I have this two exact laptops, Lenovo provided by my employer, great for work and service. And the Mac for my personal use, excellent battery, display, no noise, light and looks great.
In my experience it's always been the case, I still use my Retina 2012, it works flawlessly. It was indeed expensive when I bought it, but there wasn't anything even at its price range in 2012 that matched its screen, touchpad, esthetics and so on.
Keep making videos! You analyze products very well. Put yourself in your viewer's position and think like a "potential buyer" of any product and you will do very well.
Tried an M1 Air for a few days, and the performance is truly amazing. But lack of 32-bit app support, game controller support, and glossy screen + general chassis fragility are just deal-breakers for me 😕. Apple are never going to fix that, so I guess I'm waiting for Windows/Linux CPUs (whether x86 or ARM-based) to catch up.
I've used the thinkpad for over a year and just recently got a macbook air M1. I tried it specifically because my experience with the thinkpad as a laptop was complete trash. Not only is the M1 faster despite having less Memory the ergonomics are on another planet. Keyboard wise the I prefer the mac. The trackpad is a million percent better.
No plan to do more videos for a while currently. Probably doesn’t help but the p14s Gen. 2 amd benchmark is in a previous video, really that is the main difference.
such a great video! you’re hilarious, & did such a great job of keeping my attention. i actually just searched for the t14, but was so delighted when you showed up doing a comparison between it & the m1. keep up the great content!!
M1 is a revolution in computing. It is sad to see Intel dying like this, but they deserved it, last 10 years there was no innovation from Intel, and Apple was working hard on new architecture since first IPhone.
Why M1? I don't get the hype. AMD is making 7nm chips too, now intel. They say intel and amd are way behind apple m1. But never heard a real explanation as to why and how apple gained so much ground. I suspect it's more to do with their marketing, which is VERY good.
@@BriO853 Intel/AMD are behind because of efficiency of M1 architecture. Intel would have to go to 1-3nm to catch up with efficiency with M1 on 7nm. They gained so much ground because Apple for years was preparing this architecture on their phones (bionic), Intel/AMD will never catch-up because of limitations of x86 architecture.
@@tomaszcodasz In 2020, the M1 was supposed to blow out the competition for 30 years. 2 years later, looks like it's mayonnaise vs mustard. Nothingburger.
@@BriO853 What? I have M1, today this is my main workstation, working with 4K monitor with build-in KVM (M28U), everything in one cable, and it has higher performance than my old I7 9th gen desktop. There is nothing that come close in terms of performance/productivity in laptops. And all of this is PASSIVELY cooled. Intel/AMD may catch up with M1 efficiency in 7-10 years, maybe.
Keep in mind the performance benefits and also the battery life benefits for that matter, are only present with native arm applications. And boy, so much stuff will never have a native implementation! Everything else running through rosetta MIGHT run good enough (if at all), but at the penalty of extreme battery and RAM/SSD usage. This renders the Macbooks on par with many current laptops cause it DOES matter what applications you are using daily. BTW, even the built-in Safari browser is culprit here. Don't even try Chrome or Firefox, they will eat your M1 alive in terms of battery...
Macbooks are indeed the great laptops, there no doubt. I've been using my macbook air for 10 years without any trouble. But anyway, I am quite dissatisfied with the fragile charger cable, the unremoveble apple's softwares, the overprice spare parts, the poor specs. Recently, I decided to buy the Thinkpad t14 gen2 instead because I feel like Apple exploits the consumers too much with their high quality but overprice products. The thinkpad works much better than I expected, ram is upgradable, ssd is changeable, there is a lot of freedom here. Battery is not bad it lasts about 7+ hrs "on linux". Talking about the battery, nothing can beat the M1, but honestly, the long battery life is not that important except if you have to work somewhere without electricity for 20 hours+ then M1 is your best choice.
nice review.. gotta mac air yesterday.. but i still learn to use it properly ,especialy about the keyboard functioning its a little bit different but i think i can adapt it soon .... previously iam using x1 carbon for a year....
