Ford Model A Motor Inspection - Dropped the pan, you WON'T BELIEVE what was inside!!
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- "Operation Hooptie" 1931 Model A Ford coupe project continues! We remove the oil pan and inspect the bottom end of the motor. A "surprise" is found. We plastiguage the babbit bearings and adjust, then reassemble. Does it run? How bad is it? Paul Shinn's TH-cam channel- th-cam.com/users/paulshinn...
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Motor: noun
A machine, especially one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for some other device with moving parts.
Incorrect.... A motor does not convert its fuel in order to produce power. Hence we have electric MOTORS. An engine must take its fuel and convert it into another form of energy in order to produce its power. Hence, a steam engine, a gas engine a diesel engine. They all take fuel in one form and convert it into another in order to produce power. If it uses internal combustion it is an engine not a motor.
@@littlejohnny4759 The owner's manual calls it a "motor". So, just sayin.
My wife says to me "Let's go buy a car and get greasy," I'm jumping up right now and getting to work cause that's true love, baby.
You know the rule!!
😘
I'd know she was an imposter.
Your lucky man Paul having a partner that will help you on your projects.
The down side is, I have to help her with hers... And I hate worms!
You are indeed blessed.
Normally women are supposed to be harassing and obstructing and criticizing you while you work ...
@@mohinderkaur6671😂😂
Hence this lady is a treasure.
Well done, as usual. You're fortunate to have such a lovely helper!
Yes I am! Thanks Rick.
Yep, fer sher --- well, Kevin Brown ("Junkyard Digs") has Mook, and he has Tina. :D
Man, that sounds nice. Ole gear head here. I once upon a time had a '31' 1/4 ton 'A' pick up. I bought it from an old auto parts house in NE Jersey when I was 23 yrs. old. It was run hard and put up wet who knows how many times. The engine had be bored and the crank turned at some time. And, it always leaked oil past the rear main(those things originally had no rear main seal, as you probably know) they depended on a slinger system to get the oil back to the pan. Anyhow, by 1967, I had acquired a spare engine block, head and all. That had never been bored and the crank never turned. Lucky me! I called my dad, who had been an auto mechanic from the 'T' days, to find out how to clearance the rods and mains. He gave me a trick that was done on them long before plastigauge. I did that with the shims, put thick wall Caddy wrist pins in, with retainers. And new Perfect Circle cast iron rings of course. That engine ran so nice. Light gray exhaust pipe, which was what we used to look for in those days. AND, no more rear main oil leak. Drove that thing a lot, until I decided to move to Fl. And I sold it. Wish I brought it with me. sorry for the long post. Thanks again for your videos. And again, that 'A' engine sounded sweet.
Thanks for sharing, Bruce! Dang, you should have kept it and brought it to FL with you. Well, you can always buy another!
I have used plasticguage here in Mexico.
You and your wife make a good team. Enjoyed it very much.
Thanks Brent!
Man Paul, you and the wife work on Model A's So Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again Paul,
I look forward to your great videos on Saturday morning. That little bolt thingie to hold the oil pump in is a great timer saver. As always, you are one of, if not the best TH-camr at showing and explaining how it's done. Looking forward to your next one, whatever it is.
At 77 years old, I'm still learning so much from you.
Stay say my friend, PaulB
Thanks Paul! That little oil pump holder is pretty slick! If you call Bert's and order one, mention you saw it here, please! Steve says he will do a little something extra for people who saw it here.
I love how they didn’t need washers, it’s just the strength and thickness of the steel that keeps it from leaking. Fantastic stuff
REAL metal!
In Aviation we are taught to bend the cotter pins over the top & down. Then trim the excess ends. I also check them for wiggle & use a pliers to snug them if needed. Also stainless cotter pins are softer than the steal cotter pins. I have seen stainless wiggle, wear threw & fall out. Automotive stuff is usually low grade China. Aircraft grade cotter pins are not expensive & you get mil spec quality & cad plated corrosion resistant. The mil spec is MS24665 & army navy spec AN380. Aircraft Spruce in California sells complete assortments in kits. On use them on all my vehicles & equipment.
