I have been watching your videos for some months now. I am just now watching this one [2017!!], all your videos help me understand something. But this one has really caused me to look at youtube and how to use it in a whole new different light!!! Thanks and keep making these in-depth and educational videos. They help give us all a great respect for all aspects of film making!!!
Your content is some of the best I've seen on TH-cam, I've learned so much about films and the science behind them in the time I've been subscribed to your channel.
Great video! Your channel is simple amazing. May I make a video suggestion theme? Maybe you could make some video talking about digital VS film, and you know... telling about the whole history of the digital cinema, 4K, 8K, and so on.. And I don't know if it's something that you have in mind.. But I think, definitely, many people would enjoy.
Really great! Thank you! Learned some new things. Funny that a few months ago, I had a conversation with a friend of mine about how they share box office earnings and had no idea about it :) Now, I am ready for the conversation
Hi, love your videos! Especially the science and history of colour in film. I think a video about the History and Science of the Film Dissolve would be amazing!
Great video again John!! I liked the final part... TH-cam is really amazing for filmmakers when you have a lot of information about your videos. I'm sure tv will dissapear in the future and users'll join some playlist or youtube channel. In fact, here ads are more direct and effective.
I love your channel. I suggest everybody to watch all these videos multiple times. is there a chance you can make a video on the movie studios and the film libraries and mergers/acquisitions?
Very informative video. TH-cam actually looks so hypocritic. At 19:28 John says that a view is considered a view by TH-cam if a person got what they wanted and had a good experience, so autoplay videos don't count. Right? But lo and behold, TH-cam is introducing their autoplay feature which plays videos people don't want and which doesn't provide a good experience. It's just.... ugh.
Do you have any idea of how much help you are providing to aspiring film makers such as me. :) Wonderful lesson John. How often do your videos come out? Once a month? And what all online resources do you have excepting your TH-cam channel and website? Thank you. :)
Nithin Anil Follow us on Facebook and Twitter - we provide a lot of stuff there. Next month FilmmakerIQ will turn seven years old and we have something really big coming up.
John, I'm sure you hear this all the time, but your videos are amazing! How about a "behind the scenes" video at some point? We can learn how to properly prep a script, rehearse, perform, and edit. That would be an awesome experience for us, your audience! Thank you for all you do!!! :-)
I love these videos, keep up the good work! Could I suggest a video on animation or animated features? I'm curious on how they affect the film industry and the role they play.
+filmmakerIQ I'm and eleven people ear old and has been getting really into filmmaking. Tried to find another channel to learn from besides film riot, DSLRguide, d4Darious (they are all great channels). You just earned a sub.
Please make a video on budgets!! I see net gross and pruduction budget numbers but have no ideas whether the production company has made money. After being splited half for exibitors, is the gross again cut in half for distributors? And whose money (distributor's or producer's) is used for the movie production?
Sonwoo Kim Budgets would be good to do a video on. The examples we're giving are really mainly for studio films. The Studio will raise the money to fund the film and pays the production company - every case is different obviously - but generally the production company doesn't get a cut of the gross - most of the time they are considered "below the line" and get paid whether or not the movie makes money. Again- situations will vary. The money remaining after the Exhibitor's cut is then split among the distributor, investors, and stars and producers who have the points in their contract.
Love the videos Was this shot on an A7s? The noise in the darks leads me to think its 8bit slog2 shot at "correct exposure" Also couldn't help but notice a boom shadow
John Lee Shot on BMCC I don't think that's the boom shadow (the boom's not anywhere near a light), we do some multilayer greenscreen work to compensate for hair and glasses. We'll try to keep an eye on that.
I have to wonder if the desire for high resolution data on viewership will one day spell the end to scheduled television outside of live feeds such as news and sports. the DVR already has millions or even tens of millions not watching shows in their original time slots. But with VOD a company like Comcast has very precise data on what shows are watched.
