No, it was inspired by Stuart Beattie. Fun fact, Darth Maul was supposed to be the big bad guy. Glad that didn’t happen; Solo and Rebels completed his story.
One of the main reason we’ve been continuously getting lackluster Star Wars stories at best is because the people in the studios are not interested; They openly or otherwise dislike or aren’t interested in Star Wars and keep bringing in directors who have this open dislike or apathy for Star Wars. So far they still haven’t brought in a director who remotely likes Star Wars. That alone will be a breath of fresh air on its own
Honestly, Andor did NOT feel like Star Wars to me, but it wasn’t due to a lack of lightsabres or spectacle, it was more to do with the tone and the themes. That said, judged as a show on its own merit, it was REALLY good, and I liked it a LOT. It’s easily (imo) the best thing Disney has done with the property (though of course that’s a low bar and makes it seem as if I am damning the show with faint praise, which is not my intention).
I think a more introspective Kenobi series would have been absolutely amazing. I envision something that follows Obi-Wan surviving on Tatooine, and follows Vader on his various missions for the Empire in parallel, while the show periodically steps into flashbacks that also parallel what they’re respectively doing. The focus would be on comparing their lives post-Mustafar and the choices/worldviews that led them to that point. Themes could include reconciling guilt over the past, service vs servitude, resolving conflict, reflection vs rumination, etc.
Always an honor when you pick my comment and i agree, the sequels were not better than nothing. Aside from the EU, leaving the post RoTJ era to my imagination is better than what we got.
Young Jedi Knights is the GOAT. I love me Jacen and Jaina and Tenel Ka and Lowie! And ofc, Anakin and Tahiri and Uldir are great too, in Junior Jedi Knights.
@@saberiandream316honestly the saddest thing is Kyp's story is one of my least favorite there and i still think i would have preffered it to Kylo Ren.
@@saberiandream316 he was in like the first Jedi Academy novel, or the precursor series, and reintroduced as a recurring knight who came back to take padawan on missions or aid Luke.
In the prequels they used stunt blades then added the saber effect with computers. In Kenobi they used pixel sabers. The LEDs when recorded produce a blade effect to the pc edited one. Its what created the glow effect. The thing is Disney pixel blades kinda suck. If they used a good neopixel lightsaber the effect wouldve looked far better.
The downside of neopixel and similar designs is that constant hard contacts during the choreography (run repeatedly for multiple takes) has a higher risk of damage to the LEDs. This can produce dead spots in the lighting effect. The shows also (so far, at least) don't need any of the flashier blade effects. They just need a single solid color and possibly a few basic effects (like ignition and pulse). So they would want to use a different design from neopixel, focused on how the props are used and abused for filming as opposed to cosplay.
Lightsabers have just looked off since Disney. The tip is too rounded, the length and coloured inconsistent, and they looks exactly like a neopixel or proffie saber on camera with no added effects. I like the way they did it previously with a metal stunt blade and the lightsaber being added in later. With the new sabers the blades don’t blend or slow to reflect blasted shots etc. the blade used to be light in the sense that it looked slow down in super quick motion, now it’s not there anymore….just a light tube.
@empac8631 yeah, it used to look like light locking together, and it still does in the animated shows, but in live action they bounce and it's just weird.
@JoRoq1 exactly. As a collector I love my neopixel lightsabers, but when I watch Star Wars anything I want to see the best looking lightsabers and for that they need to go back to how the prequels did them.
It's a problem that when you're watching Star Wars, the lightsabers literally look like a fan sword fight on TH-cam. It makes them look like glow sticks. The prequels really got the lightsabers perfect. The lack of glow makes them look more unnatural and unique
I think Ahsoka kind of harms a Vong storyline, since a big part of their story is that they've been traveling for thousands of years. But now you can just pop over to the next galaxy
I think the answer is... both.. You need good writing.. but it also needs to FEEL like Star Wars. You can have variation, but if you just want sci-fi stuff that isn't Star Wars-ey.. then why tell it under the Star Wars IP?
@@istari0 Exactly. Feeling like "Star Wars" should be a priority for things directly connected to the main saga storyline (like Rogue One and Kenobi), but purely side stories (like Andor and The Mandalorian) can have the freedom to explore different aspects and approaches.
@thor have you seen Jenny Nicholsons recent video on the Galactic Starcruiser (Star Wars Hotel)? You’re in for a treat. It’s the most comprehensive review I’ve ever seen of the hotel
I think it’s treating characters and factions/groups like plot devices rather than how they should exist in the universe. This is my biggest issue with how the Mandalorians are treated in Mando season 3. They lacked the complexity that the Mando factions should have had at that point. There should straight up be Mandos who want Bo Katan unalived because of her past actions (including giving up the darksaber to Gideon). Stop using individual characters and groups as a means to move the plot forward. Ask yourself, how would things naturally take place in this galaxy between these variables? Stop trying to come up with a point in the story you want and trying to rush things together.
@@chasehedges6775 I think Din should have been the new Mandalore since he has a knack for diplomacy and badassery in the first two seasons. He’d perfectly fit the archetype of a reluctant ruler. I totally thought they were setting that up when he got the dark saber.
I agree. Part of the reason why I love them so much is ironically because I was going into them very pessimistically, making their high quality even more noticeable.
Apparently, the lightsabers nowadays are actually light sticks. In previous Star Wars films there were just sticks and the light and other effects were added after. It seems like with this new tech the CGI artists aren't doing much to lightsabers and just leaving them as is.
They are still covering the lightsaber blades with CGI. Even with tiny LEDs, the high-definition digital cameras and theater/tv screens would show distinctions in the light sources (similar to how a filmed raw tv screen looks). The LEDs do well to provide the surrounding lighting effects, but still need to be visually covered over to look like a solid energy mass. As another example, look at the Tesseract in the Marvel movies. The real, physical device was a clear cube with a set of bright lights inside, then painted over with CGI to look like it does on screen in post.
Possibly worst of all, is that they bounce on stormtroopers and other lightsabers instead of sticking like they would in the films. That's on of the big things that make them look off to me. That and that you can see they are a tube. Especially in Kenobi
Even though the CGI the lightsabers, the glow in the surrounding area gives away to the audience that they're just glow sticks. It messes with the immersion
My problem with Andor is the same problem I had with Solo, disney likes doing prequels too much! Andor was a good character in Rogue One, but not this great character that deserved a TV Series! The problem with prequels is that sometimes the people that make them create parts that don't fit with the future of the character! Han Solo is this cocky guy that thinks so highly of himself and his only concern is his reputation and Chewbacca, I'm supposed to believe that the guy in Solo fits that. Look at what they did with Boba Fett! There are a lot of good characters in the Star Wars canon, but Disney keeps making a lot of cheap bootlegs to replace stablished characters! Don't forget about all the ret-conning that "writers", "producers" and "directors" love to do!
Saber problem seems to be they using glowsticks, and add a little glow, where earlier they really put some work into it that made the sabers flicker and look alive..
Correct. They cast too much ambient light on the actors and sets, Obi's blue is too blue and dark, the original was a very light blue. The light is too even and needs a rougher organic flicker. Star Wars was always about the details, these marxist/activists making these now just don't care, they are merely vehicles to sell the 'message'.
For all of their issues, I think the sequels nailed the lightsabers. They weren't oversaturated like what we see nowadays, yet still had an environmental glow to them. I know his was unstable, but they way they did Kylo's was sick lol
@@jameslikesit I much prefer the prequels. The glow is too much even in the sequel movies. They look like glow sticks. It was much better when they didn't really emit colored light
The 12 parsecs Han mentions ANH does refer to distance. As explained in the Solo trilogy from the EU, the Kessel run involved navigating past large group of black holes. Most shop captains took fairly conservative routes staying back from the Black holes and thus increasing their distance traveled. Han, on the other hand, flew the Falcon very close the Black holes and thus completed the run in less than 12 parsecs. I've never seen the Solo movie, so I can't comment on how they explained it. I would definitely recommend the EU trilogy, having read it several times, because it tells a great back story for Han.
The thing is in Star Wars, or A New Hope if you prefer, the look on Obi WAN’s face after Han says that tells you that he immediately knows Han is lying, which makes sense. He just doesn’t care.
Regarding the lightsabers, they’ve been using neopixel blades for a while now, which is tech that became available in the saber collectible community maybe 8 to 10 years ago. It’s awesome for collectors, choreography, etc., but definitely not on par for theatrical productions. They still do effects in post, but apparently not enough.
I believe they changed the actual prop of the lightsaber, when they started filming with the Volume stage techniques from the Mandalorian. As you could see in the BTS of the Prequels, they used just thin metal sticks, that facilitated the quick choreography. On the new stages they have the fully lit plastic fiber sabers, all to improve the dynamic lighting from the sabers. But that made them not only look strange but much heavier which is also why the choreography is much worse on the D+ shows. All the light from the sabers used to be CGI, now they CGI some of it and also work in the actual light in the tube, that also reflects on the actors. Which is why they look strange now.
Obi-Wan acting on his own saving Sabine in The Cline Wars was the Obi-Wan storyI wanted to see in live action. ENERGY, Humor, Sarcasm, Quips, that Episode II attitude. Would’ve been awesome to have temporarily enlisted the help of that 501st trooper.
The Vong are when I just stopped reading the EU, they jumped the shark with them. If they were going to use them, they need a rewrite, I would limit them to a system instead of a galactic war and not come from another galaxy.
I haven't watched Andor, so I don't know what might lead folks to think it's not "Star Wars". However, if you go to a restaurant that historically served great burgers and you instead get a plate of excellent hamburger steak, you might be a bit confused (even annoyed), regardless of how good the hamburger steak is. You might point out that hamburger is still the main dish, and that it's excellent, but the two are still different experiences. I think that mixing it up isn't a bad thing, but it's understandable that some might feel a bit off-put by the shift, depending on their expectations.
Andor not feeling "Star Wars" is a legitimate thing, but also depends on what it is that makes "Star Wars" for you. There are no Jedi and no epic action battle pieces. Andor brings in difficult moral shades of gray rather than outright Good vs. Evil, to explore what it takes for a person to turn against their beliefs (engaging in espionage, sabotage, theft, assault, murder, and lies) and how far are they willing to go to achieve their goals. The audience is left to consider whether the ends are justifying the means, and that not all the "Bad guys" are necessarily fully "Bad".
Well, that was back when Lucasfilm hired people based on their merits and how well they thought they could do, and when they cared about Star Wars. They don't care about it anymore, lol.
Andor came after Kenobi, right? People didn't watch andor because the disappointment of boba Fett and Kenobi killed the hype momentum for SW TV shows. Same with Solo after TLJ.
With the lightsabers looking weird, yeah I agree. Disney has gotten their look right a few times (the lightsabers look really dang good in TFA and when Luke rescues Grogu), but they usually look short and the colors are washed out. I like to think lightsabers are bright, loud, and have vibrant colors. But there are genuinely times when I can’t tell if a saber blade is supposed to be orange or red and blue or white.
