I love taking Leena around from beginning to end. I wish Chrono Cross explored her relationship with Serge a bit more. The possibility of her developing feelings for an alternate universe version of the childhood friend she never had -- and an innate competitiveness and jealousy she'd subsequently feel against Home Universe's Leena -- would have been interesting topics to explore.
Great video! My favorite character is Radius. I know he's not the best, but I really like mentor characters, and playing with mid-tiers is usually more fun for me.
Leena's strength in the game suggests she might have been intended to play a larger role in the story, but for whatever reason the devs chose not to pursue it. Perhaps due to money and time constraints.
@@Lennis01 Theres a fan theory that says that Leena is the daughter (or Grand-daughter) of chrono. Based on the color of hair and the fact that Guardia was destroyed by Porre forcing Chrono to (supousedly) flee the country. I repeat though, its a fan theory.
@@alfredobelloni3258 I would say it's much more than a fan theory. It makes complete sense. Crono's hair. Marle's eyes. Insanely strong magic. A birth year of 1004, making Crono and Marle around 20 when she's born. Guardia sacked. Miguel a god-tier swordsman who seems to know everything when you meet him. Una looking nothing like Leena. No trace of Marle at all, suggesting she didn't survive Guardia's sacking. (Dalton kills Marle with the Masamune, which causes the weapon to become cursed.) As far as I'm concerned, it's as good as canon since it fits together so well. Likely the only reason this wasn't written into the story was because they wanted EVERYTHING to revolve around Serge, and a storyarc about an exiled princess, even if she wasn't the main character, would have felt too trope. If so, it was a massive missed opportunity. People love the world of Chrono because of its rich ensemble of interesting characters (a bit too many in the case of Cross). Consider a situation where the only way to break the curse on the Masamune is for the right person to forgive the spirits who were forced to commit murder, and who better than the child of the person who died? Also consider that Leena would certainly take pity on child-spirits and would want to protect them from any further harm. What if LEENA was the character who ultimately ends up with the Masamune instead of Serge? Would this undermine Serge's story or complement it? It is shown at the beginning and end of Chrono Cross that Serge and Leena's relationship, if not exactly romantic, is kind of a big deal, so both characters should be people of some importance to the overall mythos. Leena's elevation in the story would also elevate the importance of Crono and Marle's love in Trigger. I could go on and on about this. (Hint: I take these ideas seriously enough that I might be able to influence some creative decisions if the Chrono series gets a proper remake or gets the movie treatment like several other game franchises have.)
@@alfredobelloni3258 You have no idea. ;) Maybe the world's dream will yet give us a miracle if we only believe. I think that's what Kato-san would say.
@@awesomecommenter Leena, mostly. With the 6 dragons, you generally want a level 8 summon to obliterate 3 of the 6 dragon types, then rely on the red X Strike to deal with the blue dragon type. Someone like Kid, who is Red, is just redundant to X Strike.
@@Angelalex242 I would go for Fargo. He basically a better ver. of Kid with better Availability. By the time you got Kid back, you already used him so much for Pilfer ability already. When you are Lynx, Karsh and Fargo would be your friend. I mean if you want a subtitiue for Glenn when you are not recruited or you are Lynx? Karsh is one hell of a physical damage dealer.
@@kaizoku8087 I mean there was very little character development other than the odd speech patterns they used. They felt underwhelming compared with the Chrono Trigger cast. That shouldn't have happened considering the devs could do so much more on the PS1. I think the game was probably rushed or didn't get the budget it deserved.
@@Lennis01 Speech patterns have nothing to do with character development unless if a situation causes them to change it (I.e.,if a character originally begins speaking irregularly/using slang then changed to proper that is ascension/development while the opposite is regression) and is usually used for comedic relief or advancement in plot. Compared? Or in tandem? Cross is another sequel to trigger since the original world,Radical Dreamers,is directly parallel to trigger’s events. Underwhelming? What was underwhelming about them? Everyone had their own purpose,their own story,some ambition even if they didn’t know it in the beginning. They went through their challenges along with Serge and company and relate back to each other and they all contributed in the end. Nothing is underwhelming about that. Rushed? Well,o don’t think a game with 40+ playable characters could be rushed. It’s budget was high from trigger so budgeting has nothing to do with it,just another way to tell a story,which is the whole premise to cross. It doesn’t follow traditional methods or themes which was its entire scope. That is why they decided for the recruitment of Glenn for not helping Kid when you are scared out of your mind from having to save a girl you don’t know well enough who pulls you into breaking into a mansion full of guards throwing stones at you while you hang on cliffs just to get into the god-forsaken mansion of terror!
@@deity4919 tell you the truth i rather have cross than trigger and i know i know what you like cross over trigger HERSEY but hear me out cross has the best music the best battle system charters you can get can make or break the game the elements system in the game can utterly destroy you opponents and help you and i like it cuz it loved the graphics and the story of cross better than trigger
As a kid I never had the heart to leave kid for dead. I wanted Glenn so badly but I couldn’t do it lol. Now I am playing through the “remaster” and now I have no such reservations lol.
Pip is one of my favorite character that I love to use often despite the broken bug that makes his stats completely garbage. But I’ve always played the game with an interest of characters over quality anyways so it never bothered me.
Personally I think they marketed this game wrong. It was advertised as a sequel to Chrono Trigger. I would have preferred going into it as a stand alone game, then have my mind blown towards the end when CT is finally referenced. Guess I can't argue though, I bought it the day it came out because of Chrono Trigger, but it wasn't what I expected and took years for me to finally appreciate it.
Serge, Glenn, Leena. However! If you put the work in, Pip is like ChuChu over there in Xenogears. You can make Pip OP, and Pip can use multiple exclusive elements. Like, say, Blue and Black.
I'd put Zappa in the mid tier just for his blacksmith ability. You can access the blacksmith ship anywhere from the world and didn't have to go to towns continuously.
I always love to pick Glenn and Harlee on the party! it’s quite surprising that they’re not just good for their looks but also good for the battleground
Great list! I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. Chrono Cross is my favorite game, so I'm glad that folks are still talking about it. Here's hoping we get Chrono Break someday. :)
@@locloudanerpg At this point it would have to be a remake of Trigger or Cross. Going to Break after a 22-year hiatus just wouldn't make sense, and most people would be clamoring for a new Trigger anyway. However, nobody said that a new Trigger couldn't also be Break at the same time. We are dealing with temporal and dimensional travel after all, and time loops certainly would not be out of the question.
