uktvcool It's not about security. It's easy enough to get a disguised camera that looks like a tie pin or pen top if you want to film discretely for nefarious purposes like recording the security measures. So obviously it's not about security, it's about flexing their powers.
"fuck off, and stop bothering me, if im doing something unlawful then call the police" what do you think about warning them? i mean technically someone so much as touching you when you dont want them to can amount to an assault, so yeah, stand your ground, and carry on!
AS time goes on there are only ever more laws and regulations to the point we will reach someday that literally everything is illegal or restricted, some would say we are already there. I wish we still had the rights we had 5 years ago.
Rod Liddle is my favourite journalist. I admire his ability to laugh at current madnesses, while I risk heart attacks when i consider the same things. I hope that they (those in power) never succeed in censoring him; if they do I will leave the country.
you do not need permission to film on public property PERIOD. If you read legislation, it is in an of itself unlawful to restrict the filming of anyone on public space for any reason.
At the end of the video the Police/PCSO have no jurisdiction in this mater. It is a civil mater not criminal. They should only be there to make sure that they "Keep the Peace".
This stuff is an appalling attack on the rights of the public, but don't blame these people in yellow jackets. They're called "jobsworths" for a good reason. You can't expect them to risk losing their jobs just by doing what they've been told to do. Blame the arseholes in management who make these stupid, fascistic rules.
Easy for you to say, sunshine! If they refuse to obey orders, they lose their jobs. Many of them have families, you know! And your Nazi-Germany reference is off the mark: the fault for the crimes of the Nazis lay with the Nazi leaders, not with the ordinary German citizen. Get off your holier-than-thou pedestal!
so Just doing your job, relieves one of any ethical or moral duty/right? Just doing your job did not work at nuremburg, they swung, most of them live in fear of "losing their job", like a burglar getting caught! as i am simply a man, ON earth, i do as i wish, without causing harm , loss or fraud to any other member of mankind, i have had police stations and council re-educated, but then,...; just do your job aye? obey and question nothing, even when they tell you they are just showers after the cattle carts, just keep paying your taxes, good slave mentality on you/ewe!
did notice in your video you had a normal staff member if he said he was security ask for his SIA licence by law he has to have it on show the same as the police and if he doesn't have one it's a £5,000 fine and 6 months in prison
One of the reasons I buy the Sunday Times is to enjoy Rod’s comments. He was once the editor of the morning BBC radio show the Today programme, on radio four. Very sharp bloke.
Hi Mark, totally agree with you - we have the same power-tripping-petty-control-freaks in abundance in Australia. Usually in the employ of our local councils, armed to the teeth with local by-laws and the power to issue expensive fines which rapidly multiply in cost if you ignore them. By the way your work looks great. I have a gh2 use it for news but find it hard in rapid focus change and zoom situations (eg: door-stop interviews). Do you have a solution (such as a comfortable rig)?
Keep those cameras! It's for everybody's Safety and Freedom including those guys in fluorescence jackets. From the US of A. Thanks for this post. It's important.
you really should do a series of these. I the future people will look back on this in utter disbelief and amazement. "I am a British Citizen" ......... Comrade.
Even if it's a camera on a tripod, you are still allowed to film and photograph as long as you are on public land. Unfortunately the jobsworths rarely know this.
Believe you me mate, in many years to come . You will have to have a pass to go from one City to another. Also you can film anywhere in Public and film any building that you can see from a public place.
Can you tell me please, i have to attend child in need meetings at my local social services re my children, am i allowed to film or record without consent?
I see your point and agree with you, but please have a go at the big, main people making these stupid rules, the execs, the managers, not the poor soul who is purely enforcing what theyve been told to do within the constraints of their job contract. They're probably on minimum wage and just being told what to do. Start at the top.
Tourists can film The Queens home Buckingham palace and the Guardsmen and police, but some nurses comes to say you can’t use a tripod or take a picture of a council office.
