Summary: 1. Don’t do cushy internship, get “real job” over summer like waiting tables 2. Don’t go right into grad school (unless dying to go into law or medicine) 3. Develop resilience (example: join military or truly live somewhere exotic for a few years) 4. Recalibrate your perspective on time. Careers require apprenticeship. You won’t be expert immediately In short: Don’t go through your 20’s “on rails” (i.e. on auto-pilot according to societal norms) or you run risk of getting stuck in career you hate You just saved 43 minutes!
I'm from an upper class family, privileged. I decided to do five years hard time in a combat trade, the infantry. One of my best life decisions aside from having three sons. I follow the blood, sweat and tears philosophy.
Someone from a blue-collar family: the issue I see is families with multi-generational university grads don’t understand the average person. To make matters worse, this same class of people get into careers with most influence over the people they least understand.
I was somewhat hesitant to put this on because I thought I was going to hear things I didn't want to hear. Ingored the advise from my parents to go to college, lived abroad from 18-21, always did physical labour during the summer and graduated later than most of my collegues. Now 29 listening to this stuff while doing a well-paying job that I love. And now I see why!
You discovered that knowledge is a fruit that must be ripened in the light of everyday life. Only then does knowledge become wisdom. In the 1800's a graduate would be considered a student until his knowledge matured in real life, usually a trip around the world. Only then would he gain the status of Scholar. For the last 75 years universities have lost sight of this.
This whole video is about removing yourself from the conditioning... It works in all ingroups. Basically, we're all hypocrites. Only... I'll respect you, if you at least admit it.
r44fje You did good to travel and see something of the world besides books before hyou went back (John Gatto would undoubtedly recommend this) but I don't understand your fears of ;what people might criticize you for? I cannot get my son to go to school for the life of me--he holds a poor paying job that allows him free time (as he works a simple crappy rote job) to learn and practice Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, Russian, German, Cebuano (a Philippine language), Korean and I thimk some others. I've lost track. The point is, is schooling really any good for anytihng? the answer is NO! What schooling is actually for is to make sure you OBEY! That is, to obey your psychopath boss (see the comment on 'semite' wall street types). If you are not 100% reliable and trustworthy to the psychopath, then you will rarely be allowed to rise to the heights as these psychopaths are deathly afraid of whistle-blowers (that's kind of like a snow-blower, for those of you who don't know). I would be interested to know more about how your work is and whether you treat your fellows as well as you can.
Charles Murray is one of the best authors I have ever read. He understands our American Culture and what works in our society in gaining a productive life in a field of your choosing. The goal should be doing something that is challenging and interesting. He has very sagacious advice for those who will listen. If you are a snowflake get a thicker skin because you will need it to survive in a much tougher world than what I grew up in. Good luck on your future endeavors !
True story. I read that the average 28 year old has a net worth of $10,000. If that is the case, it is truly cut throat out there. If you don't have thick skin, you'll never make it. Not only do you need tough skin, but you need the ability to think big and forward. What he is saying is that you need both to do well in your 30s and 40s. You cannot learn a way of thought or cognitive ability in the atmosphere of academia. Basically what he is saying is have fun, smoke some weed, and think about the big things in life - there is more to meets the eye with our society and the human race. ;-).
+Keith Weber _One of the wisest and most intelligent men you've ever heard speak ?_ You've obviously not heard many men speak. Exactly where are you ? On the moon ?
Charles Murray comes across more intelligent than Jordan Peterson. He doesn't feel the need to dress up his language with long words and elaborate metaphors.
Wow. The whole join the military thing is exactly why I've already decided to join the military. What a trip. Charles Murray, I'm a big fan now, knowing we think alike you and I. Just as you've expressed, because of the pitiable state of being a millennial, I've resolved to purge myself of frailty.
As a lifelong lib, had always ignored Murray due the conservative praise and the librul criticisms, but hearing him actually talk, he makes a helluva lotta sense, and IMHO both sides seem to 'mischaracterize' him and his ideas.
@@geoffstemen3652 I hear 'ya about Murray, and gotta respect that. If only we could each come from that kinda genuine 'personal experience', rather than just repeating our respective dogmas and 'belief systems'. Though for the same reasons, dunno that an 'endorsement' by Sowell is all that encouraging, considering he has his own share of 'mischaracterizations' (many of 'em self-inflicted). Like many conservs, he makes sense and even has some occasionally great insight (loved his 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals')... yet unfortunately can never seem to resist swerving off into the usual sorta 'ideological' rants, about 'ebil libruls', yada-yada.
Travel is great. Civil Service is great. Spend your time to really know a country - I mean for at least 3 months to a year. And you have to work fast. Be sure you know how to get to know people quickly, and trust them quickly, understand them quickly. Spend a year or two prior to learning the language, and the culture.
Very good advice! The biggest thing I took from this is to change things up, most of us have lived very comfortable life's surrounded by people we have known for ever and have lived in the same city our whole life's. Change it up move some where foreign to you, it may be scary but that's the point to get out of your comfort zone in order to grow as a person. The military is a great way to go it will help you mature as a person and give you valuable life experience.