@@Lennis01 I second that. A revisit of old characters would be nice. But leaving their story concluded and starting fresh with a new story and roster is fine also I guess. I mean, that's what they'll do anyways like every other FF sequel right? I'd be happy just seeing Akira Toriyama back as the art designer again.
I love Riddel and Miki but mostly for their character designs. Although Riddel is a fantastic magic user so she was always my favorite and never left my party. OMG I forgot about Guile... def best boy!
I loved this video, though it was a little eye-opening that I probably wasn't playing this game super optimally when I played it for the first time a few years back. Pip, Poshul, Sprigg, Mojo... Not only were those characters I used in my playthrough, but they were some of my personal favorites to use in the game. Heck, Poshul was even in the team I beat the final boss with alongside Radius and Serge. I'm not sure why I was so drawn to such bad characters. Maybe I enjoy a challenge? Maybe I heard they were bad and wanted to prove people wrong? Maybe I just liked how weird some of them were? But I guess it doesn't really matter because this is certainly the kind of game you can still have a lot of fun playing with a sub-optimal team, and it's kind of a testament to how well designed it is that you're able to do so!
I was young and needed the main characters in at all times. So back then it was always who would be 3rd to Serge/Kid/Lynx/Harle and when only one of them was available, Leena comes in with an additional 3rd wheeler. I played it a few times over and the 3rd wheel bounced between Norris, Riddel, Grobyc, Fargo and Razzly.
As soon as that music plays at 7:29, I lost focus listening to the commentary. I played the game years ago and that beautiful music still lives rent free in my mind.
Learned some kool stuff here. Thanks! But sadly my final char choices were basically yours. Kid, Serge, Lynx, Glenn, Harle for the win. Didn't know Lena was a boss though!
Van is an amazing character and probably one of the best in the game. His physical attack that damages all enemies is incredibly powerful, especially when combined with the fact that buffs (like hawkeye) on 1 stamina have the effect as buffs on max stamina. He and Guile (for similar reasons) will absolutely demolish most of the game.
I've been powerleveling Guile since I got him. He's absolutely broken. If you steal Magnify elements from those Door enemies inside Viper Manor towards the start and give them to Kid, he basically 1 shots so much. Then later, just trap some earthquakes in Hydra Marsh, and by the time you get to Fort Dragonia MF and you're basically wiping entire battles with 1 element
Great video again! Personally like Chrono Cross a lot, but character-wise they could have really gone a bit more quality over quantity (it fits that as shown in the video, a lot of them are also useless in battle...).
I would actually place Doc in Mid tier based on his final tech. It literally heals everyone completely and boosts the party’s Attack and Magic. I usually mitigate his ok grid by making him support/debuff.
He has low defense and his attacks are sub par. His specials are his most valuable abilities. End game gearing fixes a lot of problems across all characters.
Locking the player out of the ability to recruit Glenn, locking him behind one of the dumbest decisions in the game is plain stupid. Most first time players aren't going to say "ya let's abandon Kid and not save her". I always feel weird picking that option, makes Serge look like an absolute tool. But I must pick it cause Glenn is such a cool character
Resonant Arc's reviews are pretty good - I watched their all of their podcasts of Xenogears and was happy with their coverage of it. They go far in depth with the backstory too.
2nd video I saw of yours, first being the tales of vesperia list (which I'm currently playing). Saw this one when I opened your channel and had to watch, because I love anything Chrono Cross. Cool to find another Resonant Arc fan, too. I definitely agree with most in low and Sh*t teir, however I wish Razzly and Norris were higher... but I don't generally use them after Serge returns; So, I guess fair. Great to see some Leena love, she absolutely is a hidden gem in the game. This game has one of the most colorful cast of characters in the industry. Good video.
Miki has one of the best magic in the game. And only red caster. She is at least top tier. And she use gloves who is the best weapons for first playthrough cuz you got one spectre on tower. Just like marci,who is the best blue,there no debate about that,she is better than lenna.
I love the Chrono Cross content! Very cool RPG and dear to me. I feel like playing the game with the Relief Charm hacked in from the start is practically mandatory, because otherwise you only have two slots with which to make use of the other 40+ characters. Also, Serge is OP and steamrolls the game. Especially because in this game, stat gains are scaled up with actual use. Anyway, awesome list man. When I saw Pip, I knew this video would either be good or shit depending on if you mentioned that the mechanics are broken. So you know your stuff, which surprised me.
I always find it interesting how people pronounce some of the character names. I pronounce Serge like 'hair day' so "Sair Gay" Guile "Guy ole" and Harle as "Har lee"
I always end up using Glenn and Riddel as my final party in all my playthrough. Kid was okay at first, but since it takes a long time to get her as a permanent party member, Glenn has been already my go-to guy. Before Riddel, I've been using Marcy or Leena as my mage before Riddel came along.
9:00 did you just call Guile "gwee-low?" its guile, like street fighter, hes mysterious and he has guile, hence his name. Otherwise you graded them exactly how i would have. I hold Fargo in alittle higher esteem..His grid isnt THAT bad, He can steal from enemies and his Invincible skill is prolly the hardest hitting in the game (if used against opposite elem of course) When Harle joins Linx, its never good idea to have 2 black elem characters, IMO Glen is much more useful then Harle. Shes also not a perm character so if you invest in her and grow to love her..she just leaves, meaning you will always have to find a sub for her when she leaves. My perfect team was always: Serge, Leena Glenn, otherwise great vid man!
i disagree completely on the " its never good idea to have 2 black elem characters," and this is why; 1st, Harle rocks, best char in the game, 2nd, having 2 black innate at the same time powers them up.. 2 black innates means the field will stay black... 3rd, black elements are among the best.. now, if you find the game a little boring due to less elemental variety, that makes sense..