At 14:30 the rating for the 10PM show goes up. If fewer TVs in the Universe are on, shouldn't the rating be lower? The share is higher because of those fewer TVs, a higher percentage is tuned to the show. Am I misunderstanding the rating as a percentage of the Universe?
Juan Aguilar Opps that was a mistake, I shouldn't have said some that they turned off their TVs because if you did the math it's the opposite. To clarify: Rating is just pure percentage of all TVs regardless of whether that household has the TV on or not - it's the Share that reflects if the TV is on or not. So if your rating stays the same but people in the universe are turning the TVs off, then your share will rise. Let's go through this example with some numbers - say our unverse is 1000 Households. At 8PM, 28 HH are watching - that's a 2.8 Rating (28/1000). Of the 1000 HH in the Universe only 311 have their TVs turned on. So our share is 28/311 which is 9.0. Now at 10PM, 34 HH are watching - up 6 - that's a 3.4 Rating (34/1000). Now of the 1000 HH in the Universe, 340 have their TV on (actually higher than 8PM) which gives us a 10 share (34/340) But what's interesting is that even though the Rating and Share both rise, the number of people estimated watching fell. That's because perhaps families were watching Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer at the Christmas parties at 8PM (lots of people per TV set) - then they turned it off and lonely singles like myself turned on the TV set at 10PM to watch Victoria's Secret Fashion show (only one person watching per TV set).
1) Surprised to see a video as FilmakerIQ hasn't updated their site in a while. 2) There's some kind of distortion that makes John's beard look like a pencil animation. 3) The other measure that could be discussed is the test audience.
forfluf 1: follow our Twitter/Facebook/G+ streams we've been posting a ton but decided to stop posting as we wait for a major site change which will happen next month. 2. how do you know it's not a pencil animation? 3. test audiences are for figuring out how a movie works on people - we were looking strictly at how distribution is calculated.
Filmmaker IQ 1) I'll check it. 2) Maybe the whole thing should be an animation, I should rig a John P. Hess for one of these segments. :P 3) The test audience is a fascinating theme for a future video is what I was angling for.
Filmmaker IQ Great Video as usual John. I have to tell ya..."2. how do you know it's not a pencil animation?" is now on my list of top ten comment responses ever...glad I wasn't drinking something when I read it. :)
Do modern cable systems make Neilson obsolete? I would imagine its trivial for Comcast to know what I am watching. And due to how HDMI works the box knows when the TV set is actually powered on which would prevent false positives from boxes left on.
+David Kearns (Filanwizard) Actually it's a bit more complicated than you think. Cable in basic form is a one way street much like over the air - all the channels are flowing through the cable into your house and your cable box just decodes the signal coming in. There's no communication between the cable company and your cable box needed. But DVR services and On Demand require some kind of communications so there are definitely boxes that speak back to the cable server. Honestly I'm not that well versed on the technology but if anything, it's probably more complicated then ever before - and Neilson does try to keep up on it.
The question, however, is whether or not measuring the mere amount of views is a good way to determine the value of an online video for advertisers. So for example, I'm both subscribed to Filmmaker IQ and FailArmy: Your videos make roughly 10k-50k views each (neglecting occasional viral ones), while FailArmy videos make about 2m-5m on average. But a FailArmy video just doesn't matter to me as much as one of yours. 5 minutes after watching I have already forgotten about what happened. After all fails are not something you extensively discuss with others either. They are mere distraction. Your videos on the other hand stay in my head for much longer. They are interesting and helpful and inspiring and that's why I truly care about them. They ultimately enrich my life in a way. So I think it's fair to say that views very much differ in quality. Shouldn't that be measured in a way, too? Because as an advertiser I'd rather be interested in whether the audience is truly engaged or just simply distracting themselves than in the view count alone.