Agree. I joined the Army after College/Grad school. The most significant experience of my life. Ending the draft ended community in America, destroyed the unifying experience that held us together. Now we share little.
I've fucked my life up. Graduated from university aged 22, went straight to a shit office job, then aged 25 a slightly less shit office job. Now 28 realising I hate my career. Not earning enough to move out of my parents' house unless I lived in a shared place like a student.
With regards to the 3rd question from last, the one that ended with "family and faith" ... what Murray SHOULD have done is to extoll the young ADULTS to FIND BOTH. "Regardless of how faith and family will manifest themselves societally , I deeply convey to you the hope that each of you will find these two cornerstones to a happy life."
I am a big proponent of the military option being a former enlisted member of the USAF. There many amazing career field for junior officers. The level of experience and leadership after four years as a junior officer is priceless. That 50% retirement if one chooses to stay in for twenty years your is not too bad either. I know a man who retired as a senior NCO and has saved and invested his retirement check for twenty years while pursuing a lucrative career in IT. Whether you are right out of high school or college if you don't know what you want to do then join the military. I know a smart young man that just joined the USAF right out of high school and recently graduated from his technical school as an cyber security apprentice. The military is a gold mine of opportunities.
I agree to some extent, I too, loved being blind to class and other salient social dilemmas. but live long enough in a foreign culture and you learn these details as well, and one might call that the real achievement or lesson if one can overcome these prejudices .
I feel a bit sad hearing this, I had the right instincts but I let others tie me into a fixed path. I do not regret my life, but I have wasted so much of my formative years doing stuff I believed I had to I didn’t work enough on myself. Listen to Murray, he’s right
I wish Murray had asked these college students: NAME THE LAST PRESIDENT WHO HAD NOT HAD A COLLEGE DEGREE (Truman). They couldn't do it. Couldn't answer that he had wormed his way into artillery in WWI, worked as a haberdasher. Can't tell you what a "haberdasher" is. (I got a 66 on the test.) I am the product of a working class Dad. I got to go to college. After sailing in the merchant marine I worked in management in a factory. I taught MS/HS to these kinds of you young adults).
Interesting video. A few weeks ago it dawned on me that the issue is people who least understand normal people are the same ones in positions with the most impact on normal people. Those are people are ones whose grandparents went to universities.
Wow... My fucking score was a 65. I'm the least privileged. Holy shit. I was honestly thinking, I'd land around 15. Bummer? But I'm white? Where's my privilege? At least I know my life can't get much worse. What a relief! As an atheist, I find this man a blessing. Now I'm curious how this was configured.
I never really thought about it but I should think about going to Thailand to learn MuayThai. That would be different and would probably be very fulfilling down the line.
Cebu in the Philippines is what I chose. And it was the greatest decision of my life. Get out of you safe zone and you will grow as a human in more ways than you could even imagine!
In the 1800's it was a university graduate would always be a student until returning from an adventure like described here. At that time the usual adventure was a trip around the world on sailing vessels. Only then could you successfully evaluate the effect of your decisions.
Those who have not done something similar give rise to Albert Einstein declaring it is a form of madness when educated men do the same thing in the same manner while expecting a radically different result. The image of theory blinds them tom the results.
I'm 27 and I went to university (did English) after school then stuck in the real world, working minimum wage jobs, aimlessly, I wonder if Charles would say there is any hope for me.
I disagree about university. The average IQ of people at university in the 1950's was 112, in the 1980's it was 108 , now it is 100 .... Literally the AVERAGE person goes to college now. We have a lot of dumb people in positions of power through nepotism or useless government action.
Anything that they "choose" is going to keep them in the bubble and perpetuate the class divide. Best thing they can do to become resilient? Have their family and friends disown them so they are truly on their own. Become disabled so they no longer qualify for the job market and must become part of the underclass. Face cancer, autism, a sleep disorder, or mental illness. Marry someone in one of the above situations or from a lower-class family. Unfortunately, anything else is likely to be too cushy to teach them about reality.
Nice lecture. Wish there was some more data comparing different paths in the 20s. Will I be more successful or just more happy if I was to follow this?
Used to recruit college students for a summer internship. It’s 100% true…classmates who took simple jobs during college had worse outcomes after graduation than those who took on a challenging, unrelated job while in college.
At 10:35 "For people who have been encased in the upper middle class bubble, there is an assumption that the great mass of the population out there really does stupid things and needs help in being nudged in the right direction" In Coming Apart, Murray has stated that he feels that the upper class should broadcast their values of intact families, pursuit of education, and thin-ness to the lower classes. So which is it?
Not to ...cause conflict here, but this is an equivocation fallacy. I know it sucks to be told this, by someone who scored a 65... but... ya know... Since when did anyone enjoy inconvenient facts?
Born and raised working class, single parent, we lived off the social system, and I achieved some upward mobility via the fine American College institutions to a moderately admirable career and I can say objectively that the upper class does know some critical things that the working class doesn’t-for example, that diabetes is often a choice (produce is the cheapest thing in the store) and so is taking out stupid dumb amounts of consumer debt on pickup trucks and other conspicuous auto toys, like more than an undergraduate degrees worth of auto debt. Wealthy people tend to keep or make wealth for a good reason-trust me, I have witnessed both sides-and I bet it has more to do with genetics than we want to admit unfortunately. Like bro, people I grew up with think they are going to jog away their fat rolls while they drink two liters daily-that shit doesn’t make sense from a thermodynamics perspective if you look at the calories that you can possibly burn by running at moderate intensity for an hour.
