Magnificent. So fluid. No appearance of driving the horse from the rider's seat. Makes me feel calm to see a horse so relaxed. I taught myself to ride to the Prix de St. George on a Morgan named Frenesee. A visitor saw us enjoying ourselves at that level and called us over. He was stunned when he found out the horse and I had no coach. He offfered me a chance to ride for the USET but I turned it down. Grateful, yes. But I wasn't interested in chasing someone else's dream. Frenners and I did it for FUN.This is how dressage should be. Thanks!
Wonderful footage: no fancy high tech saddle and performed with a simple bridle, he is one with his beautiful mount. Such skill and dual commitment. Wow!
Viewers should also note this is a youngish horse, not more than seven, given how dark his gray. Beautiful. The schwung in the piaffe and passage actually made me weep. No resistance anywhere in his body or mind. This used to be the BEGINNING of horse training, the driving manual, so to speak. Breathtaking. Heartfelt thanks to this poster.
What a treasure this film is. How it should be done. Rider is completely tuned in, controlled and exquisitely balanced. Horse is beautifully trained, conditioned, relaxed, willing, and all natural, effortless, correct, FORWARD movements. Yes, I was trained in classical dressage as a young person. What has happened in modern dressage we used to call "circus riding".
Watching this is eye opening for someone who doesn't ride and comparing the two riding styles. I have seen this style of riding only a few times out here of maybe 3 pairs... Sad indeed
@@sandralogue1774look for “ klimke,” another of the great artists. Though this is as beautiful as I’ve ever seen! It’s a relaxed situation compared to the last day of the last competition of the year, though.
Great to see a horse correctly use the hind leg and not be ruined by modern methods. I never saw this horse go behind the bit. The horse looks thoughful instead of stressed.
Really great horse and Rider and not one single sign of roll cur in the whole exercise. What a joy to see with all of the overflexion and horses being ridden the way they are today by most writers
Was für ein tolles Paar! Eine tolle Selbsthaltung vom Pferd und weit VOR der Senkrechten👍 Besonders interessant finde ich die Trabverstärkung, unglaublich, wie die Hinterhand schiebt und das Pferd am Widerrist optisch wächst. Zudem zeigt die Nase, anders als bei den neumodischen, hypermobilen Beinewerfern auf das Fessel- statt auf das Vorderfuß Wurzelgelenk. Bemerkenswert empfinde ich auch die Entwicklung der Piaffe. Bei der ersten dachte ich noch " uiii...dass der die Hinterhand so hängen lässt, hätte ich nicht vermutut" , aber in den darauffolgenden Sequenzen forderte der Reiter mehr Hinterhandaktivität und die folgte prompt. Echt Klasse! Generell hatte der Reiter einen stabilen, sehr guten Sitz, der aber im Gegensatz zu vielen heutigen Profis, eine gesunde Körperspannung hatte, ohne zu verkrampfen. Ich musste an die Legerte von Philippe Carl denken. Es sah zwar nicht mühelos, aber dafür harmonisch und motiviert aus. Da können sich Mal ganz viele eine Menge von abschneiden👍
I don't know how this got recommended but those 1- time tempi's were out of this world. Alright, they're not as 'expressive' as seen in modern dressage but they look far more pleasing and literally effortless
Das Genick immer der höchste Punkt,auf Trense ein fein gerittenes Pferd. Nie hinter der Senkrechten. Wunderbar anzusehen. Da sollten sich viele Reiter ein Beispiel dran nehmen.
Thank you very much dor this video. There are imperfections, sure, but the overall impression is great. There is not a forced movement and the horse is natural, not animated. The body is fluid, the horse is looking upfront. The most telling is the purity of gates. Two-beat trot and a 3-beat canter. So rare to see these days. Another interesting point is the riders' seat. The saddle allows movement of his body, which many dressage riders would not be able to withstand without holding on the tight reins as if their life depends on it. This rider does not need to do that. He moves in the saddle, sure, more than what we have been seeing these days, but you can see occassional slack in his reins. He does not hang on it to keep himslelf deadly stoic.
Your observations are so accurate. I don’t watch dressage anymore because it looks painful and forced. Today’s riders and instructors should study classical riders of the past. In this film the rider isn’t stiffly leaning back, but moving his in harmony with the horse. He and the horse are in tune and attentive, but not mechanically manipulated.
A joy to watch. Virtual perfection. This is dressage as it should be. Not like today's abusive and bullying tactics that the riders and judges seem to enjoy.
Das stimmt leider. Oft ist auch kein Interesse mehr da. Ulrich Raulff hat es 2015 in seinem Buch "Das letzte Jahrhundert der Pferde. Geschichte einer Trennung" beschrieben.
