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@Laver-galarga WOW!!!! I'm from Utah, and if you want gambling. 1 1/2 hours to the west is Wendover Nevada. You can drink 24/7. You just have to buy it before 1 am to 8 am. Utah is far from boring. There is so much to do here. The lakes are great to fish in or water ski on. The mountains are SPECTACULAR!!!!!! The Wasatch front is only 30 minutes away if you live in West Valley like I do. The Oaker Mountains are fun also. If the only thing you think is fun is drinking and gambling I honestly think it is you that is boring my friend.
Then you have the jerks that is a mile back and you merge to the left to pass a truck and before you can move back over that jerk that was a mile back is now tailgating you. So these jerks speed up then want to complain you are going slow in the left lane. I’ve seen this a million times already. They were a mile back but somehow in 20 seconds they are tailgating you smh
@scottdsteele No. It could easily be controlled. Require any new residential to prove 200 years of water supply before they can get a permit. Or, less drastic, xeriscape only, including established neighborhoods. Utah gets less rain than AZ, but uses water like it's Illinois.
I was saying it's impossible to stop people from moving here. People have the freedom to go where they want to and Utah is at or near the top of the list for so many reasons.
I grew up in utah (No hate btw) But growing up not mormon in my own experience has been lonely, no kids could ever hang out after school, no sleep overs, barely ever could play videogames with my friends online I moved into a neighborhood with another household what wasnt mormon and they became my closest friends growing up but it was a bubble, school was entirely different The mormons are fine upstanding people in my view but it is isolating. Air quality, Housing Market, construction, Drivers, even food, I do agree with those being problems
Thanks for sharing Alex! I know this is the experience of many, and my hope is that more and more people are more inviting and able to help make everyone feel part of something and feel welcomed
I am a member, but remember my friends feeling this. Now as an adult, I’ve witnessed my neighborhood going out of their way to include everyone. Anything that can be considered a “neighborhood” event instead of a “church” activity is branded that way. My nonmember neighbors likely feel harassed by all the invites we send. We may not always be successful, but know we are trying to be more welcoming.
I have been in utah 9 years and the mormons in my neighborhoods have regularly and consistantly excluded my family and my kids brcause they dont know us from church. They all just pretend we are not part of the neighborhood. We have worked hard to seek out the few other non mormon families to build community. It is frustrating.
@@brandongilligan6893 I understand were you are talking about because I have got lost in utah before and got kind of stranded in those neighbhorhoods and the mormons with long dresses give me this look like u dont belong here or plz dont rob me.Even though they dont know i am lost.But the truth is i would rather deal with them than deal with hoards and hoards of illegal alien mexicans comin here and destroying utah economically as well as the conservative culture here.Believe me i feel that is the least of ur worries, I also get the same looks from mormons when i play gosple christian music in my car, and they know its not LDS music. I get but i prefer deal with them than hoards of illegals that flooding utah and its starting to get really bad now especially in provo,orem, and lindon area it used to be mostly mormon now its getting mostly dirty everywhwere.There are plenty of non mormon churches u should try fellow shipping over there
I'm LDS and have lived here for 30 years, 65% of my life. Rude drivers: check. I admit I've been one of them, but I'm getting better! Mormon exclusivity: check. But it is incorrect to stereotype us all that way. I think maybe half or so have a judgment problem at some point, but we are human and change as we grow, so don't overgeneralize us for that either. The other half are very understanding and empathetic. Newcomers to any location need to remember the self-fulfilling prophecy. If you see your neighbors as bad people, they'll sense it and become defensive. Remember LDS has a history of being persecuted and can become defensive. I think we generally like people and will be very welcoming if not attacked first. Basic human nature.
@@cj6884 This is a bit out of touch, you don't know the person you are talking to or the experiences they have had, and groups like that are often the butt of jokes and bullying, it's completely reasonable to see why they could get defensive or aprehensive of new comers.
People that criticize the LDS for being human and not perfect are screwballs themselves acting like they are such good people and that no one else can make mistakes! Typical hypocrisy understated.
$3000 mortgages on townhomes that are tiny, wall to wall at $430K with $1200 quarterly HOA’s… and we have the worst income disparities among the country. Big companies know they can pay you much lower as a Utahn. Be prepared to have a couple side hustles to survive. Also, night life is super lame.
Had a similar thought - renting an apartment nowadays that’s $1,200 a month is about just as much as the mortgage my parents pay for their house (we’ve been living in our current house since the early 2000’s)
To all of you who don’t like living in Utah, we’re okay with you moving to another state. The crowds have really gotten out of control here. No, I don’t attend the LDS Church, but they are all very giving and willing to be there for anyone in need!! ♥️♥️
Yknow, I moved to Utah about 30 years ago and was impressed by the couteous drivers...my, how things have changed! I think it's the increased crowding.
People here are way too courteous. I constantly see people slam on their brakes in traffic to give up their right of way. They are trying to be courteous but are creating a much more dangerous scenario.
Born, raised and still live in Utah. The drivers are extremely rude, the restaurants and fast food where I live are absolutely horrible, and being a lifelong Utahn I can’t afford a home here anymore. Please don’t move here! We’re full! WAAAAAAY too full. Stay where you are. Everyone flooding in here has made the housing market skyrocket to the point where people are becoming homeless. Something we haven’t really experienced. We just don’t have the space for you. Go somewhere else.
Traveled to SLC & Ste George about two dozen times while working for an airline. As a current Texan and former Oklahoman, you're not even close to the worst drivers. As for LDS, that's not on them to accept new people and the ones I've interacted with have extended me the same courtesy I've provided them. As someone that's moved quite a bit (CA, GA, OK, OH, IL and now TX) I've come to realize there's a culture to every region in the US and this whole idea of social terraforming - people trying to change their 'new home' into the one they purposefully abandoned - I find offensive. It seems the state is doing a lot right based on its economic success and low crime. Only thing that concerned me was the increasing amount of homeless in Salt Lake over the last 5-6 years
My favorite comment in a long long time Kevin. Thank you. I agree as well that homelessness has become a real problem and alot has happened in the last 2 years to remedy it. We currently sit at about 2,000 people experiencing homelessness and although any number is too high, SLC still ranks far, far better than most cities. Of the 25 cities in the U.S. with the highest homeless populations, New York City ranks as the worst with L.A. next followed by 12 California cities, 4 Texas cities, Las Vegas, Portland, Denver, and Seattle. I hope that we can find a way to better address homelessness in the near future that offers grace and a helping hand in addition to a path towards self reliance.
He’s not lying about the food. It’s absolutely terrible. Way too many chain restaurants and folks with bland taste buds. There’s not a single pizza joint that can compete with any decent pizza place.
@@scottdsteele I agree. Although they have a long way to go for being on par with places like Denver or San Diego. You do indeed have to go into SLC and primarily downtown, is what I’ve come to learn.
I’ve lived in Utah for 4 years, and I’ve enjoyed my time here. My biggest issue is the total lack of separation of church and state. It’s pretty blatant.
@@scottdsteeleUtah’s medical cannabis program is a big one. The people voted for a bill that was a very standard medical cannabis program, and the church lobbied the state legislature to pass a different bill, greatly restricting nearly every aspect of the program. That has lead to prices being held artificially higher than any of our neighboring states, leading most patients that I’ve talked to to head out of state for their medical cannabis purchases.
As a Wyomingite with family and friends in Utah, I don't ever plan to live there. As wonderful and beautiful as it is, the tax structure would be my biggest concern. I can enjoy visiting and get back to the calm and less taxed comfort (except for the wind) of Wyoming. That may be the BIGGEST reason people don't want to be in Wyoming - Wind
Hi Cynthia! I respect that, Wyoming is a beautiful state! If we look at total tax burden, the result is the best way to compare any state vs another. To determine the residents with the biggest tax burdens, Wallethub compared the 50 states across the three tax types of state tax burdens - property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes - as a share of total personal income in the state. Utah came in ranked #27 @ 8.08% Wyoming came in ranked #45 @ 6.42% That's a 1.66% difference. Texas is an example that I talk to many about as well, and many believe that because they don't have income tax, it's so much cheaper to live there, but Texas came in ranked #29 @ 8.01%... nearly identical to Utah.
Not just winter air quality. It’s bad year round. Whenever you have a high pressure weather pattern, it’s going to put a lid on that surface pollution.
You are totally right. I tend to talk alot about that winter inversion, but it can be poor at any point of the year especially when California or the Northwest wildfires are in full force.
As a native Californian, who moved to Utah, by way of Texas, I can tell you that I think the number one contributor to rude Utah drivers is that this state has no requirement for drivers education. If we don’t teach people how to be a courteous Driver how can you expect them to become so?
I'm curious where this idea comes from... I'm assuming you havent raised kids here, or they arent in high school yet as Drivers Ed is required before even *applying* for a drivers license... All four of my boys had to go through it in high school with getting their permits, doing the class curriculum, tanging (closed driving course), driving with an instructor, written test, driving test... that doesn't even take into account the hours they're supposed to have with their permit... dld.utah.gov/driver-ed-15-17/
Not sure if anyone is going to scroll down this far and read this. Accepting these 6 things was not difficult in comparison to moving out from The People's Republic of Commiefornia and have no desire to turn Utah into what I left. However, being from L.A., the only thing I do miss is being able to surf.
If only we had a way to allow in the genuine "refugees" while barring access to the commies. I know there are good folks from the CA trying to get away from that crap but I've also seen the state change pretty drastically over the past 20+ years as a result of all the immigration from the Left Coast and people bringing their garbage politics with them.