32:39 ... feminist haircut, giant hoop earrings, culturally male attire...asks one of the greatest socio-economic minds alive a question she could have got an answer two with a 2 second Google question. Are they even trying anymore?
In other words, he is saying do not go to college unless you have the GI Bill - the whole system is a sham and acts as nothing but a sieve. He was being polite at the end of the lecture. What he meant to say was, "you made a mistake and took the wrong path in life. You are shit out of luck." And yes, I have a college degree - a STEM degree at that.
Most of today's journalists have attended ivy league schools. That reflects in the issues on which they report. They rarely report on whats happening in Middle America.
As a conservative student in a university I felt I could not share my views with my classmates because many of them were super woke, I am not sure how some of them even got into college. The Math and Engineering school still had normal students who would seek truth in situations and not try and make it fit their agenda. Avoid the humanities
that's so true. i'm happy my dad taught me basically the same things. (except the faith stuff... murray seems to have made the argument that religion makes you feel good, therefore you should be religious. i don't like this william-jamesian way of truth-seeking. i have a more old fashioned approach when it comes to finding out what is true.)
America was a better place when it was religious. It had a moral compass and people had a purpose. Today they sit around playing warcraft and call of duty and cry about their support of Bernie Bernie.
bighands69 christianity is one of the principle sources of stupidity in the US. christians may have a moral compass, but it points in the wrong direction. i have one, too, and it's calibrated by evidence and arguments that i'm willing to challenge and improve. either christianity is true or it's not. all the evidence supports the idea that christianity is just another religion. how can anyone believe that the bible is a divinely inspired book if it's trivially easy to improve it?
+Here0s0Johnny The bible is human words but the actual philosophy stated in the bible hold truth to human emotions. Love and respect are some of the greatest human emotions. When Jesus was referring to the kingdom within thy self he was talking of an ancient philosophy of Introspection.
This man supports a Univ Basic Income (in later videos) but thinks that "Brave New World" for 20's playing video games is deleterious to "community" ... and in no sense does Murray mention the "inverse" to challenging yourselves by traveling to exotic locations. Which is it? UBI or working class? Or is the "development of resilience" only attainable by those who have the moxie to go beyond their sociological constraints? (Take the 2 characters in "Good Will Hunting" ...)
In another speech, one of Charles Murray's solutions to society "coming apart" was for the elite to preach what they practice. However, in this speech he calls Bloomsberg a snob/condescending for trying to ban super large drinks. Surely Bloomsberg was merely preaching what he practices.
As a libertarian, Murray argues that the preaching should take place through cultural influence rather than legislation. This does conflict, however, with his lament in this speech that the elite control the media.
I live and work with the lower classes of people while i get a cs degree. I also grew up in that class, tho i got into a fancy highschool for free and went onto college so have lots of contact with the Belgian fairy craft beer types. The lower classes really are just stupid and need to be protected from themselves. Illigalizing barely edible psuedo-poison like softdrinks or highly manufactured foods would make their lives better. Thats not to say the upper classes are capable of properly leading even themselves let alone the lower classes
Bruh, the produce section is the cheapest section full of the most nutrient dense food. Turkey and chicken the leanest of the meat and the cheapest meat. Eggs are cheap as well. The middle sections with the highly processed fake food costs the most! The US, where the poor people are fat. We are a joke from the perspective of the third world. We don’t struggle with finances, we struggle with restraint. Why? What is the real problem? It’s not a problem of availability or access for most Americans. Perhaps it’s the exact opposite-unfettered access to poor choices!
Some of what he is saying is good and wise, but there’s just as much danger following his advice as anyone else’s. I also feel that there are several impractical things that he is suggesting people do. Things like moving to another country and working a job there for a few years instead of going to college is predicated on having funds and means to set the oneself up ... it might be good for you, but could just as easily backfire. Same with joining the military. The spirit of what he’s saying is good, but the reality and practicality of what he suggests is highly suspect to me.
Despite what Bloomberg might have wanted to do regarding regulating super-sized sodas, tell me why wanting to do that was, in spirt at least, fundamentally wrong? And now, in a post-Trump-as-president world, it would seem even fewer would agree with what has been supported by data (obesity drivers, climate change), sometimes repeatedly, to be correct.
Hmm, recommending graduates serve in the military for a couple years after college to build up resiliency is rather misplaced given the last two wars into which we have been misguided. How about kids join the peace corps?
Is it just me but all the women in the audience sound like preadolescents. Am I so used to listening to women over thirty/forty and it's been a long time since I mixed with women in their twenties and don't have a standard to how they should sound. Or are these women adopting a girl voice to emphasise a youthful femininity which society generally attempts to protect and lowers the bar in terms of personal responsibility.
Telling college students NOT to get an Internship during college is possibly the most out of touch and idiotic statement Charles Murray has made in his life. I do NOT hire new employees who have NOT done an internship related to their major. Its a really bad sign if the person was so damn lazy he decided NOT to do an internship.
