A nice "show" to watch on a Sunday morning. Beautiful example of the 1965-1972 LP-700 series in 20-yard capacity. My compliments on your video documentation in showing the functions of this packer, especially the big 7" packer cylinders. The chain drive sweep blade limited this packers digestion, but anything you could get behind that packer blade was crushed but good! The fact that these digested smaller hopper loads (1 to 2 yards max) per cycle and had such a powerful packer blade made them a good performer. It looks like both of the arrester hooks are broken off of the sweep panel, which was common after years of regular use. These were supposed to lock the sweep panel at floor level, and you can see this one creeps a little as a result. Nice truck and packer combo, and a big thanks to the owner for giving you the demo. I have a Chevrolet ad circa 1968 showing almost this exact truck if anyone is interested.
+ClassicRefuseTrucks where on the sweep panel would those hooks have been mounted? and by "floor level" do you mean when the blade is at its home position, or the halfway position when it's closest to the hopper sill? I'd be interested in knowing the purpose of those hooks as well. thanks for featuring this on CRT and showing us the 1968 ad there too. any pictures you want are all yours at www.flickr.com/photos/trashman242/albums/72157664391629815
+Trashman242 Scott......@ the 1:57 & 2:34 points, stop the video & you'll see welded tabs on the bottom side of the sweep panel close to the hopper wall. There were 2 spring loaded tapered pins (cut @ approx. 45 degrees) mounted on each side of the hopper wall that would compress in as the sweeper came close to the body floor, then pop-out and catch those welded tabs. It would prevent the sweeper panel from being forced down while the packer was compressing the load.
+D Miller ...Warren, Scott...I stand corrected. This truck appears to have the correct blade stops intact. The older LP-600s had the larger hooks, this one should have flat stops, which it clearly does
Been 1991-92 since I've worked on one of these. I remember the hopper being way faster and scarier. One of the most notorious hoppers when it comes to horror stories of missing fingers and limbs. Heil Collectomatics and Leach Packmasters sat in our old yard next to these. The Leaches were the best ones to work with.
100% true. I worked with some these during High School Summers 79-82 in Northeast Ohio. The Garwood dual blade and Heil Lift Bucket were no match for the Leach Packmaster. The Leach Packmaster 2R was the Godzilla of our trucks and eventually all the units ended up being replaced with this model except for one old Packmaster from about 72. I agree about the Garwood, remember hating to have to work on it.
I recall one like this when I was a child.. I was always fascinated by the rotating sweep panel. it went MUCH faster than this one did. This was in the mid-1970's or so. Also..a few years LATER..IO saw a PAK_MOR truck with this EXACT same mechanism...1981 or so.. I also had the engine speed up working..
Very nice! Awesome of this guy to show you how everything works. That gear box was fascinating to see, especially as I fancy the engineering on both old and modern refuse trucks. Thanks for sharing this awesome piece of history with us!
Wow. Lucky that guy was nice enough to do a demo for you and not think you were up to something. Also nice to hear you talk to a driver on this channel after 9 years lol. A truly rare find indeed.
Wow! That's Epic! I've remember seeing a Heil Collectomatic in action when I was a kid, but never seen a Garwood in person( Glad you were able to get close up detail of this packer in action!
I've seen the pictures and now I've seen the video. Wow it's damn awesome that he got this thing running for you, too bad if you discovered this classic and the owner told you to piss off! haha Neat seeing the chains in operation, just like a gear system, top set runs quick off the motor and the lower set a little slower. Over 40 years old, it still exists AND it actually still works :S I could hear the creaking when it was packing and I think I heard him say it was pretty loaded, makes me wonder how old some of the rubbish is in the body! Who knows how many classics like this are sitting out the back of random properties doing whatever.
Back in the 1980's my first trash truck was a 1974 Ford LN 700 with a Garwood LP-716. The truck was great for residential trash pickup,but eventually moved on to a Mack with a Pak-Mor I also had a Dempster Ranger on a IH CO 1950B
No unfortunately in 1995 we were forced out as the local landfill closed and we were forced to haul about 50 miles further to a commercial landfill--so eventually couldn't compete with BFI and Waste Management so we sold out We were in business from 1970-1995
I had a LP-716 worked the same way--broke the chain a few times-- by the time I was done with mine I had about 2 feet of masterlinks in the chain, but overall it was a good residential unit. Was on a Ford LN700 gas job. that was 25 years ago
My dad used to have a garwood.the truck brand .was a white. It was cool.it had a dump box.you could crush furniture. It took some work.they were fast. I love Therese old videos. Joe siwek.mpls.mn
why does he stopped the sweeper blade half way around? anytime i've seen these run the operator just runs the sweep all the way around as the compactor blade opens.