Julmeni The quality of the film doesn't actually matter - just how much money it brings. If a film is very popular, then it's much more likely that a persen who didn't see it will like it too. (and buy a ticket for it...) PS: That's why Michael Bay films are still brought out big ;)
Julmeni There are other TH-cam metrics involved like how long do people watch - subscribers driven - viewing location (on TH-cam or through another site) and obviously those things do matter to advertisers. It's not sheer numbers. And thank you for watching!! We do our best to add something to the conversation. :)
Merthalophor I give Michael Bay a pass. At this point, if you go into a Michael Bay movie expecting something more than eye candy - the blame's on you. He makes what he makes - lots of people love it or at least will pay money to see it. I have no issue with that. (I thought Transformers 3 was underrated :P )
Jason Wiener It's a feature because some site owners want it but it would be cheating if it added to your play count. But if you're referring to TH-cam's auto play in the right corner there - I'm not sure... That's Google for ya...
I always thought that sales figures should be given in ticket numbers not dollars because 1 person in 1939 is the same as 1 person in 2039, but $1 is not. But I understand why Hollywood doesn't want to do that because it would become too obvious that attendance has been essentially in decline for decades.
The thing is it doesn't matter how many people see a show in theaters - it matters how much money is made. For the movie itself, if it makes $100 dollars, it doesn't really matter whether that $100 is from 10 people or 5 people - the movie distributer is going to take it's cut from the gross receipts not the number of tickets sold. The bottom line is what matters for financial reporting - reporting ticket sales would get in the way of that (it's not a simply multiplication as there are tiered pricing based on time, age, and presentation format) Now if you wanted to do a statistical analysis of movie attendance over large number of years - that's a non-financial study. But I would argue that 1 person in 1939 is not the same as one person in 2017 or whatever year. What other entertainment options were available in 1939 - certainly not TV but there was radio and live music? How much "movie entertainment" did that person get (double feature plus newsreels, a short and a cartoon). How many other movie theaters were in play where he was at. How much advertising was she exposed for the movie. How much money was spent on the production of the film in question? You may find that yes theater attendance is shrinking... but Theatrical is only one avenue, there's streaming, television, physical sales, and even piracy to think about.
What I guess I don't understand is why the number of tickets are never reported. If actual ticket numbers were widely reported success of a film could be understood for decades regardless of inflation of ticket prices. Star Wars and Snow White would still be in the top ten most successful, and there would be a better understanding of the impact of those films for society. Surely now, if not in the 20th century, electronic ticket numbers could be easily counted.
+JP Kloess Number of tickets might be a better metric for historians looking to compare movies in a social light- but dollar amount is much more important financially. On top of that - not all tickets are sold equally - a movie might have a great matinee presence but die off for night showings (lots of kids movies for example). Or it could have a poor opening but do really well in a second run theater - with dollar count instead of ticket count, those discounts in the ticket price are already added into the final figure. It's just so much easier for the beancounters to use dollar figures to get a sense of how much profit and loss a movie makes - because the bottom line is they don't really care how many people saw the movie, but if it made any money.
I first tout that tv's and radio's dit had a builtin people meter builtin to anonimically tell the tv broadcaster the amount of watchers at wich time sothat a analogue/digital computer could messure out what you were watching based on the time,so for example channel A knows you watching football based on tome 17,00 o clock while channel B knows you were watching a commedy based on time 20.00 o clock etc,,, and radio channel A knows you were listening to that program based on time 15 o ck etc,,,you may think but how can you transfer a broadcast and a back signal from and back to those broadcasters without interferring eachother on 1 antenna or cable,simply by decoding the back signal in a high freq while the recieved signal is a low freq,but no,there is no fair estimation about it.
But these days dont they just use a blue ray disk to give the theatures to play the damn movie because even with the case its cheaper, stronger then flim, easier to ship and store, and the 16 year old can probably press play at the right time to start the movie (i have no idea how movie theatures actually work besides the fact you go into a big room that gets dark and plays a great hd movie with great sound) since i immagine film is fragle and a bit hard to load into a projector
I'm a professional - but not as a projectionist. I've been in projectionists booths though but last time I spent a lot of time there they were still showing platters of film.
