Origins of the Talmud: From Bar Kochba to the Advent of Islam (I Survived Jewish History pt. IV)
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- A brief overview of Jewish history from the end of the Bar Kochba revolt in the 130s through the development of the diaspora community in Babylonia and the compilation of the Talmud. Part IV of the I Survived Jewish History series at Young Israel of Lawrence-Cedarhurst.
This video is scheduled to premiere with a live chat with Dr. Abramson on Monday, March 2 at 9PM EST. The chat will be moderated to remove any intellectual vandals who might seek to disrupt the discussion. An advance viewing version of this lecture (unedited, including the cheesy jokes and tangential asides) is available to channel members here: • Origins of the Talmud ... (for more information on membership, visit / @henryabramsonphd , note that it is not available in all countries).
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As a non-Jewish person with an intense interest in Jewish and Middle Eastern history, this channel is a treasure trove. Thank you, Dr. Abramson; your lectures bring clarity to periods of history not often discussed in modern American academia and I always look forward to them.
Totally agree.
@@gmau3945 Probabily is offensive to read this about a saviour. But the same was written about all jews who violated the Law of Moses in a similar way as Jesus. Try to remember, for jews Jesus was only another 'miracle worker' in a country governed by the romans...then, they were killed and persecuted in the name of a person they did not even know...By the way: such a domain was described by people who experienced clinical death. Read the first book of dr. Eben Alexander, for example..
@@lilianavois4391 So what are you saying about Jesus' death?
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Amazing lecture Dr Abramson...as a Muslim I really appreciate how you make this topic so interesting ..
dear Dr. Abrahamson, i have always enjoy your lectures, when i get a chance to view them. i hope you don't count me as one of the crazies. i am a Catholic, from a Muslim country, who has always been, and will continue to learn about the First Born.
As a German Jew I love your history lectures. Long live the Jews!
Love, this new series so much and have much respect for Dr Henry. I've been watching shyly for 4 years so I'm a shy crazy Catholic history buff.
Ok, thanks!
You are loved for having honest, truthfully and all encompassing lectures .
Thanks
As far as I understand, the Jerusalem Talmud is shorter because it was never completed due to the 4th century persecutions of Gallus and Ursicinus that devastated the small remnant of Jewish presence in Galilee. The surviving sages joined the rabbis in Babylonia and together closed the Babylonian Talmud, which is the 'standard Talmud' so to speak.
A treasure trove of knowledge & insights as usual. the final few minutes were astonishing to a non-Jew: learning about the Jewish tradition of associating the introduction of the alphabet at age three with the fun activity of finger lickin' honey was amazing. An extraordinary foreshadowing of some modern pedagogical techniques (multi-sensory learning & reinforcement). Thank you.
Fascinating lecture and excellent slides! Thank You very much dr. Abramson.
You're most welcome!
This was an amazing lecture! Super helpful in explaining simply the different terms of Talmud, Gemara, Mishnah, etc.
You're welcome! I'm so glad that you enjoyed the lecture and that it was helpful!
Informative and edifying! Thank you!
Extremely informative!!!! Thanks so much for your work
Another great lecture thank you so much for sharing this
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cool stuff Henry
Thank you Professor Abramson!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it.
Ive never been a part of the Jewish community by faith or study because my grandmother decided to end traditions for her children , and thus it never reached me. but i always think about the mysticism of these texts, it sucks that the world is so anti semmetic right now. its clearly just another attempt to bring down marginalized peoples. have been loving these talks ,and similar talks on hidu and budddist texts lately. this was amazing to listen to , thank you. took a tiny bump of ketamine everytime you said 'talmud'.
The Talmud is basically a 2000 year old forum thread.
That’s a cool way to put it
Merci beaucoup for this lecture!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
De rien!
Thank you for this delightful and informative presentation. I believe you mentioned the third century is when we see the Talmud in writing. Did I understand that correctly? Early or late? Thanks.
Thank you Dr Abramson. I enjoy binge-listening to your different lecture series’.
I have a question concerning the part of this lecture where you talked about some of the commonalities between Judaism and Christianity. I was expecting you to mention monotheism but I don’t remember you mentioning it. Why not?
I don't think it was on my agenda at the time, but it bears mentioning that the doctrine of the Trinity is regarded as a defective monotheism by many thinkers such as Maimonides. Not my area to speak to the theological differences in great detail.
Dr Abramson is the best historian on YT.
Very academic approach to Jewish religious sources. Keep up doctor.
Thanks!