I like how when the yellowcoat first turns up, you can see his face, then its blanked out for "place reason here". a friend of mine once told me, if your gonna get filmed in every aspect of your life, give them something interesting to film. I like the idea of hosting a BDSM orgy in my front room with dwarfs, with the curtains wide open. haha
It seems to be the creeping advance of the Napoleonic/european dictum "you can do anything that is permitted" rather than the British version "You can do anything that isn't banned"
It's because it's very close to parliament they cannot see what you are doing behind a windbreaker and a camera on a trypod could be a disguised rifle I would guess.
I find that if you ask them where does it say that You can't film or take photos and if they have a copy of this on them to show you then they are stuck and you have every right to be able to do just that.
You're allowed to film and take pictures in picture galleries where it's really annoying. It's not like they're ever going to watch the footage back...probably.
Just ask to see ‘The Policy’ in writing, if the jobsworth has not got it, say you’ll wait for them to fetch it. Evidence is needed before they can stop filming etc. Verbal communication is not sufficient evidence.
Watched the video, and couldn't help but think ............................. Good advertising for Shepherd & Neame Beers .............. didn't mention if you got permission to film from one of their pubs though lol
Unfortunately these, 'jobsworths' will lose their minimum wage jobs if they don't do what they are told by the very well paid Council management. These guys are on the sharp end and also have to contend with being humiliated on social media. Go round the council leaders' house and not only will it piss them off, you might actually get answers from the people who made these rules on high.
Rod, you are a remarkable copy of Deitrich (Stephen Fry) in V for Vendetta. Aren't the similarities between what you describe and that film a little too shocking? Well done, mate.
It would be funny to have lots of camera people on the site so when they asked you to stop filming, you said 'Why, he is?' and when they went to that one, he pointed out another. Ad infinitum.
Funny little chappy with the ladies ring in his ear, Oh Dear ! Those yellow jackets are to show you are the lower classes compared to the upper classes.
Are you familiar with the Count Dankula case. It's not just in public. Offensive internet humour is now seemingly policed by the UK equivalent of the Saudi department of vice and virtue. www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html th-cam.com/video/taC-sc5UVuo/w-d-xo.html
People have been so ground down by constant dictates by successive governments, it's like second nature to just do as your told! Not me, I will argue with one and all regardless of how many times they voice their favourite mantra...."that's not allowed" I recently was walking down a street and for reasons only known to themselves the council had taped off the bottom of the road, which meant to get to the other side you would literally have to walk all the way round the block of flats, there was the usual council man sitting in his van doing nothing, so I enquired why He had tapped off the end of the road? No adequate reply was given so I just lifted up the rope and walked under it upon which the guy in the van gets out of his van and starts dictating to me like a little Nazi, including threatening me with the police, I told him I will gladly wait while he called the police, he then went into an tirade of abusive language......I told him I could go on my journey if that's what he preferred or alternatively I can come back under his little barricade and smash his van to pieces that would give him something to call the police for needless to say he had nothing more to say so I went on my journey..... That's jobsworths for you!
...and then as soon as a crime does occur, the police are the first to ask for filmed footage from the public to try and catch the perpetrators...What comes first, the chicken or the egg? Or rather, the absence of police on the beat or the crime committed....
"No. Now piss off" The easiest way to deal with all fluorescent jacket permission wankers, except maybe PCSOs where just to save them having a hissy fit and calling the non-special olympics PCs it's easier just to say "No"
It's often said that in the U.S. you can do anything until someone says you can't, but in Britain you can't do anything until someone says you can.
When we give up our freedoms and liberties for the sake of security we lose both.
uktvcool It's not about security. It's easy enough to get a disguised camera that looks like a tie pin or pen top if you want to film discretely for nefarious purposes like recording the security measures. So obviously it's not about security, it's about flexing their powers.
prophetic
We have no freedom. we have never been free.Ask Julian Assange and Craig Murray.
I often find that a good firm "Piss off" often works well.
"fuck off, and stop bothering me, if im doing something unlawful then call the police" what do you think about warning them? i mean technically someone so much as touching you when you dont want them to can amount to an assault, so yeah, stand your ground, and carry on!