I rank some chracters a little higher than you did and here's why: - Pip, 1 tier above: Stat wise he isn't great, but the ability to choose what he evolves into (demon = physical oriented, angel = magic oriented) and the fact that you can make him become any innate you want makes it some kind of "wild card" chracter that you can build however you want. - Sneff an Van, 1 tier above: if you're feeling lucky, try out these guys. I once used HPShuffle and suddently he had around 800 HP while everyone was at like 250 HP XD. Van's level 5 tech is basically a "X Field" of a random color. If you get lucky, you can pull out summons quiclky. If the other two characters are of different colors, there's a 1 in 3 chance he picks a good one. Not too bad for early on, I think it's worth a shot. - Sprigg, 1 tier higher: some of Sprigg's monsters have access to elements you don't get for a long time (example: the TotalChaos with an early BlackHole) plus, changing from and changing back refreshes the elements. She's the one character who, theoretically, has an infinite supply of elements. - Janice, 1 or 2 tier higher (and not because she's my favorite): I agree that her stats are bad for a caster and that's why you give her buffs and "TurnX" elements! Make her you support and you won't regret it! She can only equip carrots of which there's only two in the game, one she starts with, the other is in the final dugeon. This means that 1) She starts with her second strongest weapon and 2) Her final weapon can be FOUND instead of crafted so no BS in farming Shiny materials. Don't like Janice? Disassemble that Betta Carotene for an extra Rainbow Shell! Also, she can get her lv7 tech as soon as she joins (she can't equip it until Star Level 30 though) - Draggy, 1 tier higher: build him on Stamina Recovery and he can hit 19 recovery! He recovers so fast I use him during the Dario fight and stun-lock the boss. He's a furious caster! - Norris, 1 tier higher: give him Starky's gun found in Arni and he starts melting enemies. Apply Strengthen and Eagle Eye (along with a Turn X element maybe) and watch the damage. Later on, there are better characters, however, and he starts to lag behind a little. But early on, man he's good!
Dude, this is a super solid list. CC is one of my favorite games of all time, you got a sub and I'm looking forward to checking out your other content. That said... Run that pronunciation of Guile back by me again..? Guy-ill. Your mispronunciation is dangerously close to the Chinese slur for white people! Hahaha. Edit: Also my traditional party was typically Serge, Kid, and Glenn. Although I'm really fond of Harle, Orlha, Fargo, Nikki, Skelly, and Viper. Serge, Kid, Glenn feels "right", like a true successor to CT, although I suppose you could sub in Leena for Kid and get about the same general feel.
My favorite party was always Serge, Guile, and Glenn as I found them latter two to be so interesting. There are a lot of cool characters in the game though.
huge props for letting that song play. Also, impressive making the word Glenn into an 11 minute vid Edit: Zappa is a tank, and you need him for Rainbow weapons Edit 2: Steena is a beast in NG+, you can get here once in the Temporal Vortex (i think)
Zappa has dogshit tank stats. Don't be a dumbass. MAX HP: 820 (0.8% above average) MAX STR: 89 (6.7% above average) MAX RES: 75 (0.8% below average) MAX MAG: 40 (16.4% below average) MAX M.RES: 37 (8.5% below average)
I was so bad at Chrono Cross. The game ended so abruptly that I KNEW I missed A LOT of points in the game. I don’t even know more than 1/2 of the characters that you’ve mentioned.
@@locloudanerpg I may be the only one who has love for poshul. I am partial to physical characters. Although she is the first recruitable character, has high attack power and very high hp, the adult in me had to consider her low magic power and small element grid putting her on the low tier. Just a small difference from your list PS Can't wait to see if we agree on the FF Tactics video
man about 10-15 years ago i was playing the game not knowing about all its secrets and discovered halfway i missed half the characters and there is a way not to save kid, lol. That made me play it twice with even more fun
The basic squad so Serge, Kid and Korcha, Glenn, Fargo, Guille or Razzly (this one as medic). Remaster is coming on April 7th, so I will check it again. Can't wait!
Man...I feel really bad that, even as someone who beat the game, I forgot about 20 of these characters were even in Chrono Cross. When Sneff came up, I literally went "who the hell is that?", lol.
Don't feel bad about it, half of these characters DESERVE to be forgotten. Sneff is only notable for having a dual tech with Guile (both are "magicians")
I think you should take into account dual and triple techs. Some characters get used only for who they tech with, which gives them a bit more usefulness
That just puts Glenn even higher in God Tier because he has a double tech with Serge. Also it would probably elevate Sneff a bit since he has one with Guile
There is a difference with Serge and Lynx. Lynx final tech hits all foes Serge's hits one. The game is harder in the first playthrough with New Game+ being too easy. That being said Guile not having a meaningful grid until new game plus puts him in mid tier or upper low tier for not being powerful when it counts. As far as Red Innates are concerned Macha is actually the best overall from a stat perspective or at least tied with Miki and Draggy overall. Sprigg should be top tier because getting powerful Dopples like Taurminator, Gurgoyle, and Wight Knight make Garai and Miguel the two hardest bosses easier. Meaning she is powerful when it counts also she starts with Lagoonate which is more powerful than Lynx with Silver Swallow. Spriggan is also the key character needed to perform the Cuscus element trap trick for level 5 and 6 elements like Carnivore, Black Hole, Thunda Storm etc immediately after being in Lynx form. Draggy gets his level 7 tech earlier than most making him awesome besides Harle making him great.
Dude, I didn't use Sprigg, but I used Forget-me-not pot while fighting WightKnight, but it didn't save him as doppleganger or monster gran slam. Can you help me how to use the pot correctly?
Pip isn't garbage tier. Yes, he's broken, but with micromanagement, he can be unique and versatile. He's just grindy and niche. First, the fact he can change innate elements means you can equip a variety of innate elements, as when he evolves, he doesn't de-equip those elements, meaning depending on how you plan him, he can equip up to 3 different innate element types. I've had him with Unicorn, Holy Healing, Deluge, Vigora, and PhysNegate. His final form isn't tied to specific element colors, meaning you can have a Black ArchAngel or White Arch Devil if you want, for example.
The micromanagement itself makes it so unpractical, go through all the chore of evolving him, yet his status will never rise as they should? You can do way better with many other characters, despite the flexibility of elements as you say. It is better to have those elements spread among your other characters and cast them with 3 different characters, no much use on having all those elements stuck with Pip if he can only use one per turn.
