What's harder than solving hard problems? Solving problems that don't exist! The real questions though is, how is your boy boyalgo getting all these job offers with crazy salaries like it's nothing?
LC mafias didnt learn how to code. I thinks thats the most reason. people quit big-tech. like i saw senior's comment on blind. he was talking like "I know guys do leetcode very well. but dont know how to code and making shit". real world project is more like philosophy. they need to grind more complexed design. even Gof's design pattern is just a basic fundamental but takes lot of time to be familiar with it.
and also amazon managers. want a pip target. imagine that your colleague try to talk to you to fire. with Saying " Im here to SuPPort YoU!" haha. thats cringe
I love how you film from within the company. It's probably not really legal as it’s no public space but it puts us in your shoes and make us feel with you amazing style. Also appreciate your honesty :)
Agreed, the micro team environment impacts morale more than anything else. Makes for much more productivity in the long term when there's alignment and open communication. Seems like you're on a better path, good luck!
For everyone who are planning to join/shift teams, make sure to have a word with the Manager and the SDEs under him to get an understanding about the management and opportunities.
When I worked for Amazon, there was soooo much operational work. Tickets, oncall, deployments... I used to code more by doing World of Warcraft macros than in my actual SDE job. Also Maintaining old services is a never ending story and not exciting at all.
Man I wanted you to drop the alias so bad just so I can look and laugh but I get it. This story had me laughing the entire time i'm looking at Googles offices. Congrats!
I was SDE II in Amazon and I could say Amazon is one of the worst place ever to work. I am going to quit next week. Personally I believe Google culture and ethics is much better than Amazon.
Bro, almost a similar boat at Amazon. I wake up dreading my life everyday. Was hoping on a jump to Google too, but the freeze messed it for me man. Thanks for sharing these videos.
@@jayrollo1352 Dang, I feel you bro. I feel, I am going to put up with this shit for 2 more years and move to management with an MBA. Hate sitting and staring the screen for long.
@@programming1734 Dude same. I feel like management is just so much more easier. The problem with Google is that management is also a technical role. I envy product managers at other FAANG's who take long lunches and don't have stressful deadlines. I'm a newgrad swe a few months in and the imposter syndrome is so bad. I want to work well, but the anxiety of being slow, ironically, slows me down further.
Dude I'm assuming that people are working from home which is why that office space is so empty. I can't imagine being there all alone for hours on end. That's nuts.
Wow!!!...Having a weekly one-on-one...now that's what I call a NANO MANAGER. I have issues with MICRO MANAGERS. So I'll definitely have issues with NANO MANAGERS. 😭 Oops, I forgot to add the daily tag ups (one in the morning, then after lunch, then before you leave to go home).
I'm currently an Amazon Dev. In my experience, degrees matter very little. What they are looking for is project experience and how well you think / code. FWIW, I feel like I'm a pretty shit programmer. I'm surprised they took me. Originally, I turned down Amazon, but four months later they came back and offered me $27k more, plus full-time remote.
@@dande3139 realistically speaking from your experience, how possible would it be to get a programming job working for a f(m)aang company without a degree?
As someone starting as a software engineer at AWS soon, I really hope this is not indicative of what my experience is gonna be like... Any tips for my first weeks/months there?
It really depends on the org. I work in an org which is product oriented, with high standards on code quality and huge variety in technologies. I understand that my org is an unicorn in this company. We have great, albeit not perfect, managers and I actually like working here a lot.
Amazon is so large and diverse, you're going to get a widely different experience based on where you end up. But people get moved around and quit a lot, so your team isn't going to stay consistent. There's also a strong "Everyone's a leader" mentality cultivated at Amazon, which can lead to competing goals and a lot of office politics. My best advice: Those Amazonians who stay here the longest, don't take their job too seriously. Do what you can do, and when criticism comes your way, learn from it if you can and move on. But at the end of the day, work to live, don't live to work.
@@dande3139 Your analysis and advice is spot on based on my experience; it's critical to do your best work and also not get emotionally attached to the work/job.
My advice would be to have fun and build cool projects! Also make sure to meet lots of people that are in CS. It makes the process a lot more enjoyable :)
For real. He used customer obsession against me in our 1 on 1 meetings. Like I told him that this team assigned me to do this work and I listened to them and did everything they asked me. But he was like "NAH. You need to figure out what they need without even asking them. Like figure out something they never even knew they needed." LIKE WHAT THE HELL
Im at amazon as a warehouse aa and im doing career choice for data analytics and i want out this watehouse soooo bad man i dread going to work everyday, the managers, the people the culture its just 🤢
To ask your employees to turn 1 + 1 = 3 is often unrealistic. To be a manager who claims his employees can do that without closer involvement is out of touch.
