SOLE SLIP: GWR 'Star' No 4003 'Lode Star'
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'Lode Star', the oldest surviving Great Western 4-6-0, is placed beneath the Sole Slip magnifying glass.
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Welp, now shes a lone star...
LOL XD
*insert CSI Miami theme here*
I personally consider the Star class to be Churchward's masterpiece. People always hype about the Castles, but they were developed from the Stars, so arguably the Stars are more influential on steam locomotive development. It would be great to see Lode Star running, but so much would have to be tampered with to comply with Network Rail red tape, that there' s a more likely chance of world peace happening than that ever happening.
And the fact that the Kings, with pretty much twice the TE, used virtually the same frames that Churchward did on the Stars, just proves how modern his design was.
One issue with returning her to steam is that she'd need a full repaint and I believe (though I may be wrong) that, along with 4073, she is the last steam loco to still carry a genuine Swindon Works GWR paint job that she revived on initial presivation.
I've always found the layout of these locos to be pretty strikingly modern, for the time they were built. Considering that 'City of Truro' made her famous run only two years prior, and most railways had only just started thinking about large 4-6-0s, it's amazing how ahead of their time these locos were.
Great video as always! I love your presentation style!
The only GWR Churchward 4-6-0 in preservation. The new build Saint is just a retrofitted Collett Hall.
Original? The paint was applied by BR and it's got 50-odd years' worth of wear on it - and the paint is in pretty poor nick, having been patched over the years. Ditto 46235 'City of Birmingham' - the originality argument really doesn't apply. I didn't notice anyone complaining about the American A4s being repainted from BR-applied Brunswick while they were here...
@@richardharrold9736 What meant was original build.
Not in original condition with the brass bearding removed either. It is however the ONLY Churchward 4-6-0 preserved
I've edited my comment to avoid any confusion about what i'm saying.
Well both are/were collett machines
I guess she's a star attraction for enthusiasts.
Only one Locomotive would dare give me the Strawberry Jam... Lode Star.... LODE STAR!!
Beautiful locomotive! Such a pioneer. It was the first GW engine I ever saw in my life and holds a special place there.
I like Lode Star. She's a beautiful locomotive. I would pay to see her back up and running.
Same.
@thomas weekley true right there as seen her in person witch shes actuly a beuty rather lode star then scotsman in steam
I disagree cos I find Scotsman to be more unique among preserved engines; though Lode Star's got hear beat in terms of elegance.
@@castlesandjazzers1534 I have no idea by what you mean when you state Scotsman is more unique than Lode Star. Unique means one only and as there is only one each of Scotsman and Lode Star, they are both equally unique. Perhaps you mean Scotsman is more attractive or larger but it is certainly not 'more unique' as there is no such valid description.
You wouldn’t expect such a nice, powerful and efficient engine to have been built before the 1920s.
Lode Star is old English for a compass. Nothing to do with a trip to the stars. Lode is a magnetic mineral that was thought to have magical properties (charging a compass needle was one of them).
Pretty pretty pretty, Stars do look good
Ah its good to see more proper gwr machines
Lode Star will never return to steam as she was the last GWR locomotive to be painted at Swindon in traditional GWR colours. She is therefore priceless as a static exhibition.
Saw her at the NRM last week. She’s a beauty.
Loved this one Chris. I remember you remarking to a comment on another Sole SLIP that you had to keep the videos short to cater for the fact there were only a certain amount of angles you could film. Despite agreeing with you in principle and not particularly being a GWR man, I have to say I could easily gaze upon shots of this locomotive for anything up to an hour! Many thanks. Adam
LNER LMS SR & BR: Pacifics are the only suitable engines for the best express services.