Great video. Lived in Utah a few years back andI overall agree. One point...the roads. I've heard this all across the northern states, but countries like Sweden and Norway get lots of snow and their roads are flawless. I think it's more about build quality and deferred maintenance,.
The problem in Utah is the wide swings in temperature above/below freezing. As the temp warms, snow melts and water fills the cracks. As the temp drops below freezing, the water in cracks freezes and expands to make the crack worse. Roads in much colder places do much better if they don’t oscillate across 32 degrees.
The politicians here hire their buddies to do road construction. They use cheap materials and do shoddy work, so they get another contract when the roads fall apart.
I always see your videos and want to run to the comments and holler "don't move here!" But you're such a nice person & your interactions in the comments are impressive. Could you please stop that! It makes it harder to be mad. 😂 😉
From Utah here. Been living here my whole life when my families moved here from South America. And it’s sad and frustrating to see how bad drivers have gotten and how wild the cost of living have become.
@@scottdsteele originally, it was Peru. Then they moved to Venezuela which is where my Uncle and Mom were raised and where my cousins were born and where my mom met my Stepfather who’s from Columbia. Then in the 90’s, my uncle decided to stay over there with my cousins (in 2016 the finally moved here) while my mom and my grandparents decided to move here in the US. It was in Florida that’s when my mom met my dad and got married, then moved to Hawaii. They stayed there for 3 years until my dad finally finished his military service over there, that’s when they moved to Utah. And from there, that’s when I was born and raised Utahn :).
I moved here to be near my son and DIL stationed at HAFB about 5 years ago. As an active California Realtor, I thought I could get my Utah license (which I did) and help people here with their real estate needs. However, not being LDS, it turns out my supply of possible clients diminished greatly. One agent told me, when asked, would say what Ward they lived in and that would work sometimes. To me, I consider that misleading. Also, being from southern California, I can't find affordable quality restaurants with fresh fish or spicy Spanish foods. Apparently, the majority of Utahns have a mild palette; which the restaurants must tailor their menus to stay in business. A third item for me is the unavailability to play outdoor year-round sports. I play softball. Thank you for being transparent with this video.
Thanks for sharing! To touch on your first point with respect to being a member of the largest faith here as a Realtor.... that's just not true. It may feel like that to you for whatever reason within the sphere with whom you're associating with but at my brokerage, there are over 100 agents who aren't... you just have to go find your people and your tribe.
Thanks John! The food scene has drastically improved in downtown SLC, and is just starting to improve elsewhere but yes, it's needs more diversity for sure
I live in Sandy, Utah. I have wonderful neighbors and my family and I are not LDS. It has its challenges like any place but over all we love it here. I’m a Christian and attend a wonderful church.
I don't understand how the snow is horrible? Millions of people come here each year for that very reason... the snow. Also, compared to most of the cities in the East or Midwest, our snow here in Salt Lake City along with the climate is a walk in the park comparatively. Also, I don't think it's valid to say that the people in any city are horrible... there are both good and bad people in every single town and city in this world and with a positive and helpful perspective, you'll find the best in both people and a place, including Salt Lake City Utah
Being concerned about "fitting in" is a "you problem", shades of junior high school. Seriously, I am not LDS and spent 45 years in Las Vegas before moving to Happy Valley, aka Utah Valley. No problems.
I bought a house all the way across the Country because our housing prices are SOOO RIDICULOUS!!!!!! I bought a fully remodled 1bed 1bath, 1.7acre, fresh water creek runs threw the backyard, 5min walk to the Lake, rual small town Northern Maine. 87k$ for all that ! Maine is the place to go if your looking to relocate.
I grew up all over Wisconsin. I have lived in a few different places (SC, FL, VA) and traveled around most of the country. I moved to SLC from Wisconsin September 2023. Point 1, Utah has poor air quality (in the valley). Wisconsin has contaminated ground water. Choose your poison. Point 2, Utah has rough roads. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Wisconsin. Point 3, Utah has bad drivers. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Chicago (or Atlanta). Point 4, housing is expensive in Utah. Yeah, kinda hard to argue this point. It is expensive here. However, there are more opportunities here for me than any place with cheaper housing, and probably than other places with more expensive housing, so this place is still the best shot I have at doing well. Point 5, food scene in Utah. There is a lefse place here, so I'm good. Point 6, anxiety about "fitting in". Idk what to say about this point. I feel no connection to this concern. I've not fit in almost anywhere, so I've long since stopped caring about that, and yet, I have noticed that I fit in well here. Not fitting in wouldn't bother me if it were the case, but it is not the case. Utah is not without problems, but it still appears to be the best place to live. At least for me.
One of my favorite comments Joshua, and I thank you. I love it when people share their true experience and I hope that you love it here and feel welcomed.
I visited Utah about 2013 for a training course for work. I had a wonderful time and I had a rental car. I did not notice drivers any worse than where I live. Loved Salt Lake City. it was cold and grey but it was early Spring.
Good Video. Seattle Transplant, but have been in Utah longer than King County. As far as the driving is concerned, maybe it is rude, but I generally think it is just cluelessness. Though when I do go home, I'm surprised people actually let you on the freeways, etc. so you may have a valid point. I guess you just get used to it. Housing prices (all - rentals, condos, homes, etc.) are insane! Friends have sold homes here and then saved money paying cash for new homes in California! (No, not Los Angeles, but CA is a mighty big place). "Fitting in" is an interesting subject. I don't see that as a Utah phenomenon. Having lived in NC where you were blackballed for not being Baptist - of course that was in early 70s. Personal Big Concern - yes, they just keep building more and more everything. Houses, apartments, stores, businesses - particularly Tech here on Silicone Slopes, BUT they have yet to create more Water. Utah is a desert state. Some parts may seem pretty green, but there is not really enough water for the continual expansion. Again, Great Video!
Love it here. Moved away for a while several times and keep coming back. So close to many 'bucket list' destinations that with planning makes long weekend getaways incredible.
They are superficially friendly, yes. But as far as developing close friendships - give yourself plenty of time. Lots of people have family here - they do social things with family. Some have close church friendships also. My recommendation is to find an interest & meet people through that interest. Into biking? There are lots of biking groups. Love to learn how to snowboard? Yep - you have come to the right place. Women have a bit more complicated situation. Most LDS women do not have careers - lots of SAHMs. My daughter got involved withJunior League & that was a great source to meet other career women.
Born and raised here and I completely agree with you especially on our roads, what's frustrated me the most is the mass amount of homes built in Magna and Tooele and no infustrutre planning especially on 201 to go East to West in Utah has become a joke...
I visited Utah some 30 years ago, for a vitamin company seminar (Solaray), and had a wonderful time. Coming from Florida, the climate was what struck me as such a positive. The dry air out west is a refreshing change from the humidity we get here in swampy Florida (yes, the whole state might as well be a muggy swamp). As someone who is about a decade from Social Security and retirement, I am definitely looking for somewhere else to retire in, and Utah has always been in the back of my mind from that trip 30 years ago. With regards to the LDS, Utah is their state. If you move to Utah and can't handle Mormons, then that is your problem, not theirs. And frankly, I'd rather live amongst Mormons, who are among the most clean, happy, polite and safe people to be around, versus living in some huge city anywhere else where you are literally in fear for your life just taking public transportation (yeah, I'm looking at you NYC). Housing prices are probably the first factor I look at when considering going anywhere else. Because when you have a home with no mortgage, and all you pay are property taxes, I will only consider locations where I can find affordable housing, and lower property taxes (and lower insurance rates). So for those reasons Utah would not be considered.
I've had problems getting a job in Utah after moving from Idaho. A lot of businesses see that I'm not from Utah and didn't think I would stay so didn't hire me. Ive now been here almost 4 years, luckily I found a job.
Just did a trip from nd to az, ca, ut, id, mt. Drivers on utah freeways were the most sane and courteous put of az, ca, or ut. Roads were the best too. Not much traffic in id, mt, or nd to gauge freeway behavior. Utah freeways flowed nice and people consistently used their signals.
Ive lived in countries in europe, south america, and some states in the US. From my experience, ive not encountered as many passive aggressive and disrespectful people in such a small amount of time like i have in Utah.
Any experience that one person has in any given area is a very small sample of what's to be experienced and here or anywhere else, I'd recommend that if you're finding negative people, simply find a different crowd because there's so much more out there... including positive and uplifting people.
I was born in Utah and lived in other states before returning. I have found this is something in the culture here that promotes very Passive-Aggressive behavior. People here are generally friendly, but when is comes to money, driving or business, watch out!
Twitchtwitch, have you ever considered that you might be the problem?? There's a lot of people who are the cause of their problems and don't even realize it. Give it some thought.
@@Annie-ll2jp give some thought to the possibility that there might be a passive aggressive culture in utah. A possibility. My comment states my experience, not yours, not anybody elses. Ive lived for a couple of years in different continents and some states in the US. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I REPEAT , FROM MY EXPERIENCE, utah was the worst place to live. from your comment, i wouldnt doubt you MIGHT find it a great place to live. more power to you
Utah rates number one in tickets given over 100 miles an hour. It also rates number one per capita in road rage. These were just released in the winter 23/24.
Fourth generation Utahn here. (None of us have been Mormon) LDS churches are laid out geographically. So all your LDS neighbors attend the same church. Thus everyone in the neighborhood knows who is who. This seems awkward but it's actually an advantage for us non-lds to get to make our own place in town. Plus your neighbors might be super nice to try and convert you.
