Atreus and Odin, Loki and Odin are virtually the same person. Even in mythology some experts believed that Loki was just initially another portrayal of Odin In the poetic eddas, Odin just seems like an older wiser version of Loki. Which is why it’s not surprising that the developers made “Odin act more like Loki than Loki himself”. But that’s not true and looking at things from a surface level Loki/Atreus and Odin literally do the exact same things in ragnarok. Collecting prophecies to understand their place in the world and what they are meant to do ? Check Trying to infiltrate the enemies’ head quarter to try and garner information and spy on them in preparation for war? Check Trying to use the mask as a way to find easy answers and solve all their problems? Check In fact on his second trip to Asgard, atreus explains to angrboda that he want to use the mask “as a way to bring back their people”, instead of endorsing the responsibility and going on a what will be a veryyy hard and complicated trip to find them. Loki and Odin are literally the exact same person in ragnarok just at different stages in life. Odin has existential crisis about death because he is an old man whose death is approaching Atreus has an existential crisis about his purpose and the meaning of his life because he is a teenager. Loki is essentially just Odin as a teenager Throughout the entirety of ragnarok atreus and Odin have the same ideas, try to solve problems and plans ahead the same way The only difference is that Odin was actually effective at doing it while atreus was naive and foolish
The origins of Odin is the God of the Koryos, the divine leader of the Wild Hunt, and closely associated with wisdom and poetry; Loki, however, has all the characteristic of a Kali deity, then Demon of the End Times. Not the same God.
I think odin represents general krate(kratos before killing his family)as well in the sense of doing anything he wants for a selfish ultimate goal, for general krate it was power and for odin, it was knowledge. Both of these paths will lead to them killing their children, but this is where their core difference lies, whereas krate killing his family made him resort more to his humanity and quit this journey for a while to seek forgiveness, odin simply found it to be annoying and would continue to fight as if nothing happened. Just put odin in krates position for when he killed his family, if he did that, he would have then sacrificed his humanity fully to ares and try to conquer all of Olympus not for ares, but for himself, due to the fact odin wants to be in control of EVERYTHING. If he can’t have everything, he wants nothing. Which is why he refuses to accept Tre tres offer to live, as he would be under peoples thumbs and lose all of his powers and would only have his family left. Basically, odin is no human in his core. He’s a selfish dictator warrior/magic god with no humanity who would exploit anybody’s purpose so that it suits him.
maybe the scene where he gets stabbed in the dream is supposed to tell him “don’t follow through with the mask, you are leading yourself to death”? great video btw
Wait, wait, wait, before actually watching the video, i just remembered; I finished GOW 2018 again some time ago (again, after playing Ragnarok), and after opening the portal to Jotunheim to scatter the ashes, instead of going directly from the entrance of the portal into the realm just like in the other realms, there is a brief section, with some stairs you have to walk towards a white portal and if you look around there is glowing yellow sand everywhere! It is nothing important, but i love the consinstency. To go into Jotunheim, you have to go through Utangard, right? it's cool that this applies to GOW 2018 also and before actually reaching Jotunheim, Kratos and Atreus crossed through Utangard. Lovely little detail.
I think it’s partly from someone’s subconscious. It plays on their fears. Like in the mythological Utgard. The illusions there seemed to humiliate Loki and Thor but they were actually so strong that the Gods were doing things such as wrestling with time itself disguised as a old woman.
also sif hate against loki was maybe not just because her sons died,because she know his father did but she was like that because she see loki became like odin,obsessed with wisdon and control everything. final battle sif himself say to thrud odin was like this all the time.
I always interpreted this as confirmation that it was indeed Loki at these precise moments in gow 2018 and not just a simple teenage crisis Loki has his dark moments where he is impulsive, irresponsible and insolent but also good sides This moment in Utangard is a warning so that he does not repeat his mistakes
@@venemous15 yup there was a lot of thoughts put into it Particularly ironwood and that dream. They clearly put a lot of details there that tease the future
I think when Atreus destroyed the mask, he maybe lost the chance to revive the missing giants. Odin stole the mask from Ægir and when he looked at the rift through it, he lost eye? When Giant like Atreus would look at it maybe it would tell him the knowledge about Giants...