GWR: Hold my ten-wheeler beer
Nice job from Australia
Great Western locos were always pushing the boundaries as far as the civil engineer would permit- this is due in part to those modern, high pressure, superheated taper boilers being very heavy. The downside was that all the two cylinder and four cylinder engines had weak and under-engineered frames. This was finally resolved with the "Modified Hall" class of loco in 1944. For forty years, GWR engines of high power had frames that were not very robust and this is why the first Star locos were withdrawn in 1932 as the frames would have been bent and cracked but because of standardisation, just about all of the scrapped engine could be re-used- so the engine may have gone but most of it lived on. Churchward was obsessed with eliminating "hammer blow" which is why he looked at four cylinders when he had a superb two cylinder engine in the Saint class. He wanted to create balance- and used motion that was identical on the inside and outside cylinders- and this meant placing the outside cylinders further back. This is just where the frames were weakest as that is where the rear axle of the bogie is- cutting the depth of the frame. Stanier kept this feature on the 1933 Princess Royal class when he went to the LMS but other design engineers there eliminated this for the Princess Coronation class a few years later- which is why the outside steam pipe is vertical- not an elbow pipe like on the Princess Royals, Castles and Kings and then added to the Stars in their old age. Lode Star was retro-fitted with an internal steam pipe for preservation.
What a beautiful engine, would love to see her in service again.
It would be good to see her running again but it's unlikely that this will ever happen as we've got 8 castle's in preservation which are basically modern versions of the stars aswell as being much more powerful and having a much higher tractive effort than the stars. Compared to Lode Star the castle's are much younger with the youngest castle to operate in preservation being 68 years old. Also there's gonna be a good number of them running on the mainline in a few years time. Presently only 5043 & 7029 are operational with 5043 due to be withdrawn for overhaul after the upcoming Tyseley at 50 event but when they're overhauls and restorations are done we'll also have: 4079 Pendennis Castle, 5029 Nunney Castle, 5080 Defiant & 7027 Thornbury Castle operational and running in a few years time.
Twinkle twinkle little star…
I 'cabbed' Lode Star back in '07, when I was on holiday in Britain.
I thought "cabbed" meant a cab ride on a loco in steam.
@@MarkAtkin I wouldn't know, tbh.
I would say she was the inspiration for a lot of the best 4-cylinder passenger locos in the United Kingdom. You are also right when you say that it isn’t super necessary that she run again, but then again Sole Survivors can interest many people.
I love these Sole Slips Chris, they are my favorites. Keep it up, these definitely entertain the crowd 👍
This is my favorite British Standard Gauge Locomotive. It's just so elegant yet at the same time, it has a very rugged look.
I can't fault a Great Western 4-6-0... or 4-4-0... or 0-6-0t... or 0-4-2... or 4-6-2. Guess you can't fault many Great Western engines.
Saw this at the railway museum and automatically started to like it.
If I think it would be a case of if she did steam again it would be nice. But if she doesn’t she doesn’t.
Hey... I have a puzzle of her
Always thought Lode Star was based at Swindon. When was she moved to York?
(Unless this was filmed years ago or something and she's not there anymore)
Moved to York before the old museum at Swindon (The one in the Methodist church) closed. Got to be 20 years or more ago
Nice
How could we have ignored this engine and her class, we’ll never know.
(TheNw1218) The problem is they were disappearing rapidly even when I was a locospotter, and I'm 75. When the ones built before 1914 had all received superheaters they could be said, I hope wthout GW bias, to be the best and most efficient locos in Britain for a number of years. They should be regarded as baby Castles - the boiler is 3" less in diameter and the firebox a foot shorter and they had smaller cylinders. Published logs in the 50's show they could still give any decent Class 5 loco a good run for its money.
Rosie6857 extremely well put, the trouble is, though they were withdrawn over a long period, we didn't really have a preservation movement when the Stars went
Would love to know where you find the background sounds for these short films. That gentile ambiance of a loco shop or shed is really soothing. With the occasional whistle or sound of some form of work being preformed. Make a nice track all on it's own.
Could you do Duke of Gloucester later on?
#LetTheStarRun
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What happened to the other video?
TH-cam glitch. I had to delete it and re-upload it. Sorry about that
Alright. Don't ever stop what you're doing. It's wonderful
Please, PLEASE do a video on Tornado. Your Flying Scotsman video was great, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on a relatively new locomotive.
