BTW, thank you for translating this video. Like I said originally, I still think it's VERY interesting, regardless of the final result. Best wishes....
Actually I look at this now and as it was my first ever subt/trans it's not as good as my present ones and I've rushed it as I wanted to finish it before the actual weightlifting started at London 2012.
VZweightlifting i have do verifications with all my personnal barbell...all my certified iwf Weightlifting bars have a distance of 91cm between marks ...and on my lonely powerbar (ipf certified) distance is 81cm. (Sub tittle 16.15 ERRATUM)....THANK YOU FOR THIS SUPER DOCUMENT ON OUR FAVORITE SPORT.
Very informative article, which shows the difference in the details of weightlifting. If weight lifter is not good enough in this sport can still change to the athletics (long jump) :)
Don't get me wrong Vladimir. I think that the athletes display extraordinary strength, form, mental toughness, etc., etc. And I hope others don't think I'm trying to 'discredit' the world's elite. It's not simply a matter of being "black & white" in the sense that it makes an average person into an olympic champion. Rather, I think this new "technology", however 'suttle' it may appear, is what makes the difference (sometimes, not always) between Gold and Bronze, or Silver and 4th place.....
What you said is totally relevant. However I still think there is only so much technology can do in weightlifting. Mostly it's about natural talent, hard work, patience etc The athlete lifts the 100+ kilos, then the technology and technique allows to bring up those extra 2-3kg. If it would be the other way round, you could say that it's no longer about the best athlete. Tomorrow I am uploading a new video about Ilya Ilyin, I'd be glad to listen to your opinion afterwards.
Any country that is particularly strong at a certain sport most likely has a long tradition with it. More participants simply means more competition which also means that the national teams will have the pick of the lot. In some of these countries, for some sports, simply making the national team is harder than winning Olympic gold.
One of the biggest reasons as to why Russia does so well in Olympic lifting is because there is such a deep talent pool due to it being a much popular sport than it is in the US for example. In China's case, they have a huge talent pool because of sheer number or people that they hand pick and train from a very young age; it pays off at the expense of a normal childhood.
Good point...... I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you are advocating. Their are probably some incredible athletes around the 'globe' who could benefit astronomically simply by having a coach or two to help them understand 'key aspects' of weightlifting and many other sports. I think it could be interesting to see what human potential can really do if given the right opportunities. However, I wouldn't even know where to begin, in order to make that dream a reality. Any ideas?
How is it any different? Having access to better coaching and training facilities is not an advantage? If you truly wanted to "level the playing field" these are very important factors to keep in mind.
mate with all the respect what you suggest is not right, simple as this. Those or similar tests are used to improve sprinters, swimmers, gymnastics, football, cycling.............and the list goes on performances. And its not only 1 country, do you think that China or USA or Germany or ..... etc. etc. choose their athletes in random? do you think that they don't use videos? computers to analyze technique etc? This does not happen only sport but in every profession.....
Great job Vladimir, i hope i can ever have a technical session as a trainer at Eleiko Sportcentre in Sweden one time, maybe we could try to workout some coöperation to get you to Amsterdam/the Netherlands? Please feel free to contact me, Tom Bruijnen
A "few techniques" is not what we're taliking about here. It's about how many kilograms. Altering 2 or three "things" can easily be the difference between attaining a Gold medal or no medal at all....... When these "techniques" are allowed to be employed, that simply means your not dealing with a 'level' playing field. How can you know that particular lifter is the best? It's no longer about the best lifter/athlete, but rather, who has the best scientists (my opinion).
I don't see anything wrong with analysis and using modern tech to try to help a lifter be the best that he can be. There are so many variables and at the end of the day, every lifter is a real human, not a robotic machine. Head games play a part in how well a lifter performs on the day of the comp. No computer system can help with that. It's down to the grit and determination of the athlete.
Because the "cutting edge stuff" is done in every sport to a certain degree. There are only few techniques here that aid the lifters. Pick another sport like F1 for example. It's all based on computers, calculations. If one comes up with a new time of fuel management system, doubt he will be called a cheat. Just my opinion.
Rugby is a team sport. Certain PEDs would be beneficial for certain sports over others. I will say that in the professional realm that usage of PEDs is more widespread and the regulations related to its use is nowhere nearly as stringent as it is where International Federations are involved; weightlifters I know get tested every couple of months or on a quarterly basis. Also, I am sorry to say, but there is no such thing as a professional weightlifter.