The ONLY issue I saw..was there was no "sped up" of the engine, when the packer was engaged. it should speed up considerably, as soon as the sweep panel begins to rotate. Probably a bad kick solenoid or linkage or something like that..
The city of Scarborough, Ontario, Canada used these trucks ( or similar) in the early 80's. They were fun to watch! I wonder if you looked up old city archives if you could find any pics?
Great find!! How'd you discover this old thing?? That's awesome that the owner was willing to fire it up for you. The gear shot was interesting, never seen that before and as a matter of fact, Thursday was the first time I discovered that you could open up that wall and see the mechanisms and gears of a RL lol What does this guy use this truck for? Truck looked like it was pretty full so I'm curious how often it's used. Awesome to see how the RL packer has developed from this into the modern day design. From the looks of it, seems like the modern day packer is just this design but put into one motion instead of two parts. That's really neat. Happen to know what became of Garwood over the years? Impressive truck to say the least, I'm curious how many trucks could survive this long if it weren't for air quality control and other regulations that were implemented over time... Nice work Scott!
+WMmaster626 I was talking to a local business owner trying to gain permission to film one of his trucks. while he wasn't interested, he did know of this much older truck in town and pointed me in the right direction to see it. if you ever get a chance to open either side of a Heil 5000 rear loader, I encourage you to do that as the swing link system can be understood better that way. other makes like Leach have the hydraulics up above the blade, so not much to open and be revealed on the sides of those. heck, I think there's a picture of a Gar Wood's LP-900 or Heil 5000's side "workings" on CRT. and that's where I'd also direct you to go to learn what became of Gar Wood :) C'mon Aaron, you've been around us for awhile! you should know this...here, I'll get ya started: www.classicrefusetrucks.com/albums/GW/GW.html He uses this for miscellaneous trash that's generated on his property: large branches, bigger cardboard boxes, light construction debris, whatever he doesn't feel like putting out at the curb. thanks for your comment!
Trashman 242, Would you mind if I pass this video link along to 2 other trucking groups I belong to ?? I know some of the older members would like to see it. I'll list you as the poster. Thanks, & I'll wait for a reply. Warren S.
Oh my God Scott, this truck is just amazing! A 1972 Chevy C60 Garwood rear loader ... wow! Just amazing that this old girl is still running! What do you mean when you say overboard? Does this truck have an automatic or manual transmission? What is the capacity of the body?
+GarbageSean Overbored; the engine block cylinders have been bored by a machine shop to an increased size. This is done during an engine rebuild to restore the surface of the bore and remove wear and damage. The result is an an engine displacement slightly larger than the original 396 cubic inches.
+GarbageSean and the body capacity is 20 yards, just as a Gar Wood LP-716 would be 16 yard and LP-725 would be 25 cubic yards. and 6 speed auto trans. I should confirm that I was informed it ran on a 396. wikipedia says that by 1970 the 402 was introduced, and that was basically a 396 bored out to be 6 cubic inches larger. these were even labeled "396" ...so I assume when the owner says this is a 1972 and it runs a 396, he means it runs an overbored 396 (a.k.a. 402).
Not much to say here, old and crusty and awesome. You should go back and offer up your manual labor services loading crap into the hopper in exchange for getting to go out to the dump with it.
Trashman, Thanks for sending the link for this video. She's well worn out.... the engine speed-up circuit for the pack cycle isn't working, as these pack much faster than shown. This one is unusual in that it has the 'safety-Stop' feature, where the sweep blade would stop @ the hopper edge if the outside start lever wasn't held down to that point. Most haulers didn't order that on their packers back then. There are still a few of these in operation in the country. Below are 2 links to a dude that was selling his LP 700 in Texas back in 2010. th-cam.com/video/FK7WsQwGZc0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/kXtYph6uUek/w-d-xo.html I'm sure Eric V. @ CRT would like to see this also. He worked on 'em Many yrs. ago too. Great find of a classic .......... Thanks for posting !! Warren
+D Miller you're always welcome to share the link with others, Warren, don't even have to ask. I do remember the country sanitation one...would love to confirm it's actually still being used by them or somebody else. that one sure runs faster (and must be older, since it doesn't stop at the hopper sill). thanks for the comment!