You were hired to restructure. You get assigned to a team and the manager there immediately sends you elsewhere. So he basically didn't want you to come in his way or to bring up some things he might no be good at. Whatever he said to you about the work at the other team: He wasn't too interested. He could have always spoken to the other manager OR get you back. You quitting totally did support his plans. Nevertheless: Sometimes you have to push yourself to get what it needs to do a good job - build a network e.g. and bring up better ideas. You could have done more than just having accepted the shitty project. But good that everything went well in the end
Very agree, if it's a junior position the complaint still make sense, if it's a mid-level position, would be a disappointment that one can't investigate what the team is doing and provide advice for better design, and need a detailed instruction of what he/her should do.
Those big tables with that 8 inch divider was supposed to be for software engineers to do their work? That's so dumb... They want cheap space but it's brutal trying to concentrate in an environment like that.. assuming at some point the place wasn't a ghost town. Working remote is SO much more productive.
It's totally dependent on what team you are on and what org you are part of. Amazon is overall a good place to grow and learn. No company wants their employees to suffer. I liked your video. Good knowledge sharing.
To play devil's advocate, as you describe the issue, you didn't actually do what was asked if you. You say you didn't know what you could do to help the team with retention. You also never ASKED why people were leaving, and what you could do to make their lives easier. Instead, you asked "what do you want me to do?" That's not ownership. No wonder your manager was unhappy, and no wonder you were as well. You didn't even attempt the problem put forth.
You idi.iot before playing devil’s advocate understand that he never thought it is worth explaining everything and you are sticking to what he said in a line and why the hell should he explain it to you !! Have a life , respect his reasons
This isn't even playing a good devil's advocate. It's just blaming a singular person for the process and organization of operations management that is a group of higher level executives. That doesn't make sense.
This is your job to understand the Expectations of your manager. Even if you leave this job and become an entrepreneur then believe me that customer will be your boss and he will tell 50 different things to you. If you have taken the loan from the bank then very low level person will keep on bothering you about the various status updates about the business because they have invested in your business. Whatever you do in your life you will not be able to get rid of boss. 😀
No, the description he gave is not aligned with what is expected from a junior engineer at Amazon. At Amazon, junior engineers are supposed to be told what tactical work items they need to complete with clear specifications. They are not supposed to be tasked with figuring out how to fix the problems of teams they are assigned to.
Exactly, it sounds like a personal issue rather than a company issue. There is a lack of ability to make something good out of a bad situation and a tendency to resort to granting instead. I wouldn't consider working with a person like this. I'm glad he left Amazon.
My manager assigned me to be like a temporary loaner engineer to another team (to help them improve their processes). I listened to the manager on the loaner team and did the work that they assigned me. My manager wasn't happy with the work I was doing on other team because he didn't think I was doing useful work on the loaner team.
Well your portrayal of Google in this video is very different than the other videos where you complain about under performing and feeling impostor syndrome working there. Probably better to look back and remember what you learned from the position at Amazon and how you grew than how "horrible" it was. Lots of developers would consider themselves lucky to have been in your shoes.
yeah i was making 160k at Amazon. to surprise you even more they pay even higher now (190k-200k) for the exact same job and level. its google, the new company i work at.
@minciNashu, that's FAANG, and FAANG adjacent companies. Most software engineers don't get paid that, even in the US. Also should be noted that it's probably salary+bonus+stock.
Some of the most affordable densely populated cities in America (which is where big tech companies are headquartered) charge $3+ per square foot. So a studio apartment for $1500 per month is the cheapest place that isn't in a sketchy part of town.
Sounds like he wanted you to improve a team, you failed to find anything to improve. You should have communicated that back to your manager. Instead you ask their team for work? The goal was never to get work from them 😂 your manager gave you the objective from the beginning 💀
You steal and makes left my iobs ,how to pay off the total on my business way of not approved by my owner personal business enterprise ,now everyone talks about left jobs and money and bankruptcy ,why only one night burning lost everything and money ..