@@scottdsteele we have moved to Enoch, just above Cedar city. The air quality so far seems to be just fine. That’s definitely a Salt Lake City thing. Our neighbors have been extremely welcoming. It’s not nearly as crowded and the scenery is absolutely beautiful. Housing cost is extremely reasonable, coming from California. We haven’t found a real downside yet, except worrying about it getting more like California with the influx of people who carry their liberal values to their new homes. As conservatives, we are thankful to be among people who feel like we do.
Just moved to st george utah from socal where I lived my whole life and the things that bug me is #1 is how bad these people are at driving which is the reason for my number 2 I think. #2 the way the roads were made. there are no turning lanes the right lane is always going to be a lane you turn from and there is not enough intersections in packed areas forcing people to pull out infront of you. #3 is the food I noticed this right away moving from Cali to Utah that the food is horrible. The upside to living in utah is its really beautiful and you have alot of freedoms when it comes to off roading and firearms that you wouldn't have in California. I'm moving out of st george to zion national park because it's to hot in st george and I hate the heat.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, St. George needs some big improvements to help with the traffic.... the food there is largely generic and yes our drivers can be terrible!
I totally understand! We do have some days on some years where we have some of the worst air in the world but it luckily doesn't stick around for long!
Hey I was born in the Central Valley (Lindsay) - Actually SLC is similarly at times ranked among the worst air quality in the nation, sometimes #1... same as there.
For anyone (the vocal minority... many who comment here) who tells people to "Go" or "Move Back," I hope that you don't find yourself moving, for whatever reason, to a new place only to be treated that same way. People are going to move to new places for one of 1,000 reasons and shouldn't they be treated with respect, love, and to feel welcomed? I would hope that I spike be treated that way, wouldn't you?
I lived in Utah for 2 years in the late 90’s and loved it. Moved from California, mainly to take advantage of the amazing snow Utah has to offer. It was a bit of a culture shock, but I was young and could adapt easy enough. I knew it would never be my permanent home though, as I eventually moved back to CA, due to job, family, etc. So I guess I was actually just on a long vacation there, but had a great time and have many fond memories of my stay there.
5:44 my opinion why the drivers are so rude: driving is the epitome of personal freedom. And, our roads change # of lanes without warning, 2 to 1 or 3 to 2, etc.
As a lifelong Utahn, this video is a fair assessment of the cons of Utah life. If you are a "glass half full" type, you will enjoy joy Utah life. If you are a "glass half empty" type, Utah will drive you crazy.
LDS peeps are nice people... not sure if that is a problem. Missionary knocking on our doors might be annoying, but they stop after they learn that there's no way of turning this guy...
This is a good video but it really reflects living in Salt Lake City more than Utah as a state. I have a home in Hurricane and the negative issues you describe are really more SLC issues than southern Utah issues which for me are few. Utah is a beautiful state throughout. But one shpuld decide if they. want SLC or less populated areas. The restaurants are fewer for sure, but the life style is fantastic and for us great for retirement.
You are so correct and thank you SO much for sharing!. I'm creating 20 videos I'm the St. George area starting next week so within a few weeks I'll start posting some
@@scottdsteele I'll make sure you get our watches. We're in the Dixie Springs subdivision right outside Sand Hollow and like many here it's a 2nd home for us. This will be our retirement home soon as we just love Utah as a whole and particularly the southwest area. Keep the vids coming, and have fun doing it!
I live at the Uinta basin. I dislike that we are paying for this new bus system construction that no one rides except for homeless people on fentanyl or spice. Keep your problems in SLC don’t give them a free ride to my neighborhood on my tax dollars
SLC was once that place but it has gone down in certain areas ijs. The younger generation has taken over and don't have a clue. The infrastructure is beautiful but it's some of the people that have taken away from SLC over the years.
I'm not doing or pretending to try to keep anyone out. People in America are free to move as they so chose and it's nobody's place to tell anyone that they can't move here. Utah is an amazing place and for that reason, people chose to move here. Also, only 18% of those moving here are from California and every Californian that I've served has moved here because they are attracted to our way of life here and they have that right to move here.
Moved to Clearfield from Seattle area 2 and a half years ago. Everything you say seems to be spot on! Though with influx of Californians and people like me the last year in particular. It's sort of turning into another left coast state. In five years probably identical.
I have lived in Utah for the last 14 years, and I do agree the driving isn't great. One of my friends who lived here their whole life has a saying for the red light crazies, "Once the light is red it is 3 seconds or 3 cars." Personally my biggest gripe is the lack of rainfall/thunderstorms. I really miss the frequency of a good storm as well as some humidity(mostly for my skin). Agree housing is crazy and you won't find many young single home owners, it takes 2 incomes to be comfortable owning a house.
Born and raised Utahn, 24, Drivers I completely understand, the food as well (Local flavors get very creative), housing is abysmal in the Valley, I'm living with friends atm, but we're seriously thinking of moving out of the county. It's cheaper, it's got great growth opportunities, the only real difficulty is the fact that most of us have lived in the same area for well over a decade each. Same city, different spots. We'd be leaving where we consider home. I love the Valley's sunrises and sunsets like no other, the low hanging clouds of spring, the fairytale-like snow as the city lights flicker through the coming storm. It's just becoming too expensive to stay in the valley long term. Much love, Scott!
As someone who has lived in Utah in the past, (currently in Japan), the social environment is actually one of the best out of all the states I have been to. With the rapid decline of California, Utah is picking up the pieces, everything is more expensive, people are more toxic...the overall experience is wasted with this occurring event. Apart from this, Utah is a great state, one of the best. For people who like warmer climates, St. George offers the best scenery. Anywhere north of Utah is much much colder. And for the religious community that is prominent within the state, it has helped Utah stay in a friendly environment.
Not going to lie, I've been wanting to live in Utah for community. I am part of the LDS church, but in NC it's not as common. Being a convert I would love to be around more community that doesn't question my beliefs at every turn. The only thing stopping me is the fact that I'm not sure I could ever afford housing. The ironic part is that I cannot really afford housing in NC anymore either.
Hi Emily! Thanks for sharing and your concern is our biggest problem for Utah's future. Housing costs. $384k in North Carolina and $522k in Utah is a pretty stark difference
I'm from São Paulo, Brazil. I used to live in Miami and North Carolina. I moved to Utah with my family last August. To me, here, near SLC, is the best place I've been living in my life!
I bought a house in Salt Lake City (Holladay) in 2018 and the price that I bought it for has doubled. If I had to buy the house now, I couldn’t afford it.
i'm a Utah native & there's over-policing all over the Salt Lake valley, high prices for mediocre goods, & the liquor laws. limited liquor licenses for businesses and restaurants, liquor can only be purchased at state-approved liquor stores with limited availability for higher quality alternatives. We also rank bottom 5 for amount spent on children K-12 & it shows in our education of children. When Prop 2 was voted in (Medical Marijuana), the state legislature changed it from its original form into where you can't set fire to leaves vs lighting a cigarette. Our OWN politicians don't listen to us. Combining this with the mentioned cons in the video, mid nightlife & mediocre food (there's some good spots, but few & far between), it's hard to recommend anyone move here. The one thing we got going on for Utah is crime rate & recently, it's on the rise.
I moved here hoping I’d fit in and my neighbors have been great, but I have experience the good ole boy stuff while job hunting. They do hook up fellow members over nonmembers. That’s been my experience at least. I hope that’s changing.
Just want to say, im LDS, some of your stories kill me and I'm so sorry people in my religion have acted so horribly. I hope you find the good lot of us too!
I work at the airport and people from UTAH give off the worst energy ever, I can easily tell when people live in Utah but aren't from there and give off a whole different vibe. I deal with people from around the world but people from UTAH often are rude, don't acknowledge, look down, snatch things from you, it's often a cold piercing almost narcissistic stare. I cannot speak for everyone but this has been my experience 8 out of 10
Hey, thanks for sharing! I'm super curious about everybodys experience. Maybe knowing that they'll be walking 5 miles on that new airport has them cranky 😠. I'm kidding, but I love hearing about what people experience
Happy such a well rounded travelled person could detect the energy flowing out of Utah. hopefully this will make others not want to come to Utah ever. Thank you very much.
I’ve lived in Salt Lake for 19 years. I’d put housing affordability at #1, it’s impossible for a single person to buy anything or even rent by themselves. It seems like everyone is renting rooms in their homes or needing roommates. The church running the state would be #2, they should have no say in anything but they are one of the most wealthy establishments in the country. Every state around Utah has stuff like the lottery, gambling, alcohol in stores other than liquor stores, legalized marijuana or even an NFL team, amongst a list of other things but since the church doesn’t allow that it can’t be here(even though there’s almost more non LDS people here now than LDS). And yes the never ending road construction is #3 for sure. But these are just my opinion.
Im stationed in northern Utah, and have been for 4 years. Coming from SoCal, the weather here is atrocious. Im in a sweater 90% of year, even during summer. Too cold for me. Plus like others have said, its way too damn expensive here. Couldnt think of myself living here longer than I have to. Edit: no gambling, no powerball, strict and intrusive alcohol laws, snowing in JULY. LOL. I could go on forever about how much this state actually sucks. Only GOOD thing about is it is the safest place ive ever traveled to and the 2nd amendment is semi respected, for now.
I can understand your weather thing and being cold, my wife is from SoCal and is cold very easily as well. However, snow in July? That has only happened up above us, not down here where most of the people live.