One giant struggle session for poor souls who are lost and still deny Christ. The only one who can save you 😢
Sigh.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD
Why Sigh?
Reminder set!😉
Muslims who are confuse about Talmud and Torah: think this Torah -> Quran Talmud -> Hadiths
I graduated from Touro in NY. Studying never ends.
Thanks, very informative!
You are welcome!
great and entertaining history lecture. Dr, on this you are second to.....none...thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
You are correct, that some of the early church fathers were against the practice of circumcision, observing the sabbath, and passover by the early believers of Jesus.
Thanks for the lecture I am interested in whether the Talmud has gone under things like source criticism , textual criticism or the other criticism
How much do the early manuscripts of the Talmud line up with the Talmud of today
I know when reading the Talmud for myself I had to look up some historical things as what is that !
Did the Talmud borrow from any other literature or even the mishnah.
As being a scholar you must be familiar with historical critical analysis as you mentioned that some scholars are studying Persian to further understand the Talmud
I am also interested in how the talmud got from the manuscripts to its current book form
Glad you enjoyed the lecture! Yes, there is quite a bit of academic treatment of the Talmud, more than I can easily refer to here in the comment box. On the printing of the Talmud, you might enjoy this lecture: th-cam.com/video/jlGLxw_k05s/w-d-xo.html
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thanks 😃
14:06 'Judea'. Israel disappeared circa 721BC (as you know). The region where Israel used to be was now called Samaria. The Samaritans were disliked by the Judeans.
Do you moderate comments?
no shortage of character defamation as always
Character defamation of who exactly?
You draw a very wide audience, but one thing bothers me about this presentation. I missed the usual jokes at the beginning.
I think the common Christian’s true question is… does this count as inspired material like the Old Testament? Is this considered canon? Cause to me it seems like a long thread type discussion, which of course would have uninspired parts occasionally.
Less than kind people say this is the equivalent to the book of genesis or something. I’m having a hard time understanding myself where this lies
Fantastic information
Thanks!
I searched for Gemara and didn’t get any hits for it just Talmud. Why is this?
As Dr. Abramson said in the lecture, Gemara is the word for Talmud in the Aramaic language. Gemara and Talmud are words from sister languages and are synonyms.
"Crazy people" = "anyone who challenges my views and opinions."
Pffft. Ok
Based
Would love to hear you discuss, the views from your perspective about stories in the Midrash , Book of Jasher and possibly even in the Quran about Abraham being thrown in the furnace by Nimrod and surviving. His brother, Haran , was not so lucky and died in the flames. Also I'm pretty sure it mentions how even at Abraham's birth there was a sign in the stars that led to Nimrod trying to kill Abraham , but an imposter baby was killed instead.
Exploring the Ka with host Ra Castaldo imposter baby😫🤣🤣🤣☠️
Dr. Abramson, I have a question. In our day what is the usefulness of Talmud? Having more than 4000 pages is a book not easy to read. It is useful only to scholars and rabbinic studies???
More of a question for a Rabbi than a historian. Have a look at alldaf.org if you want some guidance.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD OK, my impression was that my question is silly and a simple answer will be enough. From your response I guess it is not so simple. Thank you anyhow.
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I read thru the comments and I didn't see to many crazies.
Although I seen quite a few in Will Durants "life of the Jews" comment section.
That's beccause Abrahmson deletes comments that make him feel "uncomfortable".
@@curiousone65Which is entirely his prerogative. There are a few here all the same.
"These are the kinds of c
crazy people that are attracted to Talmoud lectures on TH-cam" Hell yeah!🤣
If I ask what is the talmud, just tell me WHAT IS THE TALMUD please
Book of rabbinic Jewish law and discussions
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-oral-law-talmud-and-mishna
Looks like a typesetter's nightmare.
It is definitely complex.
Innocent means someone that doesn´t know, or in legal procedures someone who is not related to some fact, it doesnt mean not guilty. Roman law tends to declare a legal truth, so when theres no proof against the culpirt the judge only states so, and when some new proof appears in favour of the culprit the sentrences goes as the previous facts have vanished. Saint also means to impose a contract or pact (sanction), and has nothing to do with being pure or obedient (comes from roman god Sancus), so res sanctae was appart from public propierty because it was offered to some god.
Some muslim said talmud ia the book created by jewish scholar , noq i know it's same.with hadith in Islam, the hadith=oral torah , the misnah same with fiqih or muslim jurist interpretation on the shaeia
My uncle jamal has studied talmud
Hope he found it worthwhile.
