Wonderful discussion on both the origins of the idea of secularism and the problem it now poses for the dharmic culture of Bharath, which is seen as regressive when viewed through the distorted lens of secularism. Sai Deepak makes mention of De Roover's thoughts on modern secularism in his first book. This trend (of making a religion out of secularism) can only be reversed if Bharatiyas (aka Indians) learn to become comfortable again in their own traditional and cultural skins without being apologetic or doubtful. And this can only be taken up by a newer generation who, though secularised, are able to see the cracks in its foundation, unlike the post independence generation that have learned to live with the erasure of the sacred from all walks of public life. This is the real tragedy that besets us as a nation today ~
Nice discussion. Thats exactly how a conversation should be like when we are in process of understanding and crystallizing our thoughts in the larger mileu of similar sounding ideas floating around (but are essentially starkly different)
When a society as whole is indoctrinated in a systemic way to hate themselves, the mental shackles are hard to get rid of, we all suffer from this. We all are learning, finding ways embrace our heritage in our personal and public lives, its slow process, we will get there.
Could you please do videos on all the values developed especialy influenced thru enlightment era ? And also share the de-merits listed such values highlighted by contempary intellactuals.. Pranams for all the good works done 🙏🙏
23:37 Ram Sethu and dredging of the place to enable larger ships to transit is an example of divergence between private belief and public / State order.
Ashish Ji, would love your input on Project Shivoham's one of the latest "documentaries" called "The Dark Side of Brahmin". It follows the same old trope of 'brahmins discriminated', 'brahmin by karma', etc. I think it's a really insidious video purported as 'discovering the truth'.
What is the definition of ☪️secularism✝️in🕉️🇮🇳🕉️that has commonly come to be the unfair standard of acceptance. IMPNOTE 🕉️Is not a ✡️✝️☪️religion and hence secularism has no basis in 🇮🇳
I’m not sure why but i felt first 15 mins of the discussion is def. not able to capture the problem adequately. Comparing middle east with western europe is outright wrong. Shows lack of awareness , ground reality is different.
Please make a video the right understanding of the word "Dharma" and how to apply it in life. TO OTHERS, please dont give your opinion by replying, not interested.
I don't know if it's the language or something else, but the host really struggles with articulating his thoughts. What could be said in a couple of well-crafted sentences, he takes at least a dozen and ends up with a confusing argument. It also affects Ashish's eloquence which is otherwise close to perfection.
Chup reh Deepak Rana. The fact that you find the host's accent a little crude is due to the fact that he's learned everything through reading. Have respect. Cultivate patience.
You guys are hopeless. You struggle to find an example of religion vs secular public policy, while the example of a Uniform Civil Code stares you on the face you come up with Sabarimala and sacred rivers. Stopped listening at that point. Sorry that Jakob de Rover’s brilliance is obscured by your obtuseness.
Gupta ji, they're not hopeless. The examples they have are far more explanatory than UCC because UCC will change many personal laws and by itself does not make the point of the split obvious.
Wonderful discussion on both the origins of the idea of secularism and the problem it now poses for the dharmic culture of Bharath, which is seen as regressive when viewed through the distorted lens of secularism.
Sai Deepak makes mention of De Roover's thoughts on modern secularism in his first book.
This trend (of making a religion out of secularism) can only be reversed if Bharatiyas (aka Indians) learn to become comfortable again in their own traditional and cultural skins without being apologetic or doubtful.
And this can only be taken up by a newer generation who, though secularised, are able to see the cracks in its foundation, unlike the post independence generation that have learned to live with the erasure of the sacred from all walks of public life. This is the real tragedy that besets us as a nation today ~
Bhaiyya! ♥What a podcast! Watched it twice because this was packed with great insights.🧠Finally, I am so glad you fixed the audio issue after all. 😅
Nice discussion. Thats exactly how a conversation should be like when we are in process of understanding and crystallizing our thoughts in the larger mileu of similar sounding ideas floating around (but are essentially starkly different)
When a society as whole is indoctrinated in a systemic way to hate themselves, the mental shackles are hard to get rid of, we all suffer from this. We all are learning, finding ways embrace our heritage in our personal and public lives, its slow process, we will get there.
Loved the soulful discussion.....keep bringing such wonderful and insightful discussions....
Thank you! Will do!
Please consider reviewing "The Vision of the Anointed" by Thomas Sowell. It contains themes of secular decay that is inherent to liberal democracies.
Could you please do videos on all the values developed especialy influenced thru enlightment era ?
And also share the de-merits listed such values highlighted by contempary intellactuals..
Pranams for all the good works done 🙏🙏
Great conversation. Loved it. In South Africa the word secularism does not come up in any discourse. I wonder if we even know the meaning of the word.
Always look forward to these in-depth discussions of yours 🙂 You guys should do a discussion on one of Taleb's books in the future.
In Kerala, even your closest kin will cancel you if you don't profess secularism in social circles.
23:37 Ram Sethu and dredging of the place to enable larger ships to transit is an example of divergence between private belief and public / State order.
ordered the book, sounds good
Ashish Ji, would love your input on Project Shivoham's one of the latest "documentaries" called "The Dark Side of Brahmin".
It follows the same old trope of 'brahmins discriminated', 'brahmin by karma', etc.
I think it's a really insidious video purported as 'discovering the truth'.
99.999% of "truth" videos are that only.
Might be a good idea to do this English - Hindi mix. The staggered speed of speech is jarring
What is the definition of ☪️secularism✝️in🕉️🇮🇳🕉️that has commonly come to be the unfair standard of acceptance.
IMPNOTE
🕉️Is not a ✡️✝️☪️religion and hence secularism has no basis in 🇮🇳
you guyz gotta have better reach, i forwarded it to all i could!
Insightful. Thank you.
You're very welcome
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I’m not sure why but i felt first 15 mins of the discussion is def. not able to capture the problem adequately. Comparing middle east with western europe is outright wrong. Shows lack of awareness , ground reality is different.
Please make a video the right understanding of the word "Dharma" and how to apply it in life.
TO OTHERS, please dont give your opinion by replying, not interested.
I don't know if it's the language or something else, but the host really struggles with articulating his thoughts. What could be said in a couple of well-crafted sentences, he takes at least a dozen and ends up with a confusing argument. It also affects Ashish's eloquence which is otherwise close to perfection.
Grant him time to learn n grow with experience
He is learning! Eloquence is a practiced art.
Chup reh Deepak Rana. The fact that you find the host's accent a little crude is due to the fact that he's learned everything through reading. Have respect. Cultivate patience.
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You guys are hopeless. You struggle to find an example of religion vs secular public policy, while the example of a Uniform Civil Code stares you on the face you come up with Sabarimala and sacred rivers.
Stopped listening at that point. Sorry that Jakob de Rover’s brilliance is obscured by your obtuseness.
Gupta ji, they're not hopeless. The examples they have are far more explanatory than UCC because UCC will change many personal laws and by itself does not make the point of the split obvious.