@@SeventhheavenDK I mean everyone can only use 1 element per turn, so that's a moot point you made. And Pip's stat growths aren't stagnant, they're just also unfortunately bugged. Upon reaching his final form and then obtaining a star, his stat growth will final update to something much closer to everyone else and will update with every subsequent mini level up and star from that point onward...if you never turn the game off (or use save states). The game will forget this fact if you do. There is a work around in having a secondary save file where he's about to reach his final form, have him reach that form, gain a star on that secondary save file, then load the main file, the stat gain will update. It's a hassle, it is, and it's damning for most players, but for any Pip fans out there, he can be built!
I agree greatly with this list; I did my own daily deep breakdown of CC characters on the Facebook fan page and came up with roughly the same conclusions
When I was young I choose one of each element/opposite because I usually don't two of the same colors. Now I just use who I love. White/Black - Serge, Lynx, Riddel, Starky, Harle(I wish you playable in more chapters of the game) Red/Blue - Miki, Marcy, Irenes, Leena Yellow/Green - Razzly,Glenn, Karsh My party is usually Serge,Glenn w/ either Miki or Marcy
Pip is only broken if you turn off your game (save issues), and the problem doesn't exist in the Japanese version. On emulators people even figured out how to patch the problem.
Awesome ranking! I honestly don't know why they decided to put Sneff in as a playable character, and then give him all around trash stats, when his character design, goofy as it is, should mean that he'd be at least a good mage character...Lord knows the yellow innate is in need of good magic users.
This list is based on the endresult after 100 playthroughs right? After everyone is maxed out or something? Because I played the game 2 times (never game+), and I had characters that were wery strong that are only in low and mid tier (ex starky with his plasma gun, after that viper with his personal sword were for a long time the hardest hitters) and characters that weren't that great but are up in the list (for ex gaill, and harll as you pronounce it :D)
To me the best char is and always will be Harle!! Great character development, great stats and oh those skills!! Especially her Lunairetic one! If only you could use her in the whole game... which is basically what you said in the video. I am glad we agree on her! :)
It's nice to look back at this video and watch after playing the game myself. I think you rated Janice too low. Miki had the same magic as her when I recruited Miki, and I had Janice for quite a decent portion of the game. My final team for my first playthrough was Serge, Fargo, and Janice. And Janice had never left my party since the Grand Slam tournament.
I thought i was weird because im main leena all those time ago. When most of my friends not even using her. Guess my old self is smarter than i thought
Mojo I feel gets overlooked a lot. His evade is crazy. With a yellow plate and brooch he was able to solo the boss in the earth dragon isle in either my first or second go. The only other character that could do that was Leah with a massive stockpile of Phys negate.
I love taking Leena around from beginning to end. I wish Chrono Cross explored her relationship with Serge a bit more. The possibility of her developing feelings for an alternate universe version of the childhood friend she never had -- and an innate competitiveness and jealousy she'd subsequently feel against Home Universe's Leena -- would have been interesting topics to explore.
She also uses Frying pan- mankind's most destructive weapon
Acho que isso não aconteceu porque são muitos personagens no jogo, não teria como desenvolver uma história mais complexa para eles
Yeah, I think that's one of the downsides of making her optional
Especially since she is Crono and Marle’s daughter.
@@Celanoj Lmao. Btw Kid looks more like them kek
Glad to know Marcy is actually good. Always picked her back then. Love to slap enemies!
Marcy is amazing in terms of gameplay
Riddel is best girl. Love her character design and techs.
Great video! My favorite character is Radius. I know he's not the best, but I really like mentor characters, and playing with mid-tiers is usually more fun for me.
Leena placing so high makes me so happy. I always chose to bring her along and keep her active in my party in every playthrough.
Leena's strength in the game suggests she might have been intended to play a larger role in the story, but for whatever reason the devs chose not to pursue it. Perhaps due to money and time constraints.
@@Lennis01 Theres a fan theory that says that Leena is the daughter (or Grand-daughter) of chrono. Based on the color of hair and the fact that Guardia was destroyed by Porre forcing Chrono to (supousedly) flee the country.
I repeat though, its a fan theory.
@@alfredobelloni3258 I would say it's much more than a fan theory. It makes complete sense. Crono's hair. Marle's eyes. Insanely strong magic. A birth year of 1004, making Crono and Marle around 20 when she's born. Guardia sacked. Miguel a god-tier swordsman who seems to know everything when you meet him. Una looking nothing like Leena. No trace of Marle at all, suggesting she didn't survive Guardia's sacking. (Dalton kills Marle with the Masamune, which causes the weapon to become cursed.) As far as I'm concerned, it's as good as canon since it fits together so well. Likely the only reason this wasn't written into the story was because they wanted EVERYTHING to revolve around Serge, and a storyarc about an exiled princess, even if she wasn't the main character, would have felt too trope. If so, it was a massive missed opportunity. People love the world of Chrono because of its rich ensemble of interesting characters (a bit too many in the case of Cross). Consider a situation where the only way to break the curse on the Masamune is for the right person to forgive the spirits who were forced to commit murder, and who better than the child of the person who died? Also consider that Leena would certainly take pity on child-spirits and would want to protect them from any further harm. What if LEENA was the character who ultimately ends up with the Masamune instead of Serge? Would this undermine Serge's story or complement it? It is shown at the beginning and end of Chrono Cross that Serge and Leena's relationship, if not exactly romantic, is kind of a big deal, so both characters should be people of some importance to the overall mythos. Leena's elevation in the story would also elevate the importance of Crono and Marle's love in Trigger. I could go on and on about this. (Hint: I take these ideas seriously enough that I might be able to influence some creative decisions if the Chrono series gets a proper remake or gets the movie treatment like several other game franchises have.)
@@Lennis01 Wow you've certainly done your homework. *SlowClap
@@alfredobelloni3258 You have no idea. ;) Maybe the world's dream will yet give us a miracle if we only believe. I think that's what Kato-san would say.
Ah yes, 'Guilo', everybody's favorite Chrono Cross character...
Serge, Glenn, & Kid.... especially fighting the last dragon
Actually, you need not white, not green, not red for the third party member
@@Angelalex242 who would you normally use?
@@awesomecommenter Leena, mostly. With the 6 dragons, you generally want a level 8 summon to obliterate 3 of the 6 dragon types, then rely on the red X Strike to deal with the blue dragon type. Someone like Kid, who is Red, is just redundant to X Strike.
By the same logic, Radius and Viper are a good combo when you're Lynx, because they have a combo attack that does White damage.
