NEXT-GEN GREATEST CRAPS STRATEGY, The Van-Ben
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I like it better when you roll the dice to show everything.
Thanks David, enjoy watching you guys.
Thanks for watching! We appreciate it --Mar
Brilliant explanation (and dealing)!! I also love the dealer tipping segment at the end. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for including dealers in this... everytime I go to my casino they really do love me... what i normally do is let the field work for them 3 bucks it hit dollar across and make them take control
I’d prefer going 550 inside. The 5,6,8 or 9 will pay 175. Then I ask to go 160 across. Yes, the 4 and 10 are not initially covered. But I like that I’ll have quarters across right away.
I could watch these system videos all day.
Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching :) --Mar
The Van Ben? Okay!
Great system….I like Vincent and the way he thinks and develops systems. He and I think a like and always searching for a better way to give the player more advantage.
Thanks for the Shout Out Dave 👍
Thank you,
I'm sloooowly learning. Still tryin' to learn about the horn bets, etc. Thanks for this!
Learn the basic's first on craps. I'm going on 4 years and still learning.
If you can learn from this as a beginner, you're already broke - too much lingo rather than explanation for the amateur
Thanks David. It was a lot of fun being out there. On the horn I play $6 in action. $5 horn high yo and $1 ace deuce. That way it all parlays to $32 horn. It's 24 ways to win, 6 ways to push and 6 ways to lose. If I push with the first roll, I now have 30 ways to win and 6 ways to lose. I try to limit myself to 2 PSO's. Every roll of the dice is a 1 in 6 chance of a 7. Up to you if you want to work on the come out roll or wait for a point to establish. Mathematically it doesn't matter. Psychologically it sucks to hear 'come out winner' and you just lost $646. The upside of working on the come out is you aren't one step behind on a long roll.
Also, I don't collect the $35. I collect the first $77 or $84 hit and then I take the first black payout. After that it's triple lux to table max. I tend to collect the 2nd hits on both the 4 and 10 for a $120 bonus. Particularly on choppy tables where we aren't getting many repeat numbers.
Once you have that $140 profit, play any way you want. $64, $96, $160, inside, across, sister press, power press, mid press - whatever trips your trigger. I like the big wins so I go TL
This your system? It's definitely creative, I'm looking forward to trying it out. Thank you.
@@ZachJersey Craps is such an old game it's hard to think of anything as 'new' but yes, I was the one that introduced this specific bet structure to David. I've been playing with it since early Oct. It's a bit more volatile than I'd like to admit but I actually think that's more on me than the dice.
i like this.
Strategy starts at 4:30
That's a short intro by David standards.
Get's you to the $96 across quick, nice! Number of other ways to do it, but they involve multiple hits. Definitely like the power press of sisters to green level, and then take & press to suit your goals. This strategy has some very strong elements, and thank for the bankroll primer. Gonna play big, gotta think big. Also appreciate the prompt for dealer action on a good roll
I'm still to new to throw down real money but I still love watching these strategy vids.
Dealer tips my way of tipping only when I shoot .....$6 across my control ....hit a number pay the dealer then press $1 ...I use this tipping method as a counter when I roll..dealers happy and I know #hits on evry #
Thank you for the video, I love this strategy. I've used something very similar with the iron Cross. Starting with $440. If a field number Hits right off the bat you've got your hundred for your $96 across. If the 5,6,8 hit you profit $40 ($100 replacing the field). You need at least 2 5,6,8 hits which makes you $80 and close enough to that $96
I like it personally starting with $440 as apposed to $640 but the $640 definitely makes you more profit on that first roll or 2
Thank you for uploading this video….more craps!!!!
Very similar to how i Play (on myself or qualified shooters... not just Every Random shooter). Although i wait for the come out roll, then go $440 INSIDE (similar to this but without the additional 4 & 10). Since when i'm shooting, i'm higher confidence that i can hit the Inside # within a roll or 2 typically (without risk of the 7). Then after hitting just a single Inside #, then i pull down to the $96 ACROSS. Which is similar. BUT... since i'm already at profit with the $96 ACROSS, i prefer to just POWER PRESS at this point until a Place Number hits twice, then i'll finally do a Collect on the 3rd hit (which is over $100 win at that point, on any of the Place Numbers). From then, i might do Partial Presses up and up.... But yeah, pretty similar. Fun Stuff!!!
