Manual Transmission vs Automatic vs CVT! BeamNG. Drive
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A cvt that can handle this much torque only exists in beam ng
Some tractors with a mountain of torque would like to have a word with you... but to be fair, those tend to use a different type of CVT.
@@aresivrc1800 they use belt or chain ?
@@aresivrc1800 most smaller tractors, mostly compact utility tractors have a Hydrostatic transmission. Hydrostatic Transmissions are like a CVT transmission, but it has the hydraulic pumps, power take-off, and 3 point hitch all in one package
Case IH for example, uses cvt in their steiger range (and those are articulated tractors not toys)
@@yacinealg152 most tractors use a hydraulic valve and pump to change the gear ratio by applying variable pressure to the ring gear on a planetary gear set. That way there is no belt or chain.
Here is the link to a video that explains it.
th-cam.com/video/dgtIKMAjvFI/w-d-xo.html
Not a bad video. Though I have to say if you tasked a current CVT with towing 2-tons, it may have other plans.
Would probably go PNNNN
@@satsumagt5284 ah yes, a man of culture
I'm sure you could build a CVT strong enough to two 2-tons... for a few minutes. It doesn't have to last hundreds of thousands of miles, it just has to last to the top of the hill.
@@Tormundisc00l It's possible, doesn't mean anyone will
Yeah look. Mate's 2008(I think, maybe a little older or newer) lancer shot it's gearbox towing a 500(ish)kg trailer with about 100kgs of crap for the dump. So close to 600kg or around that. Since doing a manual conversion he'd has no dramas with that exact same trailer even with more in it. CVT suck ass. In saying that I doubt they ever expected someone with a Nanna spec lancer to be towing so they probably didn't build a gearbox for such applications. Nonetheless still hate CVT. 😋
a CVT has many benefits people dont realise, beyond the "quicker" shifts because it has constant ratios. You can design your engine to run best at 1 specific RPM, like a 2 stroke powerband or where your turbo makes the most torque, and set up your CVT accordingly. In the real world, we just don't have heavy duty CVTs in the mainstream yet.
I drive a CVT accord (2.4, 2017) and I get like 20-25mpg city driving (usually more aggressive on the throttle) but I get upwards of 40mpg crusing at 80-90mph
@@MichaelMotorcycl use normal units: liters per 100 kilometers
@@bezimienny1337 in those same letters you could've just looked it up :)
25mpg = 9.4l/100km
40mpg = 5.9l/100km
DSG would be a good test 🤣
@@bezimienny1337 I use mpg in England? Not everywhere is Eastern Europe
Cvt actually is the fastest transmission, old williams f1 team if I'm not mistaken tested the cvt in f1 and their laptime is reduced by a quite margin
But whats the strongest its not all about speed
They can be, unfortunately, there are a lot of issues with using a cvt in high torque, high power applications
And they also use a hydraulic suspension system that also help reduce lap time but the CVT helped a bit more
Manual at least in my opinion is still the best combination in all ellements plus you get to select speed and torque output and is a completely locked system as long as the clutch is operating normally
CVT is just crap compared to things like tcfa or dct. 92 williams used cvt in a time when all the others were 3 pedal manuals, hence the reason why it was good
CVT's are technically superior to other transmissions, but they're SO DAMN UNFULFILLING to drive.
Lmfao no
cvt is kinda annoying when the rpm reaches the limit, and it also causes overheating
@@thatguynar no what?
@@thatguynar in theory yes cause your always staying in the peak power with out dropping out of it to shift. But they are extremely boring to drive
@@r1_lives you dont understand car design
I love the CVTs in BeamNG, I wish they were real
Look up Subaru cvt transmission
The cvt is also commonly used in snowmobiles and automatic atvs
The belt is made of solid hot rolled flexible unobtainium bonded by good wishes and the power of friendship :)
CVT is real
@Elder Tree 🤣🤣
You found something BeamNG doesn't simulate fully: CVT friction and slip!