One day those yellows diggs will get a mouthful in their Face....it just needs a bit more time to get the battons pushed that deep
Nice one, Mr Liddle
I like this stuff. Why am I only getting it fed to me by TH-cam six years later?
Rod, why have you not got your own TV Channel? Such a professional approach to Little Britain.
i think he shuld have aTV channel
That was so funny when he put that fluoro top on to guide people onto the the other side of the pavement. We are really all just sheep aren't we!
How little freedom we have, highlighted by people like Ron Liddle,
AS time goes on there are only ever more laws and regulations to the point we will reach someday that literally everything is illegal or restricted, some would say we are already there.
I wish we still had the rights we had 5 years ago.
Rod Liddle is my favourite journalist. I admire his ability to laugh at current madnesses, while I risk heart attacks when i consider the same things. I hope that they (those in power) never succeed in censoring him; if they do I will leave the country.
Westminster we own it, anything public we own it so yes we can film in any public place its ours understand dummies.
Why is gardener worried about permission ? Is he KGB ?
you do not need permission to film on public property PERIOD. If you read legislation, it is in an of itself unlawful to restrict the filming of anyone on public space for any reason.
At the end of the video the Police/PCSO have no jurisdiction in this mater. It is a civil mater not criminal. They should only be there to make sure that they "Keep the Peace".
Five years on and it's worse.
Second Chance and will only get worse
This is why I love the work of auditors, I know some are OTT but it's essential work IMO.
Keep up the good work rod follow your column all the time
This stuff is an appalling attack on the rights of the public, but don't blame these people in yellow jackets. They're called "jobsworths" for a good reason. You can't expect them to risk losing their jobs just by doing what they've been told to do. Blame the arseholes in management who make these stupid, fascistic rules.
Easy for you to say, sunshine! If they refuse to obey orders, they lose their jobs. Many of them have families, you know! And your Nazi-Germany reference is off the mark: the fault for the crimes of the Nazis lay with the Nazi leaders, not with the ordinary German citizen. Get off your holier-than-thou pedestal!
Well said.
so Just doing your job, relieves one of any ethical or moral duty/right? Just doing your job did not work at nuremburg, they swung, most of them live in fear of "losing their job", like a burglar getting caught! as i am simply a man, ON earth, i do as i wish, without causing harm , loss or fraud to any other member of mankind, i have had police stations and council re-educated, but then,...; just do your job aye? obey and question nothing, even when they tell you they are just showers after the cattle carts, just keep paying your taxes, good slave mentality on you/ewe!
What drug are you on?
But you can expect them to understand exactly what powers they do or don't have, and to be able to explain these when asked.
I love the post-asking blurring of faces. And that they kept in everything before that.
Well done and well said . You Sir are a 'gentleman and an honest patriot Sir' .
did notice in your video you had a normal staff member if he said he was security ask for his SIA licence by law he has to have it on show the same as the police and if he doesn't have one it's a £5,000 fine and 6 months in prison
Oooohhh! Dave, I like that, I like that a lot! 👍👍👍👍
Not strictly true. If they are directly employed by the company they don't need one. If they are contract, as Dave the biker says, they do.
Nathan Way It's one of those English Laws that can be made up as you go along...
Westminster parks policy
Simple filming involving handheld
equipment only, maximum 5 people No application required
E W No application just the Permission...
"They all did what they were told." How terrible, terrible sad. Thank you for this post.
One of the reasons I buy the Sunday Times is to enjoy Rod’s comments. He was once the editor of the morning BBC radio show the Today programme, on radio four. Very sharp bloke.
You should organize a flash mob with cameras 😁
well, bloody done love your approach.
Brilliant video.
Thank god we have ppl like Rod L!
Hi Mark, totally agree with you - we have the same power-tripping-petty-control-freaks in abundance in Australia. Usually in the employ of our local councils, armed to the teeth with local by-laws and the power to issue expensive fines which rapidly multiply in cost if you ignore them.