Hey Thor, I also think the answer is both. To a degree, there always needs to be an element of the spectacle & awe of space battles, force powers, and lightsaber duels, but there absolutely needs to be solid storytelling to compliment it. I also think there is plenty of room for more shows like Andor, which explore the broader universe (galaxy), the politics of Star Wars, and the things happening in the background that do not necessarily involve the Jedi. Those shows can still have ties to The Force, and occasional Jedi cameos to help balance things out. On another note, I think that just about the only way for there to be a solid season 2 for Kenobi is to shake up everyone by basically retconning season one as an elaborate dream. Then the season could continue with Obi-Wan wrestling with the meaning of that dream, the events of Mustafar, and practicing his training to commune with Qui-Gon & learning the steps towards being a force ghost. There could also be a potential off-world adventure, but NOT like the one we got involving him MEETING & saving a young Leia. I think A New Hope implies Leia knows of Kenobi, but has never met him, and I think any involvement with Leia should stay true to this notion. Well, I guess that's my $0.02 for now.
Hey Thor... I am one of the admitted few who liked the Kenobi show. There was a lot of promise that they certainly missed out on, and a lot of stuff that they didn't need. Firstly, Reva could have been a good villain if they didn't tie her backstory into some kind of revenge hunt on Vader. Had she just been a mean-ass Inquisitor, it would have been fine. I don't need her backstory. Another missed opportunity that they did set up is Luke showing his first Force usage. Owen told Obi Wan that he didn't care how Luke was doing, he wanted to know if he was "showing". I think it would have been a perfect time for Luke to use his first Force power (Force speed) when he was running from Reva. He would have been so scared, he wouldn't have even realized how fast he was running... And if Flea made it more evident that they were just toying with, and trying to horrify Leia (being bullies) when they "couldn't catch her"... Those small adjustments, along with Owen shooting Reva in the head at the end, would have made the story a good one. What do you think?
I get that you like it, and that's fine. But what you're essentially saying is: it would have been good if it were better. Not to mention that, for many that didn't like the show (including me), there many more and worse problems than just those
@@SuicV You must fall into that Non-Star Wars Andor camp... that's fine if you like being bored to death with no action and no SW stuff. Good for you bro!
@@JoeVulgamoreAuthor It says a lot that you decided to try and attack me in an unrelated topic, based on a random assumption, and even more so considering I was stating my opinion in a non-confrontative manner
@@SuicV I'm sorry you felt attacked. You were not. Had I attacked you, it would be quite evident and easily recognized. In fact, it was YOU who came on here judging my opinion. You made no attempt to start a discussion. You flat out ragged my opinion. If you can't handle a mild response such as I provided to you, in relation to how you answered me, then your skin is very thin and you have a victim mentality.
I have to disagree with you there Thor, Andor is not Star Wars, not because it's lacking the Force, Jedi vs. Sith, the Skywalkers, and Blasters, contrary to the popular belief, it is because that is completely devoid of the flavor, the charm, and dare I say, iconography that the films came before. We already know the fate of that guy, along with the loser bandits. But I should not hold it against you for getting a kick out of it. I wish I could be optimistic, but given that Bob Iger company and Kennedyfilm have zero regards to continuity and mismanagement of these franchises, they will always appease the wrong crowd, there is no denying that.
As for the low Andor viewership: There are two kinds of entertainment. First, there’s bowling night; happens every Thursday, and it wouldn’t be bowling night without all the shenanigans you and your friends get up to. Then, there’s the exotic vacation; an opportunity you might only experience once or twice in your life, but that’s okay - better, even. The experience sticks with you for the rest of your life, and you always remember it fondly. Andor is the latter of the two.
3:22 I really agree with this, I think the frustrating part of andor is when you're doing this type of show inside of the timeline between the clone wars to the first order timeline. You can't really tell an interchanging story on a grand scale so much if that makes sense? Simply because other movies get in the way and I think that, that in itself can be a death sentence for some of these series as they're in a timeline where nothing can be super head spinning because it's on guard rails story wise. I think that's why andor has so much backlash I could totally be wrong on that just my opinion
I think we covered the lightsabers in a chat once. They have switched to onset LED blades and I want to say additionally effect them post. The Roto-Scope technique is no longer used.
@@Deuteromis For me it really depends on the topic, I do 3 to 4 hours without realizing it and have downed 6-8 hour ones on long days or art or travel.
Just give us new EU as Legends, Lucasfilm. Don't keep taking pieces of the EU, chopping it up, slicing it into the context of your continuity, and act as if you've done us a huge favor, that it's a "triumphant return" of something we loved. It's not that same and you know it because of how much you've changed. Really, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp! That Lucasfilm consistently fails at this shows how incompetent they are. Or how malicious they are, since they never have any intention of doing something for the EU fans, because of the goodwill that it still holds in the community, they merely weaponize the EU for their talking points as a way to try and generate good PR for themselves. It is callous and dismissive and ruthlessly ignores the most loyal of Star Wars fans, one of the biggest tragedies of the Disney Star Wars era.
Regards the lightsabers i think it's cause they actually use glowing sticks now, it's just one light-stick now, and the visual effects department don't seem to be actually adding in the visual on the light for the "lightsaber" much. It's like they're just relying solely on the light-stick the actors are given to use now. I agree about these Disney+ starwars shows lacking real substance. Remember that scene where Luke heads to the garage part of the homestead in ANH checking for the Droids, and you hear that little "Hope" starwars theme tune, it's just very subtle. It feels exciting abit, i want these shows (and the movies) to get back to the exact same feel that little part in ANH with that music gave me. That's *Star Wars* to me; it's hard to explain in words, but i miss that feeling.
Hey Thor, quick hypothetical scenario just for fun: a Star Wars project drops tomorrow and you magically get to decide what it is. Is it a TV series, a standalone film, or the beginning of a trilogy? What is the basic story of it? And is it done in the style of the Original Trilogy, Prequels, or Andor? Thanks for all the content.
Yes, the ST was a net negative for SW, as was Kenobi. SW would be better off if they never existed. Much of the other Disney/Lucasfilm SW content has been mediocre at best and its failure to live up to the standards established early on also serves to diminish the brand. As of yet, there is no sign of things being turned around.
Hey Thor, nice to see another Asgardian. My issue with Andor is that it looks, visually like Star Wars, but it feels like something else. It feels like Star Wars for someone who doesn't like or care for Star Wars.
Hey Thor! What's your opinion on the First Order? I think the only good thing in the sequels was the First Order in The Force Awakens. It was similar to the Empire, so people still recognized stormtroopers, TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, etc and could relive the OG triology in a new way. In my opinion it was reasonable in-universe that a new "empire" will rise after the New Republic, and as once you said, this is a cycle, there will always be good guys ruling, then an evil empire ruling, Star Wars history repeats itself. Then in The Last Jedi, everything changed, the First Order used awful tactics, got a dreadnought shot down by some old bombers, General Hux turned into a joke, rather than a determined strong leader, the whole Snoke thing was awful. The Rise Of Skywalker made it much worse with Hux being the "spy", and the First Order just suddently turned into the Last Order because they said so, and then they made a star destroyer that was bigger and stronger, just to launch them into a cool space battle with horses and horrible tactics, the once First Order turned into laughable bad guys that only existed to make the good guys win. What do you think?
I agree with you that something more introspective would have been great. I would have liked to see Obi Wan struggle with his conscience about what happened to Anakin, Padme, losing Satine and the failures of the Jedi. All while watching over Luke from afar.
Imagine it’s both aesthetically appealing and well written 🤯🤯 seems like a no brainer for Disney. Weird it’s one or the other versus two sides of the same coin!
Hey Thor: I have a question about the light and dark side crossing so to speak. It's well established that when a Jedi thinks that they do what I would call a 'darkside gambit' and become a Sith for what they believe to be a greater purpose (Luke and Jacen in the EU, Revan, Dooku, etc.) that it will turn out badly and backfire, as they will lose themselves to it, no matter how careful they are. However, what do you think would happen if a sith tried a 'lightside gambit'? That being that they 'joined' the lightside, took on the outward appearance of a jedi in order to get people to trust them, work their way up in the order and take control of it for their own self-interest. Such a character would commit acts that would seem virtuous, and even genuinely help people, follow the Jedi code to an absolute tee, only use lightside powers, teach an apprentice, etc. all in the name of gaining a high rank in the order. After gaining 'hard' power and 'soft' power as well as everyone's trust, the character would then exploit all this for their personal gain. Would such a power move work, or would it somehow backfire as well? Would the character lose the drive to go through with it after so much exposure to the lightside? Would the other Jedi eventually feel their dark energy, thusly uncovering them? Would a darksider just have too hard a time hiding their true intent from those so connected to the force? Or would they just eventually slip up and commit a dark act, blowing their own cover? I feel that this would be an interesting concept to explore.
I think the reason why the Disney Plus lightsabers look off compared to the movie ones is because they use physical blades with LED lights rather than colored metal poles that they used in the movies. The metal poles were drawn over and animated in post to create the lightsaber effect and could be probably be tweaked to make things look more natural as needed. This is also probably why the lighting and blade length look off in some scenes using the LED ones, they're just using what's actually in the footage, and if it looks off based on the perspective of the camera or for any other reason, there's not much that can be done.
I think if Andor has some force users in it, most of those nay-sayers would end up digging it to some degree. I think it's short-sightedness that keeps them from seeing the deeper themes that it wrestles with in SW even though it also draws from other sci-fi in various ways as well. If TG had made Kenobi...now that is something I need a 'Sliders' portal to go check out...
Absolutely… and because the depth of stories these shows feel like nothing happens from episode to episode… if you edit a big pile of nothing into 8 small piles of nothing… it feels like even more nothing… does that makes any sense?
I think the Grysk and whatever theyre supposedly planning in the 2nd new galaxy might be a sort of canon version of the Vong.. maybe setting something up for the post sequel era
I'm okay with them taking inspiration from the Vong when adapting the Grysk into Disney Star Wars stories. I'd also prefer that if Filoni, who's been asking to do something with the Vong for _years_ (I cringe at the very thought), ever does, that it's simply with the Grysk and NOT the Vong. He'd rewrite them to be what HE wants and change them completely, then justify that by claiming George Lucas _told_ him to do it, lol, what a pathetic little man he is.
I stopped reading thr novels when they introduced the Vong. For me that's when they jumped the shark. If they were going to introduce the Vong, I think they need a serious overhaul. I'd keep their assault on just one system and not make them from another galaxy. Just make them from a planet that used to be owned by a mega corporation that used it as a toxic dumping ground to bypass regulations. Originally the planet was something like Pandora where the lifeforms could connect to one another and the entire planet mutated and they want revenge on the corporation.
I live in the balkans, and Lucas SW felt universal and not location based, whereas Disney SW FEELS like it is set in the US, if that makes sense. I no longer see the story, but the writers.