Call in show!!!
Great system...if you are a casino.
So you think any across system is only good for the casino? Just because this one is scaled beyond your comfort level doesn't mean the concept isn't sound. The payout is the same as $32, $64, $96, $160 etc. This one just comes with the benefit of being completely out of the hand by roll 2. I secure some profit and I'm still in the game for the long roll
I understand craps inside out - backwards & forward…. but I don’t know what patreon is, or where to find it. Please explain 🤷🏻
Baccarat Comp Killer..1 , 3 , 7, 16, 34, 72, 150 ,310 betting sequence..593 units...if you bet from the first hand on banker ,than player , than banker alternating through out the shoe it is possible to win around 72 units per shoe as this sequence recovers costs as you go while maintaining a profit of 1 unit per hand for the whole shoe ,or more if you raise the bet...if the shoe has already started, bet on the opposite to what just won and also use this to resync./if you get into trouble. Should the bankroll fall to 500 units....use flat betting with 10 times your base unit withdrawing/cashing out every 2 or 3 wins as you go so you dont give it back, before resuming bankroll recovery mode.
Love the system , the 2000$ buy in is a little high for me 620$ is my usual But it might be worth increasing the bankroll just to try it. I definitely would only play this system on my wife and I shooting just to get comfortable with it at first .
Can't wait to see the money shot on this. Probably going to have to run an extended rollout for myself afterwards. Been working something similar with a $205 iron cross to get $70 in two rolls to place 66 inside + 4 for the dealers, then going to half press once everything is green. I usually skip the 4 & 10 though, as I have other plans for those.
On $10 tables I use $165 to win $25 for 2 spins. It gets me to $44 inside once you hit 2 tines and regress back down. Start with a $60 6 and 8. Hop the 5's for $10 ( $5 each). And last place $35 in the field. If anything but big red comes you win $25. Field win u need to hop the 5s again. If hop bet or 6/8 wins you replace the field and/or the hop.
At that point just be a collection bank. After 2 or 3 hits i add a $10 hard 4 and 10 because there's only 2 ways to roll each. 2-2, 3-1 or 5-5, 6-4.
@@Football0247 that strat was done by the Hawaiian Craps shooters, wasn't it? I cannot remember what they called it, but I remember seeing Jeremy roll it out on his Color Up channel
And the 7 comes out. Pay the line 😂
All systems work when the dice god is in your favor. I’ve seen 3 sevens on come out in a roll regularly. If you have 5k to throw around then it might be fun. The other issue is you need at least 8-10 rolls with after the come out to start earning. I don’t know how many time I’ve seen point 7 out at the table. With point seven out you would lose all the hard work for that first win then put $640 at risk again. This is a rich man system.
If I survive the big bet (granted - that's a big if) I lock up $38 worth of profit for that shooter. Even if the 2nd roll is a 7 and I lose the $96. Once I'm at $96, either a 4 or 10 will take both to $30. Another 4 or 10 and I collect $59. That's 2 rolls. With any inside number I can collect $77/$84 in as little as 3 rolls. The 1st is a sister press, I then need 2 more hits on either number. I can collect an additional $175/$210 in as little as 5 rolls and I can be at table max in 7 rolls (mind you that's pounding the snot out of a single number which isn't likely but does happen). YMMV
"The other issue is you need at least 8-10 rolls with after the come out to start earning."
This is SO false. Each roll is random. You could go on a winning streak immediately, soon, sometime, or never. You have absolutely no way of predicting when or if it will happen. Each roll is a random, independent event, with the payouts less than the expected outcomes. It is how casinos stay in business.
Everything else is self-delusion.