Was mir als Laien sofort auffällt ist, dass die Nase Vor der Senkrechten ist und nicht wie heute, wo die Pferde so zusammen geschraubt sind... Toll!!! Das sollten die Reiter heutzutage vielleicht mal wieder anschauen
@@nmd3132 If you absolutely want to ride absolutely correctly, Jean Luc Cornille of Science of Motion breaks everything down according to current science. He's brilliant.
We need to reform modern severe dressage techniques. The riders of the past should be studied and emulated. I no longer enjoy watching modern dressage. It almost looks abusive and forced.
More enjoyable experience than the cruel, nut-job, abusive practices pushed by today's corrupt and soulless horse world. Don't see foaming and drooling tortured horses with blue tongues hanging out...and heads and mouths pulled back so tight horses' eyes are completely disassociated and tormented. Movements are much more balanced and humane. How did modern dressage become a massive abusive and ugly show of cruel riders and tormented horses?
Are the people commenting about how wonderful this is even watching the video? In the changes the horse is WAY behind the vertical. By your standards you should be livid haha.
Grand Prix W. Schultheiss/17th Dec. 2020: W. Sch. sometimes leans back and is behind the vertical line. While the horse is in extended trot or in passage he seems to have difficulties to stay close to the saddle as Joef Neckermann. you can see this very clearly because of the the slow motion - a difficulty for the judges or not?!
And look at the saddle. I think he had his own saddle and it was flat. None of the padding today that helps you stay in the better. On the other hand, horses today, do have more movement.
More movement but at what price? Less free, more stressed, tight, unpleasant to watch. Is more movement really worth the price the horses pay? The movement is all in the front end, little hind end engagement. Hollow backs. Goes against everything dressage is supposed to be about.
I'm going to get killed for this but I've got to call it the way I see it. I'm very disappointed in this video. I first got involved in dressage a bit over half a century ago and Shulties was considered one of the Gods then. Had I seen that video then at one of our Saturday night potluck dinner and film festivals (Hi PRRC if any are left) I would have made essentially the same comments that I'm reading here now. And, just like the present day comments I read here, they would have been correct - as far as they go. The problem is the horse is not raising or bending his back at all. In a phrase, he's a leg mover. Making things worse, or probably making things the way they are, Willy is pounding the poop out of that poor horse's back with his seat. Please don't take these remarks as disrespectful of the great Shulties. I would like to imagine that if I should find myself magically standing next to him watching the best of today's best, I would have the good sense to whisper in his ear, “We stand on the stage you built for us."
Magnificent. So fluid. No appearance of driving the horse from the rider's seat. Makes me feel calm to see a horse so relaxed. I taught myself to ride to the Prix de St. George on a Morgan named Frenesee. A visitor saw us enjoying ourselves at that level and called us over. He was stunned when he found out the horse and I had no coach. He offfered me a chance to ride for the USET but I turned it down. Grateful, yes. But I wasn't interested in chasing someone else's dream. Frenners and I did it for FUN.This is how dressage should be. Thanks!
Look, Ma, no rolkur!
Wow, what a beautiful trusting horse and an excellent rider
Wonderful footage: no fancy high tech saddle and performed with a simple bridle, he is one with his beautiful mount. Such skill and dual commitment. Wow!
Viewers should also note this is a youngish horse, not more than seven, given how dark his gray. Beautiful. The schwung in the piaffe and passage actually made me weep. No resistance anywhere in his body or mind. This used to be the BEGINNING of horse training, the driving manual, so to speak. Breathtaking. Heartfelt thanks to this poster.
What a treasure this film is. How it should be done. Rider is completely tuned in, controlled and exquisitely balanced. Horse is beautifully trained, conditioned, relaxed, willing, and all natural, effortless, correct, FORWARD movements. Yes, I was trained in classical dressage as a young person. What has happened in modern dressage we used to call "circus riding".
Watching this is eye opening for someone who doesn't ride and comparing the two riding styles.
I have seen this style of riding only a few times out here of maybe 3 pairs...
Sad indeed
@@sandralogue1774look for “ klimke,” another of the great artists. Though this is as beautiful as I’ve ever seen! It’s a relaxed situation compared to the last day of the last competition of the year, though.
Great to see a horse correctly use the hind leg and not be ruined by modern methods. I never saw this horse go behind the bit. The horse looks thoughful instead of stressed.
Really great horse and Rider and not one single sign of roll cur in the whole exercise. What a joy to see with all of the overflexion and horses being ridden the way they are today by most writers
Where did it all go wrong?