I reject Andor, not because it “isn’t real Star Wars,” but rather because the rest of what they’ve made had killed whatever interest I have left to deal with this studio. It is an exception to the rule.
My main issue with Star Wars is that when Disney decides to focus on classic Star Wars, they fumble the bag mostly due to it not having good writing or substance but when they focus on non-classic Star Wars, they actually put some effort into it. It makes me a bit mad at the non-classic stuff they do cause they clearly know how to do it right but they keep letting down the fans like me who want both the spectacle and the substance for no reason (and we're stuck waiting for them to try again on vain).
What’s off about the lightsabers is that they’re using LED blades now and they’re doing little to no rotoscoping for the effects. That saves money and time during post, which sacrifices the quality we’re used to seeing in the movies.
Good writing makes sense. I don't think it's too much to ask that people being run through the gut or chest with a lightsaber be at least critically injured if not killed. You can create a live action SW story with lots of spectacle and geared towards kids that doesn't insult anyone's intelligence. In fact, Disney can look with the best of its own or Pixar's animated films to see that (if well written) even young children are quite capable of understanding and appreciating complex themes and situations.
The fans saying that Andor was dull......are the same fans who's attention span is that of 15 garbage YT or Tik Tok videos. It's obvious that KK was on vacation during Andor production and the writers, producers, directors, and actors actually had talent. We got lightsabers and Force usage in Ahsoka but the results were mostly awful excepting the role of Baylan and his apprentice. We also got lightsabers and Force usage in Obi Wan......that no one really wanted, and it broke canon of DV and OWK having faced each other between ROTS and ANH. Add in the ridiculousness of a young Leia......a terrible bad person who was very miscast and to yell her lines and OWK show was trash....excepting Ewan who always gives it his all on the screen. Andor is the only SW series I have rewatched and it's even better the second time around. Full stop.
The difference in the look of the lightsabers is in how they are made. In the movies, they were rotoscoped in. Basically painted in, then animated. In the D+ shows, they are actually using illuminated blades, then cgi enhanced. Oddly enough, the D+ stuff is more realistic in its illumination. Their light is reflected off other bodies and objects.
Disney has it easy.. messy with non effort stories to start and give a lot of cool names from the past and a lot of saber fights.. with just that you will have all the fandom happy and salivating, what to make a good show like andor or the first/second mandalorian seasons for? its easier to use luke for a weekend with grogu, or name leia in another show, or put c3po.. people who want something good with no fanservice have to accept that sometimes along the ways will find something good.. i keep hope in the acolyte, keep rocking man, and stay safe, your videos are really good and senseful
Hey Thor, what do you think about the order in which star wars content is released, i very much believe that if things were released more chronologically then far more stories would have satisfying character arcs and conclusions. E.g - andor season 1&2 before rogue one would make Cassian's death a much better scene, TCW before ROTS would make Anakin's turn far more heartbreaking and the clones "betrayal" for more emotional. pretty much all star wars is told out of order and i think it very much hurts to potential of the stories like the new republic being destroyed, THEN getting NR content, Dooku and Grievous being killed in ROTS, THEN TCW comes out to develop them so we know why its such a big deal they die etc. ofc some things would need to be changed like palpatine's reveal in ep 3 but i just wanted to hear ur thoughts.
1. Hire competent, creative writers who know and appreciate the Star Wars lore. 2. Don't let the clueless management at Disney remove all of these writer's creative ideas.
Time dilation doesn’t happen because they don’t travel at relativistic velocities. Hyperspace allows ships to shortcut between the folds of spacetime without any actual acceleration, “lightspeed” is a slang term.
The lightsabers, Im pretty sure they are now using the dueling grade sabers cosplayers buy and "fight" with, and they dont do a lot of VFX over the top of them. You can actually see the blades flex when they hit each other.
Andor's new creative direction in terms of tone, intrigue, and pacing, would have been received quite well if fans had also been getting good or even "OK" traditional Star Wars. Lacking the latter, many fans had no patience to give a fair chance to former. I'll add that Andor would more likely have broken through if it had been at least a little more action oriented with faster pacing. A "slow burn" is OK, but requires a more suspenseful plot, not just a slowly unfolding plot. There was not enough suspense to justify the slowness of the burn, so to speak. The same basic story, but faster pace with more twists and turns and a bit more action and some comic relief likely would have broken through to the general fan audience. I say this as one who liked Andor a lot -- certainly by far the best Disney Star Wars live action TV show (including Mando seasons 1&2). But it could have been better.
@thorskywalker The Lightsabers are too Tubular instead of Transparent. They have have the opacity too high so they look like nerf bats in glowly paint instead of a visible laser there also a lack of noise around the Lightsaber there not meant to have a pure tube of light its a modulating pulse Like when Vader light his blade in the Rebel show. It hums and the blade isnt a perfect tube to pulses
The only story point of Kenobi was the "re-match" between Obi-Wan and Vader. That was all they talked about and that was what would sell the series. they just don't care about the characters just spectacle.
Hey, Thor. Do you think the Sequels could have worked better if they took place at least a hundred years after the OT? And we get a final holocron/segment in episode 7 of the original cast doing one final hurrah that inspires the new characters and gives them some sort of critical information.
I agree with the OP's question. This is why I accept a show like Andor as being part of Star Wars, because it's something that the franchise desperately needs more than just "laser swords and space wizards" to feel "star wars". I just care if the show is GOOD and fits the mold of Star Wars in how its executed... not if it doesn't have enough references/memberberries to feel "star wars"... that is such a surface level childish way to look at something.
Hey Thor, Fan of the channel, and long time follower of the old EU. I was willing to give Disney a shot but I feel they’ve seriously dropped the ball with the SW IP. What’s worse is that there has been no new additions to the old EU as a result. I always felt that it would have been wiser to fit the new canon AROUND the old EU rather than stamping it out so as to not alienate fans such as myself that had a vested interest in the ongoing stories of the old EU. Do you believe this could have worked with careful writing and dedicated lore specialists steering the ship? Would this have been more profitable? What do you think needs to happen for Disney to concede and start green lighting new stories in the old EU (novels)?
Hey Thor, Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor (given it's a game series) is both spectacle and substance that does feel like Star Wars. At least for Disney era it's better than what they're doing with the shows. Anyway, when you talking about Star Wars EU more and Legacy Comics?
Hey Thor. What would you think about a small, tightly plotted Obi-Wan season 2, that perhaps involved Obi-Wan having to deal with some of the criminal element in Mos Eisley, and showed why he later told Luke about the place, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"? Part of the plot could involve Obi-Wan avoiding the use of his lightsaber in order to prevent outing himself as a Jedi, so the combat scenes could finally display Jedi unarmed combat capabilities and associated force powers - something like some of the Wu Xia Chinese martial arts movies and TV shows (like "Demi-gods and Semi-devils", which you can find here on TH-cam). Maybe it could even introduce us to other types of Force users beyond Jedi and Sith - Maz Kanata seemed to indicate that there were people besides those two groups who used the Force, right? Does that sound like something you'd be interested in?
The Obi-Wan show was what broke my son, he tapped out, he won't watch any Disney Star Wars content now. I'm done too. We are not coming back, not even bothering to hate watch stuff. The new light up saber props they use for filming are terrible. The light effect caused issues with cameras for that Obi-Wan Vader fight so they had to darken the whole scene. As the light sabers are fragile the actors can't go as hard at it either which makes the fights feel off. Anakin vs Ahsoka in TWBW can you clearly see Hayden pulling his swings back a little, partly because his timing was so much better but also so he doesn't break the prop. They need to go back to how they did it in the PT, green metal rods out of the hilt and add the light saber affect in post. I vividly remember seeing Hayden straitening out one of his props in the ROTS BTS footage because he'd hit so hard with it, it had bent.
I could quote it and name all the characters but what’s the point? Andor is fantastically written and is of great quality in every aspect. That’s all that needs to be said about it. There’s been countless breakdowns of it and its brilliance as well.
@@oXRaptorzXo I just find it odd, I didn't critique the show Im sorry I triggered your feelings. But yet you left no quote only backing up what I said. Anyone from my father to random strangers could quote the OT. The force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Do or do not there is try. Like my father before me, Luke, use the force. I don't disagree it was well written, it's just forgettable.
@@jonmorgan7621 I can quote it for days. “One way out.” “What have I sacrificed? Everything!” “Fight the Empire!” And many many more. The thing is, while I named the basic quotes, but of the lines in Andor are pretty complex and while they are memorable the exact wording isn’t.
For me it is sort of a question mark. The first point it needs... Is to be written well. The EU has its good books and its bad books... Everyone remembers the good ones and then pretends the bad books do not exist. A sort of self pruning fandom where profits and quality marks what is allowed to grow and what is allowed to die. Was it messy? Yes, but it worked. As for making it feel Star Wars... It both feels rather broad and yet simple. Good verse Evil at its basics. Then expand for whatever theme or idea. Bad Batch felt like Star Wars to me even if 'in the long run' it meant nothing. It had no Jedi, few important space battles, and even if some parts felt odd... It was generally accepted as a good thing. It told a tale different than the originals, the prequels, or some of the other content, but it felt right and well written. Rebels was a mixed bag... As some of it felt good and other bits felt really off. So despite it having most of the Star Wars bits, lightsabers, good vs evil, rebels verse Empire... I can see why some people didn't agree with it. As for the sequels... It was worse than nothing. You can see that by the lack of anything past it. No books, no comics, no games, no tv shows... It is a black hole that exists and consumes everything that reaches that point in time. Why? Because nobody can make anything from it even if it gets retcon out of existence. Even the fandom focused on the second movie and simply writing a new third movie and a new ending... Rather than write past that event horizon.
The biggest thing that Lucasfilm needs to learn is how to write moral complexities like how Andor and Rogue One did. Dawn of the Jedi would be the perfect outlet for such things
I think Sith should only have yellow eyes so if you use Dark Force powers without the eyes you're not actually a Sith like lightning should make you have the eyes, and I think it would have been more cool of a shot to have Anakin have the yellow eyes when climbing the Jedi Temple stairs or more impactful by slowly turning yellow while choking Padme or immediately after in the next shot of him they're yellow
At the end of the day, Star Wars is an action and adventure series. It doesn't matter how well written the show is or how introspective it's characters are. If there is no action and adventure, people don't really care to watch it. Now if we can get good writing mixed in with the lightsaber duels and gun battles, then you're sitting on a gold mine.