+Trashman242 The LP-700had an optional "deadman control" cam wheel available as an option from the beginning, but most of the earlier models didn't seem to have them. This one obviously does. By the time of the LP-700-9, it may have become mandatory. By the 1980s, all refuse trucks were required to have the blade stop approximately 12" from the sill. This was a problem on the Heil 5000, since the sweep panel didn't open very high. At first, they tried a cumbersome interlock linkage (which most people disconnected), but Heil finally altered the sweep panel in 1986 for a higher lift. It solved the problem, and improved the packer by giving it a slightly bigger "bite".
+N.E.Arkansas Trash Trucks&Lottery The guy owns a trailer park and unfortunately has contracted out the bagged collection from each unit to a third party, but he still chucks miscellaneous construction waste, branches, and whatever else in this truck and unloads it a couple times a year
Woww! Chevy Gasoline-powered truck chassis with an old rear-feed Garwood packer... Damn, that's ancient!
A nice "show" to watch on a Sunday morning. Beautiful example of the 1965-1972 LP-700 series in 20-yard capacity. My compliments on your video documentation in showing the functions of this packer, especially the big 7" packer cylinders. The chain drive sweep blade limited this packers digestion, but anything you could get behind that packer blade was crushed but good! The fact that these digested smaller hopper loads (1 to 2 yards max) per cycle and had such a powerful packer blade made them a good performer.
It looks like both of the arrester hooks are broken off of the sweep panel, which was common after years of regular use. These were supposed to lock the sweep panel at floor level, and you can see this one creeps a little as a result.
Nice truck and packer combo, and a big thanks to the owner for giving you the demo. I have a Chevrolet ad circa 1968 showing almost this exact truck if anyone is interested.
+ClassicRefuseTrucks where on the sweep panel would those hooks have been mounted? and by "floor level" do you mean when the blade is at its home position, or the halfway position when it's closest to the hopper sill? I'd be interested in knowing the purpose of those hooks as well. thanks for featuring this on CRT and showing us the 1968 ad there too. any pictures you want are all yours at www.flickr.com/photos/trashman242/albums/72157664391629815
+ClassicRefuseTrucks
Sure Eric, I'd like to see it......let me know where you're going to post it.
Warren S / flickr
+Trashman242
Scott......@ the 1:57 & 2:34 points, stop the video & you'll see welded tabs on the bottom side of the sweep panel close to the hopper wall. There were 2 spring loaded tapered pins (cut @ approx. 45 degrees) mounted on each side of the hopper wall that would compress in as the sweeper came close to the body floor, then pop-out and catch those welded tabs. It would prevent the sweeper panel from being forced down while the packer was compressing the load.
+D Miller Posted a link to the ad at CRT:
www.classicrefusetrucks.com/news.html
It's actually a '68 Chevy, but still darn close to this truck
+D Miller ...Warren, Scott...I stand corrected. This truck appears to have the correct blade stops intact. The older LP-600s had the larger hooks, this one should have flat stops, which it clearly does
I haven't seen one of these since I was a little kid. I was 4 when this truck was made.
Been 1991-92 since I've worked on one of these. I remember the hopper being way faster and scarier. One of the most notorious hoppers when it comes to horror stories of missing fingers and limbs. Heil Collectomatics and Leach Packmasters sat in our old yard next to these. The Leaches were the best ones to work with.
100% true. I worked with some these during High School Summers 79-82 in Northeast Ohio. The Garwood dual blade and Heil Lift Bucket were no match for the Leach Packmaster. The Leach Packmaster 2R was the Godzilla of our trucks and eventually all the units ended up being replaced with this model except for one old Packmaster from about 72. I agree about the Garwood, remember hating to have to work on it.
I recall one like this when I was a child.. I was always fascinated by the rotating sweep panel. it went MUCH faster than this one did. This was in the mid-1970's or so. Also..a few years LATER..IO saw a PAK_MOR truck with this EXACT same mechanism...1981 or so.. I also had the engine speed up working..
www.classicrefusetrucks.com/albums/PM/PM05.html
The last time I saw one of these was around 40 years ago. I liked watching the sweep panel, and yes, it rotated much faster.
Very nice! Awesome of this guy to show you how everything works. That gear box was fascinating to see, especially as I fancy the engineering on both old and modern refuse trucks. Thanks for sharing this awesome piece of history with us!