It’s over. Give up the act. God is tired
'... the same types (of crazy) that attract people with the word Talmud on TH-cam...' I guess my fave modern Jewish historian has his bias expressed in sarcasm but that only proves he is Jewish. I'm happy to say that I don't expect a Jewish historian to be free of biases, for sure. The opening remarks are somewhat spurious but I accept these are expressed in very entertaining ways. 😆 I suppose that Dr Abramson falls into 'infotainment' and one might have to question how he frames the facts. Nevertheless, he does make a great deal about the Jewish culture accessible to the 'TH-cam' crazy types! 😉😆
He’s the man!
The Jews have so much history love learning my Lord and savior people and God chosen.names I can't get,but this man is good teacher,as a Christian for yrs I didn't have much for the Jews,,but I saw the light by understanding that you have to know the old testament to be connected to the new testament and run across this man and all his studies through all there history,from prophets to rabbi after death of Jesus till. First century to WW2 to today,so much misery but somuch a will to survive and to be where they are today is a miracle by God promise to them,and you better believe the Bible is true.
One G-d one book.
G-d doesn't change His laws esp. not to latecoming wannabee replacers with an agenda to demean.
Second viewing 😉
Hm. Maybe some of the "crazies" actually read the entire Babylonian Talmud firsthand. I know some people like that, including a few inverse converts who read it in its original language, and the experience informed what they now believe.
Make it simple.
Human divided into two groups.
1. Good , knowledge , logic , unbiased Human ., Beliefs in judgment Day.
2 . Opposite of 1.
Digest this first.
Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
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You are welcome, Sir
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So, basically; the Talmud offers no answers. lol!
I don't understand how anti Talmudic = AntiSemitism
John Johnson you act like the book is 100% good.
@John Johnson I looked up what all the haters were saying about Talmudic scriptures and I decided to look up the Talmud for myself rather than rely on those KKK and Nazi haters. What I found was that the Jews and Israelis have translations of the Talmud available for our inspection. Over a million words, Paragraph after paragraph are listed in Hebrew followed by the English translation of that paragraph. Until you get to the verses that Louis Fahrakan or David Duke is referring to, the racist verses encouraging Jews to lie and steal and kill non-Jews. Those paragraphs are only in Hebrew. Nuff said.
@@215ghost3 you act like you have some knowledge on the Talmud. And to me this seems highly unlikely.
margasa how do know what I know lol
anti-Semitism is religious and racial, we are our religion, to hate it is to hate us. Jews want no part of your world, but you insist on this obsession with our religion.
He was regarded as a potential messiah .... these rabbis were wrong so often, why anyone still listens ...
Why place so much emphasis on a non-inspired "book" over the Word of God itself? Maybe I am considered crazy. 😂 To me this places one in Error instead of finding Truth. This would also keep one in Darkness instead of Light.
Never place anything above the Word of G-d. Hold God’s Laws in your heart not Elaborated Man's interpretation of God's Revelation to us, it is complete and He gave us all we need to know in the Sacred Scriptures. ❤
Can’t please everyone.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD All we can do is to keep them in our prayers.
There is a future for the Jews in Christianity
@@enochcushite496 it’s the truth, they are in rebelling against G-d but the scriptures say that at the end they will convert
Basically the Talmud has to be read with the notion of the history when the Talmud was written and the era. The elders who passed down the teachings of the Talmud should have done their best to correct the perverse influence involved. It is not of great nature to teach separation among people who have no fault in their lives
Not sure what you mean.
Mr Abramson what he is saying is that he is an assimilationist Jew hater
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Why not make a completely vernacular Talmud, which can be comprehended in the world's major languages of English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, and Greek/Latin(scholar languages)? If there are things in the Talmud, which could cause controversy, then they can be civilly discussed and debated. The Christian Bible has been translated into the vernacular for centuries, which has popularized Christianity. The vernacular translations of the Christian Bible was a result of the reformation. Couldn't Judaism have a similar reformation, though, pray, less violent than the Christian one? Post Script: I don't consider the Soncino edition authoritative enough.
Vernacular translations of the Bible are terrible and academically useless crap.
Because unlike.the Christians we aren't trying to sell faith to the masses. If you care you learn, if you don't care you remain ignorant. If you're not a Jew its not for you.
@@jacoblandau5633 Only Jews are allowed to know of the Talmud? Why? Are you implying that? Do I misunderstand you? Why so angry? If Jews think the Talmud so worthy of learning, why shouldn't non-Jews find it as worthy as well? Translate it word for word into vernacular with idioms as well. Let the world benefit from the knowledge of the Jews.