Balance should’ve lasted longer. I think TROS should have done better at explaining things like that. Like they could’ve made it that Rey was protecting the balance Anakin already brought instead of making her bring balance again. Though I guess by TFA that doesn’t work since the Empi- I mean First Order took control of the galaxy. So, I guess balance was kind of doomed from the start. And they could’ve explained the Holdo maneuver by saying that it only works on ships with hyperspace tractors as the technology they use to track ships through hyperspace manipulates the ship around them to be partially in that reality, or something like that. It’s not scientific at all, but in this universe where science isn’t its strong suit anyway it would at least be an in universe explanation that doesn’t contradict things from the past. It’s an easy explanation, and then it makes the new hyperspace tracking technology a strength that has weaknesses making things more interesting. As a fan, I think it’s easy to explain some of the things in the sequels but then the next movie comes along and messes that up. Balance is ruined when they should’ve stayed away from mentioning it altogether, and also should have had the First Order against the New Republic and not a broken Rebel- I mean resistance so that balance could at least be threatened but not something that is lost. It would have been cooler seeing Rey protect the balance. It would be cool knowing how the Holdo maneuver would not be used all the time. It would be cool knowing how Palpatine returned and actually having set up for it, or maybe just not bringing him back at all and doing something new and different having Kylo be the main bad guy who does not get redeemed to make him stand out as a character who was tormented by both sides but solidifies himself into the darkness because he wants to. It was clear that not deep fans of the universe wrote the sequels. Rian Id say is more of a fan, but JJ Abrams definitely was not that deep of a fan and he should never be allowed to write a script ever again. He’s a fine director and producer, as Castle Rock season 2 showed. But he cannot for the life of him make a script. Kathleen Kennedy’s idea for a rehash of the OT and yet pushing for newer characters at the neglect of the legacy characters doomed the sequels from the start. The sequels have good concepts and ideas, and I love a lot of things in them. But the potential they had were wasted and the execution was so poor.
With respect to the lightsabers looking different under Disney vs George Lucas.. The obvious answer is that theyre using neopixel/illuminated/light up sabers vs dowels wrapped in film tape from the OT, or the aluminum rods wrapped in film tape from the PT that get mocked up in post-production. That being said, im so torn. I like that the Disney sabers have more "real world" illumination, the photorealism of using actual practical light cannot be beat by CGI. But i think thats the problem. Its almost "too real". You can tell that its basically a light up plastic stick under there now. whereas before, despite them not looking "photorealistic," lightsabers felt and looked like some almost "magical" or "impossible" weapon. They felt like they looked like a combination of a beam of plasma that has heat and power behind it, a ray of light that looked and moved almost like it was weightless (i know they were actually "heavy" in canon) and almost "unnatural" in the way that it didnt reflect its own light to the degree it should... like it was something thats incompatible with the laws of nature or physics. I dont know if i agree with the characterization the OP made saying they feel "stiff" - because the blades in the OT and PT were, i think, just as "unyielding" in their rigidness. Compare it to animation, where it almost looks like the sabers "bend" as theyre moving (Maul vs Ahsoka in CW s7 was the most "bendy" imo) - which is a whole other debate. But, i think its more that they just look.... More real now. And i like how it looks practically. The lighting IS beautiful. But i dont like it because its not how they "should" look to me. They shouldnt look real. They should look like the impossibility that they actually are "made real". Thats my take. Hope it made sense or even maybe helps people put their finger on why they "dont like them" - even if we dont agree!
Just make a Knights of the Old Republic series, but make each season focus on a different story, like how AHS is.different each season. There are so many content in that era and vastly different timelines.
People need to stop asking for this! One, it's going to take place in Disney Star Wars, not the EU, which means huge changes to accommodate the Disney Star Wars canon. Two, why do you trust these people after all of their constant screw-ups and how horribly they've managed Star Wars?
I agree that things ought to ”feel like” star wars. I can also agree that SW is generally a kids show/marketed to young viewers. But what does “meant for kids” actually mean? Cause you can take ATLA, or many other shounen manga and say they are geared towards young (male) audiences. Even clone wars is a “kids show” But none of these examples make a mockery of story telling or compelling characters. Now yes many mangas have flaws and not all of clone wars/rebels was perfect. But the belief in the audience to understand the story, learn the morals/lessons, yet still be entertaining is the crux of it all. SW is space opera/fantasy, it needs that mystical element. But that doesnt mean it has to water down the story, butcher legacy characters, or destroy the continuity that it comes from-all to sell a “story” that isnt entertaining or coherent. I do want lightsaber clashes, i do want laser gun fights and big ships and high stakes good vs evil. But i also want all of that thru characters that i can respect love and see grow. Kids shows and character are beloved by their target audiences not merely for the “cool” aspect, but because their characters resonate with the audience the growth and attachment is so important. That comes from good story writing. And right there is where all of this needs to circle back to.
I can get over the lightsabers coloring/glow, but how short they are irritates me every time. In the obi wan flashback training duel it looks like they are fighting with daggers.
Hey thor, My theory as to why the lightsabers look off or don't look as good as the movies is that it's intentional. Disney wants the lightsaber in their shows to look more like the lightsaber props patrons can buy at their parks. To incentivize fans to buy the merchandise sabers. They even use the same ones in the shows. Both to save money on visual effects and also to have the same sabers that you can buy Represented on the screen. So fans don't buy a lightsaber and are disappointed that it doesn't look like it does in the movies. So, as real world knock off toys, they are shorter, less vibrant, and lacking the white core and casting glow.
2:15 I think star wars fans want compelling stories with drama, and fun memorable sequences involving characters we like. As well as a more dark space opera tone like revenge of the sith or empire strikes back. The last Jedi ruined the tone of star wars by making the darkest chapter of the trilogy filled with terrible out of place comedy
Think Disney Star Wars lack humor and optimism, as in "default state" Rey have no humor nor is she optimistic, she only is, and Luke is depressed. Have not seen Obi-Wan, but my understanding is that he is miserable, and Andor is a dystopi. Is there any major character that is genuine happy as "default state" ?
Two things that would help Star Wars. They need a more mature animated series and the live action needs to have reasonable budgets and longer seasons. I miss the days when Stargate sg-1 would have 20 episodes in a season.
Wasn't the Tarentatek also something that basically drained and killed Force users? Aren't the Levelers basically the same thing but less Rancor-like? lol Btw my favorite things in Star Wars at this point are probably KOTOR, The Force Unleashed, then episode 3 and The Clone Wars... as you can probably tell, I quite like the spectacle... but also depth. I mean, The Mandlorian Wars should be a series or movie trilogy that basically just ends with Revan finding the Star Forge map and going off to do his own thing. Obviously, not quite the end. Idr how the war ended... but like, the main purpose is to add some spectacular depth to the lore, show some cool action, and re-canonize Revan fully. Not just name a ship after him. Sort of like the most important Easter egg of all time. I don't even think he should be named. And at the time, I think Malak had his jaw. So basically, the mask will be the only clue. They were even Jedi at the time, so no red lightsabers. Basically a "true fans only" moment. But also an important setup for another trilogy or something, potentially... it's sort of like the Thanos scene in Avengers 1... it'll only matter if and when we get to Infinity War... but it'll be cool af for the fans anyway.
You like depth, but TCW dumbs down the EU it touches, and because of Filoni, they were adding EU at a far more rapid rate than George Lucas ever did for his movies, and it hurt the EU because the EU was FORCED to accommodate those changes.
For me, the problem with ANDOR is that I do not see him as an heroic character. As soon as we met him in *Rogue One*, he murders a man. I "understand" it from a situational necessity, but it is not a "good" act from a moral standpoint.
I too am not a fan of the new glow stick lightsabers. While I agree with Disney that lightsabers should have some luminance, they WAY overdid the effect. The Prequels and OT's lightsabers don't light their surroundings, allowing for beautiful moody shots in the Bespin, Throne Room, and Mustafar duels. By contrast, in Kenobi's duels Vaber and Obi-Wan are colored red and blue respectively by their sabers. Personally, I thought this ruined the lighting of those scenes. Disney doesn't need to return to the old stunt sabers but they should tone down the brightness of their prop blades so they aren't so overpowering.
Obi wan would've been better of as a movie or at most like a 2 or 3 episode thing. Take out all the reeva stuff since she was awful and the Leia stuff was pointless. Just have it be obi dealing with the jedi fall out and his mission to look after Luke. You could've had a fight or 2 still with obi protecting Luke from afar.
Note sure how LucasFilms decides what's successful or not. I watched Andor about 3-4 times. It was so well written and acted, it just mesmerized me. Does Disney look at figures for the release day only?
Likely an unpopular opinion but they need to bring back the spectacle and the special feel of Star Wars or just focus on the Andor fans and make Star Wars whatever that is. I've loved SW since seeing the original in 77 when I was a kid gawking up at the screen forgetting I even had popcorn due to the awe it inspired in me. They have tons of stories that could be made. Epic wars with epic Sith to put on screen but they seem to be focused on really boring side quests.
A good story is what matters most, but i do to an extent agree that the ''spectacle''; specifically lightsabers and the force is what makes Star Wars. As great as Andor is, if you applied the same level of writing, character development and dialogue to the Kenobi series and The Book of Boba Fett, they would kind of automatically be better than Andor.
How ironic when Deborah Chow said she was inspired by the Obi-Wan novel by John Jackson Miller, yet she never took notes from it.
The irony is delicious
Maybe she was inspired by its existence lmao
It was a surface level inspiration.
"We have no source material to draw from!"
No, it was inspired by Stuart Beattie. Fun fact, Darth Maul was supposed to be the big bad guy. Glad that didn’t happen; Solo and Rebels completed his story.
One of the main reason we’ve been continuously getting lackluster Star Wars stories at best is because the people in the studios are not interested; They openly or otherwise dislike or aren’t interested in Star Wars and keep bringing in directors who have this open dislike or apathy for Star Wars. So far they still haven’t brought in a director who remotely likes Star Wars. That alone will be a breath of fresh air on its own
I feel like Favreau genuinely likes the property, or at least has tremendous respect for it.
Honestly, Andor did NOT feel like Star Wars to me, but it wasn’t due to a lack of lightsabres or spectacle, it was more to do with the tone and the themes.
That said, judged as a show on its own merit, it was REALLY good, and I liked it a LOT. It’s easily (imo) the best thing Disney has done with the property (though of course that’s a low bar and makes it seem as if I am damning the show with faint praise, which is not my intention).
I think a more introspective Kenobi series would have been absolutely amazing. I envision something that follows Obi-Wan surviving on Tatooine, and follows Vader on his various missions for the Empire in parallel, while the show periodically steps into flashbacks that also parallel what they’re respectively doing.
The focus would be on comparing their lives post-Mustafar and the choices/worldviews that led them to that point. Themes could include reconciling guilt over the past, service vs servitude, resolving conflict, reflection vs rumination, etc.
Always an honor when you pick my comment and i agree, the sequels were not better than nothing. Aside from the EU, leaving the post RoTJ era to my imagination is better than what we got.
Young Jedi Knights is the GOAT. I love me Jacen and Jaina and Tenel Ka and Lowie! And ofc, Anakin and Tahiri and Uldir are great too, in Junior Jedi Knights.
@@saberiandream316honestly the saddest thing is Kyp's story is one of my least favorite there and i still think i would have preffered it to Kylo Ren.
@@michaellane5381 Kyp Durron never appeared in those books, though. O.o
@@saberiandream316 he was in like the first Jedi Academy novel, or the precursor series, and reintroduced as a recurring knight who came back to take padawan on missions or aid Luke.