So wonderful to have you explain these things. My grandfather who was born in 1900 and had his own garage and loved Ford automobiles would really love to see and watch your videos. He had a two tone 31 ford like yours. Oh if I had one today and had you to educate me how to keep it care of it today. Also for my wife to work on them like yours, awesome. I’m 69 now probably won’t get one now.😢😊
My dad is 94 and has several Model As. It's never too late!!
Tell that to my better half, you would get just as far as I do. Also my dad was born in 31 too. If he was alive today, he would love to listen and watch your videos also. Just knowing that your wife and yourself love this autos as much as I do, thank you, Michael.
I do think that 1955 was a good year.😀
Paul, your videos are all full of the right details. Can’t wait to see more sorting of Athena. Great stuff !
Thank you !
Awesome, thank you!
Cool stuff! Thanks for taking us along with you!
Thanks Justin!
This video came at the perfect time! The next thing my Dad and I are planning to do as part of our own restoration is to drop the oil pan and clean that out! Now we know what to look for! Thanks again Paul for yet another great video!!
Nice! Hey Ken, please report back and let us know how it goes!
Good work Paul and Tina. Thanks for an interesting video.
I’m an 82 year old retired auto tech . The first time i saw the inside of an automobile engine was when at 5 years old watching my dad take the head off our family car ( a model A) cylinder head and saw 3 pistons on top dead center. Even then it seemed strange. It wasn’t until years later I recalled that and told him what I saw. He said the piston on the odd cylinder broke into just above the wrist pen . The bottom half with the rod still attached continued to function normal leaving the top half stuck in the carbon at the top of the cylinder. I think back at that and still wonder how a 5 year old would have noticed something wrong.
Because you have natural talent!
Thanks for going over these types of maintenance details. For some of us newbies it is a needed foundation to glean and grow from !!!
You are so welcome!
Thank you so much for making this video! I am attempting to drop the pan on my 29 fordor this weekend and this video makes it look easy.
Glad it helped!
Paul, I had to go back watch this after today’s 3/18/23 video on the Babbitt versus inserts. I’ll order the pump pin first and a gasket set. Thanks again for these videos. Enjoyed hearing “Dad” laugh at you, wish my Dad was still with me, God blessed me with a good one. Ken in KY.
Sorry about your dad. Yes, I even enjoy when he has a laugh at my expense. I cherish him while I have him! I think he secretly enjoys my failures so he can help me fix things.
Thank you for watching this? My pleasure!
Thank you for making this!
Thank you too!
Great video, thanks for sharing it and your expertise with us, take care, stay healthy and be safe.
Great video! Nice to see what a great team you and Tina make! Glad to see you getting Athena sorted right too.👍
Thanks! It's gonna be a long journey.
It will be worth it.
Just stumbled across your videos and I am glad I did. Love the experience you share and the quality of your videos is great. Always been a fan of the old "A's" and "It's"! I have a special affection these old Fords that had as big an impact on the development of what USA is as any other invention or contrivance.
Awesome, thank you!
You should always make sure the fill plug will come out before opening the drain plug. Just a little something I learned a very long time ago.
That just might be the best advice EVER! Thanks, man.
@@jeffreylee7184 because otherwise when you discover the filler plug is seized solid, the oil is drained and car is immobilized. If you pull the filler first you can always refill it like normal and drive on.
Can't get fluid to move in or out without venting the cavity.
@@timothyjamieson1282 , Logic is a beautiful thing lol
Love this Model A. It has the same color scheme as my 30 Fordoor had.
Great video, Paul and your helper.
Thanks Dennis!
