As someone who has felt lobotomized and completely debilitated for the better part of a year following just a couple injections of antipsychotics I have a lot of respect and gratitude for those of you pursuing other forms of treatment
Just because a subject reports that they didn’t have any childhood trauma doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So much of what trauma is is not only not understood but also goes unnoticed because it stems from things we have been conditioned to see as normal and ordinary in our every day lives. And so I would argue that every single person with psychotic symptoms are sufferers of trauma.
FIRST!!! 😁👏🙌💪😃 Michael Garrett is the man!! I like how in a previous interview with Dr. Puder he agreed that perhaps among his greatest achievements was marrying Nancy ❤🎉
Maximum respect Bruce for as of late, seemingly having more psychodynamic-oriented psychotherapists on. I get the sense that you may be warming up to many of their perspectives on psychotherapy, and mental health generally... (but i could be wrong :)) I think I can speak on behalf of all Shedlerian's when I say that having Shedler on for a part 2 follow-up conversation would be highly appreciated and welcomed! :)
Oh no please don’t. It was my least favorite talk of them all. Just a repetition of the old boring „my school is better than yours“ story. Which was told mostly by Shedler. It was painful to watch how he interrupted Bruce. Not a good conversation at all.
@@williamjames3995 methinks you may be conflict-avoidant if that was a difficult interview for you to watch, because I viewed that as a healthy, spirited, conversation between two colleagues. I would invite you to consider that maybe your aversion to Shedler might not be resulting from the messenger, but rather the message itself (i.e., why are you _resistant_ to to psychodynamic perspectives specifically?). Or, it could be the messenger...(i.e., Does Shedler remind you of someone in your past? - Transference?). Its either the approach, or the person espousing the approach that bothers you, which is it?
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 Thanks for giving out unsolicited interpretations for free. I do not have an aversion to Shedler. In fact, I use his talks in my teaching. I have an aversion to when someone is rude and interrupting. And that’s what he did a lot with Bruce. Bruce is just too polite as an interviewer. Of course there were also passages of healthy conversation between colleagues. But did you watch the other interviews? Totally different quality overall in my opinion. Also, I am not resistant to psychodynamic perspectives at all. In fact, I’ve never said anything against psychodynamic thinking. You obviously tend to jump to strong conclusions from very little data. I am integrative with all my heart and I can see the value of psychodynamic thinking (and of all the other schools of thought). I just don’t buy into the old story of „we found the holy grail“.
@@williamjames3995 owowowoow you are suuuuuper-sensitive and reactionary..... you have just confirmed my clinical impression of you, which is that you appear to have strong reactions to people who claim to know something with any semblance of certainty (which would also explain why you had such a strong reaction to my last comment, spurring the the need for you to feel like you had to comment twice, lol). I don't claim to know you perfectly, I dont even know you. I'm just going by what you are writing, and that's it.
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 Interesting, you also have just confirmed my impression that you are more interested in analyzing than listening. Not one comment on what I wrote content-wise.
19:14 NO NO NO INCORRECT LOL. The reason some people react psychotically to things where as others don’t has to do with trauma predating that trauma. Kids come into this world with certain expectations that is their birthright for being human. Biological expectations. To be loved and accepted for who and what they are, to be seen, to be heard, to be wanted, to be held, and all the other things like air, food, water, shelter. Our nervous systems are designed for it. We are literally born as very premature creatures. Elephants can walk when they’re born. We can’t. We are so helpless and dependent. We have a DEEP desire to connect and attach. Kids who do not have those needs met are traumatized by it. It doesn’t have to be a capital T trauma like SA to create a sensitive traumatized child that will later become a teen or adult that snaps and becomes the “sun king” lol. There is trauma predating it that has nothing to do with genes. Yes genes give us the ability to for example dissociate from reality but that is triggered by the environment. And it’s not the full picture as to why people react differently to similar things. People disassociate from reality when reality is too painful. We’ve evolved to have that as a protective mechanism to protect us from the for example devastation of something like mom and dad abandoning you.
I tend to agree with you. I think, depending on the unique sensitivities of the child, that there does not have to be any CSA or other significant Trauma's with a capital T for negative deleterious consequences to occur....... That merely not getting one's basic attachment and social needs can, for many children, be Traumatic.
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 I think people are just so quick to give up the hunt in trying to discover the bigger picture, I had to comment. I actually really enjoyed this video and I am grateful and glad that at least people are talking about this. I have met so many people throughout my life who's behavior confused me but now I know that it could be so many things that created that person the way they are and that goes for myself as well. It's been eye opening to start seeing all the ways in which I have been affected and how it has manifested all sorts of things I used to just consider to be my personality but actually are just instead maladaptive psychological states or complexes. It seems like most people are under different spells and its just so important we keep digging so that we can as a whole humanity become more aware and actually do something about it.
Why don’t you bring Gabor Mate as a guest, his understanding of human Psychology is as important as a psychologist, and his observation is much needed in your profession.