@@Ken_Scaletta It beats having priests translate from the Latin or Greek for you. Was it not an improvement for the world in general that one did not have to be a linguist to read the Bible? Do you really want knowledge to be only in the hands of the privileged few when it comes to Christianity?
@@PRmoustache88 A vernacular translation does not mean an English translation. An accurate English translation is not vernacular.
A Dilettante Presumptuous Theorem: May God always bless Rebbe Yisroel Dovid Weiss, Amen. From what I have seen on a number of videos the Ultra-Orthodox do not make their own rules because the Creator GOD gave the Haredim 613 rules for them in the five books of Moses. May GOD continually bless the people of the Haredim over the whole flat earth, Amen. The Haredim Rebbes preach the Word of the Almighty GOD. I love the Haredim people and especially the Haredim Rebbes. They have been following the 613 Laws of Moses for over 3,000 years and will continue with GOD's help.
The Haredim Rebbes preach the same Way of Living under GOD that Non-Denominational Bible believing Christians do, who have a personal relationship with GOD. Non-Denominational Bible believing Christians and the Haredim People live under the will of GOD the Almighty. Bless His Holy Name, Amen. May GOD protect the Haredim Rebbes and people, Amen (Let it be so).
the law was created to SERVE the people not the people SERVING the law! But you will never understand this sadly.. cause you have externalised God and do not really understand anything at all. The tree of life is US ! All of US! And to have life ETERNAL you have to give give give to your neighbor and love him her like your self. But people are completely incapable to understand or process any of what i am saying. Cause this world has turned all the laws upside down to serve an EXTERNAL God. And so you harm ALL LIFE! continuously so remorselessly so because you all fail to understand what that book really tried to tell you! And so we have all been turned into slaves TO the law controlled by what this misunderstanding of the texts have created : MONSTERS and Psycopaths.
we are all doomed ... we do not even know how to love our selves... and no one loves their neighbor as themselves ... we are ALL DOOMED! This world is beyond repair.
Life is cheap and undervalued.. you only need one commandment : LOVE YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER! Now look around you what do you see? Lost souls everywhere.
615 laws my goodness .. what utter prison cells what utter devoidness of any instincts or inspiration what chocked existence what rotary existence without any kind of IMAGINATION! What utter slavery and suppression of the expression of life ITSELF! No change no progress POSSIBLE under such conditions! I really hope when i served my time here on this prison planet that my soul gets destroyed never having to live through this trauma again of being incarcerated with billions of other souls all thinking they know it all , all wanting to dominate one another , all choking on themselves and their foul deeds against life itself!
Who is crazy?🤣
Can you please explain the validity of the Talmud or any oral law according to Sefer Joshua chapter 8, verse 32 to 35 ?
If you can't, please take it out of your cannon and stop calling Talmudic Rabbinism Judaism as it paints non-talmudic Semites in a bad light.
I think you have this channel confused with something else. Google "people who are in charge of the canon" or "support groups for non-Talmudic Semites."
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So you then confirm that you willingly avoid answering the question regarding your own canon (Joshua 8:32-35) stating that the concept of an oral law is invalid. You will have to answer to this one day and it is hoped that you find the truth.
@Henry Abramson
So you then confirm that you willingly avoid answering the question regarding your own canon (Joshua 8:32-35) stating that the concept of an oral law is invalid. You will have to answer to this one day and it is hoped that you find the truth.
@@mornepretorius9837 Samuel 1:21 verse 16. (15 in KJV). Here's a link: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%2021&version=KJV
@@HenryAbramsonPhD
Are the five loves not common in a way?
1 Samuel 21:4-5
4. And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women. 5. And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.
1 Samuel 21:13
And he changed his behavior before them, and PRETENDED himself to be mad in their hands, and marked on the doors of the gate and let his spittle fall down on his beard.
Talmud says to jews
that jews should send curse on christians everyday😂😂
That's a lie
Paganism 101
I would listen to the smartest man to ever live. Shlomo king Solomon in Ecclesiastes he says to beware of the men that make books about books that see no end.. Now i know what he was talking about yikes and woe to the Orthodox jews and sages...this is coming from a gentile that loves jews that love the CREATOR and that only study the real TORAH aka the 5 books of Moses and the prophets and the psalms.
All the Abrahamic writings are of the Wicked One.
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Jesus Christ... Dr Abramson was right.
Boring 😴..... you want something beneficial read Alan watts