I dropped the pan on a '31 Model A because the rear main was leaking badly. Interestingly I found several chunks of bent sheet metal and needed to figure out what the heck happened. They were piston expanders, placed inside the skirts of the pistons, and a couple had broken and fell out. now it was becoming a typical bottomless pit! Customer was selling it and just wanted it running enough to have a short drive to offload, the car had been a relative's old restoration and had been sitting for many years, and they weren't interested in a rebuild. I learned a lot about the model A on that job, for a car so basic, it made me rethink electrical systems for one thing, and how to start and run a car with carb mixture control in the dash.
Wow. What a mess!
@@ModelA It was just one of many cans of worms I've worked on, learning a lot in every one of them. The '31 Caddy V12 roadster though I got it running so well for the guy he let me drive it, something I don't think anyone else was ever allowed to. While not an XKE, was just as amazing to get to drive, even if it was just a short trip.
Great watching you two working together
Thanks Roger!
Tina Mammal!!! So happy you with the Paul Mammal
Quite the cool cars!!! So easy to work on!!!
Have fun guys, things like this make watching videos fun. Girls and guys working together to accomplish a gold.💖💖 we understand about the plastic Gage. No torque, specs no filter? Wow.
Thank you for another great video! I really like the detail, when you screwed all the oil pan bolts in, very nice touch of editing! :-D
I stole that from Aging Wheels.
I love all your videos! I’ll be watching them all ! Thank you for all your hard work and I just found out what a double clutch is . It’s the 1930 model A that has me learning about the mechanics of cars !
Good work, Salvador!
I love that machine. Keep those beauties alive and more mechanical vids please.
That's the plan!
So enjoy your videos....so says a man that does not own or has ever owned a Model A.....But as a "seasoned car guy" I can relate to many of the tasks and "findings"
One of my joys in watching your videos os the obvious {to me}, or not so obvious tongue-n-cheek comments. Truly I often giggle....Thanks!
As always great content, keep up the good work I've got a 30 tudor your videos are always very helpful
Thanks Steven!
I had a 1932 Ford Model B pick-up way back in the early 60's when I was a High School kid in Florida. All original except seal beam head lights. Great memories. Wish I still had it today.
That would be SWEET!
Thanks for doing this for us.
Our pleasure!
You are having just too much fun!!!
Hahaa!
Might as well call you Paul ‘Shim’! Loved you and Tina working together in the first part of the video. These cars are such fun to work on compared to the overly complex stuff of today. Keep up the amazing work man!
Shim!!! Ha ha!! Thanks, Elliott! I keep telling Tina she should just wrench on Model A's here with me and quit doing her many other TH-cam channels that aren't getting any views. But, you know what it's like trying to reason with a spouse unit.
@@ModelA I know all too well! Lol
Thank you!
Great video to watch while eating breakfast!!
Or eating lunch, or having a pop. Ha ha
Love to see it!
I really enjoyed the video Paul. It was also good to see Tina acting like a boss 😎 interesting to see the dipper tray and how it integrates into the pan.
Tina ACTING like a boss ?😀
Haha! Thanks! The dipper tray just wedges in there and is held in with those lines along the sides of the oil pan.
Thanks for the info.
just a quick tip for anybody pulling / then re installing a oil pan in the vehicle ,
take 4 bolts longer than what came out , cut the heads off , then cut a screwdriver slot in were the head was, screw them up on the pan rail , 2 on one side / 2 on the other side staggered front to rear . now you have alignment studs to keep the pan were you want it with gaskets were you want them . the bigger the pan the more you need them as a extra set of hands .
especially if your working on big motors like Macks / Cats / Cummins / ect. ect. ect.
those things get to dancing around till you get a couple bolts in and can make life miserable
should the gasket - get - away . hope this helps somebody , THE MACK GUY
Thanks Paul!
Another great video Paul, Tina is sure a great assistant to the Model A cause. Isn’t the lift a fantastic asset in making the under body work easier ,I have the same one! Keep up the good work ( information) for us model A enthusiasts. Regards from Australia 🦘🇦🇺
Thanks Russell!
You both do great to turn the bolts and plugs the right way.