@@michaellane5381 Well, I wasn't referring to the Jedi Academy Trilogy, I was referring to two completely different book series.
In the prequels they used stunt blades then added the saber effect with computers. In Kenobi they used pixel sabers. The LEDs when recorded produce a blade effect to the pc edited one. Its what created the glow effect. The thing is Disney pixel blades kinda suck. If they used a good neopixel lightsaber the effect wouldve looked far better.
The downside of neopixel and similar designs is that constant hard contacts during the choreography (run repeatedly for multiple takes) has a higher risk of damage to the LEDs. This can produce dead spots in the lighting effect.
The shows also (so far, at least) don't need any of the flashier blade effects. They just need a single solid color and possibly a few basic effects (like ignition and pulse). So they would want to use a different design from neopixel, focused on how the props are used and abused for filming as opposed to cosplay.
Lightsabers have just looked off since Disney. The tip is too rounded, the length and coloured inconsistent, and they looks exactly like a neopixel or proffie saber on camera with no added effects.
I like the way they did it previously with a metal stunt blade and the lightsaber being added in later. With the new sabers the blades don’t blend or slow to reflect blasted shots etc. the blade used to be light in the sense that it looked slow down in super quick motion, now it’s not there anymore….just a light tube.
@empac8631 yeah, it used to look like light locking together, and it still does in the animated shows, but in live action they bounce and it's just weird.
@JoRoq1 exactly. As a collector I love my neopixel lightsabers, but when I watch Star Wars anything I want to see the best looking lightsabers and for that they need to go back to how the prequels did them.
It's a problem that when you're watching Star Wars, the lightsabers literally look like a fan sword fight on TH-cam. It makes them look like glow sticks.
The prequels really got the lightsabers perfect. The lack of glow makes them look more unnatural and unique
I think Ahsoka kind of harms a Vong storyline, since a big part of their story is that they've been traveling for thousands of years. But now you can just pop over to the next galaxy
God, I'd _despise_ it if Filoni came within a million light-years of the Vong, especially with his pet waifu character.
I think the answer is... both.. You need good writing.. but it also needs to FEEL like Star Wars.
You can have variation, but if you just want sci-fi stuff that isn't Star Wars-ey.. then why tell it under the Star Wars IP?
For bait.
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If it's a good story that can fit within Star Wars then why not tell it in the SW universe
@@istari0 Exactly. Feeling like "Star Wars" should be a priority for things directly connected to the main saga storyline (like Rogue One and Kenobi), but purely side stories (like Andor and The Mandalorian) can have the freedom to explore different aspects and approaches.
For BRAND APPEAL. That's the _real_ answer.
@thor have you seen Jenny Nicholsons recent video on the Galactic Starcruiser (Star Wars Hotel)? You’re in for a treat. It’s the most comprehensive review I’ve ever seen of the hotel
I think it’s treating characters and factions/groups like plot devices rather than how they should exist in the universe. This is my biggest issue with how the Mandalorians are treated in Mando season 3. They lacked the complexity that the Mando factions should have had at that point. There should straight up be Mandos who want Bo Katan unalived because of her past actions (including giving up the darksaber to Gideon). Stop using individual characters and groups as a means to move the plot forward. Ask yourself, how would things naturally take place in this galaxy between these variables? Stop trying to come up with a point in the story you want and trying to rush things together.
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There should have been a Mandalorian Civil War between Din’s group and Bo’s group
@@chasehedges6775 I think Din should have been the new Mandalore since he has a knack for diplomacy and badassery in the first two seasons. He’d perfectly fit the archetype of a reluctant ruler. I totally thought they were setting that up when he got the dark saber.
But this is Dave Filoni. Besides Ahsoka, he doesn’t plan things out ahead of time, just on a sloppiness level.
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I love Andor, it's the best Disney had to offer for me. Rogue One was pretty awesome too
I agree. Part of the reason why I love them so much is ironically because I was going into them very pessimistically, making their high quality even more noticeable.
Apparently, the lightsabers nowadays are actually light sticks. In previous Star Wars films there were just sticks and the light and other effects were added after. It seems like with this new tech the CGI artists aren't doing much to lightsabers and just leaving them as is.
They are still covering the lightsaber blades with CGI. Even with tiny LEDs, the high-definition digital cameras and theater/tv screens would show distinctions in the light sources (similar to how a filmed raw tv screen looks). The LEDs do well to provide the surrounding lighting effects, but still need to be visually covered over to look like a solid energy mass.
As another example, look at the Tesseract in the Marvel movies. The real, physical device was a clear cube with a set of bright lights inside, then painted over with CGI to look like it does on screen in post.
Possibly worst of all, is that they bounce on stormtroopers and other lightsabers instead of sticking like they would in the films.
That's on of the big things that make them look off to me. That and that you can see they are a tube. Especially in Kenobi
Even though the CGI the lightsabers, the glow in the surrounding area gives away to the audience that they're just glow sticks. It messes with the immersion
My problem with Andor is the same problem I had with Solo, disney likes doing prequels too much! Andor was a good character in Rogue One, but not this great character that deserved a TV Series! The problem with prequels is that sometimes the people that make them create parts that don't fit with the future of the character! Han Solo is this cocky guy that thinks so highly of himself and his only concern is his reputation and Chewbacca, I'm supposed to believe that the guy in Solo fits that. Look at what they did with Boba Fett! There are a lot of good characters in the Star Wars canon, but Disney keeps making a lot of cheap bootlegs to replace stablished characters! Don't forget about all the ret-conning that "writers", "producers" and "directors" love to do!
Saber problem seems to be they using glowsticks, and add a little glow, where earlier they really put some work into it that made the sabers flicker and look alive..
Correct. They cast too much ambient light on the actors and sets, Obi's blue is too blue and dark, the original was a very light blue. The light is too even and needs a rougher organic flicker. Star Wars was always about the details, these marxist/activists making these now just don't care, they are merely vehicles to sell the 'message'.
For all of their issues, I think the sequels nailed the lightsabers. They weren't oversaturated like what we see nowadays, yet still had an environmental glow to them. I know his was unstable, but they way they did Kylo's was sick lol
@@jameslikesit I much prefer the prequels. The glow is too much even in the sequel movies. They look like glow sticks. It was much better when they didn't really emit colored light
The 12 parsecs Han mentions ANH does refer to distance. As explained in the Solo trilogy from the EU, the Kessel run involved navigating past large group of black holes. Most shop captains took fairly conservative routes staying back from the Black holes and thus increasing their distance traveled. Han, on the other hand, flew the Falcon very close the Black holes and thus completed the run in less than 12 parsecs.
I've never seen the Solo movie, so I can't comment on how they explained it. I would definitely recommend the EU trilogy, having read it several times, because it tells a great back story for Han.
The thing is in Star Wars, or A New Hope if you prefer, the look on Obi WAN’s face after Han says that tells you that he immediately knows Han is lying, which makes sense. He just doesn’t care.
Regarding the lightsabers, they’ve been using neopixel blades for a while now, which is tech that became available in the saber collectible community maybe 8 to 10 years ago. It’s awesome for collectors, choreography, etc., but definitely not on par for theatrical productions. They still do effects in post, but apparently not enough.
I believe they changed the actual prop of the lightsaber, when they started filming with the Volume stage techniques from the Mandalorian.
As you could see in the BTS of the Prequels, they used just thin metal sticks, that facilitated the quick choreography. On the new stages they have the fully lit plastic fiber sabers, all to improve the dynamic lighting from the sabers. But that made them not only look strange but much heavier which is also why the choreography is much worse on the D+ shows.
All the light from the sabers used to be CGI, now they CGI some of it and also work in the actual light in the tube, that also reflects on the actors. Which is why they look strange now.
Obi-Wan acting on his own saving Sabine in The Cline Wars was the Obi-Wan storyI wanted to see in live action. ENERGY, Humor, Sarcasm, Quips, that Episode II attitude. Would’ve been awesome to have temporarily enlisted the help of that 501st trooper.
The Vong are when I just stopped reading the EU, they jumped the shark with them. If they were going to use them, they need a rewrite, I would limit them to a system instead of a galactic war and not come from another galaxy.
I love the Vong.
@@saberiandream316 Careful kid, you might cut yourself on all that edge.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t I'm 36 years old. 🙄
I haven't watched Andor, so I don't know what might lead folks to think it's not "Star Wars". However, if you go to a restaurant that historically served great burgers and you instead get a plate of excellent hamburger steak, you might be a bit confused (even annoyed), regardless of how good the hamburger steak is. You might point out that hamburger is still the main dish, and that it's excellent, but the two are still different experiences. I think that mixing it up isn't a bad thing, but it's understandable that some might feel a bit off-put by the shift, depending on their expectations.
Andor not feeling "Star Wars" is a legitimate thing, but also depends on what it is that makes "Star Wars" for you. There are no Jedi and no epic action battle pieces. Andor brings in difficult moral shades of gray rather than outright Good vs. Evil, to explore what it takes for a person to turn against their beliefs (engaging in espionage, sabotage, theft, assault, murder, and lies) and how far are they willing to go to achieve their goals. The audience is left to consider whether the ends are justifying the means, and that not all the "Bad guys" are necessarily fully "Bad".
Knights of the Old Republic is a video game and it was more in depth than all of these shows and movies.
Well, that was back when Lucasfilm hired people based on their merits and how well they thought they could do, and when they cared about Star Wars. They don't care about it anymore, lol.
@saberiandream316 it wasn't even lucasflim. It was LucasArts who created with passion rather data sheet.
@@bloodysimile4893 Bioware wrote the story. Lucasarts just provided consultation on the aliens, creatures, and planets.
Andor came after Kenobi, right? People didn't watch andor because the disappointment of boba Fett and Kenobi killed the hype momentum for SW TV shows. Same with Solo after TLJ.
With the lightsabers looking weird, yeah I agree. Disney has gotten their look right a few times (the lightsabers look really dang good in TFA and when Luke rescues Grogu), but they usually look short and the colors are washed out. I like to think lightsabers are bright, loud, and have vibrant colors. But there are genuinely times when I can’t tell if a saber blade is supposed to be orange or red and blue or white.
Hey Thor, I also think the answer is both. To a degree, there always needs to be an element of the spectacle & awe of space battles, force powers, and lightsaber duels, but there absolutely needs to be solid storytelling to compliment it. I also think there is plenty of room for more shows like Andor, which explore the broader universe (galaxy), the politics of Star Wars, and the things happening in the background that do not necessarily involve the Jedi. Those shows can still have ties to The Force, and occasional Jedi cameos to help balance things out. On another note, I think that just about the only way for there to be a solid season 2 for Kenobi is to shake up everyone by basically retconning season one as an elaborate dream. Then the season could continue with Obi-Wan wrestling with the meaning of that dream, the events of Mustafar, and practicing his training to commune with Qui-Gon & learning the steps towards being a force ghost. There could also be a potential off-world adventure, but NOT like the one we got involving him MEETING & saving a young Leia. I think A New Hope implies Leia knows of Kenobi, but has never met him, and I think any involvement with Leia should stay true to this notion. Well, I guess that's my $0.02 for now.