@@Angelalex242 I would go for Fargo. He basically a better ver. of Kid with better Availability. By the time you got Kid back, you already used him so much for Pilfer ability already. When you are Lynx, Karsh and Fargo would be your friend. I mean if you want a subtitiue for Glenn when you are not recruited or you are Lynx? Karsh is one hell of a physical damage dealer.
The artstyle in this game is so good. All the texture work, the smooth animations, it's really impressive that it is running on the ps1.
Wow these characters look amazing. Each one is so unique. Irenes and Marcy are soo pretty.
yea the character design in this game is one of the best ever
The character design is first rate. Now if only they were written as well as they were designed.
@@Lennis01 They we’re written pretty well. What was the issue?
@@kaizoku8087 I mean there was very little character development other than the odd speech patterns they used. They felt underwhelming compared with the Chrono Trigger cast. That shouldn't have happened considering the devs could do so much more on the PS1. I think the game was probably rushed or didn't get the budget it deserved.
@@Lennis01 Speech patterns have nothing to do with character development unless if a situation causes them to change it (I.e.,if a character originally begins speaking irregularly/using slang then changed to proper that is ascension/development while the opposite is regression) and is usually used for comedic relief or advancement in plot.
Compared? Or in tandem? Cross is another sequel to trigger since the original world,Radical Dreamers,is directly parallel to trigger’s events.
Underwhelming? What was underwhelming about them? Everyone had their own purpose,their own story,some ambition even if they didn’t know it in the beginning. They went through their challenges along with Serge and company and relate back to each other and they all contributed in the end. Nothing is underwhelming about that.
Rushed? Well,o don’t think a game with 40+ playable characters could be rushed. It’s budget was high from trigger so budgeting has nothing to do with it,just another way to tell a story,which is the whole premise to cross. It doesn’t follow traditional methods or themes which was its entire scope. That is why they decided for the recruitment of Glenn for not helping Kid when you are scared out of your mind from having to save a girl you don’t know well enough who pulls you into breaking into a mansion full of guards throwing stones at you while you hang on cliffs just to get into the god-forsaken mansion of terror!
I absolutely loved chrono cross. It gets too much needless hate.
Most people love the game....there are some that hate it because of the RPG elements and its doesn't relate much to Chrono Trigger.
I completely agree
Wholeheartedly agree, highly underrated game.
@@xhy720 The game sold more than 1m+ units and its still underrated? You better need to check your dictionary what underrated mean is.
@@deity4919 tell you the truth i rather have cross than trigger
and i know i know what you like cross over trigger HERSEY
but hear me out
cross has the best music
the best battle system
charters you can get can make or break the game
the elements system in the game can utterly destroy you opponents
and help you
and i like it cuz it loved the graphics and the story of cross better than trigger
Oh. The era when Suikoden influenced a whole console RPG generation.
And just like in Suikoden, I used not even a quarter of who was available.
As a kid I never had the heart to leave kid for dead. I wanted Glenn so badly but I couldn’t do it lol. Now I am playing through the “remaster” and now I have no such reservations lol.
I Still can't do it 😢
Every song in this game is beautiful
Ikr, make you dive right into the game!
Pip is one of my favorite character that I love to use often despite the broken bug that makes his stats completely garbage. But I’ve always played the game with an interest of characters over quality anyways so it never bothered me.
They fixed the glitch in the remastered. ^=^
@@sexyshinyashots Yep, Pip is fantastic in the remaster.
Leena and Janice were my picks to go into battle with Serge. Glad to see I'm at least half good at picking teams.
Personally I think they marketed this game wrong. It was advertised as a sequel to Chrono Trigger. I would have preferred going into it as a stand alone game, then have my mind blown towards the end when CT is finally referenced.
Guess I can't argue though, I bought it the day it came out because of Chrono Trigger, but it wasn't what I expected and took years for me to finally appreciate it.
Serge, Glenn, Leena. However! If you put the work in, Pip is like ChuChu over there in Xenogears. You can make Pip OP, and Pip can use multiple exclusive elements. Like, say, Blue and Black.
Glenn. End of video.
Miki was underrated as a red. Didn’t really saw her name being mentioned a whole lot or looked as a competent characters.
I'd put Zappa in the mid tier just for his blacksmith ability. You can access the blacksmith ship anywhere from the world and didn't have to go to towns continuously.
I always love to pick Glenn and Harlee on the party! it’s quite surprising that they’re not just good for their looks but also good for the battleground
I like to go glenn and guile myself makes me feel the most like the old chrono trigger party.
Always goes with Glenn and 2 Einlanzers. I honestly don't know why he didn't talk about Glenn though.
Great list! I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. Chrono Cross is my favorite game, so I'm glad that folks are still talking about it. Here's hoping we get Chrono Break someday. :)
That would be awesome but I doubt it will happen...
@@locloudanerpg At this point it would have to be a remake of Trigger or Cross. Going to Break after a 22-year hiatus just wouldn't make sense, and most people would be clamoring for a new Trigger anyway. However, nobody said that a new Trigger couldn't also be Break at the same time. We are dealing with temporal and dimensional travel after all, and time loops certainly would not be out of the question.
@@Lennis01 I second that. A revisit of old characters would be nice. But leaving their story concluded and starting fresh with a new story and roster is fine also I guess. I mean, that's what they'll do anyways like every other FF sequel right? I'd be happy just seeing Akira Toriyama back as the art designer again.
I love Riddel and Miki but mostly for their character designs. Although Riddel is a fantastic magic user so she was always my favorite and never left my party. OMG I forgot about Guile... def best boy!
I loved this video, though it was a little eye-opening that I probably wasn't playing this game super optimally when I played it for the first time a few years back. Pip, Poshul, Sprigg, Mojo... Not only were those characters I used in my playthrough, but they were some of my personal favorites to use in the game. Heck, Poshul was even in the team I beat the final boss with alongside Radius and Serge. I'm not sure why I was so drawn to such bad characters. Maybe I enjoy a challenge? Maybe I heard they were bad and wanted to prove people wrong? Maybe I just liked how weird some of them were? But I guess it doesn't really matter because this is certainly the kind of game you can still have a lot of fun playing with a sub-optimal team, and it's kind of a testament to how well designed it is that you're able to do so!