He did not say “don’t do internships”. He says try and do internships or paid work which allows you to experience a new dimension that you are not already exposed to.
He did not say “don’t do internships”. He says try and do internships or paid work which allows you to experience a new dimension that you are not already exposed to.
Let me tell you what, I was drilled by my parents you have to go to college, to satisfy them I did... graduated with a degree in finance I was lucky enough for them to pay for it. Years later I work as a server in a restaurant and make more than 90℅ of my friends that graduated college with a bachelor's degree. DO NOT GET BURIED IN $100,000+ IN STUDENT LOANS... today education does not guarantee jobs, especially jobs that pay well... I don't have all the answers, I'm a restaurant server for God's sake... but listen to men like Charles Murray who are not afraid to talk about controversial subjects and are 100℅ genuine.
Murray is a modern genius. It takes a genius to discover another genius' creation. He speaks in subtleties, because if he revealed the truth he learned in the early 90s, his career would be over and he'd be buried 6 foot under. He sticks to scientific studies and facts in order to halfway defend himself. If he stuck his neck out there, it'd get chopped off. People don't like being called stupid, but it's a fact of life that most of us are "stupid". It's better if he continues to do what he is doing because it makes people start asking questions and looking at themselves. Essentially our entire world has become (intentionally or unintentionally) a production line for geniuses and everyone including you and me are just a cog helping to drive the machine. To argue otherwise is to say the human species is still very primitive. I argue against that. In order to progress the human species, we need more Newtons, Einsteins, etc. It takes a lifetime for a genius to understand another genius' work, therefore we need many geniuses working on the important things. How do we get more geniuses? Huge population with institutions in place to filter out the idiots. Some of the filters including SAT, ACT testing, college itself, graduate school attendance, etc. If they put as much energy into tracking terrorists, I'd bet they are also just as interested in tracking the progress of children and young adults who show much promise.
Why don't you check your privilege like the elite demand of us? Oh yeah! That's right... You're superior. Well.. at least you claim it. Your actions say you don't, though. Nice try. Basically you're saying, "ignore all this buzz and keep on doubling down on people you disagree with. Keep on shouting insults and calling people names that have nothing to do with anything... Make fits at all possible. Twist people's words and shift the blame. Force people to prove their innocence, because I don't like hearing this." Well... the feminists were right about one thing: "Equality feels like oppression to the privileged." Now you're gonna get mad that I turned your game on you. Irony? I don't care.
the whole point of privilidged background t5he african american woman talked about is from a priviledge familyshes basically saying minoroties cant do it is the whole point mr murray was talking about
Summary:
1. Don’t do cushy internship, get “real job” over summer like waiting tables
2. Don’t go right into grad school (unless dying to go into law or medicine)
3. Develop resilience (example: join military or truly live somewhere exotic for a few years)
4. Recalibrate your perspective on time. Careers require apprenticeship. You won’t be expert immediately
In short: Don’t go through your 20’s “on rails” (i.e. on auto-pilot according to societal norms) or you run risk of getting stuck in career you hate
You just saved 43 minutes!
...or 43 years.
Thank you so much
Thanks.
Thank you!
thank you so much!
I'm from an upper class family, privileged. I decided to do five years hard time in a combat trade, the infantry. One of my best life decisions aside from having three sons. I follow the blood, sweat and tears philosophy.
One of my children went into the service to, shall we say, get out of town for awhile. His time at war made him a different person.
@@JRobbySh good or bad way?
Someone from a blue-collar family: the issue I see is families with multi-generational university grads don’t understand the average person. To make matters worse, this same class of people get into careers with most influence over the people they least understand.
1:37 Murray starts speaking
I was somewhat hesitant to put this on because I thought I was going to hear things I didn't want to hear. Ingored the advise from my parents to go to college, lived abroad from 18-21, always did physical labour during the summer and graduated later than most of my collegues. Now 29 listening to this stuff while doing a well-paying job that I love. And now I see why!
What job do you do?
Good for you, that was a bold move!
You discovered that knowledge is a fruit that must be ripened in the light of everyday life. Only then does knowledge become wisdom. In the 1800's a graduate would be considered a student until his knowledge matured in real life, usually a trip around the world. Only then would he gain the status of Scholar. For the last 75 years universities have lost sight of this.
This whole video is about removing yourself from the conditioning... It works in all ingroups. Basically, we're all hypocrites. Only... I'll respect you, if you at least admit it.
r44fje
You did good to travel and see something of the world besides books before hyou went back (John Gatto would undoubtedly recommend this) but I don't understand your fears of ;what people might criticize you for? I cannot get my son to go to school for the life of me--he holds a poor paying job that allows him free time (as he works a simple crappy rote job) to learn and practice Japanese, Chinese, Spanish, Russian, German, Cebuano (a Philippine language), Korean and I thimk some others. I've lost track. The point is, is schooling really any good for anytihng? the answer is NO! What schooling is actually for is to make sure you OBEY! That is, to obey your psychopath boss (see the comment on 'semite' wall street types). If you are not 100% reliable and trustworthy to the psychopath, then you will rarely be allowed to rise to the heights as these psychopaths are deathly afraid of whistle-blowers (that's kind of like a snow-blower, for those of you who don't know). I would be interested to know more about how your work is and whether you treat your fellows as well as you can.