Hey Thor...
I am one of the admitted few who liked the Kenobi show. There was a lot of promise that they certainly missed out on, and a lot of stuff that they didn't need. Firstly, Reva could have been a good villain if they didn't tie her backstory into some kind of revenge hunt on Vader. Had she just been a mean-ass Inquisitor, it would have been fine. I don't need her backstory. Another missed opportunity that they did set up is Luke showing his first Force usage. Owen told Obi Wan that he didn't care how Luke was doing, he wanted to know if he was "showing". I think it would have been a perfect time for Luke to use his first Force power (Force speed) when he was running from Reva. He would have been so scared, he wouldn't have even realized how fast he was running... And if Flea made it more evident that they were just toying with, and trying to horrify Leia (being bullies) when they "couldn't catch her"... Those small adjustments, along with Owen shooting Reva in the head at the end, would have made the story a good one. What do you think?
I get that you like it, and that's fine. But what you're essentially saying is: it would have been good if it were better. Not to mention that, for many that didn't like the show (including me), there many more and worse problems than just those
@@SuicV You must fall into that Non-Star Wars Andor camp... that's fine if you like being bored to death with no action and no SW stuff. Good for you bro!
@@JoeVulgamoreAuthor It says a lot that you decided to try and attack me in an unrelated topic, based on a random assumption, and even more so considering I was stating my opinion in a non-confrontative manner
@@SuicV I'm sorry you felt attacked. You were not. Had I attacked you, it would be quite evident and easily recognized. In fact, it was YOU who came on here judging my opinion. You made no attempt to start a discussion. You flat out ragged my opinion. If you can't handle a mild response such as I provided to you, in relation to how you answered me, then your skin is very thin and you have a victim mentality.
I have to disagree with you there Thor, Andor is not Star Wars, not because it's lacking the Force, Jedi vs. Sith, the Skywalkers, and Blasters, contrary to the popular belief, it is because that is completely devoid of the flavor, the charm, and dare I say, iconography that the films came before. We already know the fate of that guy, along with the loser bandits.
But I should not hold it against you for getting a kick out of it. I wish I could be optimistic, but given that Bob Iger company and Kennedyfilm have zero regards to continuity and mismanagement of these franchises, they will always appease the wrong crowd, there is no denying that.
Generous of you to allow someone to have a differing opinion to your own, and to not hold it against them.
As for the low Andor viewership: There are two kinds of entertainment.
First, there’s bowling night; happens every Thursday, and it wouldn’t be bowling night without all the shenanigans you and your friends get up to.
Then, there’s the exotic vacation; an opportunity you might only experience once or twice in your life, but that’s okay - better, even. The experience sticks with you for the rest of your life, and you always remember it fondly.
Andor is the latter of the two.
OH MAN I FORGOT I WROTE THAT COMMENT sorry for my comment being all over the place I could have written that better 😅
Never drink and comment. 😂
But, seriously, it was perfectly understandable.
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I really agree with this, I think the frustrating part of andor is when you're doing this type of show inside of the timeline between the clone wars to the first order timeline. You can't really tell an interchanging story on a grand scale so much if that makes sense? Simply because other movies get in the way and I think that, that in itself can be a death sentence for some of these series as they're in a timeline where nothing can be super head spinning because it's on guard rails story wise. I think that's why andor has so much backlash I could totally be wrong on that just my opinion
@MCsCreations Good to hear 😅 honestly I was just in the middle of an adhd mania moment if I remember 😂
@MCsCreations Where's the fun in that?
@@chrischaplin3126 Good point!
I think we covered the lightsabers in a chat once. They have switched to onset LED blades and I want to say additionally effect them post. The Roto-Scope technique is no longer used.
Who else would like to See Thor do a Long form video once a week or so. Like Podcast level, 2 hours of talking about Star Wars and other IPs?
I can't get through two hour podcasts I tried but man I think it's just too much, but that's me.
@@Deuteromis For me it really depends on the topic, I do 3 to 4 hours without realizing it and have downed 6-8 hour ones on long days or art or travel.
Just give us new EU as Legends, Lucasfilm. Don't keep taking pieces of the EU, chopping it up, slicing it into the context of your continuity, and act as if you've done us a huge favor, that it's a "triumphant return" of something we loved. It's not that same and you know it because of how much you've changed. Really, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp! That Lucasfilm consistently fails at this shows how incompetent they are. Or how malicious they are, since they never have any intention of doing something for the EU fans, because of the goodwill that it still holds in the community, they merely weaponize the EU for their talking points as a way to try and generate good PR for themselves. It is callous and dismissive and ruthlessly ignores the most loyal of Star Wars fans, one of the biggest tragedies of the Disney Star Wars era.
no, they would f it up anyway
Regards the lightsabers i think it's cause they actually use glowing sticks now, it's just one light-stick now, and the visual effects department don't seem to be actually adding in the visual on the light for the "lightsaber" much. It's like they're just relying solely on the light-stick the actors are given to use now.
I agree about these Disney+ starwars shows lacking real substance. Remember that scene where Luke heads to the garage part of the homestead in ANH checking for the Droids, and you hear that little "Hope" starwars theme tune, it's just very subtle. It feels exciting abit, i want these shows (and the movies) to get back to the exact same feel that little part in ANH with that music gave me. That's *Star Wars* to me; it's hard to explain in words, but i miss that feeling.
Hey Thor, quick hypothetical scenario just for fun: a Star Wars project drops tomorrow and you magically get to decide what it is. Is it a TV series, a standalone film, or the beginning of a trilogy? What is the basic story of it? And is it done in the style of the Original Trilogy, Prequels, or Andor?
Thanks for all the content.
Yes, the ST was a net negative for SW, as was Kenobi. SW would be better off if they never existed. Much of the other Disney/Lucasfilm SW content has been mediocre at best and its failure to live up to the standards established early on also serves to diminish the brand. As of yet, there is no sign of things being turned around.
If anything, it looks to be getting worse with time.
Hey Thor, nice to see another Asgardian. My issue with Andor is that it looks, visually like Star Wars, but it feels like something else. It feels like Star Wars for someone who doesn't like or care for Star Wars.
I definitely would love to see Bothans in live action !!!
Hey Thor! What's your opinion on the First Order? I think the only good thing in the sequels was the First Order in The Force Awakens. It was similar to the Empire, so people still recognized stormtroopers, TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers, etc and could relive the OG triology in a new way. In my opinion it was reasonable in-universe that a new "empire" will rise after the New Republic, and as once you said, this is a cycle, there will always be good guys ruling, then an evil empire ruling, Star Wars history repeats itself. Then in The Last Jedi, everything changed, the First Order used awful tactics, got a dreadnought shot down by some old bombers, General Hux turned into a joke, rather than a determined strong leader, the whole Snoke thing was awful. The Rise Of Skywalker made it much worse with Hux being the "spy", and the First Order just suddently turned into the Last Order because they said so, and then they made a star destroyer that was bigger and stronger, just to launch them into a cool space battle with horses and horrible tactics, the once First Order turned into laughable bad guys that only existed to make the good guys win. What do you think?
With the sabers I honestly feel that they used the kinds of sabers you get from saber masters and just used them as is no special effects added.
I agree with you that something more introspective would have been great. I would have liked to see Obi Wan struggle with his conscience about what happened to Anakin, Padme, losing Satine and the failures of the Jedi. All while watching over Luke from afar.
Imagine it’s both aesthetically appealing and well written 🤯🤯 seems like a no brainer for Disney. Weird it’s one or the other versus two sides of the same coin!
Hey Thor:
I have a question about the light and dark side crossing so to speak. It's well established that when a Jedi thinks that they do what I would call a 'darkside gambit' and become a Sith for what they believe to be a greater purpose (Luke and Jacen in the EU, Revan, Dooku, etc.) that it will turn out badly and backfire, as they will lose themselves to it, no matter how careful they are. However, what do you think would happen if a sith tried a 'lightside gambit'? That being that they 'joined' the lightside, took on the outward appearance of a jedi in order to get people to trust them, work their way up in the order and take control of it for their own self-interest.
Such a character would commit acts that would seem virtuous, and even genuinely help people, follow the Jedi code to an absolute tee, only use lightside powers, teach an apprentice, etc. all in the name of gaining a high rank in the order. After gaining 'hard' power and 'soft' power as well as everyone's trust, the character would then exploit all this for their personal gain. Would such a power move work, or would it somehow backfire as well? Would the character lose the drive to go through with it after so much exposure to the lightside? Would the other Jedi eventually feel their dark energy, thusly uncovering them? Would a darksider just have too hard a time hiding their true intent from those so connected to the force? Or would they just eventually slip up and commit a dark act, blowing their own cover?
I feel that this would be an interesting concept to explore.
I think the reason why the Disney Plus lightsabers look off compared to the movie ones is because they use physical blades with LED lights rather than colored metal poles that they used in the movies. The metal poles were drawn over and animated in post to create the lightsaber effect and could be probably be tweaked to make things look more natural as needed. This is also probably why the lighting and blade length look off in some scenes using the LED ones, they're just using what's actually in the footage, and if it looks off based on the perspective of the camera or for any other reason, there's not much that can be done.
I think if Andor has some force users in it, most of those nay-sayers would end up digging it to some degree. I think it's short-sightedness that keeps them from seeing the deeper themes that it wrestles with in SW even though it also draws from other sci-fi in various ways as well.
If TG had made Kenobi...now that is something I need a 'Sliders' portal to go check out...
Same on the lightsaber stuff as well it bugs the shit out of me 👀
Also when it came to how long it takes to travel through lightspeed I think it was Kennedy who said they just let the writers decide that.
Absolutely… and because the depth of stories these shows feel like nothing happens from episode to episode… if you edit a big pile of nothing into 8 small piles of nothing… it feels like even more nothing… does that makes any sense?
I think the Grysk and whatever theyre supposedly planning in the 2nd new galaxy might be a sort of canon version of the Vong.. maybe setting something up for the post sequel era
I'm okay with them taking inspiration from the Vong when adapting the Grysk into Disney Star Wars stories. I'd also prefer that if Filoni, who's been asking to do something with the Vong for _years_ (I cringe at the very thought), ever does, that it's simply with the Grysk and NOT the Vong. He'd rewrite them to be what HE wants and change them completely, then justify that by claiming George Lucas _told_ him to do it, lol, what a pathetic little man he is.
The Yuuzahn Vong would be PERFECT!
No. Just no. The Vong are a classic example of grimderp being mistaken for depth, and overcompensation of supposedly "kiddy" franchise.
Maybe we need a little dark, tbh.
Star Wars is everyone, not just kids, man.
The Grysk don't seem as intimidating as the Yuuzhan Vong.