@@GreenGreenStore yea... today i am testing with my external display Lenovo M14t.. the display connected and shown second display .. but i think it doesnt function perfectly . the touch function is not working and when moving app window , you cannot portion your window to display (...half in main display..half in the second display)...
for general use the Macbook M1 Air is far better option. In every way. BUT if it get's broken in some way, externally or internally, you are screwed and there is also NO way of getting your data off of the chip! In my opinion, just this alone makes any Mac product a huge risk factor. I have seen so many people standing in lines, crying, because of complete loss of important personal data, apple themselves only offer the icloud and that is ridiculous. You can't put a price tag on how much better an exchangable SSD is in a modern laptop!
Hi thanks for the sharing. I have a question, is the trackpad on T14 Gen 2 a hinged pad or a none hinged one that you can press with the same force on the top and on the bottom?
Lovely comparison. Do you know when are thinkpads with 11th Gen i7 8 cores coming ? Also what is the difference between the T series , P series and X1 series in terms of built quality only. I have seen Carbon Fibre vs Magnesium. Do not know which is better.
Build quality depends on machine.... P14s is exactly the same machine as the T14, so no difference. In general, X, T and P are premium laptops, but the bigger, heavier and bulkier laptops obviously are better built than the tiny, thin, lightweight ones.
@@xpusostomos Actually I saw the bill of materials for each series. There is a major difference in built between the 3. Like one is Carbon Fibre one hardened plastic. Other manufactures also make Aluminium. Wanted to know how good is aluminium as compared to these ones
Personally not likely to switch to the M1 (due to the macOS) from my P14s Gen 1 (AMD). Just get more done on Windows. Though look forward to the next few generations of Mac products.
@@GreenGreenStore Exactly. The OS and the snappy experience of Win10 is miles ahead when used with keyboard and mouse. Can't tell the same of MacOS. With touchpad only, It's ok. But the OS still has so many limitations.
honestly Me 20 years of using windows and 10 year of THinkpad using. last year i switch to MAC due to Windows behavior update feature and sucking thinkpad. After many windows f...update and THinkpad auto firmware update they brick my trackpoint and trackpad putton so i realize both lenovo and microsoft abandoned their customer and can not fix the problem they make (also many victims using thinkpad especially T and X series ) they not even test their firmware update (especially lenovo) i am frustrated for pay alot of money to high end device and got what they done to me. These day Microsfot and Lenovo is partner in crime when they want to sell more new laptop and tried to flash bad firmware and brick you lap. Do not go with lenovo and microsft if you wnat to invest for 4-5 year later with expensive product .
This is killing me inside. I have the amd version (Ryzen 7 pro 7850u) something like that. And am thinking about the MacBook Air Only thing holding me back is the keyboard on the air. The MacBook Air is $100 Cheaper till Dec 24th ($799) My thinkpad came with a gap (screen and bezel) on the right side and the right bottom corner is popped out a bit, making a sticky noise when touching it. So do I return this laptop and get a refund? And buy the mac Or should I replace the thinkpad and let the Mac Sale go by. I really like the screen on the Mac and plan to make TH-cam videos, but it’s just that keyboard holding me back The t 14 keyboard is amazing, way better than I thought it was be but the defects are killing me. I love the feel to it but somehow it attracts a lot of fingerprints and oils. What do you think? If I was to get the Mac, I plan on selling it in a year and a half and upgrade then. (Should be able to sell it for a good deal compared to what I would buy it for $799)
The build quality will always be better on the Macs. BUT they can brake unexpectedly easily! (see Rossmann's channel or experiences of mac owners) Repair or more like data recovery is practically already impossible with the M1-line. They will just give you a new one IF you have paid for Apple Care Plus. Longevity is not the best with the latest Macs that's for sure. Resale value is high though, so you can still get rid of it later if you change your mind. A Lenovo will be way harder to sell, even for half the price only 1 year after.
Intel and to a slightly lesser degree AMD are pretty embarrassing when put up against the M1. Apple does have the advantage of having all their own software running on their own hardware, but the fact a lower power part running without a fan stills stays cooler than the intel chip while outperforming it in many tasks is just insane. A cool, silent laptop is what a Thinkpad should be considering how large the case is, but Lenovo suck and I think I'm finally sick of Thinkpads. Lenovo should stop milking loyal users and spend more money on R&D to make better hardware like Apple. I'd use a Mac if I didn't need Windows for work, although I'm also a bit put off by everything being soldered, locked down and when there is a problem having to go to an Apple store to maybe get it fixed, but probably told it's going to be $900 and you might as well buy a new one.