@@richdouglas2311Agreed. So why risk $640 when you can place $35 on 4/10 and do 2 flips and you already in big profits. We all walk to the table and hoping for that one good streak. What is the probability of that is going to happen? Any system will work sometimes but not all the time.
I normally buy in for 2 to 4K.....Why on earth would I risk over $600 to secure a $96 across on the come out? Id rather be either Off on come ot (except for horn Bet) or just just place $320 across after the come.....Im a numbers guy and the risk reward on the huge bet working on the come doesnt make sense to me.....
In Michigan every table is 25 minimum for all but slots
Come watch me play that and watch the come out 7s roll.
I wanted to see a live roll test
Nice
you are correct with the strategy. the game is designed to attract $10 with the lure of winning $500. When you are better off taking $500 with a favorable chance of winning $10. I had a wonderful night couple of days ago, we had a 30+ roll, hitting all the numbers, power pressing, 6 horns and no 7-outs. Dollars and drinks were flowing, jackpot event! But most times you are lucky if you break even.
Can you do $25 on the horn instead then if the horn hits do $96 across then? Would it be more ‘safer’ if we had our risk $600+ for only one roll? Either way if it hits 7 on the come out the additional $16 on the $600+ loss is not that much. Thanks
I’m going to try this system, but at the $10 level. Will start with $320 across & same horn bet. 5,6,8,9 pay $70, so I’ll set up $64 across. If a 4,10 is rolled, I get $98, so I’ll set up $96 across. I’m willing to risk the $320 no seven for 1 or 2 rolls in order to free-roll the entire shooter. Sounds like fun
I did this on bubble craps. 320 iron cross. Then 1 hit down to a 61 ic.
I played this online for fun and lost the entire 2k
Might want to scale that initial buy-in down a bit.. Is this also known as the "7 Suicide System"?
I use 2k so I can take 2 hits ($1400) in a session. It leaves me a little wiggle room if I make a little money at some point for a possible 3rd. If I take 3 PSO then I'm just done for the day. Try again next time.
Wow go big across and pray for a 30 roll hand.... positively groundbreaking strategy.
Clearly you missed the point. $640 across with a $6 horn (David missed that I do an extra $1 on the 3 and 11) means that in a maximum of 2 rolls I have made profit from the shooter and can then regress to $96 across and now look for the long role.
@@benedman7239 and all that it's gonna take is one come out 7 and you'll be buried so deep you'll need at least a 20 roll hand to recover. You are effectively risking $646 to win on the high side $99 and the low side $44. If you get a box number now you have the opportunity to throw in more money on press moves and dilute the profit even further. Just start with $96 dollars across, you could pay for that 6.72 times with the 646 you are risking. When you consider you can expect to lose your 646 1/6 times its cheaper to skip the one hit and down hail Mary.
It doesn't take as many rolls as you think to recover but you are not wrong. PSO's hurt a lot. I've played a lot of build up systems. I've even made money a few times. My first 'big' score was 8k off of $32 across. I also lost a lot of $1200-$1500 session bank rolls trying $64 across, $44 inside, $66 inside with a sister press, $76 across (heavy 6/8). All of those need a minimum of 3 or 4 hits on any single number to break even. This one is 24 ways to win, 6 ways to push and 6 ways to lose. If I push on the first roll, I now have 30 ways to win and 6 ways to lose. Max of 2 (top of the bell curve is 8 rolls between 7's) rolls, I've made profit and I'm now poised to take full advantage of a long roll. Or even a modest roll that hits the same number a bunch of times. This system works with my bankroll and my style of play.
@@benedman7239 If it works for you and your bankroll that is all that matters, they are all losing strategies at the end of the day lol. As a side note the *average* roll length is approximately 8.3 rolls, but the data is skewed because the shortest possible roll is 2 and the longest possible roll is infinity. The *median* roll length is a better measure and is much closer to 6. Don't underestimate the 7!
@@nachosbellegrande8228 Yep - any strategy will work if the dice are in your favor. Nothing bugs me more than the guy buying in for $200 and playing quarters on the hard ways and horn numbers only to make $5000 and I'm grinding out a $44/$66 inside double tap and losing $1000 doing it. I would get to the end of the night and ask myself 'why didn't you just plop down $500 in the field and go home?'. This is my hybrid of 'dumb luck' and strategy.