Murray is an American treasure.
Like Murray, I've always had a hole in my life from not serving in the military. Then again, Iraq and Afghanistan have been huge mistakes.
Not mistakes, war crimes
Our military is the proxy arm of Israel's military. No more wars for Israel!
@@TRUTHbomb2.0 based and true
Charles Murray is one of the best authors I have ever read. He understands our American Culture and what works in our society in gaining a productive life in a field of your choosing. The goal should be doing something that is challenging and interesting. He has very sagacious advice for those who will listen. If you are a snowflake get a thicker skin because you will need it to survive in a much tougher world than what I grew up in. Good luck on your future endeavors !
True story. I read that the average 28 year old has a net worth of $10,000. If that is the case, it is truly cut throat out there. If you don't have thick skin, you'll never make it. Not only do you need tough skin, but you need the ability to think big and forward. What he is saying is that you need both to do well in your 30s and 40s. You cannot learn a way of thought or cognitive ability in the atmosphere of academia. Basically what he is saying is have fun, smoke some weed, and think about the big things in life - there is more to meets the eye with our society and the human race. ;-).
murray is one of the wisest and most intelligent men i've ever heard speak
Keith Weber Explains why America is falling apart. This speech was just a serenade to see it out.
+Keith Weber _One of the wisest and most intelligent men you've ever heard speak ?_ You've obviously not heard many men speak. Exactly where are you ? On the moon ?
Got a chip on your shoulder, don't you boy?
Agree. You can also add Jordan Peterson
Charles Murray comes across more intelligent than Jordan Peterson. He doesn't feel the need to dress up his language with long words and elaborate metaphors.
Wow. The whole join the military thing is exactly why I've already decided to join the military. What a trip. Charles Murray, I'm a big fan now, knowing we think alike you and I. Just as you've expressed, because of the pitiable state of being a millennial, I've resolved to purge myself of frailty.
As a lifelong lib, had always ignored Murray due the conservative praise and the librul criticisms, but hearing him actually talk, he makes a helluva lotta sense, and IMHO both sides seem to 'mischaracterize' him and his ideas.
Mateo read all of his books.
Sent here by Thomas Sowell, who says as much about his mischaracterization.
Mateo - almost like he has his own beliefs developed in his own life.
@@geoffstemen3652 I hear 'ya about Murray, and gotta respect that. If only we could each come from that kinda genuine 'personal experience', rather than just repeating our respective dogmas and 'belief systems'.
Though for the same reasons, dunno that an 'endorsement' by Sowell is all that encouraging, considering he has his own share of 'mischaracterizations' (many of 'em self-inflicted). Like many conservs, he makes sense and even has some occasionally great insight (loved his 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals')... yet unfortunately can never seem to resist swerving off into the usual sorta 'ideological' rants, about 'ebil libruls', yada-yada.
Travel is great. Civil Service is great. Spend your time to really know a country - I mean for at least 3 months to a year. And you have to work fast. Be sure you know how to get to know people quickly, and trust them quickly, understand them quickly. Spend a year or two prior to learning the language, and the culture.
Charles Murray is a very wise man.
Very good advice! The biggest thing I took from this is to change things up, most of us have lived very comfortable life's surrounded by people we have known for ever and have lived in the same city our whole life's. Change it up move some where foreign to you, it may be scary but that's the point to get out of your comfort zone in order to grow as a person. The military is a great way to go it will help you mature as a person and give you valuable life experience.
Wow . . . I never leave comments but I must. This is prob the one time a young person should ever take someone's advice. Brilliant talk.
Agree. I joined the Army after College/Grad school. The most significant experience of my life. Ending the draft ended community in America, destroyed the unifying experience that held us together. Now we share little.
I've fucked my life up. Graduated from university aged 22, went straight to a shit office job, then aged 25 a slightly less shit office job. Now 28 realising I hate my career. Not earning enough to move out of my parents' house unless I lived in a shared place like a student.
This man speaks truth.. I wish I would have been given this advice.
you got it now - make the most of it
I was given this advice and followed it. This video made sense of it.
With regards to the 3rd question from last, the one that ended with "family and faith" ... what Murray SHOULD have done is to extoll the young ADULTS to FIND BOTH. "Regardless of how faith and family will manifest themselves societally , I deeply convey to you the hope that each of you will find these two cornerstones to a happy life."
I am a big proponent of the military option being a former enlisted member of the USAF. There many amazing career field for junior officers. The level of experience and leadership after four years as a junior officer is priceless. That 50% retirement if one chooses to stay in for twenty years your is not too bad either. I know a man who retired as a senior NCO and has saved and invested his retirement check for twenty years while pursuing a lucrative career in IT. Whether you are right out of high school or college if you don't know what you want to do then join the military. I know a smart young man that just joined the USAF right out of high school and recently graduated from his technical school as an cyber security apprentice. The military is a gold mine of opportunities.
is it strange that it bothers me that the logos in the background only align on one side?