I stopped reading thr novels when they introduced the Vong. For me that's when they jumped the shark. If they were going to introduce the Vong, I think they need a serious overhaul.
I'd keep their assault on just one system and not make them from another galaxy. Just make them from a planet that used to be owned by a mega corporation that used it as a toxic dumping ground to bypass regulations. Originally the planet was something like Pandora where the lifeforms could connect to one another and the entire planet mutated and they want revenge on the corporation.
I live in the balkans, and Lucas SW felt universal and not location based, whereas Disney SW FEELS like it is set in the US, if that makes sense. I no longer see the story, but the writers.
I reject Andor, not because it “isn’t real Star Wars,” but rather because the rest of what they’ve made had killed whatever interest I have left to deal with this studio. It is an exception to the rule.
Yes, I think if Star Wars had been in better favor , Andor would have had higher viewership
My main issue with Star Wars is that when Disney decides to focus on classic Star Wars, they fumble the bag mostly due to it not having good writing or substance but when they focus on non-classic Star Wars, they actually put some effort into it.
It makes me a bit mad at the non-classic stuff they do cause they clearly know how to do it right but they keep letting down the fans like me who want both the spectacle and the substance for no reason (and we're stuck waiting for them to try again on vain).
What’s off about the lightsabers is that they’re using LED blades now and they’re doing little to no rotoscoping for the effects. That saves money and time during post, which sacrifices the quality we’re used to seeing in the movies.
Lore! Lore! Thor, cover more lore questions!
Good writing makes sense. I don't think it's too much to ask that people being run through the gut or chest with a lightsaber be at least critically injured if not killed. You can create a live action SW story with lots of spectacle and geared towards kids that doesn't insult anyone's intelligence. In fact, Disney can look with the best of its own or Pixar's animated films to see that (if well written) even young children are quite capable of understanding and appreciating complex themes and situations.
The fans saying that Andor was dull......are the same fans who's attention span is that of 15 garbage YT or Tik Tok videos. It's obvious that KK was on vacation during Andor production and the writers, producers, directors, and actors actually had talent.
We got lightsabers and Force usage in Ahsoka but the results were mostly awful excepting the role of Baylan and his apprentice.
We also got lightsabers and Force usage in Obi Wan......that no one really wanted, and it broke canon of DV and OWK having faced each other between ROTS and ANH. Add in the ridiculousness of a young Leia......a terrible bad person who was very miscast and to yell her lines and OWK show was trash....excepting Ewan who always gives it his all on the screen.
Andor is the only SW series I have rewatched and it's even better the second time around. Full stop.
The difference in the look of the lightsabers is in how they are made. In the movies, they were rotoscoped in. Basically painted in, then animated. In the D+ shows, they are actually using illuminated blades, then cgi enhanced. Oddly enough, the D+ stuff is more realistic in its illumination. Their light is reflected off other bodies and objects.
Disney has it easy.. messy with non effort stories to start and give a lot of cool names from the past and a lot of saber fights.. with just that you will have all the fandom happy and salivating, what to make a good show like andor or the first/second mandalorian seasons for? its easier to use luke for a weekend with grogu, or name leia in another show, or put c3po.. people who want something good with no fanservice have to accept that sometimes along the ways will find something good.. i keep hope in the acolyte, keep rocking man, and stay safe, your videos are really good and senseful
It's so lazy, it amazes me they could be so arrogant that they hate and dismiss the low-IQ audience who keeps them in business.
Hey Thor, what do you think about the order in which star wars content is released, i very much believe that if things were released more chronologically then far more stories would have satisfying character arcs and conclusions. E.g - andor season 1&2 before rogue one would make Cassian's death a much better scene, TCW before ROTS would make Anakin's turn far more heartbreaking and the clones "betrayal" for more emotional. pretty much all star wars is told out of order and i think it very much hurts to potential of the stories like the new republic being destroyed, THEN getting NR content, Dooku and Grievous being killed in ROTS, THEN TCW comes out to develop them so we know why its such a big deal they die etc. ofc some things would need to be changed like palpatine's reveal in ep 3 but i just wanted to hear ur thoughts.
1. Hire competent, creative writers who know and appreciate the Star Wars lore.
2. Don't let the clueless management at Disney remove all of these writer's creative ideas.
Time dilation doesn’t happen because they don’t travel at relativistic velocities. Hyperspace allows ships to shortcut between the folds of spacetime without any actual acceleration, “lightspeed” is a slang term.
Number 1! Number 1!!!
The lightsabers, Im pretty sure they are now using the dueling grade sabers cosplayers buy and "fight" with, and they dont do a lot of VFX over the top of them. You can actually see the blades flex when they hit each other.
Andor's new creative direction in terms of tone, intrigue, and pacing, would have been received quite well if fans had also been getting good or even "OK" traditional Star Wars. Lacking the latter, many fans had no patience to give a fair chance to former. I'll add that Andor would more likely have broken through if it had been at least a little more action oriented with faster pacing. A "slow burn" is OK, but requires a more suspenseful plot, not just a slowly unfolding plot. There was not enough suspense to justify the slowness of the burn, so to speak. The same basic story, but faster pace with more twists and turns and a bit more action and some comic relief likely would have broken through to the general fan audience. I say this as one who liked Andor a lot -- certainly by far the best Disney Star Wars live action TV show (including Mando seasons 1&2). But it could have been better.
@thorskywalker The Lightsabers are too Tubular instead of Transparent. They have have the opacity too high so they look like nerf bats in glowly paint instead of a visible laser there also a lack of noise around the Lightsaber there not meant to have a pure tube of light its a modulating pulse Like when Vader light his blade in the Rebel show. It hums and the blade isnt a perfect tube to pulses
The only story point of Kenobi was the "re-match" between Obi-Wan and Vader. That was all they talked about and that was what would sell the series. they just don't care about the characters just spectacle.
Hey, Thor.
Do you think the Sequels could have worked better if they took place at least a hundred years after the OT? And we get a final holocron/segment in episode 7 of the original cast doing one final hurrah that inspires the new characters and gives them some sort of critical information.
I agree with the OP's question. This is why I accept a show like Andor as being part of Star Wars, because it's something that the franchise desperately needs more than just "laser swords and space wizards" to feel "star wars". I just care if the show is GOOD and fits the mold of Star Wars in how its executed... not if it doesn't have enough references/memberberries to feel "star wars"... that is such a surface level childish way to look at something.
*time dilation applies when speed is approaching light-speed.
Warp speed/FTL travel is a whole different thing entirely.
Hey Thor,
Fan of the channel, and long time follower of the old EU. I was willing to give Disney a shot but I feel they’ve seriously dropped the ball with the SW IP. What’s worse is that there has been no new additions to the old EU as a result.
I always felt that it would have been wiser to fit the new canon AROUND the old EU rather than stamping it out so as to not alienate fans such as myself that had a vested interest in the ongoing stories of the old EU. Do you believe this could have worked with careful writing and dedicated lore specialists steering the ship? Would this have been more profitable? What do you think needs to happen for Disney to concede and start green lighting new stories in the old EU (novels)?
Hey Thor, Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor (given it's a game series) is both spectacle and substance that does feel like Star Wars. At least for Disney era it's better than what they're doing with the shows.
Anyway, when you talking about Star Wars EU more and Legacy Comics?
Hey Thor. What would you think about a small, tightly plotted Obi-Wan season 2, that perhaps involved Obi-Wan having to deal with some of the criminal element in Mos Eisley, and showed why he later told Luke about the place, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"? Part of the plot could involve Obi-Wan avoiding the use of his lightsaber in order to prevent outing himself as a Jedi, so the combat scenes could finally display Jedi unarmed combat capabilities and associated force powers - something like some of the Wu Xia Chinese martial arts movies and TV shows (like "Demi-gods and Semi-devils", which you can find here on TH-cam). Maybe it could even introduce us to other types of Force users beyond Jedi and Sith - Maz Kanata seemed to indicate that there were people besides those two groups who used the Force, right? Does that sound like something you'd be interested in?
Mandalorian S1 and S2, Andor and Rogue one have been good but that’s it.
Ahsoka I thought was good personally.
You're excluded the animated shows why exactly?
@@ct-1177 Perhaps because Filoni was never as great as legions of deluded fanboys think he is.
@@saberiandream316 I can sense the disrespect to me
The Obi-Wan show was what broke my son, he tapped out, he won't watch any Disney Star Wars content now. I'm done too. We are not coming back, not even bothering to hate watch stuff. The new light up saber props they use for filming are terrible. The light effect caused issues with cameras for that Obi-Wan Vader fight so they had to darken the whole scene. As the light sabers are fragile the actors can't go as hard at it either which makes the fights feel off. Anakin vs Ahsoka in TWBW can you clearly see Hayden pulling his swings back a little, partly because his timing was so much better but also so he doesn't break the prop. They need to go back to how they did it in the PT, green metal rods out of the hilt and add the light saber affect in post. I vividly remember seeing Hayden straitening out one of his props in the ROTS BTS footage because he'd hit so hard with it, it had bent.
I find it odd everyone says Andor is so well written, but no one ever quotes the show or names of the characters?
I could quote it and name all the characters but what’s the point? Andor is fantastically written and is of great quality in every aspect. That’s all that needs to be said about it. There’s been countless breakdowns of it and its brilliance as well.
@@oXRaptorzXo I just find it odd, I didn't critique the show Im sorry I triggered your feelings. But yet you left no quote only backing up what I said. Anyone from my father to random strangers could quote the OT. The force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Do or do not there is try. Like my father before me, Luke, use the force. I don't disagree it was well written, it's just forgettable.
@@jonmorgan7621 I can quote it for days. “One way out.” “What have I sacrificed? Everything!” “Fight the Empire!” And many many more. The thing is, while I named the basic quotes, but of the lines in Andor are pretty complex and while they are memorable the exact wording isn’t.
PRISM's Star Wars fan stories are amazing. The Kenobi stuff is blowing my mind.
For me it is sort of a question mark.
The first point it needs... Is to be written well.
The EU has its good books and its bad books... Everyone remembers the good ones and then pretends the bad books do not exist.
A sort of self pruning fandom where profits and quality marks what is allowed to grow and what is allowed to die.
Was it messy? Yes, but it worked.
As for making it feel Star Wars... It both feels rather broad and yet simple.
Good verse Evil at its basics. Then expand for whatever theme or idea.
Bad Batch felt like Star Wars to me even if 'in the long run' it meant nothing.
It had no Jedi, few important space battles, and even if some parts felt odd... It was generally accepted as a good thing.
It told a tale different than the originals, the prequels, or some of the other content, but it felt right and well written.
Rebels was a mixed bag... As some of it felt good and other bits felt really off.
So despite it having most of the Star Wars bits, lightsabers, good vs evil, rebels verse Empire... I can see why some people didn't agree with it.
As for the sequels... It was worse than nothing.
You can see that by the lack of anything past it.
No books, no comics, no games, no tv shows... It is a black hole that exists and consumes everything that reaches that point in time.