You are only talking built-in or native apps. There are so many stuff unoptimized and not natively supported, think big applications. Running under Rosetta layer requires 2-3x more battery, and way more CPU usage. It's nice to see the theoretical and rarely seen uplifts but the real world experience is with many different types of apps. I myself have an M1 Air and it is wonderful, but I am never in life getting more than 6-7 hours of battery life and it is brand new machine. Why? Cause I actually do some stuff other than browsing and wathing youtube in Safari only.
Thinking Intel vs AMD? Or the T14 Gen 2 vs T14s Gen 2? See our blog: www.cruisetech.co.uk/blogs/news/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-gen-2-vs-t14s-gen-2-2021
Timestamp:
0:00 The start
0:07 Intro
0:20 Mac Design
0:39 T14 Gen 2 Design
1:01 One handed opening
1:24 Ports
2:13 Webcam/ Privacy Shutter
2:38 Display
3:09 Trackpad & Keyboard
4:20 Battery Life
4:37 Vents
05:28 Start of benchmarks
5:33 Geekbench 5 Single core
5:44 Geekbench 5 Multi-core
5:51 Geekbench 5 GPU
6:06 Cinebench R23 Single core
6:15 Cinebench R23 Multi-core
6:24 Luxball
6:34 Speedometer
6:53 CPU + GPU Heat map
7:14 Power consumption
7:41 5 ways the ThinkPad is better
7:46 1- EGPU Support
8:17 2- Multiple display out capabilities
8:26 3- More robust design, larger warranty
8:53 4- Keypad & chassis
9:15 5- More user serviceable
9:30 5 ways the MacBook is better
9:33 1- Better standard display
10:19 2- Thinner, lighter design
10:31 3- One handed opening
10:39 4- Quiet design
11:12 5- Better speakers
11:18 Conclusion
Wow you very well dissected the thinkpad T 13/14 series. Thanks!
I have this two exact laptops, Lenovo provided by my employer, great for work and service. And the Mac for my personal use, excellent battery, display, no noise, light and looks great.
After one decade, finally, apple product (macbook) has way better value/performance than mainstream competitors.
The Sandy Bridge MBA was definitely decent for it's time.
@@GreenGreenStore yeah not to mention it's about one decade ago
In my experience it's always been the case, I still use my Retina 2012, it works flawlessly. It was indeed expensive when I bought it, but there wasn't anything even at its price range in 2012 that matched its screen, touchpad, esthetics and so on.
Keep making videos! You analyze products very well. Put yourself in your viewer's position and think like a "potential buyer" of any product and you will do very well.
I appreciate that!
Tried an M1 Air for a few days, and the performance is truly amazing. But lack of 32-bit app support, game controller support, and glossy screen + general chassis fragility are just deal-breakers for me 😕. Apple are never going to fix that, so I guess I'm waiting for Windows/Linux CPUs (whether x86 or ARM-based) to catch up.
Yes - well observed.
bro an m1 MacBook is not meant for gaming lmao
looks like they will in 2022 - but the Ryzen 5800U is pretty on par with M1
get a hard case and you are set. i got both an m1 air base model and thinkpad x270. im happy with both :D
For me is the glass screen. That's the only reason I return it
I've used the thinkpad for over a year and just recently got a macbook air M1. I tried it specifically because my experience with the thinkpad as a laptop was complete trash. Not only is the M1 faster despite having less Memory the ergonomics are on another planet. Keyboard wise the I prefer the mac. The trackpad is a million percent better.
Your reviews are underrated! thanks.
Thanks for the warm comment. 🙂👍
Would love to see this with the T14 Gen 2 AMD
No plan to do more videos for a while currently. Probably doesn’t help but the p14s Gen. 2 amd benchmark is in a previous video, really that is the main difference.
@@GreenGreenStore are you stopping doing reviews?
such a great video! you’re hilarious, & did such a great job of keeping my attention. i actually just searched for the t14, but was so delighted when you showed up doing a comparison between it & the m1. keep up the great content!!
The warm comment is much appreciated. 👍🙂
I'd rather service a thinkpad over the macbook, if and when it happens, Thanks --nice comparison.