As someone who has felt lobotomized and completely debilitated for the better part of a year following just a couple injections of antipsychotics I have a lot of respect and gratitude for those of you pursuing other forms of treatment
Just because a subject reports that they didn’t have any childhood trauma doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. So much of what trauma is is not only not understood but also goes unnoticed because it stems from things we have been conditioned to see as normal and ordinary in our every day lives. And so I would argue that every single person with psychotic symptoms are sufferers of trauma.
FIRST!!! 😁👏🙌💪😃 Michael Garrett is the man!! I like how in a previous interview with Dr. Puder he agreed that perhaps among his greatest achievements was marrying Nancy ❤🎉
Maximum respect Bruce for as of late, seemingly having more psychodynamic-oriented psychotherapists on. I get the sense that you may be warming up to many of their perspectives on psychotherapy, and mental health generally... (but i could be wrong :))
I think I can speak on behalf of all Shedlerian's when I say that having Shedler on for a part 2 follow-up conversation would be highly appreciated and welcomed! :)
Oh no please don’t. It was my least favorite talk of them all. Just a repetition of the old boring „my school is better than yours“ story. Which was told mostly by Shedler. It was painful to watch how he interrupted Bruce. Not a good conversation at all.
@@williamjames3995 methinks you may be conflict-avoidant if that was a difficult interview for you to watch, because I viewed that as a healthy, spirited, conversation between two colleagues. I would invite you to consider that maybe your aversion to Shedler might not be resulting from the messenger, but rather the message itself (i.e., why are you _resistant_ to to psychodynamic perspectives specifically?). Or, it could be the messenger...(i.e., Does Shedler remind you of someone in your past? - Transference?). Its either the approach, or the person espousing the approach that bothers you, which is it?
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 Thanks for giving out unsolicited interpretations for free.
I do not have an aversion to Shedler. In fact, I use his talks in my teaching. I have an aversion to when someone is rude and interrupting. And that’s what he did a lot with Bruce. Bruce is just too polite as an interviewer. Of course there were also passages of healthy conversation between colleagues. But did you watch the other interviews? Totally different quality overall in my opinion.
Also, I am not resistant to psychodynamic perspectives at all. In fact, I’ve never said anything against psychodynamic thinking. You obviously tend to jump to strong conclusions from very little data. I am integrative with all my heart and I can see the value of psychodynamic thinking (and of all the other schools of thought). I just don’t buy into the old story of „we found the holy grail“.
@@williamjames3995 owowowoow you are suuuuuper-sensitive and reactionary..... you have just confirmed my clinical impression of you, which is that you appear to have strong reactions to people who claim to know something with any semblance of certainty (which would also explain why you had such a strong reaction to my last comment, spurring the the need for you to feel like you had to comment twice, lol). I don't claim to know you perfectly, I dont even know you. I'm just going by what you are writing, and that's it.
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 Interesting, you also have just confirmed my impression that you are more interested in analyzing than listening. Not one comment on what I wrote content-wise.
19:14 NO NO NO INCORRECT LOL.
The reason some people react psychotically to things where as others don’t has to do with trauma predating that trauma.
Kids come into this world with certain expectations that is their birthright for being human. Biological expectations. To be loved and accepted for who and what they are, to be seen, to be heard, to be wanted, to be held, and all the other things like air, food, water, shelter. Our nervous systems are designed for it. We are literally born as very premature creatures. Elephants can walk when they’re born. We can’t. We are so helpless and dependent. We have a DEEP desire to connect and attach. Kids who do not have those needs met are traumatized by it. It doesn’t have to be a capital T trauma like SA to create a sensitive traumatized child that will later become a teen or adult that snaps and becomes the “sun king” lol.
There is trauma predating it that has nothing to do with genes.
Yes genes give us the ability to for example dissociate from reality but that is triggered by the environment. And it’s not the full picture as to why people react differently to similar things.
People disassociate from reality when reality is too painful. We’ve evolved to have that as a protective mechanism to protect us from the for example devastation of something like mom and dad abandoning you.
I tend to agree with you. I think, depending on the unique sensitivities of the child, that there does not have to be any CSA or other significant Trauma's with a capital T for negative deleterious consequences to occur....... That merely not getting one's basic attachment and social needs can, for many children, be Traumatic.
@@SylviabombsmithUjhy75bd34 I think people are just so quick to give up the hunt in trying to discover the bigger picture, I had to comment. I actually really enjoyed this video and I am grateful and glad that at least people are talking about this. I have met so many people throughout my life who's behavior confused me but now I know that it could be so many things that created that person the way they are and that goes for myself as well.
It's been eye opening to start seeing all the ways in which I have been affected and how it has manifested all sorts of things I used to just consider to be my personality but actually are just instead maladaptive psychological states or complexes. It seems like most people are under different spells and its just so important we keep digging so that we can as a whole humanity become more aware and actually do something about it.
Why don’t you bring Gabor Mate as a guest, his understanding of human Psychology is as important as a psychologist, and his observation is much needed in your profession.