Alao with tv ratings i would think that neslon ratings are out of date because if tv networks want to cash in they could probably work out a deal with cable providers disk network and comcast and such were the data of what each cable box is streaming and recording being sent to the tv networks and counted on a server i say this because well my tv shows me what current show is being played on a channel and can even show me a show recorded on another cable box in the house so i dont think it would be too hard
+matt carnes well it gets very complicated and what we just showed here was the basic TV rating system. You run into issues like people not having cable boxes and trying to get all the data to measure cross all different platforms is difficult to do. Thing is Nielsen is really the major brand that's handling all of those contingencies. Like I said there's a whole industry and career in this kind of data management
Filmmaker IQ Oh, and I'd add (or change to) "how meaningful they are", really into that subjective (but usually unanimous) territory of if the Best Pic winner was truly the best movie in the year, and so...
Daniel Rosa I haven't done the research yet but I know an Oscar win doesn't necessarily mean the film is remembered better - but it does mean it makes a lot more money (and the people that were responsible for itcan ask for more money)
srnksyh You're right - though I guess technically Viacom of today is a spinoff of the old Viacom which changed it's name to CBS. But the new Viacom does own Paramount and a bunch of Cable Channels... this mess is really hard to parse out :P
IMHO. Theaters relying on popcorn and soda revenues is a flawed business strategy undermining the entire industry, and it will eventually put the movie industry in comatose state. Selling pop corntwice the price of the ticket is stupid. It should be the other way around. Given the fact that "most" theaters are located inside shopping malls, movie tickets should on the contrary bring along some benefits (like discounts) for the moviegoers in other stores and food court etc. People love discounts and this I believe will perpetuate the business.
Fact of the matter is, I'm not sure people are THAT sensitive to movie ticket prices. If you dropped the price of the movie ticket by $1 - are you really going to see more people getting dressed up to go out on dinner and movie date? Fact is, as a theater, you are playing a loosing game against Netflix and other at home entertainment if you want to compete on price alone. That said, the second run theater which has half cost tickets is always pretty crowded... ;)
Filmmaker IQ I think drawing people in is why we see more 3D and more IMAX, Both are still things hard to replicate at home. IMAX is pretty much impossible(for now) and 3D TV has always been hit or miss. And hey say what people will about Avatar, But I honestly felt it was well worth the $16 to see it in IMAX 3D.. Sure its still fun on my plasma but its just not as awesome as IMAX 3D.
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Love it.
John W. King As always, thanks for watching!
I really like the way you talk, not fast paced, you keep it simple, and its very understandable.
Thank you so much for your breathtakingly well-researched and entertainingly delivered work. :)
john that was so interesting! well done on presenting what could have been such a dry subject
I have been watching your videos for some months now. I am just now watching this one [2017!!], all your videos help me understand something. But this one has really caused me to look at youtube and how to use it in a whole new different light!!! Thanks and keep making these in-depth and educational videos. They help give us all a great respect for all aspects of film making!!!
Every frame a painting and Filmmaker IQ my favourites!! Amazing videos.
Your content is some of the best I've seen on TH-cam, I've learned so much about films and the science behind them in the time I've been subscribed to your channel.
Always wondered about this subject. J. Hess presents this material clearly. Thanks Sir!
You sound just like "The Engineer Guy"! He explains how some engineering principles work. I love it.
Great video! Your channel is simple amazing. May I make a video suggestion theme? Maybe you could make some video talking about digital VS film, and you know... telling about the whole history of the digital cinema, 4K, 8K, and so on..
And I don't know if it's something that you have in mind.. But I think, definitely, many people would enjoy.
***** You get a hint of that in our video on the journey to modern NLE videos:
th-cam.com/video/TIVYeyWHajE/w-d-xo.html
wow, i`ve always wanted to know more about TV audience measurement, but now i know about Radio and theaters as well, thanks this was very informative.
This vid was actually a lot more interesting than I thought it would be.