But for real, I think Beam only simulates some of the friction loss properties of CVTs, I don't think it simulates the possibility of slip at all
Yup that is the only weakness of CVT
Yeah, that truck would be smoking from the CVT halfway up basically doing a transmission burnout
This can all be added to the simulation in later stages tho
It's really hard to stimulate this correctly because they're are so many variables involved
Centrifugal and centripetal forces, material density, stretch, friction, heat coefficient.. Even more than I thought at first 😂😂
@@williamchristian3489
I don't think so
Since CVT are common for heavy trackor
It depends on how the manufacturer designed it to be.
It's not like the CVT on the Subaru XV can handle these. Get rid of old school mind set
@@MDCYF Of course. Historically speaking, CVTs have been relatively unreliable however. Look up complaints and recalls of Jatco CVTs. It’s clear a big majority aren’t those super tractor CVTs that maybe they should be? I’m sure there’s pros and cons to either design.
There is one thing manual transmissions will always have; Reliability.
Not that automatics or CVTs can’t be reliable either. But manuals are inherently more reliable because they’re mechanically much more simple.
Their reliability depends heavily on who's driving it though, that's why trucking companies are switching to autos.
@@ricardorafael2015 True lol. this is assuming the person who's driving knows how a manual works and shifts like a boss.
Much cheaper to fix too.
@@ricardorafael2015 very true. I drive a truck and they are almost all automatics now. They never miss, but they do make very stupid shifting choices sometimes.
@@SlyNine so true bestie
Of course in any simulated environment like this, a CVT would definitely win. Although in the real world CVTs would break easily with this kind of load
cvts are probably the best transmission but they have no money or time backing them unlike the more traditional ones. if you could somehow make a chain or more sturdy belt im sure they would be good for hauling
Omg bro you're dilusional, sorry man but CVTs are garbage! Worst invention ever. The concept was good but actual product has many flaws. Garbage!
If we had extremely better materials to make a cvt work with high power, we'd just apply those to manuals and auto boxes
you could just run them in paralel
@@thebowtieguy777 But for the consumer market, it wouldn't be cost effective. And way overcomplicated.
@@Heartstrong_Productions no more complicated than a dual clutch trans
If you have 100 HP or less, the CVT rules. Start adding power, and it stops being so nice. The thing is, you can optimize that engine to be very efficient while giving those 100HP.
Also, keeping the rpm below peak power was completely arbitrary, it could have been set to 5.500 rpm and given better results.
On the contrary if you tune the engine to run at peak power, you don't get peak torque. I think 5k was a good compromise.
@@harleyowen91 What you said makes no sense.
@@harleyowen91 you want peak HP, gearing makes torque.
@@edgarpryor3233 Ratios* make trq.
with the right tune, I've seen Honda civic Turbos that have the cvt with well over 200HP and zero issues.
Cvts keep the car in the power band, so if they were durable, irl they would be good for towing
I mean, top speed doesn't have THAT much to do with what type of transmission. More to do with how it gets there
In the end I would not want to pay the cost of CVT repair, Manual forever!
Agreed completely. As others have mentioned, the stuff that's used in tractors is usually decent. But what's in civilian/consumer-grade products is nowhere near the same thing. I have a 1996 F-150 with a 5-speed and I have run the snot out of that thing. Literally the only thing you could do to destroy that transmission is shift it into reverse going down the highway.
Finnaly, first channel I see using Beam NG for other stuff different than crashes
Fun fact: the CVT is a Dutch invention by Daf.
excuse me, what's the fun out of it?
CVTs could not do that in a million years in real life without shattering even with 0 miles. They’re awful transmissions trust me
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@awaters0206 he isn’t wrong. CVTs have a higher failure rate than most transmissions today
No they are actually pretty good and even got lowest laptimes in F1 and was banned as it was too good if enough R and D is put into it it will get pretty good
@@arjungupta3531 F1 cars are multi million dollar cars. Current normal cars that have CVT transmissions are unreliable and weak.
Ever heard of tractors? Probably half of all new tractors run cvts.
Manual wins in my book, because it overheated the least.
That also means that it was using the engine to the least potential. The fact that the others overheated shows that engine was more fully being utilized because more fuel was being burned, more power was being made, and therefore more heat.
@@Tracert-mc1hu the least potential?? makes no sense. Both automatics have torque converters which makes them loose physical energy because of the transfer in energy. Manual is a direct connection because of the clutch so actually the automatics make the engines work harder than the manuals do. This is also why manuals get better gas milage than traditional torque converted automatics.