+SoCalGarbageTrucks de nada. getting this together for an upload, I actually had forgotten that I asked to see that..... :D
Wow. Lucky that guy was nice enough to do a demo for you and not think you were up to something. Also nice to hear you talk to a driver on this channel after 9 years lol. A truly rare find indeed.
Man nobody can top that video for being a rare truck,Love it thanks paul
Gold star for you Scott! Your archeological work is impressive.
Wow that thing is cool. Its way older than I am. Never seen one like that b4. Thanks for the video.
What an amazing find, I grew up watching these and am surprised to see that you found one that is still operational!
Wow! That's Epic! I've remember seeing a Heil Collectomatic in action when I was a kid, but never seen a Garwood in person( Glad you were able to get close up detail of this packer in action!
One of my fav packer designs. I built a Lego model based on this method.
I remember this when I was a kid
Living history right there! What a find!
I've seen the pictures and now I've seen the video. Wow it's damn awesome that he got this thing running for you, too bad if you discovered this classic and the owner told you to piss off! haha Neat seeing the chains in operation, just like a gear system, top set runs quick off the motor and the lower set a little slower. Over 40 years old, it still exists AND it actually still works :S I could hear the creaking when it was packing and I think I heard him say it was pretty loaded, makes me wonder how old some of the rubbish is in the body! Who knows how many classics like this are sitting out the back of random properties doing whatever.
+MitchellM15 That'd have been frustrating. I just about gave up on seeing it in action too...
I would love to see this cleaned up and in action.
Back in the 1980's my first trash truck was a 1974 Ford LN 700 with a Garwood LP-716. The truck was great for residential trash pickup,but eventually moved on to a Mack with a Pak-Mor I also had a Dempster Ranger on a IH CO 1950B
Enjoy reading what haulers run or started out with....is your current fleet still flavored Mack + Pak-Mor?
No unfortunately in 1995 we were forced out as the local landfill closed and we were forced to haul about 50 miles further to a commercial landfill--so eventually couldn't compete with BFI and Waste Management so we sold out
We were in business from 1970-1995
I had a LP-716 worked the same way--broke the chain a few times-- by the time I was done with mine I had about 2 feet of masterlinks in the chain, but overall it was a good residential unit. Was on a Ford LN700 gas job. that was 25 years ago
Another Gasoline powered garbage truck and its a Chevy not so many of those around these days
My dad used to have a garwood.the truck brand .was a white. It was cool.it had a dump box.you could crush furniture. It took some work.they were fast. I love Therese old videos. Joe siwek.mpls.mn
Interesting... a tall-deck 396 V8! Most of these came with 366s or tall-deck 427s.
I can't believe that rusty old garbage truck is still in service.
what I mean is that I can't believe that this garbage truck still runs and functions properly.
Nice find!
Very Nice The truck 1972 year operator.
why does he stopped the sweeper blade half way around? anytime i've seen these run the operator just runs the sweep all the way around as the compactor blade opens.
The ONLY issue I saw..was there was no "sped up" of the engine, when the packer was engaged. it should speed up considerably, as soon as the sweep panel begins to rotate. Probably a bad kick solenoid or linkage or something like that..
The city of Scarborough, Ontario, Canada used these trucks ( or similar) in the early 80's. They were fun to watch! I wonder if you looked up old city archives if you could find any pics?
Kitchener used them too.
Great find!! How'd you discover this old thing?? That's awesome that the owner was willing to fire it up for you. The gear shot was interesting, never seen that before and as a matter of fact, Thursday was the first time I discovered that you could open up that wall and see the mechanisms and gears of a RL lol What does this guy use this truck for? Truck looked like it was pretty full so I'm curious how often it's used. Awesome to see how the RL packer has developed from this into the modern day design. From the looks of it, seems like the modern day packer is just this design but put into one motion instead of two parts. That's really neat. Happen to know what became of Garwood over the years? Impressive truck to say the least, I'm curious how many trucks could survive this long if it weren't for air quality control and other regulations that were implemented over time... Nice work Scott!