Really great! Thank you! Learned some new things. Funny that a few months ago, I had a conversation with a friend of mine about how they share box office earnings and had no idea about it :) Now, I am ready for the conversation
Hi, love your videos! Especially the science and history of colour in film. I think a video about the History and Science of the Film Dissolve would be amazing!
***** We'll have to look into that one -I bet there's something interesting there.
Great video again John!! I liked the final part... TH-cam is really amazing for filmmakers when you have a lot of information about your videos. I'm sure tv will dissapear in the future and users'll join some playlist or youtube channel. In fact, here ads are more direct and effective.
Filmmaker IQ always provides informative and entertaining videos! It would be cool to see a behind-the-scenes of an episode. :)
another good informative video. love this channel
I LOVE THIS VIDEO. Teaches you so much
Thanks so for such a comprehensive answer to a question I have asked when I see these seemingly inflated figures.
I love your channel. I suggest everybody to watch all these videos multiple times.
is there a chance you can make a video on the movie studios and the film libraries and mergers/acquisitions?
Very informative video.
TH-cam actually looks so hypocritic. At 19:28 John says that a view is considered a view by TH-cam if a person got what they wanted and had a good experience, so autoplay videos don't count. Right? But lo and behold, TH-cam is introducing their autoplay feature which plays videos people don't want and which doesn't provide a good experience. It's just.... ugh.
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One-eyed, purple horn people meter.
I laughed so hard!
8 Films That's the line that made me remember to like the video.
I watched this when it was at the 301 view point! :-)
Do you have any idea of how much help you are providing to aspiring film makers such as me. :) Wonderful lesson John. How often do your videos come out? Once a month? And what all online resources do you have excepting your TH-cam channel and website? Thank you. :)
Nithin Anil Follow us on Facebook and Twitter - we provide a lot of stuff there.
Next month FilmmakerIQ will turn seven years old and we have something really big coming up.
John, I'm sure you hear this all the time, but your videos are amazing! How about a "behind the scenes" video at some point? We can learn how to properly prep a script, rehearse, perform, and edit. That would be an awesome experience for us, your audience! Thank you for all you do!!! :-)
I love these videos, keep up the good work! Could I suggest a video on animation or animated features? I'm curious on how they affect the film industry and the role they play.
JaxLynnstarAnimate Animation would be a great one to look at.
+filmmakerIQ I'm and eleven people ear old and has been getting really into filmmaking. Tried to find another channel to learn from besides film riot, DSLRguide, d4Darious (they are all great channels). You just earned a sub.
Another great vid...very interesting..
Very informative, thank you!
Box Office Numbers are in... But what do they mean? Check out our lesson on how to measure an audience:
I loved Wilhelm in the beginning.
Please make a video on budgets!! I see net gross and pruduction budget numbers but have no ideas whether the production company has made money. After being splited half for exibitors, is the gross again cut in half for distributors?
And whose money (distributor's or producer's) is used for the movie production?
Sonwoo Kim Budgets would be good to do a video on.
The examples we're giving are really mainly for studio films. The Studio will raise the money to fund the film and pays the production company - every case is different obviously - but generally the production company doesn't get a cut of the gross - most of the time they are considered "below the line" and get paid whether or not the movie makes money. Again- situations will vary. The money remaining after the Exhibitor's cut is then split among the distributor, investors, and stars and producers who have the points in their contract.
Love the videos
Was this shot on an A7s? The noise in the darks leads me to think its 8bit slog2 shot at "correct exposure"
Also couldn't help but notice a boom shadow
John Lee Shot on BMCC
I don't think that's the boom shadow (the boom's not anywhere near a light), we do some multilayer greenscreen work to compensate for hair and glasses. We'll try to keep an eye on that.
Very informative video :) thx
I have to wonder if the desire for high resolution data on viewership will one day spell the end to scheduled television outside of live feeds such as news and sports. the DVR already has millions or even tens of millions not watching shows in their original time slots. But with VOD a company like Comcast has very precise data on what shows are watched.