I was young and needed the main characters in at all times. So back then it was always who would be 3rd to Serge/Kid/Lynx/Harle and when only one of them was available, Leena comes in with an additional 3rd wheeler.
I played it a few times over and the 3rd wheel bounced between Norris, Riddel, Grobyc, Fargo and Razzly.
As soon as that music plays at 7:29, I lost focus listening to the commentary. I played the game years ago and that beautiful music still lives rent free in my mind.
Learned some kool stuff here. Thanks! But sadly my final char choices were basically yours. Kid, Serge, Lynx, Glenn, Harle for the win. Didn't know Lena was a boss though!
Van is an amazing character and probably one of the best in the game. His physical attack that damages all enemies is incredibly powerful, especially when combined with the fact that buffs (like hawkeye) on 1 stamina have the effect as buffs on max stamina. He and Guile (for similar reasons) will absolutely demolish most of the game.
I've been powerleveling Guile since I got him. He's absolutely broken. If you steal Magnify elements from those Door enemies inside Viper Manor towards the start and give them to Kid, he basically 1 shots so much.
Then later, just trap some earthquakes in Hydra Marsh, and by the time you get to Fort Dragonia MF and you're basically wiping entire battles with 1 element
Vans dogshit.
MAX HP: 770 (5.3% below average)
MAX STR: 75 (10.1% below average)
MAX RES: 70 (7.4% below average)
MAX MAG: 48 (0.3% above average)
MAX M.RES: 39 (3.5% below average)
Great video again! Personally like Chrono Cross a lot, but character-wise they could have really gone a bit more quality over quantity (it fits that as shown in the video, a lot of them are also useless in battle...).
Trimming it down to 12 rather then 45 would've been a better idea
I think they were trying a Suikoden type thing
@@stoneocean0065 Serge, Leena, Kid, Harle, Fargo, Norris, Glenn, Radius, Viper, Riddel, Starky, Karsh, Sprigg, and possibly Guile. Everyone else should be relegated to supporting character status.
I would actually place Doc in Mid tier based on his final tech. It literally heals everyone completely and boosts the party’s Attack and Magic.
I usually mitigate his ok grid by making him support/debuff.
He has low defense and his attacks are sub par. His specials are his most valuable abilities. End game gearing fixes a lot of problems across all characters.
Thank you!!
Locking the player out of the ability to recruit Glenn, locking him behind one of the dumbest decisions in the game is plain stupid. Most first time players aren't going to say "ya let's abandon Kid and not save her". I always feel weird picking that option, makes Serge look like an absolute tool. But I must pick it cause Glenn is such a cool character
Final Party (From back in the 90s)
*Serge
*Leah
*Karsh
Musta loved them axes.
hahaha) it's my final party too)
hahah) it's my final party too)
@@FREAKMOONCHANNEL no kidding? Small planet, eh
@@bobgoblin7733 yes)
Thank you. This was helpful with the remaster. :)
Glenn is on screw kid tier.
Seriously who got this guy on their first run, i had to restart my entire game when i learned i missed out on him lmao
Resonant Arc's reviews are pretty good - I watched their all of their podcasts of Xenogears and was happy with their coverage of it. They go far in depth with the backstory too.
I usually use Riddel and Leena. Sometimes i change Leena for Glenn. But Riddel is the best! And i never swap her with any other characters.
Razzly lovers where you at?? Best Fairy!
Im here hahaha
2nd video I saw of yours, first being the tales of vesperia list (which I'm currently playing). Saw this one when I opened your channel and had to watch, because I love anything Chrono Cross. Cool to find another Resonant Arc fan, too. I definitely agree with most in low and Sh*t teir, however I wish Razzly and Norris were higher... but I don't generally use them after Serge returns; So, I guess fair. Great to see some Leena love, she absolutely is a hidden gem in the game. This game has one of the most colorful cast of characters in the industry. Good video.
Your butchery of the characters names is God tier
Miki has one of the best magic in the game. And only red caster. She is at least top tier. And she use gloves who is the best weapons for first playthrough cuz you got one spectre on tower.
Just like marci,who is the best blue,there no debate about that,she is better than lenna.
I really enjoyed discovering Pip's strengths and it's diversity
I'm not surprised most of my favorites are in the mid to low tiers.
I thought of Pip as a minigame in a very fun and relaxing game
This is an objectively excellent list.
Thanks!!
Serge, Glenn and Leena was my perfect party. Sorry Kid, first I don't travel with you then I don't save you 😅 I just love those two too much
I love the Chrono Cross content! Very cool RPG and dear to me. I feel like playing the game with the Relief Charm hacked in from the start is practically mandatory, because otherwise you only have two slots with which to make use of the other 40+ characters. Also, Serge is OP and steamrolls the game. Especially because in this game, stat gains are scaled up with actual use. Anyway, awesome list man. When I saw Pip, I knew this video would either be good or shit depending on if you mentioned that the mechanics are broken. So you know your stuff, which surprised me.
Haha I try. Thanks for the feedback. I’m sure some of my lists aren’t as polished but I’m proud of this one.
I always find it interesting how people pronounce some of the character names. I pronounce Serge like 'hair day' so "Sair Gay" Guile "Guy ole" and Harle as "Har lee"
I always pronounce Serge as Serj... Guile is gayl (Street Fighter) and Harle as Har lee as well.
@@brotherdeimos Same except for Harle. I pronounced it with silent e.
and i still remember how i got defeated again and again by cryosphinx due to wrong answer.
Spot on list.
I personally would put orlha/kid/fargo on god tier but that's just my own bias. lol
Beautiful work. Thanks for the content 💪
This video shows up while I watch the announcement of the remaster
So hyped!!
I always end up using Glenn and Riddel as my final party in all my playthrough. Kid was okay at first, but since it takes a long time to get her as a permanent party member, Glenn has been already my go-to guy. Before Riddel, I've been using Marcy or Leena as my mage before Riddel came along.
Glenn
9:00 did you just call Guile "gwee-low?" its guile, like street fighter, hes mysterious and he has guile, hence his name. Otherwise you graded them exactly how i would have. I hold Fargo in alittle higher esteem..His grid isnt THAT bad, He can steal from enemies and his Invincible skill is prolly the hardest hitting in the game (if used against opposite elem of course) When Harle joins Linx, its never good idea to have 2 black elem characters, IMO Glen is much more useful then Harle. Shes also not a perm character so if you invest in her and grow to love her..she just leaves, meaning you will always have to find a sub for her when she leaves. My perfect team was always:
Serge, Leena Glenn, otherwise great vid man!