One good reason to not move here is too many apartment building especially in Ogden you can't swing rope without hitting one, I've lived here my whole 62 years of life and the re-gentrification out of control. We have a lot of low income folks and elderly here and now it's hurt them really a lot , high property taxes , not enough water, nothing fun to do if you're broke
Thanks for this . I do agree on rude drivers . I ride motorcycle and it's unreal. The traffic is a nightmare . I also say please go somewhere else . Our roads can't handle much more .
SLC resident here, I agree with this list. In terms of food, it's not a great scene and the service has been the worst I've seen anywhere so bad I gave up on eating out around here.
While the Salt Lake City nightlife scene is on the rise, it’s certainly not an outright destination like Vegas or Miami or other cities, but it doesn’t need to be. Because Utah already draws an international audience for its famed skiing, mountain biking and various other outdoor pursuits. With millions of tourists passing through Salt Lake International Airport each year, the presence of a legitimate nightlife scene just complements the countless other reasons people visit the region. Salt Lake City offers the unique ability to ski world-class resorts like Snowbird and Park City Mountain during the day and then to see world-class DJs in a true nightclub setting that same evening. In Short, nobody comes here or moves here for the nightlife... but it is here for those who do!
I'm originally from Southern California Long Beach/Los Angeles but also Lived in New Jersey next to New York City before relocating to Utah many years ago!!. Be thankful that at least you don't Live in the States where I have Lived where it's more Expensive there than it is in Utah!!. But I do know that in Big Cities like SLC the Prices for both Rent and Houses are going Up unfortunately!!. Nice Simple Video Scott!!😀👍
Mormon Stone care who you are one way or the other !!! So don't believe the stupid crap you might be hearing about them they're regular people like everybody else.. they're more concerned about their lives than they are anybody around them..
As someone who has lived in Utah their whole life as well id have to say the worst thing about to Utah has to be the housing 💯🤦🏻♂️ when I moved in my apartment 4 years ago the rent was $1200 now I pay $1800, another thing is our liquor laws are strict you can only buy liquor Monday through Saturday at designated liquor stores and bars don’t do doubles also. The weather here is very bipolar one day it’s beautiful and sunny the next day it’s freezing snowing other than that I really love Utah if you love being outdoors and hiking/camping and or fishing Utah is the place for you! there are so many canyons lakes rivers creeks and reservoirs to explore and are absolutely beautiful, skiing is amazing here as well and the food is great so many places to try here 💯
We bought a home in 2005 for 201K in Utah. Now it is worth $650K. I am so worried how my children will ever be able to afford a home. My brother moved to Pittsburgh for that very reason. He lived his whole life in Utah and loved it here, but he really wanted to own his own home. He made a great wage but he just could not afford a home on his own here in Utah. Me and my family are so sad now that he has moved away. He found a gorgeous, beautiful home in Pittsburgh for $225,000. It would have cost well over $700,000 here in Utah.
I have lived in Utah my whole life (48yrs) and without a doubt, the drivers are the absolute worst thing about Utah! Followed by the alcohol and cannabis laws. I believe the church plays a big role in that as well so the last thing I hate about Utah is the church. Don’t get that confused with the members of the church because you have some really understanding and good members but as a whole it feels that there is no separation between church and state. Other than that Utah is AMAZING! So diversity in not only geography but with people as well, and that makes up for a lot of the down sides of Utah.
Born and raised in norther utah. Stop moving here we are growing to big to fast. It used to be great, I can hardly go enjoy the outdoors any more. Like camping fishing shooting. You go up in the mountains to get away, now it's like going to a over crowded event.
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Why would I move to Utah it’s boring you can’t gamble you can’t really buy alcohol in a lot of places and there’s no lottery????
if you from cali. keep going
@Laver-galarga WOW!!!! I'm from Utah, and if you want gambling. 1 1/2 hours to the west is Wendover Nevada. You can drink 24/7. You just have to buy it before 1 am to 8 am. Utah is far from boring. There is so much to do here. The lakes are great to fish in or water ski on. The mountains are SPECTACULAR!!!!!! The Wasatch front is only 30 minutes away if you live in West Valley like I do. The Oaker Mountains are fun also. If the only thing you think is fun is drinking and gambling I honestly think it is you that is boring my friend.
@Auntiep61 stop promoting utah!!! I'm from Colorado look what happened to us when we let outsiders in.
@Sleepindragon2 I'm not promoting Utah. We have enough people living here. I don't want any more of our beautiful state taken up with housing.
The housing market is ridiculous in Utah. Nothing is affordable.
You're not wrong my friend
Not just Utah it’s pretty much everywhere
Was affordable before all the democrat trash from California, Oregon and Washington fled to Utah.
Why is Utah so damned expensive? I love SE Utah - seems really remote- but noticed the houses are priced the same as California!
It is due to everyone moving in
I live in Utah. Please don’t move here. Thank you. Have a wonderful day.
I hear you!
But you actually don't. You profit off of people moving here. Hypocrite.
Gee thanks sboz86??? You don't even know me and yet you get brave behind a keyboard. I serve people and I love doing so, and you don't have to
Agree
I also live in Utah and agree. Please don't move here.
Slow drivers in the fast lane is notorious here
This is no joke!
Then you have the jerks that is a mile back and you merge to the left to pass a truck and before you can move back over that jerk that was a mile back is now tailgating you. So these jerks speed up then want to complain you are going slow in the left lane. I’ve seen this a million times already. They were a mile back but somehow in 20 seconds they are tailgating you smh
@@BrianWaller-qe7gr AMEN!! I noticed that too
Also, with this getting over into the fast lane, for people to merge, this is non-existent.
The Mormon roadblock
Born and raised here. Too many people are coming here.
It's hard to see your home town grow so much, isn't it?
@@scottdsteele yeah
I get it
Fun fact….every driver in every state swears they have the worst drivers.
Touché!
ADVISEMENT: D O N O T drive in Park City during the Sundance Film Festival. (I live in Park City btw)
It does get crazy!
I went to Texas a few years ago and after driving around Houston for a while I became convinced that Utah is a driver's paradise.
The NTSB has rated Utah as having the worst, most rude drivers two years in a row.
Don't move to Utah. It sucks. Nothing to see here. Move along. I hear Texas is wonderful for you.
I hear you!
Yeah dude more restaurants whit shit foods from SISCO. SCAM there is not good foods on those fffffff Restaurants
I have no clue what you're trying to say here gogo
Sarcasm. Not more people please as we don't want to put up more houses on land we use to camp and jeep.
I agree and totally understand!
NOT ENOUGH WATER!!!!! The SLC metro needs to get less people, not more. If the GSL dries up, the whole city is going to have toxic air.
Your exactly right and we have to better manage our water resources.
We have plenty of water. But I agree...less people.
Yet It's impossible to stop
@scottdsteele No. It could easily be controlled. Require any new residential to prove 200 years of water supply before they can get a permit. Or, less drastic, xeriscape only, including established neighborhoods. Utah gets less rain than AZ, but uses water like it's Illinois.
I was saying it's impossible to stop people from moving here. People have the freedom to go where they want to and Utah is at or near the top of the list for so many reasons.
I grew up in utah
(No hate btw)
But growing up not mormon in my own experience has been lonely, no kids could ever hang out after school, no sleep overs, barely ever could play videogames with my friends online
I moved into a neighborhood with another household what wasnt mormon and they became my closest friends growing up but it was a bubble, school was entirely different
The mormons are fine upstanding people in my view but it is isolating.
Air quality, Housing Market, construction, Drivers, even food, I do agree with those being problems
Thanks for sharing Alex! I know this is the experience of many, and my hope is that more and more people are more inviting and able to help make everyone feel part of something and feel welcomed
My parents moved here 50 years ago for a job. I am not Mormon. I have had the exact same experience with the Mormons. Very judgemental group.
I am a member, but remember my friends feeling this. Now as an adult, I’ve witnessed my neighborhood going out of their way to include everyone. Anything that can be considered a “neighborhood” event instead of a “church” activity is branded that way. My nonmember neighbors likely feel harassed by all the invites we send. We may not always be successful, but know we are trying to be more welcoming.
Had many moes tell me to stay away from their kids. Stay tough.
Move on and find cool people
I am not mormon or from utah and the majority of mormons have been extremely good to me.They treat me better than my own ppl as a minority ..
That's great! I would expect and hope that this is most people's experience.
I have been in utah 9 years and the mormons in my neighborhoods have regularly and consistantly excluded my family and my kids brcause they dont know us from church. They all just pretend we are not part of the neighborhood. We have worked hard to seek out the few other non mormon families to build community. It is frustrating.
@@brandongilligan6893 I understand were you are talking about because I have got lost in utah before and got kind of stranded in those neighbhorhoods and the mormons with long dresses give me this look like u dont belong here or plz dont rob me.Even though they dont know i am lost.But the truth is i would rather deal with them than deal with hoards and hoards of illegal alien mexicans comin here and destroying utah economically as well as the conservative culture here.Believe me i feel that is the least of ur worries, I also get the same looks from mormons when i play gosple christian music in my car, and they know its not LDS music. I get but i prefer deal with them than hoards of illegals that flooding utah and its starting to get really bad now especially in provo,orem, and lindon area it used to be mostly mormon now its getting mostly dirty everywhwere.There are plenty of non mormon churches u should try fellow shipping over there
@@brandongilligan6893Real talk thanks Brandon
They're softening you up to convert you. No joke.
Utahs cool. We moved here 10 years ago. You get what you give. Just make sure you wait for a few cars to run a red light before you go
Well said! Thanks
So true
It's not a lie!