@@garretrocha8 Not with lockup torque converters, no. And a CVT is, theoretically, the best transmission because it keeps the engine at its optimal rpm instead of preset ratios.
That being said, I still prefer a manual, but it is, objectively, a worse option. Reliability aside.
@@Tracert-mc1hu I disagree. I think it's in a more sustainable power band. The automatic and CVT were trying to get the highest speed at the lowest RPM, and when you're going up a really steep hill, that puts an enormous load on the engine. Essentially, those transmissions are disregarding the limits of the engine in favor of low rpm and speed.
Had a Lexus with a CVT and drove over 220,000 km without issues it was a GS450h
That car has an eCVT, that's literally not even a transmission so it does not go bad.
@@sliwka621 It’s a lexus, it’ll last a long time to begin with. 135000 miles on a lexus is not that much. Not even for a cvt or ecvt.
When it comes to towing, a automatic and cvt transmission just can't compete with a manual.
You should test cars with freewheel systems next. (If you're not familiar with what a freewheel is... It's a thing that's commonly on bicycles.)
Actually, quite a few cars have free wheeling devices. 2-stroke and small 4-stroke SAABs had them, the Trabant had them, among others.
@@sirdukeofyork8839 I'm mostly just curious if BeamNG knows how to handle them.
@@AmaroqStarwind Well its technically not a full game yet so they might add them in lol
Love how the cvt kept the engine in the power band
This is good . CVT's power delivery is way efficient because it remains in the constant rpm range so the vehicle can stay in the optimum powerband as long as it wants according to the needs . This is one of the benefits that many of us people didn't realise .
Most people do who know cars, but CVT are trash reliabilty, and boring. MANUAL FOR LIFE.
@@Odin3v E-CVT is the way to go, no belts, no pulleys. Just an engine on one side and an electric motor on opposite side of a differential. Very efficient and very reliable!
@@robsterandkadubb yep, If someone built a hybrid pickup with power in mind instead of mileage they could use one of those to get tesla-like performance out of a gas engine
I don't like cvt but it is the most efficent trasmission because you can stay allways on the highest pick of torque or hp of your engine
Unfortunately, they're efficient on paper, but the ones that are generally used have such a massive tendency to fail that the repairs makes them not worth the trouble to most.
@@Heartstrong_Productions the ones that fail are nissan cvts only.
i'm actually sweating nervously for the CVT torque power because you know, belts and stuff. but it actually stuns me that the CVT came out on top i think the main problems with modern cvt transmissions is that they attempted to mimic the automatic transmissions computerized hydraulic shifting which produces more friction and heat thus making the transmission vulnerable to breaking down.
Love the way this game accurately depicts parasitic loss between the three transmissions. It's accurate that a CVT saps the most power from the engine.
people usually forget that. That's why if modern manuals had the same top gear ratios as current autos, they'd still get better fuel economy. That's the only reason the autos have higher epa economy. They get proper gearing, most manuals (4 cyls) are around 3k at 70, while the autos are usually now only at 2k.
Wasn‘T entirely fair because the auto lost speed at the top due to wheelspin and the diff wasn‘t locked, while it was when the manual set the benchmark
The CVT didn't have a locked diff either and won
@@fisherthegoat yeah because it was so much better but it wouldve won by an either bigger margin if it had one (most likely)
God I wish we had CVTs that could handle this much power and abuse. I love the benefits of the. CVT, the issue is they aren’t good for high load applications like SUVs and trucks, not yet at least.
Subaru is known to generally make the best CVTs, and they’re designed to tow in the SUV’s. The new WRX also even comes with the CVT cooler.
I have a 2007 Nissan Murano with 225,000 miles and I drive it like a TrackHawk
@@NFLYoungBoy223 The Murano is a small SUV, same class as the RAV4. That’s barely heavy considering plenty of sedans weight about as much. That’s not much stress to the CVT, compared to what it’d experience in more normal sized SUVS, or especially trucks. And certainly not from Nissan.
@@po.russki And even though their CVTs are mainly traditional (especially for the asian market), they actually have the tech to allow you to put a Subaru with a CVT in low gear so you can get up a hill easily or get power quickly. These things are great tbh.