"Atreus must resist the urge to find easy solutions" And remember guys..kratos told freya of one of his battle tactics.... "You may remove her(the medusa) head...but that is the hard way" "Which did you choose" "....the hard way"
Hey super late but I love Atreus. Anyways, why hasn’t anyone talked about the fact there’s SAND everywhere ? Isn’t Sand a huge clue to the future? Sand bowls in GoW2018 are very important. I do believe this shows his future… in the sands. The 2 suns could also mean Ra and Horus ! 5:39 this part can equalize Atreus coming before Anubis as the Statue of the Stag looks very similar.
So we won't talk about how tf did this dude teleport to the lands of the giants?? No one spoke of this? How does he travel there, by wishing to be there? Tf
@@Comicbroe405 wasn't confirmed by the devs, this is what you're thinking and I don't blame u, but in the previous game they used to justify how realm travel works, and it cannot be done in any other forms unless if you have bifrost. Also, how come thor destroyed all the giants but the granny is still alive?? Didn't thor destroy them all??
Atreus and Odin, Loki and Odin are virtually the same person. Even in mythology some experts believed that Loki was just initially another portrayal of Odin
In the poetic eddas, Odin just seems like an older wiser version of Loki.
Which is why it’s not surprising that the developers made “Odin act more like Loki than Loki himself”. But that’s not true and looking at things from a surface level
Loki/Atreus and Odin literally do the exact same things in ragnarok. Collecting prophecies to understand their place in the world and what they are meant to do ? Check
Trying to infiltrate the enemies’ head quarter to try and garner information and spy on them in preparation for war? Check
Trying to use the mask as a way to find easy answers and solve all their problems? Check
In fact on his second trip to Asgard, atreus explains to angrboda that he want to use the mask “as a way to bring back their people”, instead of endorsing the responsibility and going on a what will be a veryyy hard and complicated trip to find them.
Loki and Odin are literally the exact same person in ragnarok just at different stages in life.
Odin has existential crisis about death because he is an old man whose death is approaching
Atreus has an existential crisis about his purpose and the meaning of his life because he is a teenager. Loki is essentially just Odin as a teenager
Throughout the entirety of ragnarok atreus and Odin have the same ideas, try to solve problems and plans ahead the same way
The only difference is that Odin was actually effective at doing it while atreus was naive and foolish
The origins of Odin is the God of the Koryos, the divine leader of the Wild Hunt, and closely associated with wisdom and poetry; Loki, however, has all the characteristic of a Kali deity, then Demon of the End Times. Not the same God.
I think odin represents general krate(kratos before killing his family)as well in the sense of doing anything he wants for a selfish ultimate goal, for general krate it was power and for odin, it was knowledge. Both of these paths will lead to them killing their children, but this is where their core difference lies, whereas krate killing his family made him resort more to his humanity and quit this journey for a while to seek forgiveness, odin simply found it to be annoying and would continue to fight as if nothing happened. Just put odin in krates position for when he killed his family, if he did that, he would have then sacrificed his humanity fully to ares and try to conquer all of Olympus not for ares, but for himself, due to the fact odin wants to be in control of EVERYTHING. If he can’t have everything, he wants nothing. Which is why he refuses to accept Tre tres offer to live, as he would be under peoples thumbs and lose all of his powers and would only have his family left. Basically, odin is no human in his core. He’s a selfish dictator warrior/magic god with no humanity who would exploit anybody’s purpose so that it suits him.
Great video again! You're probably still one of the few GoW Ytbers still making good & interesting theories along with the funny ones. Keep it up!
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
I wish we get more of this dream place in next games. It has potential.