I'm LDS and have lived here for 30 years, 65% of my life. Rude drivers: check. I admit I've been one of them, but I'm getting better! Mormon exclusivity: check. But it is incorrect to stereotype us all that way. I think maybe half or so have a judgment problem at some point, but we are human and change as we grow, so don't overgeneralize us for that either. The other half are very understanding and empathetic. Newcomers to any location need to remember the self-fulfilling prophecy. If you see your neighbors as bad people, they'll sense it and become defensive. Remember LDS has a history of being persecuted and can become defensive. I think we generally like people and will be very welcoming if not attacked first. Basic human nature.
Thanks for that comment John! I agree with you too that whatever someone is looking for... they will find it, whether it's the good or the bad
@@cj6884 This is a bit out of touch, you don't know the person you are talking to or the experiences they have had, and groups like that are often the butt of jokes and bullying, it's completely reasonable to see why they could get defensive or aprehensive of new comers.
It must be excruciating for you.
People that criticize the LDS for being human and not perfect are screwballs themselves acting like they are such good people and that no one else can make mistakes! Typical hypocrisy understated.
Do you or do you not believe that you are "God's chosen people?" I don't see how someone can believe that and not feel superior to others.
$3000 mortgages on townhomes that are tiny, wall to wall at $430K with $1200 quarterly HOA’s… and we have the worst income disparities among the country. Big companies know they can pay you much lower as a Utahn. Be prepared to have a couple side hustles to survive.
Also, night life is super lame.
Thanks for sharing Andy! Housing has gotten expensive...too expensive especially for wage earners
In defense of Utah (which is rare for me), California by far has the biggest income disparity. See: San Francisco.
I agree, and we need to do something here before it gets to that point
Had a similar thought - renting an apartment nowadays that’s $1,200 a month is about just as much as the mortgage my parents pay for their house (we’ve been living in our current house since the early 2000’s)
You're exactly right
To all of you who don’t like living in Utah, we’re okay with you moving to another state. The crowds have really gotten out of control here. No, I don’t attend the LDS Church, but they are all very giving and willing to be there for anyone in need!! ♥️♥️
Thanks for sharing!!!
Yknow, I moved to Utah about 30 years ago and was impressed by the couteous drivers...my, how things have changed! I think it's the increased crowding.
I know! I hope that can all just think to be a little more courteous and kind
People here are way too courteous. I constantly see people slam on their brakes in traffic to give up their right of way. They are trying to be courteous but are creating a much more dangerous scenario.
Na, they are still great!
Driving has gotten more busy. That's about all I see.
Born, raised and still live in Utah. The drivers are extremely rude, the restaurants and fast food where I live are absolutely horrible, and being a lifelong Utahn I can’t afford a home here anymore. Please don’t move here! We’re full! WAAAAAAY too full. Stay where you are. Everyone flooding in here has made the housing market skyrocket to the point where people are becoming homeless. Something we haven’t really experienced. We just don’t have the space for you.
Go somewhere else.
Traveled to SLC & Ste George about two dozen times while working for an airline. As a current Texan and former Oklahoman, you're not even close to the worst drivers. As for LDS, that's not on them to accept new people and the ones I've interacted with have extended me the same courtesy I've provided them. As someone that's moved quite a bit (CA, GA, OK, OH, IL and now TX) I've come to realize there's a culture to every region in the US and this whole idea of social terraforming - people trying to change their 'new home' into the one they purposefully abandoned - I find offensive. It seems the state is doing a lot right based on its economic success and low crime. Only thing that concerned me was the increasing amount of homeless in Salt Lake over the last 5-6 years
My favorite comment in a long long time Kevin. Thank you. I agree as well that homelessness has become a real problem and alot has happened in the last 2 years to remedy it. We currently sit at about 2,000 people experiencing homelessness and although any number is too high, SLC still ranks far, far better than most cities. Of the 25 cities in the U.S. with the highest homeless populations, New York City ranks as the worst with L.A. next followed by 12 California cities, 4 Texas cities, Las Vegas, Portland, Denver, and Seattle. I hope that we can find a way to better address homelessness in the near future that offers grace and a helping hand in addition to a path towards self reliance.
He’s not lying about the food. It’s absolutely terrible. Way too many chain restaurants and folks with bland taste buds. There’s not a single pizza joint that can compete with any decent pizza place.
The food scene here is finally just starting these last couple of years and the best variety is in SLC
@@scottdsteele I agree. Although they have a long way to go for being on par with places like Denver or San Diego. You do indeed have to go into SLC and primarily downtown, is what I’ve come to learn.
When I moved here 14 years ago, OMG Ketchup on tacos. BTW, worst mexician food, plenty of it though
You're exactly right!
We need some good new Mexican Restaurants here!
I’ve lived in Utah for 4 years, and I’ve enjoyed my time here. My biggest issue is the total lack of separation of church and state. It’s pretty blatant.
Gotcha, what exactly do you mean? Examples?
@@scottdsteeleUtah’s medical cannabis program is a big one. The people voted for a bill that was a very standard medical cannabis program, and the church lobbied the state legislature to pass a different bill, greatly restricting nearly every aspect of the program. That has lead to prices being held artificially higher than any of our neighboring states, leading most patients that I’ve talked to to head out of state for their medical cannabis purchases.
Got it, that makes sense.
I don't mind it. It keeps the whole state from turning into shitty states the people are moving out of. . .
Also I don't smoke weed, so I don't give a flying fuck about the cannabis thing. But that is just me also.
As a Wyomingite with family and friends in Utah, I don't ever plan to live there. As wonderful and beautiful as it is, the tax structure would be my biggest concern. I can enjoy visiting and get back to the calm and less taxed comfort (except for the wind) of Wyoming. That may be the BIGGEST reason people don't want to be in Wyoming - Wind
Hi Cynthia! I respect that, Wyoming is a beautiful state!
If we look at total tax burden, the result is the best way to compare any state vs another.
To determine the residents with the biggest tax burdens, Wallethub compared the 50 states across the three tax types of state tax burdens - property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes - as a share of total personal income in the state.
Utah came in ranked #27 @ 8.08%
Wyoming came in ranked #45 @ 6.42%
That's a 1.66% difference.
Texas is an example that I talk to many about as well, and many believe that because they don't have income tax, it's so much cheaper to live there, but Texas came in ranked #29 @ 8.01%... nearly identical to Utah.
It IS very windy in Wyoming.
It’s a great place to escape to for some silence and peace though.
Not just winter air quality. It’s bad year round. Whenever you have a high pressure weather pattern, it’s going to put a lid on that surface pollution.
You are totally right. I tend to talk alot about that winter inversion, but it can be poor at any point of the year especially when California or the Northwest wildfires are in full force.
As a native Californian, who moved to Utah, by way of Texas, I can tell you that I think the number one contributor to rude Utah drivers is that this state has no requirement for drivers education. If we don’t teach people how to be a courteous Driver how can you expect them to become so?
Very valid point sir! Do people get more training in CA or TX? My wife is from Socal, I'll ask her as well with respect to her experience
I'm curious where this idea comes from... I'm assuming you havent raised kids here, or they arent in high school yet as Drivers Ed is required before even *applying* for a drivers license... All four of my boys had to go through it in high school with getting their permits, doing the class curriculum, tanging (closed driving course), driving with an instructor, written test, driving test... that doesn't even take into account the hours they're supposed to have with their permit...
dld.utah.gov/driver-ed-15-17/
People comment regularly about things that they know nothing about
Go back to California thank you
I'm not sure if I've heard this one before🤪
Not sure if anyone is going to scroll down this far and read this. Accepting these 6 things was not difficult in comparison to moving out from The People's Republic of Commiefornia and have no desire to turn Utah into what I left. However, being from L.A., the only thing I do miss is being able to surf.
Thanks for the comment Alex! Beaches and Dodgers baseball ⚾️
If only we had a way to allow in the genuine "refugees" while barring access to the commies. I know there are good folks from the CA trying to get away from that crap but I've also seen the state change pretty drastically over the past 20+ years as a result of all the immigration from the Left Coast and people bringing their garbage politics with them.
I totally understand your sentiment
Tell me about it. We're a socially conservative religious family from Canada. What's it like down there? Surely, the grass is a few shades greener.
People are friendly, employment is alright, but housing is just ridiculously stupid.
Very fair assessment!
Racing home and running red lights is dangerous driving. They’re just getting away with it. We see it every day.
Me too
Great video. Lived in Utah a few years back andI overall agree. One point...the roads. I've heard this all across the northern states, but countries like Sweden and Norway get lots of snow and their roads are flawless. I think it's more about build quality and deferred maintenance,.
You're right, in fact Sweden is even building the first ever "Electrified" Road that will power EV's too.
The problem in Utah is the wide swings in temperature above/below freezing. As the temp warms, snow melts and water fills the cracks. As the temp drops below freezing, the water in cracks freezes and expands to make the crack worse. Roads in much colder places do much better if they don’t oscillate across 32 degrees.
The politicians here hire their buddies to do road construction. They use cheap materials and do shoddy work, so they get another contract when the roads fall apart.
I always see your videos and want to run to the comments and holler "don't move here!" But you're such a nice person & your interactions in the comments are impressive. Could you please stop that! It makes it harder to be mad. 😂 😉
From Utah here. Been living here my whole life when my families moved here from South America. And it’s sad and frustrating to see how bad drivers have gotten and how wild the cost of living have become.
I agree with you! Where did your family come from in South America?