Why not hop the 7s on the come out if you really are worried about that initial hit?
What happens when the point is hit? Do we keep our presses (and if so, do we keep them working)? Or Do we go back to 640 across and turn our bets on?
Pretty sure you keep the bets as is and they are on through the come out. You’re already playing with “casino money” so no need to go back to 640 across. That’s for when you DON’T have $96 in winnings to play with.
If you have a hot shooter then you're good. The good thing is the house money.
Once I get the $96 across, I go with the puck. It leaves room for some come out winners to 'reset the clock' between 7's. Sometimes I let them set the point before I put up the $640. If they set the point and make the point, I'll leave the big bet up for another shot at a bonus $140. Depends on how much gambling you feel like doing. Every roll of the dice has a 1 in 6 chance of a 7.
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Where’s the gameplay? love to see it in a live roll
Also “kick that tables ass” David
Buck 7 first roll.
Part of the luck element is when the 7 rolls. If you constantly work your bets the 7 is going to whip you.
excellent presentation
If you play this approach the seven will eat you alive
you will be facing about 20 on the come out and having 5 shooters in a row roll seven on the come out is not uncommon
gotta pick ur shooters that dont want 7s anytime
@@gbbrvern we can start in the phone book
No way. No way would I put this much up going to come out roll hoping to get my money to start with. No way
this is called the ...one hitter quitter /paly then profits
I play this bets, but never regress lol. I win thousands if 15 to 30 mins when I leave the 100 bets there.
And BTW. Do you know how often a point then seven occurs
Every roll of the dice has a 1 in 6 chance of a 7. It's roughly 16%
What if you were to wait until the point is established before the $640?
You miss your first hit and a wasted roll that's not a 7
I actually frequently do this. Let the shooter establish the point and then put the big bet out. Mathematically it doesn't matter. Every roll of the dice has a 1 in 6 chance of a 7. Physiologically hearing 'front line winner' when you just lost $646 sucks. It does put you one roll behind but 7's are coming. If you aren't working on the come out roll, those are 7's that don't hurt you.
If I ever have 2k to risk in one session...I might give this a shot.
Why even risk it on come out roll? Why not just wait till point is established?
Nevermind- duh! Lol ¯\(º_o)/¯ good video man
I do typically wait for the point to be established. From a mathematics perspective it doesn't matter but emotionally 'front line winner' sucks when you just lost $646
Instead of saying when you roll an 8 you get paid this, then you press this. On the next 8 you do this. Then the next 8... etc. How about letting the dice roll and then show us what to do. Better to have a real experience (good outcomes and bad) than just showing us saying you have multiple hits just to explain the strategy.
My broke ass got wide eyed on that original bet. Lol. I'll stick to my $5 table. 😂
5 dollar table hard to come by in bidens bullshit
No such thing as craps strategy other than avoid high house edge bets. The total house edge is just a linear combination of the house edge of each individual bet. People touting “craps strategy” are scammers and mathematically illiterate
I'm from Vancouver and I dont know no one named van ben lol.... I work the heaviest game here and I pretty much know every player here as we dont have too many lol
CASINOS WONT LET ME PLAY CRAPS BY MYSELF WITH MY STRATEGY LOL
have alex roll it
Two short pays on the horn bet just go to $64 across on a $10 table?????
David missed that I do an extra $1 on the 11/3 - it's $6 in horn action so all of the payouts get me to $32 horn on the 2nd roll where the low side pays $96 and then you can either leave the horn up and gamble or take it down as profit for that shooter.
Has a video this strange been in play been posted?
Not a wise strategy based on odds. 2 sevens rolled as mentioned in this video will set you back $1288. Ridiculous! 7 rolls more than ANY number. Not risking it!
So you don't ever play an across strategy? This one just happens to be scaled bigger than a typical $32 or $64. I just get the benefit of being completely out of risk by the 2nd roll. Might not be the version for you but it's far from ridiculous
You're really assuming alot of really long rolls here. PSO happens.