Simply saying that all the athletes are juicing up is a poor excuse. I've observed and trained with the South Korean and Canadian national teams. Before they take so much as a vitamin, they have to call the anti-doping body and list out the ingredients. If one of those ingredients is banned; these lists get updated constantly; harder to stay 'ahead of the curve' so to speak, then they are not allowed to take it. This rule applies for every sport at the competitive level.
We're not talking about every sport (you probably couldn't provide any evidence if we were). And as far as olympic weightlifting goes, only the one country has 'employed' this new technology. That creates an "uneven playing field" (websters' defines that as cheating.)
That's simply not true. 'Science & Technology' is a completely different issue than the wisdom and knowledge that good coaching can bring. However, since you suggested it, why not let lifters from all over the globe learn about the proper training regimen, techniques, form, etc., etc., just like baseball, basketball, and football players do?
man i forget how naive some people are sometimes. No shit some countries have a bigger pull for the sport I'm from NZ we play rugby that games our heritage the sport almost every boy plays as a kid and that's why we own the rest of the world at it. however that has got nothing todo with athletes taking performance enhancing drugs esp in sports where they willbe more effective suchas weightlifting. most pro weightlifters would have taken roids at some point in their career its pretty much assumed
I don't buy this at all. All the bigger weightlifting countries have the same technology and access to the same equipment and training methods. Reminds me of the legend that carrots increase your eyesight. England didn't want Germany to know they'd invented radar, so they spread the word that carrots made their pilots see better. Ha. No, I think the answer is simpler. All the Russians got bigger and stronger and won, yet most were scrateched from the Olympics which has better drug testing? Hmm
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that was one of the best videos on olympic lifting I had ever seen so far.
Thankyou for putting this up, for the subtitles in particular!
This is one of the best olympic lifting videos ive seen
Oh, and thank you for posting this and for the subtitling. Very interesting.
Thank you for all these great uploads, man! You do a great work! Keep it up!
many thanks for the subtitles...very interesting and well done documentary...
Thank you for the kind words guys
Thanks for the subtitles, great job
BTW, thank you for translating this video. Like I said originally, I still think it's VERY interesting, regardless of the final result. Best wishes....
I love it. Now i understand why i love my eleiko comp barbell
Man your videos are awesome. do you translate them yourself? Thanks, man, thanks,
Great! thanks for making this video! Keep up the fantastic work!
Great job with the translating!
Actually I look at this now and as it was my first ever subt/trans it's not as good as my present ones and I've rushed it as I wanted to finish it before the actual weightlifting started at London 2012.
VZweightlifting i have do verifications with all my personnal barbell...all my certified iwf Weightlifting bars have a distance of 91cm between marks ...and on my lonely powerbar (ipf certified) distance is 81cm. (Sub tittle 16.15 ERRATUM)....THANK YOU FOR THIS SUPER DOCUMENT ON OUR FAVORITE SPORT.
Thank you for translating
Great documentary. Thanks.
ERRATUM 16.15....DISTANCE BETWEEN MARKS IS 91CM IN WEIGHTLIFTING...(81CM IS THE POWERLIFTING SPECIFICATION)
Informative and great production!
Very informative article, which shows the difference in the details of weightlifting. If weight lifter is not good enough in this sport can still change to the athletics (long jump) :)
Don't get me wrong Vladimir. I think that the athletes display extraordinary strength, form, mental toughness, etc., etc. And I hope others don't think I'm trying to 'discredit' the world's elite. It's not simply a matter of being "black & white" in the sense that it makes an average person into an olympic champion.
Rather, I think this new "technology", however 'suttle' it may appear, is what makes the difference (sometimes, not always) between Gold and Bronze, or Silver and 4th place.....
What you said is totally relevant. However I still think there is only so much technology can do in weightlifting. Mostly it's about natural talent, hard work, patience etc The athlete lifts the 100+ kilos, then the technology and technique allows to bring up those extra 2-3kg. If it would be the other way round, you could say that it's no longer about the best athlete. Tomorrow I am uploading a new video about Ilya Ilyin, I'd be glad to listen to your opinion afterwards.
Any country that is particularly strong at a certain sport most likely has a long tradition with it. More participants simply means more competition which also means that the national teams will have the pick of the lot. In some of these countries, for some sports, simply making the national team is harder than winning Olympic gold.
Very good, very informative
Very educational, thanks
One of the biggest reasons as to why Russia does so well in Olympic lifting is because there is such a deep talent pool due to it being a much popular sport than it is in the US for example. In China's case, they have a huge talent pool because of sheer number or people that they hand pick and train from a very young age; it pays off at the expense of a normal childhood.
nice watch, thanks a lot!
Good point......