+WMmaster626 I was talking to a local business owner trying to gain permission to film one of his trucks. while he wasn't interested, he did know of this much older truck in town and pointed me in the right direction to see it. if you ever get a chance to open either side of a Heil 5000 rear loader, I encourage you to do that as the swing link system can be understood better that way. other makes like Leach have the hydraulics up above the blade, so not much to open and be revealed on the sides of those. heck, I think there's a picture of a Gar Wood's LP-900 or Heil 5000's side "workings" on CRT. and that's where I'd also direct you to go to learn what became of Gar Wood :) C'mon Aaron, you've been around us for awhile! you should know this...here, I'll get ya started: www.classicrefusetrucks.com/albums/GW/GW.html
He uses this for miscellaneous trash that's generated on his property: large branches, bigger cardboard boxes, light construction debris, whatever he doesn't feel like putting out at the curb. thanks for your comment!
+Trashman242 Hahaha not sure why in the world I didn't think to check CRT first...thanks for sending me that way :-)
Vintage trucks are cool, ugly dinosaurs!
Trashman 242,
Would you mind if I pass this video link along to 2 other trucking groups I belong to ??
I know some of the older members would like to see it.
I'll list you as the poster. Thanks, & I'll wait for a reply.
Warren S.
Oh my God Scott, this truck is just amazing! A 1972 Chevy C60 Garwood rear loader ... wow! Just amazing that this old girl is still running! What do you mean when you say overboard? Does this truck have an automatic or manual transmission? What is the capacity of the body?
+GarbageSean Overbored; the engine block cylinders have been bored by a machine shop to an increased size. This is done during an engine rebuild to restore the surface of the bore and remove wear and damage. The result is an an engine displacement slightly larger than the original 396 cubic inches.
+GarbageSean and the body capacity is 20 yards, just as a Gar Wood LP-716 would be 16 yard and LP-725 would be 25 cubic yards. and 6 speed auto trans.
I should confirm that I was informed it ran on a 396. wikipedia says that by 1970 the 402 was introduced, and that was basically a 396 bored out to be 6 cubic inches larger. these were even labeled "396" ...so I assume when the owner says this is a 1972 and it runs a 396, he means it runs an overbored 396 (a.k.a. 402).
Is the upper part of the compactor hydrolic..
Muy extraño ese vehículo, por Dios.
interesting packer
more!
How old is this truck?
1972
Not much to say here, old and crusty and awesome. You should go back and offer up your manual labor services loading crap into the hopper in exchange for getting to go out to the dump with it.
as one rusty old looking garbage truck.
Trashman,
Thanks for sending the link for this video.
She's well worn out....
the engine speed-up circuit for the pack cycle isn't working,
as these pack much faster than shown.
This one is unusual in that it has the 'safety-Stop' feature, where the sweep blade would stop @ the hopper edge if the outside start lever wasn't held down to that point.
Most haulers didn't order that on their packers back then.
There are still a few of these in operation in the country.
Below are 2 links to a dude that was selling his LP 700 in Texas back in 2010.
th-cam.com/video/FK7WsQwGZc0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/kXtYph6uUek/w-d-xo.html
I'm sure Eric V. @ CRT would like to see this also.
He worked on 'em Many yrs. ago too.
Great find of a classic .......... Thanks for posting !!
Warren
+D Miller you're always welcome to share the link with others, Warren, don't even have to ask. I do remember the country sanitation one...would love to confirm it's actually still being used by them or somebody else. that one sure runs faster (and must be older, since it doesn't stop at the hopper sill). thanks for the comment!
OK Scott, and thanks.
I didn't want to just assume that it was ok to re-post without asking first.
Have a great day!
+Trashman242 The LP-700had an optional "deadman control" cam wheel available as an option from the beginning, but most of the earlier models didn't seem to have them. This one obviously does. By the time of the LP-700-9, it may have become mandatory.
By the 1980s, all refuse trucks were required to have the blade stop approximately 12" from the sill. This was a problem on the Heil 5000, since the sweep panel didn't open very high. At first, they tried a cumbersome interlock linkage (which most people disconnected), but Heil finally altered the sweep panel in 1986 for a higher lift. It solved the problem, and improved the packer by giving it a slightly bigger "bite".
+ClassicRefuseTrucks Ohhhhhh so that's why the Fauns always look like they don't open far enough.
Very old school nice catch. Be sure to check out my latest videos as I will prob post a video once or every other week.
Are they still using that truck to pickup garbage???
+N.E.Arkansas Trash Trucks&Lottery
The guy owns a trailer park and unfortunately has contracted out the bagged collection from each unit to a third party, but he still chucks miscellaneous construction waste, branches, and whatever else in this truck and unloads it a couple times a year
Been nice if you could have seen it working the truck !!!Thanks paul