@@thedefenestrator2994 the Nissan Murano is a medium sized suv
There’s other cvt transmissions in the mod section that are far better with lots of adjustability, really gives you the edge against other vehicles
I built a CVT T-Series and swapped in the 4cylinder diesel bus engine to make a more “city run-about” truck and it works fantastic. If only CVTs could actually handle 1600lbft lol
They were going to be used in Formula 1 but the FIA quickly banned them.
With the high cost of repair/maintenance/replacement of automatics and CVT I’d go manual if I had a choice. I have had autos in my last 5 vehicles only because manuals are so hard to find
Cheers
Depending on the car a manual swap can be cheaper than buying a different car
CVT is the fastest, but is very fragile in IRL.
No people are stupid and do not know hoe to use a cvt .
I have a Friends with a Volvo cvt with 500k on te meter (KLM Europa) (not miles)
Car still runs with no problems.
My own Honda cr-v have 200k klm on IT .
A cvt you have to replace the oil on time .
And if you do have tork set a extra oil cooler on IT.
Wow, I'd be terrified going almost 140 mph in an old 80s Ford pickup lol.
Realistically any cvt in a roadgoing car would be slipping like crazy and propably destroy itself before it got anywhere near the top of that hill
To this day it amazes me that despite CVT being less sophisticated than a 6 speed automatic, it still somehow just doesn’t perform as good as a standard automatic when it comes to maintaining a gear ratio.
CVTs don´t maintain gear ratios, they can, but then the efficiency is lost. Cvts constantly change year ratios, to keep the engine stuck on the rpms where the engine gives the maximum torque and power.
CVTs are so underrated
What type of CVT is being used in the demonstration? Is it conical, plate, or planetary electric (not sure on the name for that one)?
Lines of code.
Although different types of cvt's may be added in the future, but right now it's just simulates an average cvt transmission.
It simulated belt/chain driven one. Cant really have an electric one without a hybrid.
@@aresivrc1800 can you adjust where it keeps the RPMs? Seems like I’m the top speed test it’d perform much better if it hovered around 5800 RPM instead of 5000.
@@BeesonsCars you can only change the size of the torque converter, which then affects the peak rpm before final ratio is reached and it goes back to rpm acceleration. Larger converter would bring the rpm down and qouls increase low end launch, smaller would increase rpm but reduce torque efficiency and acceleration.
@@BeesonsCars it's sitting at peak power if you look at the torque power curve.
Are we ignoring the part where both the automatic and the CVT hit overheating properties and did damage?
They both were smoking.
The manual smoked too.
The engine overheated from being run at max output for several minutes straight at low speeds meaning little airflow into the radiator. At highways speeds it wouldn't have been an issue.
they all over heated but the manual didn't fill the temp gauge but the other 2 did before reaching the top
I thought I was the only one
1 idea for hauling trailers, they need to have an engine assisted trailer wheels (similar to trains), then the load can conquer any hill.
what an amazing glorious game this is !
You forgot the part where the CVT broke and nobody within 500 miles would work on it
The fact that the Auto had 4 gears and the Manual had 5 is a clear issue with the comparison…or at least it might have been better to make sure the gearing was the same
Can you do a Durability test next I love ur vids! Keep up the good work!
It is best to drive a trailer with an automatic transmission with a torque converter. A torque converter is wear-free thanks to the oil and there is no interruption in tractive power. When coupling manual transmissions, the clutch linings can quickly burn under high loads and there is also an interruption in tractive power when shifting.
Torque converter might not wear, but the brake bands within the transmission do.
To be clear, most automotive CVTs break because they are cheaply made. The biggest reason economy cars use CVTs rather than something like a 10spd auto is because the CVT is way cheaper to build. The 10spd is just as capable as the CVT of keeping the econobox engine in it’s efficiency range, but the CVT is way less expensive. If a manufacturer actually put some money into building a good quality CVT, it could be built to handle any torque or load you wanted it to. Saying that a CVT would explode under this load just because you saw CVT from a Sentra fail is like saying that the auto trans from a Ford Escape would explode if you tried to tow 10klbs. Of course it would, but an auto trans that is built for that kind of load would be fine. Same with a CVT built for that kind of load.