When turning bolts there is the right way and there is another way. And another way. Sometimes it's however you can get it to turn.
Приятно видеть красивую пару на фоне красивого автомобиля. Не знаю, что кого больше украшает: вы машину или машина вас. Интересно увидеть коленвал Форда. У меня особый интерес: я строю реплику самолёта, летавшего поначалу на моторе от Форд А.
It's nice to see a beautiful couple on the background of a beautiful car. I don't know what adorns who more: you decorate the car or the car decorates you. It's interesting to see the Ford crankshaft. I have a special interest: I am building a replica of an airplane that first flew on a Ford A engine.
Thank you, my friend!
Henry's son, Edsel Ford in a Ford-produced monoplane powered by a Model 'T' engine. This aeroplane did fly several times but crashed and was not resurrected.
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The Ford Tri-Motor came years later.
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Mr. Stout, sent Henry Ford a letter ... "I like $3,000 to start my aircraft company ..." Henry Ford sent him the money and bankrolled his company. Later Stout aeroplane morphed into the Ford Tri-Motor through a series of earlier models.
Enjoyed your video , makes me wish I still had my 31.
Paul, thanks for the “Intro to the Model A 101”. Never seen the internals of one and know pretty much NOTHING about Model A’s. I used to do some backyard maintenance on a few cars I’ve owned, and after working underneath more then my share, I like to wear ... something to keep the crap out of my hair, whatever that suits ya. Personally, of the various fluids I hate the taste of most, is brake fluid (dot 3/4). It just seems to linger on the tongue more so than 10w-30, 90w gear lube (close second), or ATF fluid ~ prefer burnt ATF of course. (I’m guessing TYPE F isn’t something that Model A’s need). Of course, I’m sure you have your favorites too 😉. Thanks again for the inside look at your Model A. 👍
Thank you for a good video!
Enjoy each of your Ford Model A videos! 😘😀
Always interesting and cheerful.😉
Thanks Charles!
@@modeladenny1218 Thanks Denny! I keep a positive attitude towards everything, man. Going through life unhappy would just make it miserable. Some of my ex-coworkers are activists, I see how miserable they are. When I stopped working in the bay area, I noticed how much better I felt inside after being away from people like that. Now, I only hang out with the people in my small town, and noticed that I am now constantly looking at the positivity in everything. It sure is a happier existence when you aren't surrounded by negative people all the time.
@@ModelA Correct. My wife has been gone for eight months already. I keep happy when my kids stop, the few old friends stop or call, and by watching things I love on TH-cam.
When sad news comes on I change channels.
I have one brother who lives with his miseable wife in Bullhead City. They hate everyone including me.
@@modeladenny1218 Well, we love you here! So, pox on them.
Thank you Paul and Co. Cheers 🥂
Thanks Yhen!
Thanks to you guys for the information on the Marvel carb I hope there are still rebuild kits available 👍
I think so. Check with Bert's Model A Center. Tell them I sent you for a discount.
Try Renner’s
Love the video, its not often one gets to see the underside of these beauties. I especially enjoyed the pan under the rear seal and its a shame those were not optional on smal block Chevies and 302 Ford as they seem to always have rear seal problems, lol. Keep up the great work!
Thanks David!
Thanks for sharing! I look forward to your weekly presentation. You are so fortunate to have family that support you and a enviable collection of “A”s. How old were you when you began saving Model A’s?
Old enough to know better. Actually, I forget.
For a car like that, I'd definitely keep the oil pressure gauge. I just found your channel, i love it!
Welcome aboard!
Another great video! Thanks!... I don't like my moving cotter pins to wiggle (like on rods) so I use as large a pin as possible and wrap each pin leg tightly around its side of the nut to help hold it still, I also glue the pan gasket to the block with something like Permatex High Tack and just use grease between the pan and gasket so I can R&R the pan several times before having to replace the gasket.
That's a great idea. Thanks!