@@scottdsteele originally, it was Peru. Then they moved to Venezuela which is where my Uncle and Mom were raised and where my cousins were born and where my mom met my Stepfather who’s from Columbia. Then in the 90’s, my uncle decided to stay over there with my cousins (in 2016 the finally moved here) while my mom and my grandparents decided to move here in the US. It was in Florida that’s when my mom met my dad and got married, then moved to Hawaii. They stayed there for 3 years until my dad finally finished his military service over there, that’s when they moved to Utah. And from there, that’s when I was born and raised Utahn :).
Awesome! Bienvenidos and thanks for sharing!
I moved here to be near my son and DIL stationed at HAFB about 5 years ago. As an active California Realtor, I thought I could get my Utah license (which I did) and help people here with their real estate needs. However, not being LDS, it turns out my supply of possible clients diminished greatly. One agent told me, when asked, would say what Ward they lived in and that would work sometimes. To me, I consider that misleading.
Also, being from southern California, I can't find affordable quality restaurants with fresh fish or spicy Spanish foods. Apparently, the majority of Utahns have a mild palette; which the restaurants must tailor their menus to stay in business.
A third item for me is the unavailability to play outdoor year-round sports. I play softball.
Thank you for being transparent with this video.
Thanks for sharing! To touch on your first point with respect to being a member of the largest faith here as a Realtor.... that's just not true. It may feel like that to you for whatever reason within the sphere with whom you're associating with but at my brokerage, there are over 100 agents who aren't... you just have to go find your people and your tribe.
Love how you came with statistics. The food scene needs more diversity
Thanks John! The food scene has drastically improved in downtown SLC, and is just starting to improve elsewhere but yes, it's needs more diversity for sure
I live in Sandy, Utah. I have wonderful neighbors and my family and I are not LDS.
It has its challenges like any place but over all we love it here. I’m a Christian and attend a wonderful church.
That's awesome! I love that you've found a home this beautiful place.
Don’t move to Utah it’s horrible! The snow and the people are horrible! In n Out isn’t even that good! Move to Colorado or California!
I don't understand how the snow is horrible? Millions of people come here each year for that very reason... the snow. Also, compared to most of the cities in the East or Midwest, our snow here in Salt Lake City along with the climate is a walk in the park comparatively.
Also, I don't think it's valid to say that the people in any city are horrible... there are both good and bad people in every single town and city in this world and with a positive and helpful perspective, you'll find the best in both people and a place, including Salt Lake City Utah
@@scottdsteele He was being sarcastic.
@@MichaelRobertt I'm normally not a fan of sarcasm but in this particular case, long live sarcasm!
Yeah don't move to Utah! We'll stay behind and "suffer" for yall.
I wish people would stop moving to Utah. not being sarcastic. it was much much better here 40 years ago. oh well.
Being concerned about "fitting in" is a "you problem", shades of junior high school. Seriously, I am not LDS and spent 45 years in Las Vegas before moving to Happy Valley, aka Utah Valley. No problems.
Very well said John!!!
I bought a house all the way across the Country because our housing prices are SOOO RIDICULOUS!!!!!! I bought a fully remodled 1bed 1bath, 1.7acre, fresh water creek runs threw the backyard, 5min walk to the Lake, rual small town Northern Maine. 87k$ for all that ! Maine is the place to go if your looking to relocate.
Our housing prices have gone crazy and it's not good for our future generations
I'm a Utah native, but this seems like a very true and fair assessment of the state. I've lived outside Utah as well. But you did great on this.
Thank you so much!
I grew up all over Wisconsin. I have lived in a few different places (SC, FL, VA) and traveled around most of the country. I moved to SLC from Wisconsin September 2023. Point 1, Utah has poor air quality (in the valley). Wisconsin has contaminated ground water. Choose your poison. Point 2, Utah has rough roads. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Wisconsin. Point 3, Utah has bad drivers. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Chicago (or Atlanta). Point 4, housing is expensive in Utah. Yeah, kinda hard to argue this point. It is expensive here. However, there are more opportunities here for me than any place with cheaper housing, and probably than other places with more expensive housing, so this place is still the best shot I have at doing well. Point 5, food scene in Utah. There is a lefse place here, so I'm good. Point 6, anxiety about "fitting in". Idk what to say about this point. I feel no connection to this concern. I've not fit in almost anywhere, so I've long since stopped caring about that, and yet, I have noticed that I fit in well here. Not fitting in wouldn't bother me if it were the case, but it is not the case. Utah is not without problems, but it still appears to be the best place to live. At least for me.
One of my favorite comments Joshua, and I thank you. I love it when people share their true experience and I hope that you love it here and feel welcomed.
I visited Utah about 2013 for a training course for work. I had a wonderful time and I had a rental car. I did not notice drivers any worse than where I live. Loved Salt Lake City. it was cold and grey but it was early Spring.
Spring does get cold and Grey in the early part of the season
Good Video.
Seattle Transplant, but have been in Utah longer than King County.
As far as the driving is concerned, maybe it is rude, but I generally think it is just cluelessness. Though when I do go home, I'm surprised people actually let you on the freeways, etc. so you may have a valid point. I guess you just get used to it.
Housing prices (all - rentals, condos, homes, etc.) are insane! Friends have sold homes here and then saved money paying cash for new homes in California! (No, not Los Angeles, but CA is a mighty big place).
"Fitting in" is an interesting subject. I don't see that as a Utah phenomenon. Having lived in NC where you were blackballed for not being Baptist - of course that was in early 70s.
Personal Big Concern - yes, they just keep building more and more everything. Houses, apartments, stores, businesses - particularly Tech here on Silicone Slopes, BUT they have yet to create more Water. Utah is a desert state. Some parts may seem pretty green, but there is not really enough water for the continual expansion.
Again, Great Video!
Thank you SO much for your thoughtful comment!
Love it here. Moved away for a while several times and keep coming back. So close to many 'bucket list' destinations that with planning makes long weekend getaways incredible.
I agree, thanks for sharing
They are superficially friendly, yes. But as far as developing close friendships - give yourself plenty of time. Lots of people have family here - they do social things with family. Some have close church friendships also. My recommendation is to find an interest & meet people through that interest. Into biking? There are lots of biking groups. Love to learn how to snowboard? Yep - you have come to the right place. Women have a bit more complicated situation. Most LDS women do not have careers - lots of SAHMs. My daughter got involved withJunior League & that was a great source to meet other career women.
Thanks so much for sharing! This is super helpful for many people
Born and raised here and I completely agree with you especially on our roads, what's frustrated me the most is the mass amount of homes built in Magna and Tooele and no infustrutre planning especially on 201 to go East to West in Utah has become a joke...
I completely understand! This growth is just getting started for Tooele County too.
I visited Utah some 30 years ago, for a vitamin company seminar (Solaray), and had a wonderful time. Coming from Florida, the climate was what struck me as such a positive. The dry air out west is a refreshing change from the humidity we get here in swampy Florida (yes, the whole state might as well be a muggy swamp). As someone who is about a decade from Social Security and retirement, I am definitely looking for somewhere else to retire in, and Utah has always been in the back of my mind from that trip 30 years ago. With regards to the LDS, Utah is their state. If you move to Utah and can't handle Mormons, then that is your problem, not theirs. And frankly, I'd rather live amongst Mormons, who are among the most clean, happy, polite and safe people to be around, versus living in some huge city anywhere else where you are literally in fear for your life just taking public transportation (yeah, I'm looking at you NYC). Housing prices are probably the first factor I look at when considering going anywhere else. Because when you have a home with no mortgage, and all you pay are property taxes, I will only consider locations where I can find affordable housing, and lower property taxes (and lower insurance rates). So for those reasons Utah would not be considered.
Excellent comment! Thank you!
I live in a tent when I travel (no joke). Keeps housing affordable.
That's awesome!
Thank you. That is well stated. 😊
Agreed 👍
I've had problems getting a job in Utah after moving from Idaho. A lot of businesses see that I'm not from Utah and didn't think I would stay so didn't hire me. Ive now been here almost 4 years, luckily I found a job.
Well that's good that you have found a job now!
Just did a trip from nd to az, ca, ut, id, mt. Drivers on utah freeways were the most sane and courteous put of az, ca, or ut. Roads were the best too. Not much traffic in id, mt, or nd to gauge freeway behavior. Utah freeways flowed nice and people consistently used their signals.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!!!
Ive lived in countries in europe, south america, and some states in the US. From my experience, ive not encountered as many passive aggressive and disrespectful people in such a small amount of time like i have in Utah.
Any experience that one person has in any given area is a very small sample of what's to be experienced and here or anywhere else, I'd recommend that if you're finding negative people, simply find a different crowd because there's so much more out there... including positive and uplifting people.
I was born in Utah and lived in other states before returning. I have found this is something in the culture here that promotes very Passive-Aggressive behavior. People here are generally friendly, but when is comes to money, driving or business, watch out!
Twitchtwitch, have you ever considered that you might be the problem?? There's a lot of people who are the cause of their problems and don't even realize it. Give it some thought.
@@Annie-ll2jp give some thought to the possibility that there might be a passive aggressive culture in utah. A possibility. My comment states my experience, not yours, not anybody elses. Ive lived for a couple of years in different continents and some states in the US. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I REPEAT , FROM MY EXPERIENCE, utah was the worst place to live. from your comment, i wouldnt doubt you MIGHT find it a great place to live. more power to you
Utah rates number one in tickets given over 100 miles an hour. It also rates number one per capita in road rage. These were just released in the winter 23/24.
Don't forget the rise in homeless.
I don't doubt this at all! Thank you for sharing!!
It has risen
Agreed
@scottdsteele Welcome!.....I have a great time when I'm in town (downtown) with plenty to do but it's something u can't miss or ignore.