I had the opposite experience, walking down the street not understanding social cues or language, I found it liberating.
I agree to some extent, I too, loved being blind to class and other salient social dilemmas. but live long enough in a foreign culture and you learn these details as well, and one might call that the real achievement or lesson if one can overcome these prejudices .
Love this guy.
Those last two questions seemed particularly difficult to reconcile with his viewpoint.
kinda wanna be a yacht salesman now. thanks charles.
Then go and find a job in the yacht sales industry.
Here Have an Application.
Have you ever thought about getting into Antiques?
I feel a bit sad hearing this, I had the right instincts but I let others tie me into a fixed path.
I do not regret my life, but I have wasted so much of my formative years doing stuff I believed I had to I didn’t work enough on myself.
Listen to Murray, he’s right
I wish Murray had asked these college students: NAME THE LAST PRESIDENT WHO HAD NOT HAD A COLLEGE DEGREE (Truman). They couldn't do it. Couldn't answer that he had wormed his way into artillery in WWI, worked as a haberdasher. Can't tell you what a "haberdasher" is. (I got a 66 on the test.) I am the product of a working class Dad. I got to go to college. After sailing in the merchant marine I worked in management in a factory. I taught MS/HS to these kinds of you young adults).
Every parent should watch this! If I ever have kids- this is going to be the mantra!
About 10% will listen to him.
Interesting video. A few weeks ago it dawned on me that the issue is people who least understand normal people are the same ones in positions with the most impact on normal people. Those are people are ones whose grandparents went to universities.
Wow... My fucking score was a 65. I'm the least privileged. Holy shit. I was honestly thinking, I'd land around 15. Bummer?
But I'm white? Where's my privilege?
At least I know my life can't get much worse. What a relief!
As an atheist, I find this man a blessing.
Now I'm curious how this was configured.
Victims of an overly happy childhood!!!
I never really thought about it but I should think about going to Thailand to learn MuayThai.
That would be different and would probably be very fulfilling down the line.
Okinawa is also a Probability. Keep it in Mind.
Cebu in the Philippines is what I chose. And it was the greatest decision of my life. Get out of you safe zone and you will grow as a human in more ways than you could even imagine!
In the 1800's it was a university graduate would always be a student until returning from an adventure like described here. At that time the usual adventure was a trip around the world on sailing vessels. Only then could you successfully evaluate the effect of your decisions.
As long as Andy Jackson's face continues to be on them,I'll be happy with spending them.
Great questions.
Those who have not done something similar give rise to Albert Einstein declaring it is a form of madness when educated men do the same thing in the same manner while expecting a radically different result. The image of theory blinds them tom the results.
Great video, but the audio volume is POOR. I've got it cranked up and he's still hard to hear.
I'm 27 and I went to university (did English) after school then stuck in the real world, working minimum wage jobs, aimlessly, I wonder if Charles would say there is any hope for me.
Worth listening to.
I disagree about university. The average IQ of people at university in the 1950's was 112, in the 1980's it was 108 , now it is 100 .... Literally the AVERAGE person goes to college now. We have a lot of dumb people in positions of power through nepotism or useless government action.
A lot of people at school in the ‘50s were legacy people. They profited by having had a better secondary schooling.
I'm thinking Murray read Robert Greene's Mastery.
Anything that they "choose" is going to keep them in the bubble and perpetuate the class divide. Best thing they can do to become resilient? Have their family and friends disown them so they are truly on their own. Become disabled so they no longer qualify for the job market and must become part of the underclass. Face cancer, autism, a sleep disorder, or mental illness. Marry someone in one of the above situations or from a lower-class family. Unfortunately, anything else is likely to be too cushy to teach them about reality.
Nice lecture. Wish there was some more data comparing different paths in the 20s. Will I be more successful or just more happy if I was to follow this?
Used to recruit college students for a summer internship. It’s 100% true…classmates who took simple jobs during college had worse outcomes after graduation than those who took on a challenging, unrelated job while in college.
Social constructionists hate him!
Thai street food is the greatest food on the planet IMO. Also, Hong Kong street food is amazing too! Coming from an American.
23:45 And now for something completely different.
At 10:35 "For people who have been encased in the upper middle class bubble, there is an assumption that the great mass of the population out there really does stupid things and needs help in being nudged in the right direction"
In Coming Apart, Murray has stated that he feels that the upper class should broadcast their values of intact families, pursuit of education, and thin-ness to the lower classes.
So which is it?
Not to ...cause conflict here, but this is an equivocation fallacy. I know it sucks to be told this, by someone who scored a 65... but... ya know... Since when did anyone enjoy inconvenient facts?
Not incompatible.Many in the elite think that the great mass of people are naturally fat and stupid.
Born and raised working class, single parent, we lived off the social system, and I achieved some upward mobility via the fine American College institutions to a moderately admirable career and I can say objectively that the upper class does know some critical things that the working class doesn’t-for example, that diabetes is often a choice (produce is the cheapest thing in the store) and so is taking out stupid dumb amounts of consumer debt on pickup trucks and other conspicuous auto toys, like more than an undergraduate degrees worth of auto debt. Wealthy people tend to keep or make wealth for a good reason-trust me, I have witnessed both sides-and I bet it has more to do with genetics than we want to admit unfortunately. Like bro, people I grew up with think they are going to jog away their fat rolls while they drink two liters daily-that shit doesn’t make sense from a thermodynamics perspective if you look at the calories that you can possibly burn by running at moderate intensity for an hour.