@@ModelA I read somewhere long ago that the connecting rod cotter pins should be as large diameter as possible and bent as tightly as possible to keep them from moving as the engine turns. Otherwise, they will fatigue and break as yours did. Made sense to me.
@@lawrencesmalley4904 That's correct. The cotter pins absolutely must not jiggle on the connecting rods.
Love the very informative vides! Tom
Thanks Tom!
Lucked out in the bottom end! When I got my A it crumbled the Babbitt within two months of me having it. Now it’s all rebuilt with inserts. Love seeing the progress of sorting this A, I hope to have my all sorted soon.
Yes! Hey John, I know how you feel. I bought a Model A about 10 years ago that had a "freshly rebuilt" motor according to the seller. It lasted a few dozen miles! I emailed the guy I bought it from and asked for the rebuilder's info. He said it was a buddy. The buddy only honed it and put 40 thou bigger pistons in it, but never did anything with the bearings. I told him the babbit splattered and all 4 rods had cracked and broken babbit. He told me "I know, it was just a matter of time before the babbit failed completely, that's why I sold it". I wish I could broadcast that jerk's name to everyone and expose him for the fraud he was, but he is no longer with us.
Nce video and a nice surprise. That Model A really does look decent. I know those headlight eyebrows are coming off but I recently put a set on my "A" with blue jewels. I have a set with blue jewels to put on the 7" running lights and a small set with red jewels for the cowl lights which are turn signal lights only.
It also has those fatter yet, side mounts which I've noticed do get in the way!
The price we pay for high class!
Over winter my son removed the right side windshield rear view mirror to install the side curtain with out a slit for the mirror, like the driver side has. He put it up for safe keeping. Months later and the mirror is still safely someplace!!!! ????
Now I have to beg someone to put on the step plates and seat belts. Being old isn't easy and finding good cheap help takes brains.
About the lovely helper comments. Mine had blonde hair. She was a great helper but didn't know the difference between a connecting rod and a tie rod.
@@jimervin1637 I wanted the large red jeweled visors but only found blue. Years ago they came in plastic in various colors and in stainless in several lengths.
I agree, they are overkill.
My A has a tiny V-8 so no hand cranking.
First video of yours I've watched! Very interesting and informative. Subscribed, I'm looking forward to checking out all of your videos.
Welcome aboard!
You were right the first time.... the oil pan is held on by SCREWS not bolts. A screw requires only one tool and is fastened by "screwing" into another piece. A bolt requires two tools and usually uses a nut (hence the second tool) in order to fasten.
That was a good informative video, thank you.
Very welcome John!
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it
The original Model T had a gravity oil distribution system. The flywheel dips below the oil level and flings oil into a receptacle in the top of the bell housing. From there it flows with gravity forward, oiling the cam bearings and the cam gear. The crank and big ends are splash lubricated via the dips in the windage tray.
I hope you get to do a video on adjusting the brakes and hand brakes, and inside the wheel adjustments/ maintenance. I am new to Model A and frankly am a bit uneasy about pulling a hub and going inside the wheel. Even with Les Andrews #1! But not with a Paul Shinn video! Lol! Thanks brother keep up the great work!
Have you seen my brake adjusting video?
@@ModelA Yes sir But I would love to see more on the inside of the wheel as My A hasnt been serviced inside the wheel for over 40 years and I would love to see your take on taking the hub off and going inside the wheel itself and what things to look for on the inside, if time ever allows! Thanks brother
@@pumpkintown OK, you got it! Thanks.
@@ModelA thanks brother!
I'm looking forward to the brake videos.
Nice to see there was nothing major wore out far as the engine goes Paul !
We'll know that for sure when we finally try to go for a drive!
Such a beautiful old Model A.Even better when ur a gearhead too.
Thank you! I'm not much of a gearhead though. I only know how to work on Model A's. When my 1998 F-150 breaks, I take it to a shop!
Oh Man, takes me right back to October when I tore my oil pan off to take a good look...
The next challenge will be mounting my oil pan in a way that makes it leak-proof!