I most definitely said Guilo. I have no excuses. Glad I hit the mark on this one.
@@locloudanerpg lol
Leena is indispensable in big fights.
How do you build Fargo?
i disagree completely on the " its never good idea to have 2 black elem characters," and this is why; 1st, Harle rocks, best char in the game, 2nd, having 2 black innate at the same time powers them up.. 2 black innates means the field will stay black... 3rd, black elements are among the best.. now, if you find the game a little boring due to less elemental variety, that makes sense..
I didn't watch yet, but it's Glenn right?
I rank some chracters a little higher than you did and here's why:
- Pip, 1 tier above: Stat wise he isn't great, but the ability to choose what he evolves into (demon = physical oriented, angel = magic oriented) and the fact that you can make him become any innate you want makes it some kind of "wild card" chracter that you can build however you want.
- Sneff an Van, 1 tier above: if you're feeling lucky, try out these guys. I once used HPShuffle and suddently he had around 800 HP while everyone was at like 250 HP XD. Van's level 5 tech is basically a "X Field" of a random color. If you get lucky, you can pull out summons quiclky. If the other two characters are of different colors, there's a 1 in 3 chance he picks a good one. Not too bad for early on, I think it's worth a shot.
- Sprigg, 1 tier higher: some of Sprigg's monsters have access to elements you don't get for a long time (example: the TotalChaos with an early BlackHole) plus, changing from and changing back refreshes the elements. She's the one character who, theoretically, has an infinite supply of elements.
- Janice, 1 or 2 tier higher (and not because she's my favorite): I agree that her stats are bad for a caster and that's why you give her buffs and "TurnX" elements! Make her you support and you won't regret it! She can only equip carrots of which there's only two in the game, one she starts with, the other is in the final dugeon. This means that 1) She starts with her second strongest weapon and 2) Her final weapon can be FOUND instead of crafted so no BS in farming Shiny materials. Don't like Janice? Disassemble that Betta Carotene for an extra Rainbow Shell! Also, she can get her lv7 tech as soon as she joins (she can't equip it until Star Level 30 though)
- Draggy, 1 tier higher: build him on Stamina Recovery and he can hit 19 recovery! He recovers so fast I use him during the Dario fight and stun-lock the boss. He's a furious caster!
- Norris, 1 tier higher: give him Starky's gun found in Arni and he starts melting enemies. Apply Strengthen and Eagle Eye (along with a Turn X element maybe) and watch the damage. Later on, there are better characters, however, and he starts to lag behind a little. But early on, man he's good!
Nice to see some Chrono cross content, subscribed
Oh crap I didn't tell Leena I remember her promise in my current playthrough, so now I can't get Maiden faith FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Harle is amazing
I always used Serge, Kid, and Orhla cuz I liked their skills and design! I had no idea I had a busted team!
The answer will always be Turnip. Anyone who says otherwise is just categorically, aesthetically, and spiritually W R O N G
True. I have no credibility now.
@@locloudanerpg its good you acknowledge this. The only path now is growth.
@@CuShorts I’m lost. I put Frog in the low tier on my Chrono trigger list. There’s no saving me now…
Dude, this is a super solid list. CC is one of my favorite games of all time, you got a sub and I'm looking forward to checking out your other content.
That said... Run that pronunciation of Guile back by me again..? Guy-ill. Your mispronunciation is dangerously close to the Chinese slur for white people! Hahaha.
Edit: Also my traditional party was typically Serge, Kid, and Glenn. Although I'm really fond of Harle, Orlha, Fargo, Nikki, Skelly, and Viper. Serge, Kid, Glenn feels "right", like a true successor to CT, although I suppose you could sub in Leena for Kid and get about the same general feel.
Thanks for the sub
Broke my heart when you pronounced Harle's name as 'Harl', instead of 'Harley', like Harley Quinn / Harlequin.
And Guile. That was another interesting pronunciation
but she's french so I pronounce it harle Har-La
@@vargas0897and “Ju-NEEC” instead of fucking “Janice”.
My favorite party was always Serge, Guile, and Glenn as I found them latter two to be so interesting. There are a lot of cool characters in the game though.
Too many is the problem. Most were throw away. Only 2-3 characters I kept through the entire game.
Frog and Magus working together
huge props for letting that song play. Also, impressive making the word Glenn into an 11 minute vid
Edit: Zappa is a tank, and you need him for Rainbow weapons
Edit 2: Steena is a beast in NG+, you can get here once in the Temporal Vortex (i think)
Haha I had to reread your comment twice before I got it. Yes Glenn is the title of this list.
Zappa has dogshit tank stats. Don't be a dumbass.
MAX HP: 820 (0.8% above average)
MAX STR: 89 (6.7% above average)
MAX RES: 75 (0.8% below average)
MAX MAG: 40 (16.4% below average)
MAX M.RES: 37 (8.5% below average)
I was so bad at Chrono Cross. The game ended so abruptly that I KNEW I missed A LOT of points in the game. I don’t even know more than 1/2 of the characters that you’ve mentioned.
Great looking video! With 45 playable characters I am surprised that I only disagreed with you once. Keep up the good work.
Ah man, you can’t just not tell me who it was!!!
@@locloudanerpg I may be the only one who has love for poshul. I am partial to physical characters. Although she is the first recruitable character, has high attack power and very high hp, the adult in me had to consider her low magic power and small element grid putting her on the low tier. Just a small difference from your list
PS Can't wait to see if we agree on the FF Tactics video
man about 10-15 years ago i was playing the game not knowing about all its secrets and discovered halfway i missed half the characters and there is a way not to save kid, lol. That made me play it twice with even more fun
The basic squad so Serge, Kid and Korcha, Glenn, Fargo, Guille or Razzly (this one as medic). Remaster is coming on April 7th, so I will check it again. Can't wait!
"This song is so good..." couldn't agree more.
Man...I feel really bad that, even as someone who beat the game, I forgot about 20 of these characters were even in Chrono Cross. When Sneff came up, I literally went "who the hell is that?", lol.