By the way your work looks great. I have a gh2 use it for news but find it hard in rapid focus change and zoom situations (eg: door-stop interviews). Do you have a solution (such as a comfortable rig)?
Keep those cameras! It's for everybody's Safety and Freedom including those guys in fluorescence jackets. From the US of A. Thanks for this post. It's important.
Jobsworth. My favourite word in the english language, perfectly describes and shames little people with no authority.
Thanks for sharing this instant sub
you really should do a series of these. I the future people will look back on this in utter disbelief and amazement. "I am a British Citizen" ......... Comrade.
Hi I am from the future and these were the good old days.
Even more relevant today, plus you would need a mask or risk being arrested
Even if it's a camera on a tripod, you are still allowed to film and photograph as long as you are on public land. Unfortunately the jobsworths rarely know this.
Simply excellent by Rod:
Statute act definition is given the force of law? meaning without your consent contract of joinder there is no force of law, as you have not given it?
Believe you me mate, in many years to come . You will have to have a pass to go from one City to another. Also you can film anywhere in Public and film any building that you can see from a public place.
Love him!
I enjoyed that well done
Nice one, Rodders
7:30 "That's the policy".
Policy cannot overrule the law.
5.35, if he's a 'British national' then I'm from mars!
El Diablo Ref you from the Mars you should haf Passport , interGalactic...
Can you tell me please, i have to attend child in need meetings at my local social services re my children, am i allowed to film or record without consent?
I see your point and agree with you, but please have a go at the big, main people making these stupid rules, the execs, the managers, not the poor soul who is purely enforcing what theyve been told to do within the constraints of their job contract. They're probably on minimum wage and just being told what to do. Start at the top.
The bloke in the green top British Citizen my arse lol
Tourists can film The Queens home Buckingham palace and the Guardsmen and police, but some nurses comes to say you can’t use a tripod or take a picture of a council office.
I like how when the yellowcoat first turns up, you can see his face, then its blanked out for "place reason here". a friend of mine once told me, if your gonna get filmed in every aspect of your life, give them something interesting to film. I like the idea of hosting a BDSM orgy in my front room with dwarfs, with the curtains wide open. haha
Nice little diamond ear stud in that park guys right ear... 😂
Should have told him he needs permission to talk to you
That's it - I'm getting a yellow jacket. You get to do all kinds of stuff when you've got a yellow jacket.
😅😅😅
Brilliant
I love him so much. Only RL would dress up and make people do stupid things to make himself happy
Good luck with "Taking Back Control"
so funny and illuminating
Southbank is another horrendous place for filming. Been stopped several times. I find they have problems with tripods more than camera's.
It's like you're living in the world of A Clockwork Orange
Rod Liddle's definitely got issues... issues of Top Gear magazine!
Yessssss Rod keep it up lad
Why do you blur their faces? Toughen up.
It seems to be the creeping advance of the Napoleonic/european dictum "you can do anything that is permitted" rather than the British version "You can do anything that isn't banned"
Is that Jeff Kennet the Victorian Premier from 92 - 99 behind you?
It's because it's very close to parliament they cannot see what you are doing behind a windbreaker and a camera on a trypod could be a disguised rifle I would guess.
I find that if you ask them where does it say that You can't film or take photos and if they have a copy of this on them to show you then they are stuck and you have every right to be able to do just that.
Damn! I wish we could have watched you see these situations through. Why were YOU so quiescent though? I feel your pain!
Does an orange high visibility jacket trump a yellow one?
bob niblitt Only on the railways.
Rod is so good looking...
You're allowed to film and take pictures in picture galleries where it's really annoying. It's not like they're ever going to watch the footage back...probably.
Let's just say nooo enough is enough
Nice one Rod. Common sense Ambassador
What does it matter if its press or not?
Just ask to see ‘The Policy’ in writing, if the jobsworth has not got it, say you’ll wait for them to fetch it. Evidence is needed before they can stop filming etc. Verbal communication is not sufficient evidence.
Oi you, you got a license for your opinions?