Lovely intro :D
Just do what I did here. Doesn't leak a drop now! And, thanks! Oh, by the way... When you're ready for you-know-what, send me an email with your address, please. I presume the shipping to Germany will take a while.
@@ModelA I'll try that when I fit the oil filter.
Mail is out :)
Looks like your back may be a bit better!! That's good.
I shot this before I shot Friday's video. My back still sucks.
Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
You doing a great thorough job on how to fix this car and take care of it I appreciate this video but I cannot finish it
Cannot? Did the wife tell you to come to dinner?
Your wife doesn't mind working on cars and getting greasy?!?!?! You sir have a real keeper there.
Yep!
Love it!
I live in the rust belt way up in canada
The only cars you see here that are as clean and rust free as that one, are usually only in showrooms, the salt in the winter, eats cars pretty quickly
Thanks!
Thank you!
Awesome Videos
Glad you like them!
thank you very cool
Let the man take a NAP!
Parabéns elogiável cidadão.
Great video. As usual. I'd like to see a video on checking, and adjusting the emergency brake. All the components, hub removal and everything. My motivations are selfish, that's where I'm at with my car. 😂
Understood. Hey Jeremy, I do have a video in the works replacing the entire brake system. It's on the way, just don't know when yet.
@@ModelA as mine sits right now, I have a hup puller on the way. The lever moves, the cable moves but I still have no emergency brake.
@@JDvintagemi I use the hub "puller" that threads onto the end of the shaft that you then hit with a hammer to break it loose. Works every time! I use that tool in the upcoming video when I inspect the brakes in Athena.
I just found your channel. What a great find. Thanks for taking the extra effort to show the oil pan installation. I have subscribed and hit the like button. You two make a wonderful team.
Don't forget the Bruce stick
Model 'A's are like new puppies, they leave puddles where ever they park. Have a blessed Memorial Day. Thank a vet. Prade day. [What covid]
Thanks Craig
like it the "BOSS" is cracking the whip nap times over lol
Hahaa Yes.
Th oil just looks like most motor oil before the interdiction of PCV systems on engines.
That's a beautiful A.
Thanks!
Sleepin' in style 6ft in the air
So the dog couldn't lick me and wake me up.
Very neat Paul, once again most kind of you for sharing it with us, blessings to you and your love ones, from the endless summer paradise Puerto Rico Jesus Torres
Screw is the proper term. A bolt is a threaded fastener intended to use by the application of torque to the head.
A bolt is a fastener where torque is applied to a nut.
More specifically a hex head cap screw.
Good to know. Thanks!
Thankyou
i think this 100 yo car can live for extra 100 years with that oil change lol
Yep!
Great to see you using full synthetic 10/30 oil..it is 2021 afterall.....some vintage car guys want to use the oil they used back in the day which is pretty stupid in my opinion...
Agreed
To heck with the scrubbing, I'm lazy get Citrus Stove cleaner or power purple! And hit it with the pressure washer! Haha
Nice car. I like it!
Thanks!
I haven't done that yet like you just a few puts around to keep things lubed I ,have a 29 A 4door
I'm a former tech writer for Outboard Marine Corporation. We called most all of our threaded fasteners screws. Whether they were slotted or hex head when writing repair or installation manuals. So, calling bolts screws isn't a problem.
Awesome! Thanks.
This is the first time I’ve seen your videos. It won’t be the last. Nice to see car owners working on their own cars. I don’t know much about these cars. Just a few questions though...1) were there no oil filters or filter elements on those engines? 2) What was that small square metal tray for...the one you had to remove? A drip pan? 3) do you have an GM alternator on the car? Great video....I’ll be back. Thanks....Mac
Welcome, Mac! Model A's did not come with oil filters. We add them sometimes now. That tray was an aftermarket bandaid for a leaky rear main. I fixed the leak, so I'm not putting it back on. Yes, that is a GM alternator. See the previous video for explanation. Thank you!! Best regards.