32:39 ... feminist haircut, giant hoop earrings, culturally male attire...asks one of the greatest socio-economic minds alive a question she could have got an answer two with a 2 second Google question. Are they even trying anymore?
In other words, he is saying do not go to college unless you have the GI Bill - the whole system is a sham and acts as nothing but a sieve. He was being polite at the end of the lecture. What he meant to say was, "you made a mistake and took the wrong path in life. You are shit out of luck." And yes, I have a college degree - a STEM degree at that.
I wish I saw this before I went to college.
I read 4 chapters of coming apart before giving up on it. The book was interesting but to dry for my taste.
38:58 student debt and its limitations
Lmao did the joker movie take notes from Charles cause the themes of that movie and Charles view of the upperclass are way to similar
Most of today's journalists have attended ivy league schools. That reflects in the issues on which they report. They rarely report on whats happening in Middle America.
Pearls of wisdom but probably wasted on most 20 year olds who know everything. I learned the hard way too!
As a conservative student in a university I felt I could not share my views with my classmates because many of them were super woke, I am not sure how some of them even got into college. The Math and Engineering school still had normal students who would seek truth in situations and not try and make it fit their agenda. Avoid the humanities
We must introduce craft beers to the under-priviledged!
No better experience than being an American Naval Officer
36:21 20th century was an age of adolescence for intellectuals
About debt: GET A GOOD JOB! Volunteer for 3 years in a soup kitchen or read to poor inner city children.
I've spent time looking over these comments, unfortunately you are the problem he is trying to address and you won't listen.
Are you talking about how to spend your twenties in the age of the coronavirus or before the coronavirus occurred.
This is exactly what's wrong with America, we have an ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE telling people how to live.
that's so true. i'm happy my dad taught me basically the same things.
(except the faith stuff... murray seems to have made the argument that religion makes you feel good, therefore you should be religious. i don't like this william-jamesian way of truth-seeking. i have a more old fashioned approach when it comes to finding out what is true.)
America was a better place when it was religious. It had a moral compass and people had a purpose.
Today they sit around playing warcraft and call of duty and cry about their support of Bernie Bernie.
bighands69
christianity is one of the principle sources of stupidity in the US. christians may have a moral compass, but it points in the wrong direction. i have one, too, and it's calibrated by evidence and arguments that i'm willing to challenge and improve.
either christianity is true or it's not. all the evidence supports the idea that christianity is just another religion.
how can anyone believe that the bible is a divinely inspired book if it's trivially easy to improve it?
Here0s0Johnny seem like you have committed a great error.
+Flipver0 what?
+Here0s0Johnny
The bible is human words but the actual philosophy stated in the bible hold truth to human emotions. Love and respect are some of the greatest human emotions.
When Jesus was referring to the kingdom within thy self he was talking of an ancient philosophy of Introspection.
This man supports a Univ Basic Income (in later videos) but thinks that "Brave New World" for 20's playing video games is deleterious to "community" ... and in no sense does Murray mention the "inverse" to challenging yourselves by traveling to exotic locations. Which is it? UBI or working class? Or is the "development of resilience" only attainable by those who have the moxie to go beyond their sociological constraints? (Take the 2 characters in "Good Will Hunting" ...)
In another speech, one of Charles Murray's solutions to society "coming apart" was for the elite to preach what they practice. However, in this speech he calls Bloomsberg a snob/condescending for trying to ban super large drinks. Surely Bloomsberg was merely preaching what he practices.
This. Is. Autism!
As a libertarian, Murray argues that the preaching should take place through cultural influence rather than legislation. This does conflict, however, with his lament in this speech that the elite control the media.
Murray was asking for the elite to get in touch with the values of their own grandfathers.
he is so smart that i sometimes fail to understand his point.
I live and work with the lower classes of people while i get a cs degree. I also grew up in that class, tho i got into a fancy highschool for free and went onto college so have lots of contact with the Belgian fairy craft beer types. The lower classes really are just stupid and need to be protected from themselves. Illigalizing barely edible psuedo-poison like softdrinks or highly manufactured foods would make their lives better. Thats not to say the upper classes are capable of properly leading even themselves let alone the lower classes
Very sound man very very sound man.Wish he was in my family.MMnnnnnn.
Is this worth seeing? Sumary?
Let's make more healthy, nutritious foods more available to everyone.
Bruh, the produce section is the cheapest section full of the most nutrient dense food. Turkey and chicken the leanest of the meat and the cheapest meat. Eggs are cheap as well. The middle sections with the highly processed fake food costs the most! The US, where the poor people are fat. We are a joke from the perspective of the third world. We don’t struggle with finances, we struggle with restraint. Why? What is the real problem? It’s not a problem of availability or access for most Americans. Perhaps it’s the exact opposite-unfettered access to poor choices!
golly these kids are soft soft soft.