How lovely is this to watch compared to the monstrosity we mostly see today.
It got wrong when the masses where talked into believing modern circus riding is what dressage should look like and when the big money got involved.
Was für ein tolles Paar!
Eine tolle Selbsthaltung vom Pferd und weit VOR der Senkrechten👍
Besonders interessant finde ich die Trabverstärkung, unglaublich, wie die Hinterhand schiebt und das Pferd am Widerrist optisch wächst. Zudem zeigt die Nase, anders als bei den neumodischen, hypermobilen Beinewerfern auf das Fessel- statt auf das Vorderfuß Wurzelgelenk. Bemerkenswert empfinde ich auch die Entwicklung der Piaffe. Bei der ersten dachte ich noch " uiii...dass der die Hinterhand so hängen lässt, hätte ich nicht vermutut" , aber in den darauffolgenden Sequenzen forderte der Reiter mehr Hinterhandaktivität und die folgte prompt. Echt Klasse!
Generell hatte der Reiter einen stabilen, sehr guten Sitz, der aber im Gegensatz zu vielen heutigen Profis, eine gesunde Körperspannung hatte, ohne zu verkrampfen. Ich musste an die Legerte von Philippe Carl denken. Es sah zwar nicht mühelos, aber dafür harmonisch und motiviert aus. Da können sich Mal ganz viele eine Menge von abschneiden👍
Genau! Ich habe dort auch geritten, ohne dressurmäßiges reiten geht auch bei einigen Rrnnpferden nichts
Lovely, how I wish we could see this in competition, how did dressage go so far off course
THIS IS A REAL TREASURE!! THIS IS SO, SO, SO CORRECT. BEAUTIFUL. Thank you!.
I don't know how this got recommended but those 1- time tempi's were out of this world. Alright, they're not as 'expressive' as seen in modern dressage but they look far more pleasing and literally effortless
Wow. Thank you for sharing this beautiful example of correct dressage, truly inspirational for any aspiring to excellance!
Das Genick immer der höchste Punkt,auf Trense ein fein gerittenes Pferd. Nie hinter der Senkrechten. Wunderbar anzusehen. Da sollten sich viele Reiter ein Beispiel dran nehmen.
So soft, never once behind the vertical, all in simple snaffle. A rare sight today!
competitions should come back to this qualty....
You need to start with the "judges" and "trainers" in order for that to happen.
Andreas Helgstrand should watch this and learn what dressage is supposed to be like. With a snaffle.
Most todays judges have unlearnd the true pictures or never seen
@@kimberlyholloway6888it's a need to come back learning by watching first
We learn by imitation at the best
Hochachtung vor dieser reiterlichen Leistung! Und das alles auf Trense geritten!
So free and cooperative. Equanimity of horse and rider
Thank you very much dor this video. There are imperfections, sure, but the overall impression is great. There is not a forced movement and the horse is natural, not animated. The body is fluid, the horse is looking upfront. The most telling is the purity of gates. Two-beat trot and a 3-beat canter. So rare to see these days.
Another interesting point is the riders' seat. The saddle allows movement of his body, which many dressage riders would not be able to withstand without holding on the tight reins as if their life depends on it. This rider does not need to do that. He moves in the saddle, sure, more than what we have been seeing these days, but you can see occassional slack in his reins. He does not hang on it to keep himslelf deadly stoic.
Your observations are so accurate. I don’t watch dressage anymore because it looks painful and forced. Today’s riders and instructors should study classical riders of the past. In this film the rider isn’t stiffly leaning back, but moving his in harmony with the horse. He and the horse are in tune and attentive, but not mechanically manipulated.
An absolute joy to watch, both horse and rider
Great horse! Wonderful video!
Priceless! ❤
A joy to watch. Virtual perfection. This is dressage as it should be. Not like today's abusive and bullying tactics that the riders and judges seem to enjoy.
Looks so much better than today, head in a perfect position,it’s fun to watch 💯❤️❣️😊
Was für eine tolle selbsthaltung. Und das ohrenspiel! Eine wonne, anzusehen!!
auch das Maulspiel , trotz Hann.Sperrhalfter.
A very very talent horse and rider! Horse moves very easy. Thats wat it could look like!
Genial geritten. Ein Vorbild für unsere heutiges mangelndes Pferdebewusstsein. Die Menschen verstehen so wenig von Pferden wie niemals zuvor.
Das stimmt leider. Oft ist auch kein Interesse mehr da. Ulrich Raulff hat es 2015 in seinem Buch "Das letzte Jahrhundert der Pferde. Geschichte einer Trennung" beschrieben.