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you are advocating. Their are probably some incredible athletes around the 'globe' who could benefit astronomically simply by having a coach or two to help them understand 'key aspects' of weightlifting and many other sports. I think it could be interesting to see what human potential can really do if given the right opportunities.
However, I wouldn't even know where to begin, in order to make that dream a reality. Any ideas?
Very good video.
How is it any different? Having access to better coaching and training facilities is not an advantage? If you truly wanted to "level the playing field" these are very important factors to keep in mind.
If this was the case everyone should also have the same coaches and be training under the same protocols.
mate with all the respect what you suggest is not right, simple as this. Those or similar tests are used to improve sprinters, swimmers, gymnastics, football, cycling.............and the list goes on performances. And its not only 1 country, do you think that China or USA or Germany or ..... etc. etc. choose their athletes in random? do you think that they don't use videos? computers to analyze technique etc? This does not happen only sport but in every profession.....
Thanks, you have a PM.
Great job Vladimir, i hope i can ever have a technical session as a trainer at Eleiko Sportcentre in Sweden one time, maybe we could try to workout some coöperation to get you to Amsterdam/the Netherlands? Please feel free to contact me, Tom Bruijnen
A "few techniques" is not what we're taliking about here. It's about how many kilograms. Altering 2 or three "things" can easily be the difference between attaining a Gold medal or no medal at all.......
When these "techniques" are allowed to be employed, that simply means your not dealing with a 'level' playing field. How can you know that particular lifter is the best? It's no longer about the best lifter/athlete, but rather, who has the best scientists (my opinion).
I don't see anything wrong with analysis and using modern tech to try to help a lifter be the best that he can be. There are so many variables and at the end of the day, every lifter is a real human, not a robotic machine. Head games play a part in how well a lifter performs on the day of the comp. No computer system can help with that. It's down to the grit and determination of the athlete.
Because the "cutting edge stuff" is done in every sport to a certain degree. There are only few techniques here that aid the lifters. Pick another sport like F1 for example. It's all based on computers, calculations. If one comes up with a new time of fuel management system, doubt he will be called a cheat. Just my opinion.
Are you suggesting coaching should be illegal?
ok how many medals of any kind did your country get in London?
Rugby is a team sport.
Certain PEDs would be beneficial for certain sports over others. I will say that in the professional realm that usage of PEDs is more widespread and the regulations related to its use is nowhere nearly as stringent as it is where International Federations are involved; weightlifters I know get tested every couple of months or on a quarterly basis.
Also, I am sorry to say, but there is no such thing as a professional weightlifter.
ok how many gold in 2012 London?
I applaud the scientific innovation (cutting edge stuff). However, I can't understand how that isn't cheating......
Simply saying that all the athletes are juicing up is a poor excuse. I've observed and trained with the South Korean and Canadian national teams. Before they take so much as a vitamin, they have to call the anti-doping body and list out the ingredients. If one of those ingredients is banned; these lists get updated constantly; harder to stay 'ahead of the curve' so to speak, then they are not allowed to take it. This rule applies for every sport at the competitive level.
We're not talking about every sport (you probably couldn't provide any evidence if we were). And as far as olympic weightlifting goes, only the one country has 'employed' this new technology. That creates an "uneven playing field" (websters' defines that as cheating.)
easy, because its still the lifter having to correct his own motion its simply recording what the eye cant track
KLOKOV @ 18:00
Are you?
That's simply not true. 'Science & Technology' is a completely different issue than the wisdom and knowledge that good coaching can bring. However, since you suggested it, why not let lifters from all over the globe learn about the proper training regimen, techniques, form, etc., etc., just like baseball, basketball, and football players do?
А потом всех на допинге поймали наших спортсменов
man i forget how naive some people are sometimes. No shit some countries have a bigger pull for the sport I'm from NZ we play rugby that games our heritage the sport almost every boy plays as a kid and that's why we own the rest of the world at it. however that has got nothing todo with athletes taking performance enhancing drugs esp in sports where they willbe more effective suchas weightlifting. most pro weightlifters would have taken roids at some point in their career its pretty much assumed
indeed, russians knows!
РУССКИЕ ИДУТ!!!
this wot m8
I don't buy this at all. All the bigger weightlifting countries have the same technology and access to the same equipment and training methods. Reminds me of the legend that carrots increase your eyesight. England didn't want Germany to know they'd invented radar, so they spread the word that carrots made their pilots see better. Ha.
No, I think the answer is simpler. All the Russians got bigger and stronger and won, yet most were scrateched from the Olympics which has better drug testing? Hmm