From $160k to $220k Meanwhile, le me who got selected for a data engineering role but have to learn frontend with minimum pay cuz: "You're an intern, it's your learning phase, and our requirement changed" 🥲🥲
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What's harder than solving hard problems? Solving problems that don't exist! The real questions though is, how is your boy boyalgo getting all these job offers with crazy salaries like it's nothing?
im a lucky duck 🦆
LC mafias didnt learn how to code. I thinks thats the most reason. people quit big-tech. like i saw senior's comment on blind. he was talking like "I know guys do leetcode very well. but dont know how to code and making shit". real world project is more like philosophy. they need to grind more complexed design. even Gof's design pattern is just a basic fundamental but takes lot of time to be familiar with it.
and sadly those guys open pip pandora box
and also amazon managers. want a pip target. imagine that your colleague try to talk to you to fire. with Saying " Im here to SuPPort YoU!" haha. thats cringe
@@boyalgo did you go to a name brand school?
I love how you film from within the company. It's probably not really legal as it’s no public space but it puts us in your shoes and make us feel with you amazing style. Also appreciate your honesty :)
Even if it wasn't technically allowed, it's a "victimless crime"
Bro just doesn't five a *F*
boyalgo back at it with a banger upload
foo you already know
Agreed, the micro team environment impacts morale more than anything else. Makes for much more productivity in the long term when there's alignment and open communication. Seems like you're on a better path, good luck!
For everyone who are planning to join/shift teams, make sure to have a word with the Manager and the SDEs under him to get an understanding about the management and opportunities.
You sound like one of those garbage managers at Amazon.
love your videos man.
Love your videos!
220.000$ per year is insaneeee! Nice that you took that decision.
When I worked for Amazon, there was soooo much operational work. Tickets, oncall, deployments... I used to code more by doing World of Warcraft macros than in my actual SDE job. Also Maintaining old services is a never ending story and not exciting at all.
I use to be a security guard at Google for a couple years. Watching you walk through campus reminds me of those days. Still looks the same
Howd you like the job?
Man I wanted you to drop the alias so bad just so I can look and laugh but I get it. This story had me laughing the entire time i'm looking at Googles offices. Congrats!
I was SDE II in Amazon and I could say Amazon is one of the worst place ever to work. I am going to quit next week. Personally I believe Google culture and ethics is much better than Amazon.
It is naive belief. These companies aren’t different.
Where you work now
After long time I am getting honest review 😊
Bro, almost a similar boat at Amazon. I wake up dreading my life everyday.
Was hoping on a jump to Google too, but the freeze messed it for me man. Thanks for sharing these videos.
Not really having a great time at Google either tbh. I kinda hate software engineering now.
@@jayrollo1352 Dang, I feel you bro.
I feel, I am going to put up with this shit for 2 more years and move to management with an MBA. Hate sitting and staring the screen for long.
@@programming1734 Dude same. I feel like management is just so much more easier. The problem with Google is that management is also a technical role. I envy product managers at other FAANG's who take long lunches and don't have stressful deadlines. I'm a newgrad swe a few months in and the imposter syndrome is so bad. I want to work well, but the anxiety of being slow, ironically, slows me down further.
@@programming1734 can you not join management without an MBA ?
Is it hard work ???
Dude I'm assuming that people are working from home which is why that office space is so empty. I can't imagine being there all alone for hours on end. That's nuts.
Can you please share your interview experience and how you prepared for it?
Wow!!!...Having a weekly one-on-one...now that's what I call a NANO MANAGER. I have issues with MICRO MANAGERS. So I'll definitely have issues with NANO MANAGERS. 😭 Oops, I forgot to add the daily tag ups (one in the morning, then after lunch, then before you leave to go home).
you ask i deliver 😉
@@boyalgo
my fave youtuber with the consistent content📈
hell yeah!
you better believe it
I think most of the people leave a company because of a crappy manager/team lead.
Did you go to like a prestigious school or something? Your job offers are amazing
i went to a good state school but not top tier CS school like MIT, Stanford or Berkley :)
thanks! i got really lucky with the offers LOL
I'm currently an Amazon Dev. In my experience, degrees matter very little. What they are looking for is project experience and how well you think / code. FWIW, I feel like I'm a pretty shit programmer. I'm surprised they took me. Originally, I turned down Amazon, but four months later they came back and offered me $27k more, plus full-time remote.
@@dande3139 realistically speaking from your experience, how possible would it be to get a programming job working for a f(m)aang company without a degree?
A fancy degree doesn’t prove much in software. Your skills do
@@dande3139 so how much do you make
"Bilbo Baggins!"😂
Have heard horror stories about Amazon management. Not suprising to hear your experience.
Hi. What office did you work at for your Amazon job?
As someone starting as a software engineer at AWS soon, I really hope this is not indicative of what my experience is gonna be like...
Any tips for my first weeks/months there?
quit, it's such a dogpiss company (I worked there and would unironically rather be homeless than work there)
@@Maximosnol Damm what happened
It really depends on the org. I work in an org which is product oriented, with high standards on code quality and huge variety in technologies. I understand that my org is an unicorn in this company.