Why? Because nobody can make anything from it even if it gets retcon out of existence.
Even the fandom focused on the second movie and simply writing a new third movie and a new ending... Rather than write past that event horizon.
The biggest thing that Lucasfilm needs to learn is how to write moral complexities like how Andor and Rogue One did. Dawn of the Jedi would be the perfect outlet for such things
Next thing you'll know, they'll botch it up, don't get your hopes up.
@@mazkeraid4039 I’m cautiously optimistic, but I’m also prepared to be disappointed
We already have the perfect story from Jon Ostrander. That will always be Dawn of the Jedi to me, not Lucasfilm's crap to try and bury the EU.
@@saberiandream316 I’ve not read those books yet
I think Sith should only have yellow eyes so if you use Dark Force powers without the eyes you're not actually a Sith like lightning should make you have the eyes, and I think it would have been more cool of a shot to have Anakin have the yellow eyes when climbing the Jedi Temple stairs or more impactful by slowly turning yellow while choking Padme or immediately after in the next shot of him they're yellow
At the end of the day, Star Wars is an action and adventure series. It doesn't matter how well written the show is or how introspective it's characters are. If there is no action and adventure, people don't really care to watch it.
Now if we can get good writing mixed in with the lightsaber duels and gun battles, then you're sitting on a gold mine.
Balance should’ve lasted longer. I think TROS should have done better at explaining things like that. Like they could’ve made it that Rey was protecting the balance Anakin already brought instead of making her bring balance again. Though I guess by TFA that doesn’t work since the Empi- I mean First Order took control of the galaxy. So, I guess balance was kind of doomed from the start. And they could’ve explained the Holdo maneuver by saying that it only works on ships with hyperspace tractors as the technology they use to track ships through hyperspace manipulates the ship around them to be partially in that reality, or something like that. It’s not scientific at all, but in this universe where science isn’t its strong suit anyway it would at least be an in universe explanation that doesn’t contradict things from the past. It’s an easy explanation, and then it makes the new hyperspace tracking technology a strength that has weaknesses making things more interesting. As a fan, I think it’s easy to explain some of the things in the sequels but then the next movie comes along and messes that up. Balance is ruined when they should’ve stayed away from mentioning it altogether, and also should have had the First Order against the New Republic and not a broken Rebel- I mean resistance so that balance could at least be threatened but not something that is lost. It would have been cooler seeing Rey protect the balance. It would be cool knowing how the Holdo maneuver would not be used all the time. It would be cool knowing how Palpatine returned and actually having set up for it, or maybe just not bringing him back at all and doing something new and different having Kylo be the main bad guy who does not get redeemed to make him stand out as a character who was tormented by both sides but solidifies himself into the darkness because he wants to. It was clear that not deep fans of the universe wrote the sequels. Rian Id say is more of a fan, but JJ Abrams definitely was not that deep of a fan and he should never be allowed to write a script ever again. He’s a fine director and producer, as Castle Rock season 2 showed. But he cannot for the life of him make a script. Kathleen Kennedy’s idea for a rehash of the OT and yet pushing for newer characters at the neglect of the legacy characters doomed the sequels from the start. The sequels have good concepts and ideas, and I love a lot of things in them. But the potential they had were wasted and the execution was so poor.
With respect to the lightsabers looking different under Disney vs George Lucas..
The obvious answer is that theyre using neopixel/illuminated/light up sabers vs dowels wrapped in film tape from the OT, or the aluminum rods wrapped in film tape from the PT that get mocked up in post-production.
That being said, im so torn. I like that the Disney sabers have more "real world" illumination, the photorealism of using actual practical light cannot be beat by CGI.
But i think thats the problem. Its almost "too real". You can tell that its basically a light up plastic stick under there now.
whereas before, despite them not looking "photorealistic," lightsabers felt and looked like some almost "magical" or "impossible" weapon. They felt like they looked like a combination of a beam of plasma that has heat and power behind it, a ray of light that looked and moved almost like it was weightless (i know they were actually "heavy" in canon) and almost "unnatural" in the way that it didnt reflect its own light to the degree it should... like it was something thats incompatible with the laws of nature or physics.
I dont know if i agree with the characterization the OP made saying they feel "stiff" - because the blades in the OT and PT were, i think, just as "unyielding" in their rigidness. Compare it to animation, where it almost looks like the sabers "bend" as theyre moving (Maul vs Ahsoka in CW s7 was the most "bendy" imo) - which is a whole other debate. But, i think its more that they just look.... More real now. And i like how it looks practically. The lighting IS beautiful. But i dont like it because its not how they "should" look to me. They shouldnt look real. They should look like the impossibility that they actually are "made real".
Thats my take. Hope it made sense or even maybe helps people put their finger on why they "dont like them" - even if we dont agree!
I could forgive how they look it they were lethal again. No more surviving lightsaber stabs
Just make a Knights of the Old Republic series, but make each season focus on a different story, like how AHS is.different each season. There are so many content in that era and vastly different timelines.
People need to stop asking for this! One, it's going to take place in Disney Star Wars, not the EU, which means huge changes to accommodate the Disney Star Wars canon. Two, why do you trust these people after all of their constant screw-ups and how horribly they've managed Star Wars?
I agree that things ought to ”feel like” star wars. I can also agree that SW is generally a kids show/marketed to young viewers. But what does “meant for kids” actually mean?
Cause you can take ATLA, or many other shounen manga and say they are geared towards young (male) audiences. Even clone wars is a “kids show”
But none of these examples make a mockery of story telling or compelling characters. Now yes many mangas have flaws and not all of clone wars/rebels was perfect. But the belief in the audience to understand the story, learn the morals/lessons, yet still be entertaining is the crux of it all.
SW is space opera/fantasy, it needs that mystical element. But that doesnt mean it has to water down the story, butcher legacy characters, or destroy the continuity that it comes from-all to sell a “story” that isnt entertaining or coherent.
I do want lightsaber clashes, i do want laser gun fights and big ships and high stakes good vs evil. But i also want all of that thru characters that i can respect love and see grow.
Kids shows and character are beloved by their target audiences not merely for the “cool” aspect, but because their characters resonate with the audience the growth and attachment is so important.
That comes from good story writing. And right there is where all of this needs to circle back to.
I can get over the lightsabers coloring/glow, but how short they are irritates me every time. In the obi wan flashback training duel it looks like they are fighting with daggers.
Hidetaka Miyazaki writing for Star Wars would be a dream come true 😂
Give me a good Star Wars Rom-Com just to show that anything could work in Star Wars if it’s written well!
Hey thor,
My theory as to why the lightsabers look off or don't look as good as the movies is that it's intentional. Disney wants the lightsaber in their shows to look more like the lightsaber props patrons can buy at their parks. To incentivize fans to buy the merchandise sabers. They even use the same ones in the shows. Both to save money on visual effects and also to have the same sabers that you can buy Represented on the screen. So fans don't buy a lightsaber and are disappointed that it doesn't look like it does in the movies. So, as real world knock off toys, they are shorter, less vibrant, and lacking the white core and casting glow.
I agree that Andor was a masterpiece.
2:15 I think star wars fans want compelling stories with drama, and fun memorable sequences involving characters we like. As well as a more dark space opera tone like revenge of the sith or empire strikes back. The last Jedi ruined the tone of star wars by making the darkest chapter of the trilogy filled with terrible out of place comedy
Think Disney Star Wars lack humor and optimism, as in "default state" Rey have no humor nor is she optimistic, she only is, and Luke is depressed. Have not seen Obi-Wan, but my understanding is that he is miserable, and Andor is a dystopi. Is there any major character that is genuine happy as "default state" ?
Two things that would help Star Wars. They need a more mature animated series and the live action needs to have reasonable budgets and longer seasons. I miss the days when Stargate sg-1 would have 20 episodes in a season.
Wasn't the Tarentatek also something that basically drained and killed Force users? Aren't the Levelers basically the same thing but less Rancor-like? lol
Btw my favorite things in Star Wars at this point are probably KOTOR, The Force Unleashed, then episode 3 and The Clone Wars... as you can probably tell, I quite like the spectacle... but also depth. I mean, The Mandlorian Wars should be a series or movie trilogy that basically just ends with Revan finding the Star Forge map and going off to do his own thing. Obviously, not quite the end. Idr how the war ended... but like, the main purpose is to add some spectacular depth to the lore, show some cool action, and re-canonize Revan fully. Not just name a ship after him. Sort of like the most important Easter egg of all time. I don't even think he should be named. And at the time, I think Malak had his jaw. So basically, the mask will be the only clue. They were even Jedi at the time, so no red lightsabers. Basically a "true fans only" moment. But also an important setup for another trilogy or something, potentially... it's sort of like the Thanos scene in Avengers 1... it'll only matter if and when we get to Infinity War... but it'll be cool af for the fans anyway.
You like depth, but TCW dumbs down the EU it touches, and because of Filoni, they were adding EU at a far more rapid rate than George Lucas ever did for his movies, and it hurt the EU because the EU was FORCED to accommodate those changes.
For me, the problem with ANDOR is that I do not see him as an heroic character. As soon as we met him in *Rogue One*, he murders a man.
I "understand" it from a situational necessity, but it is not a "good" act from a moral standpoint.
I too am not a fan of the new glow stick lightsabers. While I agree with Disney that lightsabers should have some luminance, they WAY overdid the effect. The Prequels and OT's lightsabers don't light their surroundings, allowing for beautiful moody shots in the Bespin, Throne Room, and Mustafar duels. By contrast, in Kenobi's duels Vaber and Obi-Wan are colored red and blue respectively by their sabers. Personally, I thought this ruined the lighting of those scenes. Disney doesn't need to return to the old stunt sabers but they should tone down the brightness of their prop blades so they aren't so overpowering.
Obi wan would've been better of as a movie or at most like a 2 or 3 episode thing. Take out all the reeva stuff since she was awful and the Leia stuff was pointless. Just have it be obi dealing with the jedi fall out and his mission to look after Luke. You could've had a fight or 2 still with obi protecting Luke from afar.
Note sure how LucasFilms decides what's successful or not. I watched Andor about 3-4 times. It was so well written and acted, it just mesmerized me. Does Disney look at figures for the release day only?
Likely an unpopular opinion but they need to bring back the spectacle and the special feel of Star Wars or just focus on the Andor fans and make Star Wars whatever that is. I've loved SW since seeing the original in 77 when I was a kid gawking up at the screen forgetting I even had popcorn due to the awe it inspired in me. They have tons of stories that could be made. Epic wars with epic Sith to put on screen but they seem to be focused on really boring side quests.
Start Wars should follow the Legend of Zelda approach. Similar conflict loosely connected one main hero per era.
12:55 Oh God that would have been way worse.
A good story is what matters most, but i do to an extent agree that the ''spectacle''; specifically lightsabers and the force is what makes Star Wars.
As great as Andor is, if you applied the same level of writing, character development and dialogue to the Kenobi series and The Book of Boba Fett, they would kind of automatically be better than Andor.