Use time stamps on your videos.
So if 7 come u all lose
Most rolls are done by time all this has taken place lol
Gambling is for people who are bad at math.
Did you come all the way to a craps video just to say that? 😂
have never played craps. feels like hes speaking another language.
When I play craps, I ALWAYS bet on black.
Try again.
The ONLY thing you don’t want to see is the 7. 😂
❓❓❓‼‼⁉⁉ my brain just melted ,....
Gotta take care of the dealers!
Best I've ever done is $640 across for them off of $15 worth of seed money. Every other session or so I get them to $160 across. They don't make a lot on the short rolls but neither does anyone else. But on the long rolls, dealers will be up more than the average player on the table.
Had another monster roll last night where I got the crew up to $640 again. Man, that's fun!
Why? What possible effect could that have on the outcome?
@@richdouglas2311 Because we play craps for entertainment. A happy dealer is a part of a good experience. It doesn't impact the roll of the dice but it will most certainly make a difference in the experience.
@@benedman7239 The best reason to play is because you're having fun. Please note that I do not judge people for playing craps (or any other form of casino gambling). But I DO judge scam artists who lie to players about how they have winning "systems." That's just a fraud.
I play blackjack. But I'm also gambling because I don't count cards and vary bets accordingly. Thus, the house has a slight edge against my perfect basic strategy. Thus, it's gambling. And I tip dealers, too, for the same reason I tip anyone else.
But, if you're trying to get as much ROI as possible in your play, tipping dealers takes away from that. I do it because I'm NOT trying to beat the house--a futile goal.
The only way to win..is to play the donts
I've tried the don't, the issue is you're still dodging the 7 on the come out roll and the 11 (8 ways to lose). Then you have somewhere between 3 and 5 ways to lose even once the point is established. For me, this makes it so I only have to doge the 7 once (twice if the first number is a horn). I love the way wagermethis works the don't and I've tried to mimic it but it just isn't my style. That's the beauty of this game - many ways to play it. Find what meets your goals and style.
@@benedman7239 just very easy to play the donts..start up is about 5k..min...point plus only dont come with 3 numbers max. If they hit a number dont come again..max odds always behind the bets
@@benedman7239 not really ..here and there...25 bucks..however..my main bet are the odds behind on each number ..usually I want 1k on table...on donts... player must hit every number that he just hit one time already...extremely hard....find that cocky shooter..step in ...bet the donts..clearer out the chip rack.....
Lot of risk for a 150 not Smart at all
How is this any different from $32 across to win $7? Or $64 across to win $14? The payouts are the same. Just scaled big enough that you can regress down to a 'normal' starting bet with 0 risk. Once I'm at $96 across a 7 can no longer hurt me.
mathematically is big loser. average roll is an eight. A lot of money out there when the seven comes
Gambling is a mathematical loser but whatever; what do you mean by average roll is an eight? On average there are 6-8 rolls between 7's. The whole point is to be 'out of the hand' in 2 rolls or less. As I've said in several posts - every roll has a 1-6 chance of a 7 roughly %16. 24 ways to win, 6 ways to push and 6 ways to lose. If the first roll pushed (horn) then it becomes 30 ways to win and 6 ways to lose. That's around %83 win probability.
run of 7's sends u home crying to momma.................. did not meet expectation s after big buildup..........................................cmon now................... take DGE over this one day and night--------math way better ddp1
I know this strategy its called remember the Alamo
@@jamesnewberry2945 funny comment,but true
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@@jamesnewberry2945 gg
I've taken some hits for sure but honestly, I've only had 4 losing sessions in 40-50hrs of table time. I'm still playing with the original 2k seed money that I put together in early Oct. Above all, this system meets my goals at the table. It matches my style of play (go big or go home) and even if I don't collect anything off of the $96 across, I still make $38 on every shooter that can throw 2 numbers. And for that shooter that can go 30 or 35 numbers I can bank thousands. YMMV