We have great, albeit not perfect, managers and I actually like working here a lot.
Amazon is so large and diverse, you're going to get a widely different experience based on where you end up. But people get moved around and quit a lot, so your team isn't going to stay consistent. There's also a strong "Everyone's a leader" mentality cultivated at Amazon, which can lead to competing goals and a lot of office politics.
My best advice: Those Amazonians who stay here the longest, don't take their job too seriously. Do what you can do, and when criticism comes your way, learn from it if you can and move on. But at the end of the day, work to live, don't live to work.
@@dande3139 Your analysis and advice is spot on based on my experience; it's critical to do your best work and also not get emotionally attached to the work/job.
boyalgo I want to improve my algorithm data structure and problems solving skill for software engineering what do I do?
suffer like everyone else. leetcode homie 😆😆
What level were you at Amazon? L4 or L5 SDE?
Hi,
I am an absolute beginner to Code/Programming and I started with learning Python. Any advice for someone like me?
My advice would be to have fun and build cool projects! Also make sure to meet lots of people that are in CS. It makes the process a lot more enjoyable :)
How do you apply for these jobs? Directly or through agencies?
directly I think
What level were you? Was 160k just a base?
How long have you been a software engineer??
☺️I understand you……….
Maybe you should just freelance . That's why i have a hard time working with bosses . Ugh . Idk. I can't . Either I'm going to quit or get fired
😢this happen to me in first few months currently
Great story telling 😊
So, your manager was upset at you for being customer obsessed? Maybe he needs to go over the LPs again :)
For real. He used customer obsession against me in our 1 on 1 meetings.
Like I told him that this team assigned me to do this work and I listened to them and did everything they asked me.
But he was like "NAH. You need to figure out what they need without even asking them. Like figure out something they never even knew they needed." LIKE WHAT THE HELL
You sound very junior, don’t blame straight to your managers and companies, do some introspection you have a very long way to go, anyway, good luck
Im at amazon as a warehouse aa and im doing career choice for data analytics and i want out this watehouse soooo bad man i dread going to work everyday, the managers, the people the culture its just 🤢
I have never heard of anyone, ANYONE, having a good time at Amazon. From SWE to the people in the warehouses
Depends on the team. I like mine, so I'm having quite a good time.
@@killeraudiofile8094 how bout now? U mind me asking how much u make and what city youre in?
@@EzeAsuoha Still enjoying it, I'm not comfortable answering the former but I am a dev in the seattle area.
@@killeraudiofile8094 thats fair
And then. Layoff things come at new company. Sometimes it just happens
To ask your employees to turn 1 + 1 = 3 is often unrealistic. To be a manager who claims his employees can do that without closer involvement is out of touch.
Amazon was also PoC in 90ties
You were hired to restructure. You get assigned to a team and the manager there immediately sends you elsewhere. So he basically didn't want you to come in his way or to bring up some things he might no be good at. Whatever he said to you about the work at the other team: He wasn't too interested. He could have always spoken to the other manager OR get you back. You quitting totally did support his plans. Nevertheless: Sometimes you have to push yourself to get what it needs to do a good job - build a network e.g. and bring up better ideas. You could have done more than just having accepted the shitty project. But good that everything went well in the end
Very agree, if it's a junior position the complaint still make sense, if it's a mid-level position, would be a disappointment that one can't investigate what the team is doing and provide advice for better design, and need a detailed instruction of what he/her should do.
Those big tables with that 8 inch divider was supposed to be for software engineers to do their work? That's so dumb... They want cheap space but it's brutal trying to concentrate in an environment like that.. assuming at some point the place wasn't a ghost town. Working remote is SO much more productive.
It's totally dependent on what team you are on and what org you are part of. Amazon is overall a good place to grow and learn. No company wants their employees to suffer.
I liked your video. Good knowledge sharing.
The wiser would know bullshit when a manager asks Qannon questions, just takes the money and run...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
To play devil's advocate, as you describe the issue, you didn't actually do what was asked if you. You say you didn't know what you could do to help the team with retention. You also never ASKED why people were leaving, and what you could do to make their lives easier. Instead, you asked "what do you want me to do?" That's not ownership. No wonder your manager was unhappy, and no wonder you were as well. You didn't even attempt the problem put forth.
You idi.iot before playing devil’s advocate understand that he never thought it is worth explaining everything and you are sticking to what he said in a line and why the hell should he explain it to you !! Have a life , respect his reasons
Nah amazon is a trash company in general. The overall culture is trash
This isn't even playing a good devil's advocate. It's just blaming a singular person for the process and organization of operations management that is a group of higher level executives. That doesn't make sense.