Fourth generation Utahn here. (None of us have been Mormon)
LDS churches are laid out geographically. So all your LDS neighbors attend the same church. Thus everyone in the neighborhood knows who is who.
This seems awkward but it's actually an advantage for us non-lds to get to make our own place in town. Plus your neighbors might be super nice to try and convert you.
Thanks for the comment Jeff! I really hope that you feel welcomed, included and treated with nothing but kindness. Everybody deserves that
I really feel you should title this “6 things to accept if you move to NORTHERN Utah”, I just don’t feel these are as relevant to the St George area..
I agree with you 100%! I need to make that clear and do separate videos for St. George for sure
@@scottdsteele we have moved to Enoch, just above Cedar city. The air quality so far seems to be just fine. That’s definitely a Salt Lake City thing. Our neighbors have been extremely welcoming. It’s not nearly as crowded and the scenery is absolutely beautiful. Housing cost is extremely reasonable, coming from California. We haven’t found a real downside yet, except worrying about it getting more like California with the influx of people who carry their liberal values to their new homes. As conservatives, we are thankful to be among people who feel like we do.
Just moved to st george utah from socal where I lived my whole life and the things that bug me is #1 is how bad these people are at driving which is the reason for my number 2 I think. #2 the way the roads were made. there are no turning lanes the right lane is always going to be a lane you turn from and there is not enough intersections in packed areas forcing people to pull out infront of you. #3 is the food I noticed this right away moving from Cali to Utah that the food is horrible. The upside to living in utah is its really beautiful and you have alot of freedoms when it comes to off roading and firearms that you wouldn't have in California. I'm moving out of st george to zion national park because it's to hot in st george and I hate the heat.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, St. George needs some big improvements to help with the traffic.... the food there is largely generic and yes our drivers can be terrible!
From the Central Valley of California it’s cute you think your air is bad. Not saying it’s perfect but I’ll take it over the Central Valley.
I totally understand! We do have some days on some years where we have some of the worst air in the world but it luckily doesn't stick around for long!
Hey I was born in the Central Valley (Lindsay) - Actually SLC is similarly at times ranked among the worst air quality in the nation, sometimes #1... same as there.
This is very true
On main Street is a great place for foodies. You can park your car unlock and walk away. The festival of colors in the batist temple is amazing.
Thanks for the tips!
I moved here during the pandemic from California I absolutely love Utah !!! 😎
Awesome! Welcome to Utah and I'm happy that you love it here
Move back
For anyone (the vocal minority... many who comment here) who tells people to "Go" or "Move Back," I hope that you don't find yourself moving, for whatever reason, to a new place only to be treated that same way. People are going to move to new places for one of 1,000 reasons and shouldn't they be treated with respect, love, and to feel welcomed? I would hope that I spike be treated that way, wouldn't you?
Moved here in 2020 and I really enjoy this state. Wish the pay was better but at least this is a better way of life.
Welcome!
They call it the beehive state cause “we all work together”
I have, for years, advocated to change it to the “Me First” state
Why would you advocate for something so negative? There's already way too much negativity in the world
Welcome to Utah everyone, now please go home.
I hear you
I lived in Utah for 2 years in the late 90’s and loved it. Moved from California, mainly to take advantage of the amazing snow Utah has to offer. It was a bit of a culture shock, but I was young and could adapt easy enough. I knew it would never be my permanent home though, as I eventually moved back to CA, due to job, family, etc. So I guess I was actually just on a long vacation there, but had a great time and have many fond memories of my stay there.
Thanks for sharing!!
5:44 my opinion why the drivers are so rude: driving is the epitome of personal freedom. And, our roads change # of lanes without warning, 2 to 1 or 3 to 2, etc.
Interesting take!
Yeah there are some things wrong with Utah but if you can look past that it can be an amazing place
Absolutely
Plenty of options to move to if you hate utah. You can migrate to europe or mexico or some place else. There ya go. Now pack ur bags n enjoy
You're exactly right Hero...I love it here
As a lifelong Utahn, this video is a fair assessment of the cons of Utah life. If you are a "glass half full" type, you will enjoy joy Utah life. If you are a "glass half empty" type, Utah will drive you crazy.
Bingo, well said
LDS peeps are nice people... not sure if that is a problem. Missionary knocking on our doors might be annoying, but they stop after they learn that there's no way of turning this guy...
Thanks for the comment!
This is a good video but it really reflects living in Salt Lake City more than Utah as a state. I have a home in Hurricane and the negative issues you describe are really more SLC issues than southern Utah issues which for me are few. Utah is a beautiful state throughout. But one shpuld decide if they. want SLC or less populated areas. The restaurants are fewer for sure, but the life style is fantastic and for us great for retirement.
You are so correct and thank you SO much for sharing!. I'm creating 20 videos I'm the St. George area starting next week so within a few weeks I'll start posting some
@@scottdsteele I'll make sure you get our watches. We're in the Dixie Springs subdivision right outside Sand Hollow and like many here it's a 2nd home for us. This will be our retirement home soon as we just love Utah as a whole and particularly the southwest area. Keep the vids coming, and have fun doing it!
Thank you so much a Tony!
I live at the Uinta basin. I dislike that we are paying for this new bus system construction that no one rides except for homeless people on fentanyl or spice. Keep your problems in SLC don’t give them a free ride to my neighborhood on my tax dollars
I love and share your passion as well to have our dollars spent wisely and with prudence and a stiff sense of stewardship.
I wish that was the case brother and I think we need to keep the Olympics and this professional Baseball team out of here. We live in a treasure.
SLC was once that place but it has gone down in certain areas ijs. The younger generation has taken over and don't have a clue. The infrastructure is beautiful but it's some of the people that have taken away from SLC over the years.
We certainly do! I actually do want the Olympics and the baseball team myself but I totally get your perspective as well
I hear you!
Nice try in doing your part to keep outsiders, especially Californian out of Utah.
I'm not doing or pretending to try to keep anyone out. People in America are free to move as they so chose and it's nobody's place to tell anyone that they can't move here. Utah is an amazing place and for that reason, people chose to move here. Also, only 18% of those moving here are from California and every Californian that I've served has moved here because they are attracted to our way of life here and they have that right to move here.
Moved to Clearfield from Seattle area 2 and a half years ago. Everything you say seems to be spot on! Though with influx of Californians and people like me the last year in particular. It's sort of turning into another left coast state. In five years probably identical.
Welcome to Utah!! What do you mean by left coast state?
I moved from California 3 years ago and I love Utah! I live on the end of Saratoga Springs!
I'm so happy that you love it here! And welcome!
Utah is not the Wasatch Front. There are plenty of other incredible places with pristine air quality.
You are exactly correct. While 2.8 Million of Utah's residents (82%) do live along the Wasatch Front, there are so many other places to enjoy
I have lived in Utah for the last 14 years, and I do agree the driving isn't great. One of my friends who lived here their whole life has a saying for the red light crazies, "Once the light is red it is 3 seconds or 3 cars." Personally my biggest gripe is the lack of rainfall/thunderstorms. I really miss the frequency of a good storm as well as some humidity(mostly for my skin). Agree housing is crazy and you won't find many young single home owners, it takes 2 incomes to be comfortable owning a house.
Thanks for sharing! Housing is too expensive for many and I would love to have more rain as well!
I feel and think that you nailed this presentation perfectly
Well thank you!
Born and raised Utahn, 24, Drivers I completely understand, the food as well (Local flavors get very creative), housing is abysmal in the Valley, I'm living with friends atm, but we're seriously thinking of moving out of the county. It's cheaper, it's got great growth opportunities, the only real difficulty is the fact that most of us have lived in the same area for well over a decade each. Same city, different spots. We'd be leaving where we consider home. I love the Valley's sunrises and sunsets like no other, the low hanging clouds of spring, the fairytale-like snow as the city lights flicker through the coming storm. It's just becoming too expensive to stay in the valley long term. Much love, Scott!
Very well thought out comment! I thank you for watching and sharing, it means the world to me
His first reason is about Salt Lake City, a small portion of Utah.
Maybe he should take the word UTAH out of the title.
Good point!
As someone who has lived in Utah in the past, (currently in Japan), the social environment is actually one of the best out of all the states I have been to. With the rapid decline of California, Utah is picking up the pieces, everything is more expensive, people are more toxic...the overall experience is wasted with this occurring event. Apart from this, Utah is a great state, one of the best. For people who like warmer climates, St. George offers the best scenery. Anywhere north of Utah is much much colder. And for the religious community that is prominent within the state, it has helped Utah stay in a friendly environment.
Thanks for your comment! Hopefully you'll come back at least to visit too
No just don't move to utah. It was nice now it sucks!!!
I hear you, what sucks about it now?
Not going to lie, I've been wanting to live in Utah for community. I am part of the LDS church, but in NC it's not as common. Being a convert I would love to be around more community that doesn't question my beliefs at every turn. The only thing stopping me is the fact that I'm not sure I could ever afford housing. The ironic part is that I cannot really afford housing in NC anymore either.
Hi Emily! Thanks for sharing and your concern is our biggest problem for Utah's future. Housing costs.
$384k in North Carolina and $522k in Utah is a pretty stark difference
I'm from São Paulo, Brazil. I used to live in Miami and North Carolina. I moved to Utah with my family last August. To me, here, near SLC, is the best place I've been living in my life!
That's awesome! Você fala português!
I bought a house in Salt Lake City (Holladay) in 2018 and the price that I bought it for has doubled. If I had to buy the house now, I couldn’t afford it.