She was considered for a return to steam in 1985 for the GWR 150 celebrations
A few of these went to Ireland. They were very similar except they were a bit fatter, had outside walchaerts valve gear instead of inside stephenson valve gear and were basically shit and were all rebuilt. XD
None of these went to Ireland although an Irish Loco Supt took them as an inspiration for his own designs which were not successful. The only thing that was common was that both the GWR and Irish locos had 4 cylinders.Obviously he did not have access to the 'Swindon Witchcraft'. Churchward would not have sanctioned any releasing of his designs, but it did not stop others from trying. Even Gresley on the LNER was reduced to subterfuge when Pendennis Castle went to the LNER in 1924 when he ordered the taking down of the motion one night at Top Shed to measure the valve travel.
@@davidpatrick8599 Really? I thought the first few of that class came from Swindon. I suppose I must be wrong then. Ill take a look.
@@Spud607 I think there was even a law enacted in the 1800s to prevent British Railway companies from building locomotives to order. Designed to protect the UK private loco manufacturing companies. Eg Beyer Peacock, Stephenson's etc.
When the Pennsylvania RR got the agreement of Webb and the LNWR to run a Webb compound design, they had to have it built by Stephenson's.
@@johnd8892 Well yes but you have to remember that Ireland was in the UK up until the mid 1920s. Irelabd became independant at about the same time the Castles were introduced. That could have a lot to do with it. We still got our locomotives from Britain because we left completely in 1948. Up until then we had been about 85% free. We still had some ties to the UK and I suppose locomotives were included in that because the last steam locomotive to be delivered to an Irish railway arrived in the form of SL&NCR 0-6-4Ts "Lough Erne" and "Lough Dearg". The SL named their engines rather than numbered them but they were numbered 26 and 27 by the UTA when they changed hands after the Irish nationalisation.
@@Spud607 Railway companies were only allowed to build locomotives for themselves by law. Second hand sales allowed.
These laws applied to sales within the UK and to any other country also.
The non railway owning locomotive companies were encouraged to export locomotives by the framing of this law and also develop capabilities to supply locomotives to the UK railway companies.
Many LMS large classes had many of the class built by the likes of North British Locomotive' Company, Vulcan foundry etc as well as there own works.
Only the railway companies had sales and construction restrictions arising from this law.
It would be nice to see her running.
a star by which a course may be set; for example, Polaris - the Pole Star. Was there ever a Pole Star in the class? I left my Ian Allan 'Combined volumes' behind when I left home, some 55 years ago.
Never even knew this class existed, awesome. I'd say leave her to rest, there are plenty of other GWR 4-6-0s to run, Lode Star can stay static and preserved.
*insert space balls reference here*
I wish it was operational.
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Wow
Did you do a video of the LMS Royal Scot Class?
Not yet. But, all in good time
@@ChristheXelent cool. Fair enough.
I made a Spaceballs reference for humorous purposes.
Beautiful engine! I think she should steam in preservation! The museum should stop worrying about money!
What a ridiculous statement. Where would said money come from?
I mean they should set up a fundraising project and people who want her to be restored shall donate
It's not a money issue, the museum has, for a long time, refused to steam this or the Dean goods, owing to their Ex-Swindon condition. I would like to see her steam again to as the tired and tatty Swindon paint job can't last for ever, however, with each new curator there is a possibility of a change of policy, so never say never!
olly5764 I know that but the museum would say never. However heritage railways never say never
No, the museum would and do say, "Not under the current policy" that is their line. The museum's management changes over time, the current management have no more control over future regimes than John Coiley has over the present regime
Isn’t Lode Star the very engine who Killed Churchward during one of his rail track inspections......actually never mind I got that mixed up it was actually Berkeley Castle
What did you mean the only GWR 4-6-0 to not run in preservation as of 2018?
That's not what he said.
She is shes never run in preservation and all the other preserved gwr 4-6-0 classes have run at least once
Kings
Castles
Halls
Saints
Manors
They’ve all run in preservation lode star hasnt
Where's the other intro?
No Leave Lode Star in Static Due she one off and other GWR 4 Cylinders Can do it better
The Stars are no different then other GWR 4-6-0s lol
It looks like Flying Fox 's basis
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT LAST COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... lol