In Puerto Rico CVT is called the unbreakable, if you change the oil transmission when CVT needed you will have a transmission forever, but if you change after 65,000 those 5,000 will cause big damage
For pure performance, the CVT should be tuned to run at the rpm with maximum power as much as possible.
Your launch with the manual one at 5:10 was total crap though. Dropped from 6k to 2k RPM. And I do really wonder if you geared these trucks correctly, also keep in mind the automatic is a 4 speed. Were it a 6 speed, maybe the manual would’ve beaten.
I believe the manual made a far more stout run than the auto
But I don't see what better launch he could have done with the manual..? He ran it as well as I could have been
@@conwaysdetailing387 It’s horrible, the RPMs fell almost to idle. I wonder if just flooring it from the standstill and letting the game control the clutch makes a better launch, very likely yes
@@conwaysdetailing387 manual did great, but imagine if the auto was a 6 speed?
Either way, true comparisons aren’t really possible IRL either, just take a look at the Quattroporte M139: The automated manual (DuoSelect) one has MUCH better gearing than the Automatica models (I have ratios from both models if you’re wondering), even though both are 6 speed. So, the Duo obviously wins any performance comparison you want. It’s even got a dry sump.
@@satsumagt5284 a 6 speed auto highly refined and tuned would have done great.
As far as letting the game run the clutch so that it would slip some, it wouldnt help anything, you'd just have it slipping the clutch and not going anywhere rather than dumping it and grabbing the next gear and getting rolling
My mom with her old Fit/Jazz CVT beat all kind of cars on the traffic lights it's amazing. It's funny how people hate on it because all them got their asses beaten by CVT, also that transmission is so damn good to do fuel economy, also the comfort is amazing the car feels smoooth. My mom had 2 Fit's (amazing reliable car) all them she drove more than 200.000 KM without a problem on the transmission it's not bad like people is saying it’s just sour grapes. Just do the oil change in the right time and everything will be fine.
Did the CVT really win the uphill tow? Cause to me if the vehicle is smoking and the engine is flashing that usually means something went wrong. I feel the manual won that one since it wasnt even smoking by the time it reached the top
I'd trust the manual the most not to detonate in hilarious fashion, though. :)
Well, its just a video. CVT that has this kind of torque is just unbelievable
That's was really cool actually.
The video would've benefited from a total scoreboard at the end
Fun fact : The CVT transmission used for tanks
Only real man drives and loves manual transmission
I figured the CVT could win in theory, but in reality they’re not that good yet
Now let’s see all 3 side by side going at it
CVTs in real life give up and shut off to protect from damage. While autos will keep climbing with or without low gear due to torque converter, and manuals, well more predictable, and usually would have low range for climbing.
Nah bro. The pull test is won by the manual, since it was the only transmission that didn't maoe the engine blow piston rings
efficiency was definitely not factored in
a manual gearbox is always the most efficient and a cvt aswell as a torque converter automatic are not very efficient at all
Surprised beamng doesn't simulate slip in the cvt, it can simulate clutch slip
Yess do more of these
I don't like CVTs or single gear transmissions because they don't shift gears. I like conventional, multi-gear transmissions more because I can hear and feel the shifts
Automatic transmissions rob 30% of the power from the motor compared to a manual. This is due to friction in the planetary gear system.
Cvt more expensive when it fails I was told, and you won't find them with high mileage like some automatics 200k, some manuals have gone for 500k + just 500ish clutch replacements, so distance per dollar, msnual, then automatic, then cvt, from what I've been informed
You should do more stuff with a CVT
Only manuals for me, I like my reliability
manuals are best. i like feeling i actually drive the car and not just sit and steer
reliability you say? MT82 would like a word
Only manual? How about you read a manual on getting some bitches
Manual- slow
Auto - slow and heavy
cvt - scooter
DCT/AMT/SCT
Fast, unreliable, cooler
CVT meant for driving to Panera bread and back home before it starts to sound like a supercharger
Time to try a Lenco!