Thanks for the comment Jeff! You're right, housing affordability here is now a crisis
i'm a Utah native & there's over-policing all over the Salt Lake valley, high prices for mediocre goods, & the liquor laws. limited liquor licenses for businesses and restaurants, liquor can only be purchased at state-approved liquor stores with limited availability for higher quality alternatives. We also rank bottom 5 for amount spent on children K-12 & it shows in our education of children. When Prop 2 was voted in (Medical Marijuana), the state legislature changed it from its original form into where you can't set fire to leaves vs lighting a cigarette. Our OWN politicians don't listen to us. Combining this with the mentioned cons in the video, mid nightlife & mediocre food (there's some good spots, but few & far between), it's hard to recommend anyone move here. The one thing we got going on for Utah is crime rate & recently, it's on the rise.
Thanks for sharing!!!
I was lds and raised in utah. I had a lot of members treat me like trash. People are people everywhere you go.
Agreed, you'll find good and people literally everywhere
I moved here hoping I’d fit in and my neighbors have been great, but I have experience the good ole boy stuff while job hunting. They do hook up fellow members over nonmembers. That’s been my experience at least. I hope that’s changing.
I absolutely hope that's changing as well!
It won't, they only want their kind.
Well that's what you will find to be true then. Focus on negativity and that's precisely what you'll find more of
@@scottdsteele Your reply shows 1 or more of the following 3 things: Either you are "In the club", ignorant, or you don't live here.
Negativety and victimhood on display
Utah is a traditional values state so if ur not into traditional family values maybe try a blue state😊
Well said
Kali yuppies took the quality of life, chopped it into tiny pieces and sold it to the highest bidders. They did it to OR, WA, CO, NM & AZ.
I understand where you're coming from
Oh, ok. Blame California for everything...cuz Trump says so.
I agree, way too many blame California for everything and anybody from CA, and that's simply just not the truth
Just want to say, im LDS, some of your stories kill me and I'm so sorry people in my religion have acted so horribly. I hope you find the good lot of us too!
I hope so too! Thanks for sharing
I work at the airport and people from UTAH give off the worst energy ever, I can easily tell when people live in Utah but aren't from there and give off a whole different vibe. I deal with people from around the world but people from UTAH often are rude, don't acknowledge, look down, snatch things from you, it's often a cold piercing almost narcissistic stare. I cannot speak for everyone but this has been my experience 8 out of 10
Hey, thanks for sharing! I'm super curious about everybodys experience. Maybe knowing that they'll be walking 5 miles on that new airport has them cranky 😠. I'm kidding, but I love hearing about what people experience
Anytime brotha, yeah Long Beach Airport in CA is literally the easiest smallest no stress Airport in the United States lol.
Happy such a well rounded travelled person could detect the energy flowing out of Utah. hopefully this will make others not want to come to Utah ever. Thank you very much.
I’ve lived in Salt Lake for 19 years. I’d put housing affordability at #1, it’s impossible for a single person to buy anything or even rent by themselves. It seems like everyone is renting rooms in their homes or needing roommates. The church running the state would be #2, they should have no say in anything but they are one of the most wealthy establishments in the country. Every state around Utah has stuff like the lottery, gambling, alcohol in stores other than liquor stores, legalized marijuana or even an NFL team, amongst a list of other things but since the church doesn’t allow that it can’t be here(even though there’s almost more non LDS people here now than LDS). And yes the never ending road construction is #3 for sure. But these are just my opinion.
Thanks for sharing! We are absolutely a very different place and it's not for everyone here for sure.
Im stationed in northern Utah, and have been for 4 years. Coming from SoCal, the weather here is atrocious. Im in a sweater 90% of year, even during summer. Too cold for me. Plus like others have said, its way too damn expensive here. Couldnt think of myself living here longer than I have to.
Edit: no gambling, no powerball, strict and intrusive alcohol laws, snowing in JULY. LOL. I could go on forever about how much this state actually sucks. Only GOOD thing about is it is the safest place ive ever traveled to and the 2nd amendment is semi respected, for now.
I can understand your weather thing and being cold, my wife is from SoCal and is cold very easily as well. However, snow in July? That has only happened up above us, not down here where most of the people live.
I was born and raised in Salt Lake City and this is 100% correct in my opinion, maybe not in the same order of priority.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
I've never had a non Mormon neighbor try to initiate any sort of contact with me in Utah, so it might not be all the Mormons fault for exclusion
You're right, there are examples of every single type of personality and person in every community
As a Utah resident i can tell you we have housings prices similar to Washington state and lower wages.
Don't move here!
I get it
They all dress the same … cookie cutters
I totally get it!
One good reason to not move here is too many apartment building especially in Ogden you can't swing rope without hitting one, I've lived here my whole 62 years of life and the re-gentrification out of control.
We have a lot of low income folks and elderly here and now it's hurt them really a lot , high property taxes , not enough water, nothing fun to do if you're broke
I'm sorry Cindy! I know that Ogden is really growing and it's likely not how some want it, and I completely understand the high cost of living as well
Thanks for this . I do agree on rude drivers . I ride motorcycle and it's unreal. The traffic is a nightmare . I also say please go somewhere else . Our roads can't handle much more .
I get it, thanks for sharing!
Stopped watching because of that music
Thanks for that feedback
@@scottdsteele thanks for being real 👊
Still watching but good point 😅
SLC resident here, I agree with this list. In terms of food, it's not a great scene and the service has been the worst I've seen anywhere so bad I gave up on eating out around here.
Thanks for sharing!
Is there any nightlife in Utah besides Sunday Bible school?
While the Salt Lake City nightlife scene is on the rise, it’s certainly not an outright destination like Vegas or Miami or other cities, but it doesn’t need to be. Because Utah already draws an international audience for its famed skiing, mountain biking and various other outdoor pursuits. With millions of tourists passing through Salt Lake International Airport each year, the presence of a legitimate nightlife scene just complements the countless other reasons people visit the region. Salt Lake City offers the unique ability to ski world-class resorts like Snowbird and Park City Mountain during the day and then to see world-class DJs in a true nightclub setting that same evening.
In Short, nobody comes here or moves here for the nightlife... but it is here for those who do!
not for me. I hate 'nightlife' . I prefer Reading the bible . Nightlife is for the young and dumb.
No nightlife doesn't suck.
Because there is no nightlife : (
Everything closes at 10. Facts!
Lots of meth and other drugs all over Utah 😂
I'm originally from Southern California Long Beach/Los Angeles but also Lived in New Jersey next to New York City before relocating to Utah many years ago!!. Be thankful that at least you don't Live in the States where I have Lived where it's more Expensive there than it is in Utah!!. But I do know that in Big Cities like SLC the Prices for both Rent and Houses are going Up unfortunately!!. Nice Simple Video Scott!!😀👍
Thanks for sharing Wally! I appreciate your feedback and comments so much!
@@scottdsteele : Your Welcome Scott!!😀👍👋
Thanks!
Mormon Stone care who you are one way or the other !!! So don't believe the stupid crap you might be hearing about them they're regular people like everybody else.. they're more concerned about their lives than they are anybody around them..
I agree 100%
Born in North Dakota, I was a newspaper cartoonist in Utah for 40 years.
That is so cool! For the Trubune? Deseret?
As someone who has lived in Utah their whole life as well id have to say the worst thing about to Utah has to be the housing 💯🤦🏻♂️ when I moved in my apartment 4 years ago the rent was $1200 now I pay $1800, another thing is our liquor laws are strict you can only buy liquor Monday through Saturday at designated liquor stores and bars don’t do doubles also. The weather here is very bipolar one day it’s beautiful and sunny the next day it’s freezing snowing other than that I really love Utah if you love being outdoors and hiking/camping and or fishing Utah is the place for you! there are so many canyons lakes rivers creeks and reservoirs to explore and are absolutely beautiful, skiing is amazing here as well and the food is great so many places to try here 💯
Thanks Peezy! Great comment and thank you for sharing your opinions
We bought a home in 2005 for 201K in Utah. Now it is worth $650K. I am so worried how my children will ever be able to afford a home. My brother moved to Pittsburgh for that very reason. He lived his whole life in Utah and loved it here, but he really wanted to own his own home. He made a great wage but he just could not afford a home on his own here in Utah. Me and my family are so sad now that he has moved away. He found a gorgeous, beautiful home in Pittsburgh for $225,000. It would have cost well over $700,000 here in Utah.
Thanks for sharing Anna! You are so correct and housing affordability is the biggest threat to our state's future
I have lived in Utah my whole life (48yrs) and without a doubt, the drivers are the absolute worst thing about Utah! Followed by the alcohol and cannabis laws. I believe the church plays a big role in that as well so the last thing I hate about Utah is the church. Don’t get that confused with the members of the church because you have some really understanding and good members but as a whole it feels that there is no separation between church and state. Other than that Utah is AMAZING! So diversity in not only geography but with people as well, and that makes up for a lot of the down sides of Utah.
Thanks for sharing!!!
Utah is awesome south of Hwy 70.
I agree 100% and I'll add that is awesome north of 70 as well as millions have found it to be home. Thanks for sharing!
Born and raised in norther utah. Stop moving here we are growing to big to fast. It used to be great, I can hardly go enjoy the outdoors any more. Like camping fishing shooting. You go up in the mountains to get away, now it's like going to a over crowded event.
You're not wrong, and it's going to continue to get more and more crowded
about the drivers in utah, I've never seen more red lights ran than anywhere else in the world. I call it the Utah Yellow
Crazy right? I just wish everybody would have the courtesy to let people change lanes or merge in front of them when they have their blinker on