At 14:30 the rating for the 10PM show goes up. If fewer TVs in the Universe are on, shouldn't the rating be lower? The share is higher because of those fewer TVs, a higher percentage is tuned to the show. Am I misunderstanding the rating as a percentage of the Universe?
Juan Aguilar Opps that was a mistake, I shouldn't have said some that they turned off their TVs because if you did the math it's the opposite.
To clarify: Rating is just pure percentage of all TVs regardless of whether that household has the TV on or not - it's the Share that reflects if the TV is on or not. So if your rating stays the same but people in the universe are turning the TVs off, then your share will rise.
Let's go through this example with some numbers - say our unverse is 1000 Households. At 8PM, 28 HH are watching - that's a 2.8 Rating (28/1000). Of the 1000 HH in the Universe only 311 have their TVs turned on. So our share is 28/311 which is 9.0.
Now at 10PM, 34 HH are watching - up 6 - that's a 3.4 Rating (34/1000). Now of the 1000 HH in the Universe, 340 have their TV on (actually higher than 8PM) which gives us a 10 share (34/340)
But what's interesting is that even though the Rating and Share both rise, the number of people estimated watching fell. That's because perhaps families were watching Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer at the Christmas parties at 8PM (lots of people per TV set) - then they turned it off and lonely singles like myself turned on the TV set at 10PM to watch Victoria's Secret Fashion show (only one person watching per TV set).
1) Surprised to see a video as FilmakerIQ hasn't updated their site in a while.
2) There's some kind of distortion that makes John's beard look like a pencil animation.
3) The other measure that could be discussed is the test audience.
forfluf 1: follow our Twitter/Facebook/G+ streams we've been posting a ton but decided to stop posting as we wait for a major site change which will happen next month.
2. how do you know it's not a pencil animation?
3. test audiences are for figuring out how a movie works on people - we were looking strictly at how distribution is calculated.
Filmmaker IQ
1) I'll check it.
2) Maybe the whole thing should be an animation, I should rig a John P. Hess for one of these segments. :P
3) The test audience is a fascinating theme for a future video is what I was angling for.
Filmmaker IQ Great Video as usual John. I have to tell ya..."2. how do you know it's not a pencil animation?" is now on my list of top ten comment responses ever...glad I wasn't drinking something when I read it. :)
Do modern cable systems make Neilson obsolete? I would imagine its trivial for Comcast to know what I am watching. And due to how HDMI works the box knows when the TV set is actually powered on which would prevent false positives from boxes left on.
+David Kearns (Filanwizard) Actually it's a bit more complicated than you think. Cable in basic form is a one way street much like over the air - all the channels are flowing through the cable into your house and your cable box just decodes the signal coming in. There's no communication between the cable company and your cable box needed.
But DVR services and On Demand require some kind of communications so there are definitely boxes that speak back to the cable server.
Honestly I'm not that well versed on the technology but if anything, it's probably more complicated then ever before - and Neilson does try to keep up on it.
The question, however, is whether or not measuring the mere amount of views is a good way to determine the value of an online video for advertisers.
So for example, I'm both subscribed to Filmmaker IQ and FailArmy: Your videos make roughly 10k-50k views each (neglecting occasional viral ones), while FailArmy videos make about 2m-5m on average.
But a FailArmy video just doesn't matter to me as much as one of yours. 5 minutes after watching I have already forgotten about what happened. After all fails are not something you extensively discuss with others either. They are mere distraction.
Your videos on the other hand stay in my head for much longer. They are interesting and helpful and inspiring and that's why I truly care about them. They ultimately enrich my life in a way.
So I think it's fair to say that views very much differ in quality. Shouldn't that be measured in a way, too? Because as an advertiser I'd rather be interested in whether the audience is truly engaged or just simply distracting themselves than in the view count alone.