What’s the difference with what you do at google ? Probably the same type
Of work ??
U get paid to chill why leave man it’s so chill
Was the manager INDIAN😂😂😂 coz here we have those kind of guys😂
Which office is this?
google in mtv
we love u boyalgo
nah brah i love you
You are lucky that you didn't get caught filming this!
Can you call out the manager from your previous company ?
This is your job to understand the Expectations of your manager. Even if you leave this job and become an entrepreneur then believe me that customer will be your boss and he will tell 50 different things to you.
If you have taken the loan from the bank then very low level person will keep on bothering you about the various status updates about the business because they have invested in your business.
Whatever you do in your life you will not be able to get rid of boss. 😀
No, the description he gave is not aligned with what is expected from a junior engineer at Amazon. At Amazon, junior engineers are supposed to be told what tactical work items they need to complete with clear specifications. They are not supposed to be tasked with figuring out how to fix the problems of teams they are assigned to.
quit a job that payes you 160k are you serious. ?
I feel like Amazon has too much money. A lot of dysfunction comes from that
I look up to you boyalgo give me a shout out on your next video my name is Antoine Price.
maybe ill think about it...
6 months from now he will make an other video to tell why he quit working for google and will trash google the same way he did to Amazon….. lol
😉 you found the secret formula for making boyalgo videos
Exactly, it sounds like a personal issue rather than a company issue. There is a lack of ability to make something good out of a bad situation and a tendency to resort to granting instead. I wouldn't consider working with a person like this. I'm glad he left Amazon.
Amazon needs lot of repetitive workers.
Why u dont answer me..
goodness someone is needy 😆
Jeff bezos better make a comment on this.
LMAO BRO WHAT DO YOU MEAN A THE EQUIVALENT OF A NEW GRAD ENGINEER AND ALSO MAKING OVER $200k
So you listened to your team instead of your manager?
My manager assigned me to be like a temporary loaner engineer to another team (to help them improve their processes).
I listened to the manager on the loaner team and did the work that they assigned me. My manager wasn't happy with the work I was doing on other team because he didn't think I was doing useful work on the loaner team.
That team is tryna keep ur job, or help you. But ur manager is bs lol
accountants make 100k
TechLead vibes
i wish im new grad level right now. definitely not leading anyone 😆😆
Well your portrayal of Google in this video is very different than the other videos where you complain about under performing and feeling impostor syndrome working there. Probably better to look back and remember what you learned from the position at Amazon and how you grew than how "horrible" it was. Lots of developers would consider themselves lucky to have been in your shoes.
I sense jealousy. He's just explaining his experience.
Lol, what a clueless manager
I could not think of a more depressing place to work! That office has dystopian vibes all over it, where are all the people?
Probably filmed on a sunday
I love you!!!
hi
Did u get to keep the MacBook pro
160k right ? We supposed to believe that ?I'm assuming that's the place u work at ?.what u doing there ? Ain't u quit
yeah i was making 160k at Amazon. to surprise you even more they pay even higher now (190k-200k) for the exact same job and level.
its google, the new company i work at.
What's so unbelievable? That's the pay level in US.
@minciNashu, that's FAANG, and FAANG adjacent companies. Most software engineers don't get paid that, even in the US. Also should be noted that it's probably salary+bonus+stock.
I still can't fathom how Google pays their newbies twice as much as the most senior guys here in germany will make.
Cost of living difference though
Some of the most affordable densely populated cities in America (which is where big tech companies are headquartered) charge $3+ per square foot. So a studio apartment for $1500 per month is the cheapest place that isn't in a sketchy part of town.
Sounds like he wanted you to improve a team, you failed to find anything to improve. You should have communicated that back to your manager. Instead you ask their team for work? The goal was never to get work from them 😂 your manager gave you the objective from the beginning 💀
That’s not what junior any roles should be doing.
Was he an indian manager?😂😂😂😂😂
lol
It sucks to have a shit manager, I felt this
🦊
You steal and makes left my iobs ,how to pay off the total on my business way of not approved by my owner personal business enterprise ,now everyone talks about left jobs and money and bankruptcy ,why only one night burning lost everything and money ..
From $160k to $220k
Meanwhile, le me who got selected for a data engineering role but have to learn frontend with minimum pay cuz: "You're an intern, it's your learning phase, and our requirement changed" 🥲🥲
Hey buddy my first internship paid me like 14/hr. Just gotta put time into it and work your way up! You got this!!