I love how a random question I came up with in 3 minutes sparked a whole video but regardless this is still super cool
“oMg iTs tHe ReFErEnce To uNdER ThE MaYO!”
maybe the scene where he gets stabbed in the dream is supposed to tell him “don’t follow through with the mask, you are leading yourself to death”? great video btw
Wait, wait, wait, before actually watching the video, i just remembered; I finished GOW 2018 again some time ago (again, after playing Ragnarok), and after opening the portal to Jotunheim to scatter the ashes, instead of going directly from the entrance of the portal into the realm just like in the other realms, there is a brief section, with some stairs you have to walk towards a white portal and if you look around there is glowing yellow sand everywhere! It is nothing important, but i love the consinstency. To go into Jotunheim, you have to go through Utangard, right? it's cool that this applies to GOW 2018 also and before actually reaching Jotunheim, Kratos and Atreus crossed through Utangard. Lovely little detail.
Yeah, I realized that too after making the video, it’s awesome
Now I can have a more detailed perspective as you elaborated. Thanks a lot, it sure seems like a legit construction of Atrues/Loki
I think it’s partly from someone’s subconscious. It plays on their fears. Like in the mythological Utgard. The illusions there seemed to humiliate Loki and Thor but they were actually so strong that the Gods were doing things such as wrestling with time itself disguised as a old woman.
also sif hate against loki was maybe not just because her sons died,because she know his father did but she was like that because she see loki became like odin,obsessed with wisdon and control everything. final battle sif himself say to thrud odin was like this all the time.
I always interpreted this as confirmation that it was indeed Loki at these precise moments in gow 2018 and not just a simple teenage crisis
Loki has his dark moments where he is impulsive, irresponsible and insolent but also good sides
This moment in Utangard is a warning so that he does not repeat his mistakes
Bro I don't think even the writers planned this to be this deep. Either way, great work
Maybe it doesn’t lol, but I thought it’s a cool connection
Never underestimate the people behind the creative of these games
@@anselmopat4985 yeah cus when you just start grinding through the game youl find some crazy lore and secrets
@@venemous15 yup there was a lot of thoughts put into it
Particularly ironwood and that dream. They clearly put a lot of details there that tease the future
I think when Atreus destroyed the mask, he maybe lost the chance to revive the missing giants. Odin stole the mask from Ægir and when he looked at the rift through it, he lost eye? When Giant like Atreus would look at it maybe it would tell him the knowledge about Giants...
Every video you release come inside of me , that so great
"Atreus must resist the urge to find easy solutions"
And remember guys..kratos told freya of one of his battle tactics....
"You may remove her(the medusa) head...but that is the hard way"
"Which did you choose"
"....the hard way"
Yo amazing video and theorize bro, makes good sense and it was a great analogy🔥
Atreus is giant and in his dream he saw Thor's arrive in 2018's game, MAYBE this dream in Ragnarok might hint for Egypt, idk.
Hey super late but I love Atreus. Anyways, why hasn’t anyone talked about the fact there’s SAND everywhere ? Isn’t Sand a huge clue to the future? Sand bowls in GoW2018 are very important.
I do believe this shows his future… in the sands.
The 2 suns could also mean Ra and Horus ! 5:39 this part can equalize Atreus coming before Anubis as the Statue of the Stag looks very similar.
Brilliant
But the real question is who knocked up ymir?
Whatever
Whatever
@@ogeraldo1388 little people little problems
@@isaacduraes7685 Whatever
What does it mean being "A God" in Greek mythology
Can you please 🥺 make a video 📸 about that
noice.
Just to let you know This mask doesn’t exist in the Canon Viking Mythology nor Loki even Odin doesn’t Wear or obtained!!
It means that....WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SKIP ATREUS SECTIONS
Idk, didn’t play this game
Probably betrayal reference
It meant nothing, it was pointless like most of the things that happened.
Game was a disappointment.
So we won't talk about how tf did this dude teleport to the lands of the giants?? No one spoke of this? How does he travel there, by wishing to be there? Tf
Uh.. magic lmao? It's pretty evident its a form giant magic with Angboda advising him on how to return.
@@Comicbroe405 wasn't confirmed by the devs, this is what you're thinking and I don't blame u, but in the previous game they used to justify how realm travel works, and it cannot be done in any other forms unless if you have bifrost. Also, how come thor destroyed all the giants but the granny is still alive?? Didn't thor destroy them all??