Don't feel bad about it, half of these characters DESERVE to be forgotten. Sneff is only notable for having a dual tech with Guile (both are "magicians")
Heh, I'm not sure I ever used him in any of my playthroughs.
I think you should take into account dual and triple techs. Some characters get used only for who they tech with, which gives them a bit more usefulness
That just puts Glenn even higher in God Tier because he has a double tech with Serge. Also it would probably elevate Sneff a bit since he has one with Guile
There is a difference with Serge and Lynx. Lynx final tech hits all foes Serge's hits one. The game is harder in the first playthrough with New Game+ being too easy. That being said Guile not having a meaningful grid until new game plus puts him in mid tier or upper low tier for not being powerful when it counts. As far as Red Innates are concerned Macha is actually the best overall from a stat perspective or at least tied with Miki and Draggy overall. Sprigg should be top tier because getting powerful Dopples like Taurminator, Gurgoyle, and Wight Knight make Garai and Miguel the two hardest bosses easier. Meaning she is powerful when it counts also she starts with Lagoonate which is more powerful than Lynx with Silver Swallow. Spriggan is also the key character needed to perform the Cuscus element trap trick for level 5 and 6 elements like Carnivore, Black Hole, Thunda Storm etc immediately after being in Lynx form. Draggy gets his level 7 tech earlier than most making him awesome besides Harle making him great.
Dude, I didn't use Sprigg, but I used Forget-me-not pot while fighting WightKnight, but it didn't save him as doppleganger or monster gran slam. Can you help me how to use the pot correctly?
Rough around the edges is a great way to describe this game, but as a stand alone? Fantastic!
That sound track is still amazing to me
Pip isn't garbage tier. Yes, he's broken, but with micromanagement, he can be unique and versatile. He's just grindy and niche. First, the fact he can change innate elements means you can equip a variety of innate elements, as when he evolves, he doesn't de-equip those elements, meaning depending on how you plan him, he can equip up to 3 different innate element types. I've had him with Unicorn, Holy Healing, Deluge, Vigora, and PhysNegate. His final form isn't tied to specific element colors, meaning you can have a Black ArchAngel or White Arch Devil if you want, for example.
The micromanagement itself makes it so unpractical, go through all the chore of evolving him, yet his status will never rise as they should?
You can do way better with many other characters, despite the flexibility of elements as you say.
It is better to have those elements spread among your other characters and cast them with 3 different characters, no much use on having all those elements stuck with Pip if he can only use one per turn.
@@SeventhheavenDK I mean everyone can only use 1 element per turn, so that's a moot point you made.
And Pip's stat growths aren't stagnant, they're just also unfortunately bugged. Upon reaching his final form and then obtaining a star, his stat growth will final update to something much closer to everyone else and will update with every subsequent mini level up and star from that point onward...if you never turn the game off (or use save states). The game will forget this fact if you do. There is a work around in having a secondary save file where he's about to reach his final form, have him reach that form, gain a star on that secondary save file, then load the main file, the stat gain will update.
It's a hassle, it is, and it's damning for most players, but for any Pip fans out there, he can be built!
@@SeventhheavenDK The list isn't "Who is the most practical?" - it's "Who is the Best?".
I agree greatly with this list; I did my own daily deep breakdown of CC characters on the Facebook fan page and came up with roughly the same conclusions
When I was young I choose one of each element/opposite because I usually don't two of the same colors. Now I just use who I love.
White/Black - Serge, Lynx, Riddel, Starky, Harle(I wish you playable in more chapters of the game)
Red/Blue - Miki, Marcy, Irenes, Leena
Yellow/Green - Razzly,Glenn, Karsh
My party is usually Serge,Glenn w/ either Miki or Marcy
Pip is only broken if you turn off your game (save issues), and the problem doesn't exist in the Japanese version. On emulators people even figured out how to patch the problem.
Sneff, aka the character nobody even bothering to recruit, even those trying for a completionist NG+ play through
I feel that way about Janice
I agree with the list placements. I recall playing the characters more the higher up they were.
Serge, Kid, and Glenn is my usual party, you can honestly get by with just Serge and Glenn, I just used Kid cause why not.
Awesome ranking! I honestly don't know why they decided to put Sneff in as a playable character, and then give him all around trash stats, when his character design, goofy as it is, should mean that he'd be at least a good mage character...Lord knows the yellow innate is in need of good magic users.
This list is based on the endresult after 100 playthroughs right? After everyone is maxed out or something? Because I played the game 2 times (never game+), and I had characters that were wery strong that are only in low and mid tier (ex starky with his plasma gun, after that viper with his personal sword were for a long time the hardest hitters) and characters that weren't that great but are up in the list (for ex gaill, and harll as you pronounce it :D)
To me the best char is and always will be Harle!! Great character development, great stats and oh those skills!! Especially her Lunairetic one! If only you could use her in the whole game... which is basically what you said in the video. I am glad we agree on her! :)
orhla is my favorite character in the game bcoz of her sisterhood skill really love that skill hahaha
It's nice to look back at this video and watch after playing the game myself. I think you rated Janice too low. Miki had the same magic as her when I recruited Miki, and I had Janice for quite a decent portion of the game. My final team for my first playthrough was Serge, Fargo, and Janice. And Janice had never left my party since the Grand Slam tournament.
I'm loving this video today...
Serge, Glenn, whatever you need at the moment
I'm shocked how many of those characters I remember nothing about...Good sign to play it again.
Yep, hardly used any of them. Don't remember if any (outside 2-3) had any big part in the grand scheme of things.
I thought i was weird because im main leena all those time ago. When most of my friends not even using her. Guess my old self is smarter than i thought
Mojo I feel gets overlooked a lot. His evade is crazy. With a yellow plate and brooch he was able to solo the boss in the earth dragon isle in either my first or second go. The only other character that could do that was Leah with a massive stockpile of Phys negate.
character designs and animations are so good in this game
My Favorite Party member is Serge, Nikki, and Grobyc
Macha, Poshul and The blue transformer lady were my fav
My favorite is Irenes because she's connected to the sea. I'm glad she got a good tier
great list and great video
Pip ends up with some of the best stats in the game whether you want him to be OP physical, OP magical, or OP all arounder.
The game has so many great characters.. I kinda wish it was a four character system instead of three 😅
Meeee too.
Probably too much to ask from the PS1. As it was, Chrono Cross pushed the system to its absolute limit.