Awesome history' at its finest!!!
What a delight to watch. Should be mandatory viewing for today‘s judges
Modern riders have lots of room to reach for such quality
timeless !!!
Just lovely - thank you
This is great, thanks for sharing!
Beautiful x
Are you sure this is dressage? Why isn't the horses tongue hanging out? Why isn't he rearing? ;-) Honestly, this is beautiful.
Beautiful horse, gifted rider. I wish it was clearer.
Mega! I hat the honour to ride there!!!
That piaffe😍
Warum haben die meisten Reiter die klassische Reiterkunst verlernt. Ein Trauerspiel was in der heutigen Zeit stattdessen passiert.
Very interesting, thanks for posting 👍👍👍
super!
Was mir als Laien sofort auffällt ist, dass die Nase Vor der Senkrechten ist und nicht wie heute, wo die Pferde so zusammen geschraubt sind... Toll!!! Das sollten die Reiter heutzutage vielleicht mal wieder anschauen
no rolkur!!!
OMG, this can’t be dressage without Rolkeur, and in a snaffle bridle! 🙄…
??? How old are you?
@@tasjaboes6752_ Why?
if you can't ride the horse in a snaffle you shouldn't be on him. modern riders are an abomination.
@@nmd3132 If you absolutely want to ride absolutely correctly, Jean Luc Cornille of Science of Motion breaks everything down according to current science. He's brilliant.
@@valcurley5010 thanks. my fav will always be Klimke tho, LOL.
Look how high the poll is. Are dressage horses no longer bred with this type of conformation?
when was this filmed?
Today we are Not allowed to tighten the noseband so hard
This a dropped noseband.
@@goettling They have names. This is Remont band. The most common today is Aachen band. 2
We need to reform modern severe dressage techniques. The riders of the past should be studied and emulated. I no longer enjoy watching modern dressage. It almost looks abusive and forced.
More enjoyable experience than the cruel, nut-job, abusive practices pushed by today's corrupt and soulless horse world. Don't see foaming and drooling tortured horses with blue tongues hanging out...and heads and mouths pulled back so tight horses' eyes are completely disassociated and tormented. Movements are much more balanced and humane. How did modern dressage become a massive abusive and ugly show of cruel riders and tormented horses?
Proof that dressage can be done, without the horse being btv, or with painful bits.
how old is this video?
Blessed are the ones who can read….
Are the people commenting about how wonderful this is even watching the video? In the changes the horse is WAY behind the vertical. By your standards you should be livid haha.
The horse is never behind the vertical. Don't know what you are looking at
Not much clue about anything? :)
Oh, here you are again. Maybe you're the one laughing at the horse's torment in that Dujardin video?
Grand Prix W. Schultheiss/17th Dec. 2020: W. Sch. sometimes leans back and is behind the vertical line. While the horse is in extended trot or in passage he seems to have difficulties to stay close to the saddle as Joef Neckermann. you can see this very clearly because of the the slow motion - a difficulty for the judges or not?!
@@ohjeh7388 Neckermann is not nearly as rythmic. Schultheiss was an artist, Neckermann a technician.
How well someone sits has to do with their personal anatomy as well or whether they have back problems or stiffness somewhere.
And look at the saddle. I think he had his own saddle and it was flat. None of the padding today that helps you stay in the better. On the other hand, horses today, do have more movement.
More movement but at what price? Less free, more stressed, tight, unpleasant to watch. Is more movement really worth the price the horses pay? The movement is all in the front end, little hind end engagement. Hollow backs. Goes against everything dressage is supposed to be about.
Still some roklur but nearly as bad as today
The word is "rollkur" and is nowhere to be found here. Willi Schultheiss is a master!
I'm going to get killed for this but I've got to call it the way I see it. I'm very disappointed in this video. I first got involved in dressage a bit over half a century ago and Shulties was considered one of the Gods then. Had I seen that video then at one of our Saturday night potluck dinner and film festivals (Hi PRRC if any are left) I would have made essentially the same comments that I'm reading here now. And, just like the present day comments I read here, they would have been correct - as far as they go.
The problem is the horse is not raising or bending his back at all. In a phrase, he's a leg mover. Making things worse, or probably making things the way they are, Willy is pounding the poop out of that poor horse's back with his seat.
Please don't take these remarks as disrespectful of the great Shulties. I would like to imagine that if I should find myself magically standing next to him watching the best of today's best, I would have the good sense to whisper in his ear, “We stand on the stage you built for us."
He sits like a sack of potatoes and really that poor horse. Mouth open all the time. Just awful to watch.
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