And just for craps, a Torqueflite with 3.08 gears but a 3,000rpm stall, exactly like my buddy David did in high school with his old Impala with a 327. Completely ass-backwards mod to make with the ridiculous freeway gearing, and people always stared at any speed because it had empty Cherrybomb mufflers that were stupidloud.
None of those transmissions exist in BeamNG.Drive. It's only various generic names for automatics, manuals, and cvts. "Race 6 Speed manual, drag automatic, etc."
I love your channel so much as so
Just for the record, the CVT would explode
Of course cvt wins but in real life it would not because transmissions in beamng are invincible
Too bad in real life, the CVT destroys itself in cars at a much higher rate than the manuals and automatics combined. Maybe in 10 years or so, the durability might get there if the reputation doesn't destroy it completely before then.
Were final drive and gear ratios (on auto and manual) always the same?
3rd in auto is same as 4th in manual (this vehicle): 1:1, presumably the truck had 4.10s (same rpm at 136 mph)
That sure is a strong CVT
Unrealistic, the CVT didn't blow up like in real life Nissan Altimas
Someone better tell nissan to hire Beam to design thier cvt transmission.
Too bad real CVTs don't work like this.
CVT transmissions are not made to do heavy towing that is why they are not in trucks only cars.
CVT has it good sides and bad sides. Good is that the engine power is always maximum when pulling, but bad side it's CVT :DDD
This is a good theory test. However, a CVT is best for commuting and regular driving. An Automatic is best for new drivers and racing. A manual is best for fun and experienced drivers.
I like how it’s a Chevy cab with a ford front end and dodge tail lights
And that’s why most semi trucks use cvt’s…
i love manual transmission
let's hope i don't get caught
in a strong traffic jam complex uphill way
CVT offers infinite number of gear ratio with smooth gear shift
is there any difference about the CVT and the conventional automatic transmission bc i have been researching about the CVT on google but i have been only hitting my head against the wall so can someone please explain to me about the difference
It’s. A bit tough to explain, but CVT’s use belts on moveable pulleys as opposed to physical gears. The CVT can move the belt pulleys in any configuration to essentially create one gear that can change into different, endless gear ratios. Normal transmissions are physically switching gears and have a limited amount of gears to run through.
@@TechTubeHDReviews i think i understand but still correct me if i'm wrong the CVT is just a gearbox that has inside of it 2 gears that are connected one to another by a belt and semi connected to the engine but the higher the rpm of the engine the faster the gear that transmits power to the wheels becomes
@@veljkostejic9594 essentially, but there’s no gears. Just pulleys and belts. The pulley is able to move inward and outward, which pinches the belt, moving it closer or farther away from the other pulley, effectively changing the diameter of the pulley. This is the best visual representation I could find: th-cam.com/video/uCEvBGT8twM/w-d-xo.html
Look at a snowmobile drivetrain with the belt and clutches, that’s a cvt
@@saljaksupra8875 ooohhh wait, now i get it
Forgotten mustard is really funny
Man you
understand a lot about beamng mechanics, how do I put the ETK-K series with 1000 horsepower? And how do I get fire out of the exhaust type a GTR?
I do it with the “turbo everything” mod and the variable grip tires mod
@@TheDorlens18 I searched here, and found thanks for the suggestion I'm going to test this mod now! Thank you so much man!!
@@TheDorlens18 how to install turbo everything mod?
U can alone engine setup make.. in engine.jbeam
@@ensarbmw9680 I searched for this file but on some cars I couldn't find it.
CVT is good on an old Bridgeport milling machine!
That's why on most razors or 4wheelers there's a "CVT" transmission other than manual
The only problem is that you didn't mention that automatic and cvt gear box changes gears too
sounds like the CVT had the lowest overall RPM, while still maintaining good torque and top speed.
its a game, different than in real one.
You need to redue this comparison. The driver or drivers where drunk, they couldn't keep the truck in one lane, they where all over the road.👍🍻
The only place a cvt is good. Beamng
would like to see a 60-120 comparison
Manual *shift to lower gear manually*
Automatic *shoft to lower gear automotically*
CVT *Revving*
Good job bro.you always answer evryones quetions.
A lot of missing information. Front wheel drive? Rear wheel drive? If it's rear wheel drive, what's the axle differential? It does make a difference.