Julmeni The quality of the film doesn't actually matter - just how much money it brings. If a film is very popular, then it's much more likely that a persen who didn't see it will like it too. (and buy a ticket for it...)
PS: That's why Michael Bay films are still brought out big ;)
Julmeni There are other TH-cam metrics involved like how long do people watch - subscribers driven - viewing location (on TH-cam or through another site) and obviously those things do matter to advertisers. It's not sheer numbers.
And thank you for watching!! We do our best to add something to the conversation. :)
Merthalophor I give Michael Bay a pass. At this point, if you go into a Michael Bay movie expecting something more than eye candy - the blame's on you.
He makes what he makes - lots of people love it or at least will pay money to see it. I have no issue with that. (I thought Transformers 3 was underrated :P )
That was a wilhelm scream in the new intro!
If what you said at the end is true - about youtube's counting method - then why would they add the autoplay function?
Jason Wiener It's a feature because some site owners want it but it would be cheating if it added to your play count.
But if you're referring to TH-cam's auto play in the right corner there - I'm not sure... That's Google for ya...
thank you so much sir
Wilhelm scream! 😂😂
I always thought that sales figures should be given in ticket numbers not dollars because 1 person in 1939 is the same as 1 person in 2039, but $1 is not. But I understand why Hollywood doesn't want to do that because it would become too obvious that attendance has been essentially in decline for decades.
The thing is it doesn't matter how many people see a show in theaters - it matters how much money is made. For the movie itself, if it makes $100 dollars, it doesn't really matter whether that $100 is from 10 people or 5 people - the movie distributer is going to take it's cut from the gross receipts not the number of tickets sold. The bottom line is what matters for financial reporting - reporting ticket sales would get in the way of that (it's not a simply multiplication as there are tiered pricing based on time, age, and presentation format)
Now if you wanted to do a statistical analysis of movie attendance over large number of years - that's a non-financial study. But I would argue that 1 person in 1939 is not the same as one person in 2017 or whatever year. What other entertainment options were available in 1939 - certainly not TV but there was radio and live music? How much "movie entertainment" did that person get (double feature plus newsreels, a short and a cartoon). How many other movie theaters were in play where he was at. How much advertising was she exposed for the movie. How much money was spent on the production of the film in question? You may find that yes theater attendance is shrinking... but Theatrical is only one avenue, there's streaming, television, physical sales, and even piracy to think about.
What I guess I don't understand is why the number of tickets are never reported. If actual ticket numbers were widely reported success of a film could be understood for decades regardless of inflation of ticket prices. Star Wars and Snow White would still be in the top ten most successful, and there would be a better understanding of the impact of those films for society. Surely now, if not in the 20th century, electronic ticket numbers could be easily counted.
+JP Kloess Number of tickets might be a better metric for historians looking to compare movies in a social light- but dollar amount is much more important financially. On top of that - not all tickets are sold equally - a movie might have a great matinee presence but die off for night showings (lots of kids movies for example). Or it could have a poor opening but do really well in a second run theater - with dollar count instead of ticket count, those discounts in the ticket price are already added into the final figure.
It's just so much easier for the beancounters to use dollar figures to get a sense of how much profit and loss a movie makes - because the bottom line is they don't really care how many people saw the movie, but if it made any money.
I first tout that tv's and radio's dit had a builtin people meter builtin to anonimically tell the tv broadcaster the amount of watchers at wich time sothat a analogue/digital computer could messure out what you were watching based on the time,so for example channel A knows you watching football based on tome 17,00 o clock while channel B knows you were watching a commedy based on time 20.00 o clock etc,,, and radio channel A knows you were listening to that program based on time 15 o ck etc,,,you may think but how can you transfer a broadcast and a back signal from and back to those broadcasters without interferring eachother on 1 antenna or cable,simply by decoding the back signal in a high freq while the recieved signal is a low freq,but no,there is no fair estimation about it.
Is it possible to request lessons?
Oscar Uzcategui Just put them in the comments and we'll look into the subjects.
are you a university professor?