The russian dude's name is chucka molatov.
Incorrect! His name is Ivan Itchyanus.
@@loafersheffield knobba slobbdonavitch
Watched the video, and couldn't help but think ............................. Good advertising for Shepherd & Neame Beers .............. didn't mention if you got permission to film from one of their pubs though lol
Unfortunately these, 'jobsworths' will lose their minimum wage jobs if they don't do what they are told by the very well paid Council management. These guys are on the sharp end and also have to contend with being humiliated on social media. Go round the council leaders' house and not only will it piss them off, you might actually get answers from the people who made these rules on high.
Why do you think they are on minimum wage ?
@Tommy Dunne Ah you don't know what a Scab is ! Ffs
Very brave council employee confornfronting a respected jurno from the Times LOL
The words 'fuck off' do exist for this very situation
Or the steps of a court (Ask Tommy Robinson)
Wouldn't ask that charlatan the time of day
I doubt they stop people from making videos with their cell phones. Perhaps you should bring that up. Or even use a cell phone yourself.
Rod, you are a remarkable copy of Deitrich (Stephen Fry) in V for Vendetta. Aren't the similarities between what you describe and that film a little too shocking? Well done, mate.
maybe we should all put on high viz jackets haha
I was told to stop filming by the same polish guy. Admitidly his issue was my tripod. Once I lost the tripod he let me carry on.
Good onya Rod..!! ;-)
It would be funny to have lots of camera people on the site so when they asked you to stop filming, you said 'Why, he is?' and when they went to that one, he pointed out another. Ad infinitum.
lol well 7 years later and now they are covid Marshall's
I SPY WITH MY BLOODY BIG EYE SOMETHING SPYING ON ME !
I would have taught yellow jacket at 0.40 some good old fashioned Anglo Saxon.
Just say "no, go away. Call police if you like but just go away."
What about Google maps and Google Street view.
Funny little chappy with the ladies ring in his ear, Oh Dear ! Those yellow jackets are to show you are the lower classes compared to the upper classes.
Yep, the flat cap of the 21st century.
Respect to rob liddle
great man
Speaks for the common sense nation
It's the beginning of the gulags, where anybody can arrest you. Look at Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's book The Gulag Archipelago. Or better still 1984.
Are you familiar with the Count Dankula case. It's not just in public. Offensive internet humour is now seemingly policed by the UK equivalent of the Saudi department of vice and virtue.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html
th-cam.com/video/taC-sc5UVuo/w-d-xo.html
what you should do is wear a badge that say i have permission to do anything i want and i have a the licences i need to carry out anything i want.
Then our taxes should not go fore the upkeep or private footpaths?
Common Law. Thank you, and good day...
Has anything changes with the right to film in your country?
People have been so ground down by constant dictates by successive governments, it's like second nature to just do as your told! Not me, I will argue with one and all regardless of how many times they voice their favourite mantra...."that's not allowed" I recently was walking down a street and for reasons only known to themselves the council had taped off the bottom of the road, which meant to get to the other side you would literally have to walk all the way round the block of flats, there was the usual council man sitting in his van doing nothing, so I enquired why He had tapped off the end of the road? No adequate reply was given so I just lifted up the rope and walked under it upon which the guy in the van gets out of his van and starts dictating to me like a little Nazi, including threatening me with the police, I told him I will gladly wait while he called the police, he then went into an tirade of abusive language......I told him I could go on my journey if that's what he preferred or alternatively I can come back under his little barricade and smash his van to pieces that would give him something to call the police for needless to say he had nothing more to say so I went on my journey..... That's jobsworths for you!
Could I take a film crew into your garden please?
...and then as soon as a crime does occur, the police are the first to ask for filmed footage from the public to try and catch the perpetrators...What comes first, the chicken or the egg? Or rather, the absence of police on the beat or the crime committed....
"No. Now piss off" The easiest way to deal with all fluorescent jacket permission wankers, except maybe PCSOs where just to save them having a hissy fit and calling the non-special olympics PCs it's easier just to say "No"