That last question was pretty incisive.
Some of what he is saying is good and wise, but there’s just as much danger following his advice as anyone else’s. I also feel that there are several impractical things that he is suggesting people do. Things like moving to another country and working a job there for a few years instead of going to college is predicated on having funds and means to set the oneself up ... it might be good for you, but could just as easily backfire. Same with joining the military. The spirit of what he’s saying is good, but the reality and practicality of what he suggests is highly suspect to me.
Despite what Bloomberg might have wanted to do regarding regulating super-sized sodas, tell me why wanting to do that was, in spirt at least, fundamentally wrong? And now, in a post-Trump-as-president world, it would seem even fewer would agree with what has been supported by data (obesity drivers, climate change), sometimes repeatedly, to be correct.
Hmm, recommending graduates serve in the military for a couple years after college to build up resiliency is rather misplaced given the last two wars into which we have been misguided. How about kids join the peace corps?
Entire talk stumped with one question: debt.
Beppe this is for people who know up having the money to do so not having to worry about debt or struggle
I wish Murray did not say: "bell CURVE!"
Is it just me but all the women in the audience sound like preadolescents. Am I so used to listening to women over thirty/forty and it's been a long time since I mixed with women in their twenties and don't have a standard to how they should sound.
Or are these women adopting a girl voice to emphasise a youthful femininity which society generally attempts to protect and lowers the bar in terms of personal responsibility.
They just haven't left the protective bubble of education, it's an extended adolescence, regardless of sex.
Telling college students NOT to get an Internship during college is possibly the most out of touch and idiotic statement Charles Murray has made in his life. I do NOT hire new employees who have NOT done an internship related to their major. Its a really bad sign if the person was so damn lazy he decided NOT to do an internship.
Ok, you know the future?
He did not say “don’t do internships”. He says try and do internships or paid work which allows you to experience a new dimension that you are not already exposed to.
He did not say “don’t do internships”. He says try and do internships or paid work which allows you to experience a new dimension that you are not already exposed to.
Yes to nearly everything Dr Murray, except NO to the religion part! Plz don’t waste your energy there, we are beyond that.
This looks like a ponzi scheme
Awkward. Back to the speaker eating.
wise advice, weird orientalism aside
J.A. Strub Weird orientalism?
Get a job as a waiter instead of an internship? Join the military? Every advice he is giving, just do the opposite and your life will be much better.
Let me tell you what, I was drilled by my parents you have to go to college, to satisfy them I did... graduated with a degree in finance I was lucky enough for them to pay for it. Years later I work as a server in a restaurant and make more than 90℅ of my friends that graduated college with a bachelor's degree. DO NOT GET BURIED IN $100,000+ IN STUDENT LOANS... today education does not guarantee jobs, especially jobs that pay well... I don't have all the answers, I'm a restaurant server for God's sake... but listen to men like Charles Murray who are not afraid to talk about controversial subjects and are 100℅ genuine.
Murray is a modern genius. It takes a genius to discover another genius' creation. He speaks in subtleties, because if he revealed the truth he learned in the early 90s, his career would be over and he'd be buried 6 foot under. He sticks to scientific studies and facts in order to halfway defend himself. If he stuck his neck out there, it'd get chopped off. People don't like being called stupid, but it's a fact of life that most of us are "stupid". It's better if he continues to do what he is doing because it makes people start asking questions and looking at themselves. Essentially our entire world has become (intentionally or unintentionally) a production line for geniuses and everyone including you and me are just a cog helping to drive the machine. To argue otherwise is to say the human species is still very primitive. I argue against that. In order to progress the human species, we need more Newtons, Einsteins, etc. It takes a lifetime for a genius to understand another genius' work, therefore we need many geniuses working on the important things. How do we get more geniuses? Huge population with institutions in place to filter out the idiots. Some of the filters including SAT, ACT testing, college itself, graduate school attendance, etc. If they put as much energy into tracking terrorists, I'd bet they are also just as interested in tracking the progress of children and young adults who show much promise.
+garneroutlaw
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks, I needed the laughs. Apparently you are not acquainted with the statistics on 4-sigma IQs.
Really really simplistic evaluation of the situation.
Why don't you check your privilege like the elite demand of us? Oh yeah! That's right... You're superior. Well.. at least you claim it. Your actions say you don't, though. Nice try.
Basically you're saying, "ignore all this buzz and keep on doubling down on people you disagree with. Keep on shouting insults and calling people names that have nothing to do with anything... Make fits at all possible. Twist people's words and shift the blame. Force people to prove their innocence, because I don't like hearing this."
Well... the feminists were right about one thing: "Equality feels like oppression to the privileged."
Now you're gonna get mad that I turned your game on you. Irony? I don't care.
the black girl couldn't help it, she had to brought up white privilege to the convo
Heber Boerr She didn't mention the word white at all. Reporting this comment.
It’s true, she did NOT say “white privilege”.
LOS ANGELES LATINOS 4 TRUMP
Amazing lecturer
the whole point of privilidged background t5he african american woman talked about is from a priviledge familyshes basically saying minoroties cant do it is the whole point mr murray was talking about