JacMagnificent I'm just a filmmaker who loves film.
thank you
But these days dont they just use a blue ray disk to give the theatures to play the damn movie because even with the case its cheaper, stronger then flim, easier to ship and store, and the 16 year old can probably press play at the right time to start the movie (i have no idea how movie theatures actually work besides the fact you go into a big room that gets dark and plays a great hd movie with great sound) since i immagine film is fragle and a bit hard to load into a projector
Actually movie theaters use DCP (Digital Cinema Package) - it comes on hard drive containing the film which is around 200 gigabytes.
Good and im assuming its alot less breakable then a spool of film and not to insult you but are you in the film industry professionally or as a hobby
I'm a professional - but not as a projectionist. I've been in projectionists booths though but last time I spent a lot of time there they were still showing platters of film.
Alao with tv ratings i would think that neslon ratings are out of date because if tv networks want to cash in they could probably work out a deal with cable providers disk network and comcast and such were the data of what each cable box is streaming and recording being sent to the tv networks and counted on a server i say this because well my tv shows me what current show is being played on a channel and can even show me a show recorded on another cable box in the house so i dont think it would be too hard
+matt carnes well it gets very complicated and what we just showed here was the basic TV rating system. You run into issues like people not having cable boxes and trying to get all the data to measure cross all different platforms is difficult to do. Thing is Nielsen is really the major brand that's handling all of those contingencies. Like I said there's a whole industry and career in this kind of data management
Up next: How the Oscars work - Who votes and how to predict them.
What do you think, John?
Daniel Rosa Good topic! I'm not sure any really knows the mechanics but it would make a good topic come December ;)
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Oh, and I'd add (or change to) "how meaningful they are", really into that subjective (but usually unanimous) territory of if the Best Pic winner was truly the best movie in the year, and so...
Daniel Rosa I haven't done the research yet but I know an Oscar win doesn't necessarily mean the film is remembered better - but it does mean it makes a lot more money (and the people that were responsible for itcan ask for more money)
I always forget this: Viacom doesn't own CBS anymore.
srnksyh You're right - though I guess technically Viacom of today is a spinoff of the old Viacom which changed it's name to CBS.
But the new Viacom does own Paramount and a bunch of Cable Channels... this mess is really hard to parse out :P
IMHO. Theaters relying on popcorn and soda revenues is a flawed business strategy undermining the entire industry, and it will eventually put the movie industry in comatose state. Selling pop corntwice the price of the ticket is stupid. It should be the other way around.
Given the fact that "most" theaters are located inside shopping malls, movie tickets should on the contrary bring along some benefits (like discounts) for the moviegoers in other stores and food court etc. People love discounts and this I believe will perpetuate the business.
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But ticket price is already too high. Although I speak of Aus prices, and semi-rural theaters at that.
Fact of the matter is, I'm not sure people are THAT sensitive to movie ticket prices. If you dropped the price of the movie ticket by $1 - are you really going to see more people getting dressed up to go out on dinner and movie date? Fact is, as a theater, you are playing a loosing game against Netflix and other at home entertainment if you want to compete on price alone.
That said, the second run theater which has half cost tickets is always pretty crowded... ;)
Filmmaker IQ I think drawing people in is why we see more 3D and more IMAX, Both are still things hard to replicate at home. IMAX is pretty much impossible(for now) and 3D TV has always been hit or miss. And hey say what people will about Avatar, But I honestly felt it was well worth the $16 to see it in IMAX 3D.. Sure its still fun on my plasma but its just not as awesome as IMAX 3D.
If movie tickets were $10 where I live I would see 70%+ more movies at theaters. But yeah, you never know how the general public would respond.
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So, Rentrak has an illegal monopoly?
+Joshua Zedalis Monopoly yes, illegal? That has yet to be accused.
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What did you think of Jurassic World?
Ryan McCurdy I went to see it last night and it was Sold Out... so I'll try again later.
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Very informative. Thank you!