M1 is a revolution in computing. It is sad to see Intel dying like this, but they deserved it, last 10 years there was no innovation from Intel, and Apple was working hard on new architecture since first IPhone.
Why M1? I don't get the hype. AMD is making 7nm chips too, now intel. They say intel and amd are way behind apple m1. But never heard a real explanation as to why and how apple gained so much ground. I suspect it's more to do with their marketing, which is VERY good.
@@BriO853 Intel/AMD are behind because of efficiency of M1 architecture. Intel would have to go to 1-3nm to catch up with efficiency with M1 on 7nm. They gained so much ground because Apple for years was preparing this architecture on their phones (bionic), Intel/AMD will never catch-up because of limitations of x86 architecture.
@@tomaszcodasz In 2020, the M1 was supposed to blow out the competition for 30 years. 2 years later, looks like it's mayonnaise vs mustard. Nothingburger.
@@BriO853 What? I have M1, today this is my main workstation, working with 4K monitor with build-in KVM (M28U), everything in one cable, and it has higher performance than my old I7 9th gen desktop. There is nothing that come close in terms of performance/productivity in laptops. And all of this is PASSIVELY cooled. Intel/AMD may catch up with M1 efficiency in 7-10 years, maybe.
Keep in mind the performance benefits and also the battery life benefits for that matter, are only present with native arm applications. And boy, so much stuff will never have a native implementation! Everything else running through rosetta MIGHT run good enough (if at all), but at the penalty of extreme battery and RAM/SSD usage. This renders the Macbooks on par with many current laptops cause it DOES matter what applications you are using daily. BTW, even the built-in Safari browser is culprit here. Don't even try Chrome or Firefox, they will eat your M1 alive in terms of battery...
Decent comparison. For t14 you can add 32gb ram on top of 8gb with under 100 dollars of cost.
Fair comment.
M1 vs. Intel performance is still shocking to me 😅
M1 is definitely something. Intel gets faster than before with the 11th gen which is great.
What a weird world we live in - i want thinkpad to run linux on it but somehow mac seems like a better deal wtf?!
Perhaps useful to separate the superlative side of the M1 away from the design/OS.
You can just buy 2 laptops :) They are not expensive at all.
Macbooks are indeed the great laptops, there no doubt. I've been using my macbook air for 10 years without any trouble. But anyway, I am quite dissatisfied with the fragile charger cable, the unremoveble apple's softwares, the overprice spare parts, the poor specs. Recently, I decided to buy the Thinkpad t14 gen2 instead because I feel like Apple exploits the consumers too much with their high quality but overprice products. The thinkpad works much better than I expected, ram is upgradable, ssd is changeable, there is a lot of freedom here. Battery is not bad it lasts about 7+ hrs "on linux". Talking about the battery, nothing can beat the M1, but honestly, the long battery life is not that important except if you have to work somewhere without electricity for 20 hours+ then M1 is your best choice.
Thanks. Top video. I like your understated presenting style. You Tube is bursting with tedious gushing narcissists. You are a refreshing change.
Haha thanks. Appreciated.
nice review..
gotta mac air yesterday..
but i still learn to use it properly ,especialy about the keyboard functioning
its a little bit different but i think i can adapt it soon ....
previously iam using x1 carbon for a year....
It feels very snappy in web browser, doesn't it? 😳
@@GreenGreenStore yea... today i am testing with my external display Lenovo M14t.. the display connected and shown second display .. but i think it doesnt function perfectly . the touch function is not working and when moving app window , you cannot portion your window to display (...half in main display..half in the second display)...
for general use the Macbook M1 Air is far better option. In every way. BUT if it get's broken in some way, externally or internally, you are screwed and there is also NO way of getting your data off of the chip! In my opinion, just this alone makes any Mac product a huge risk factor. I have seen so many people standing in lines, crying, because of complete loss of important personal data, apple themselves only offer the icloud and that is ridiculous. You can't put a price tag on how much better an exchangable SSD is in a modern laptop!
Thinkpad advantage: You don't have to give any money to Apple.
🤭
You give the money to a Communist Dictatorship regime instead
@@incrediblygay that is exactly where apple macbooks are made ;)
If X1 nano is too expensive to compare, how about X13 gen 2?
Not out yet here.
@@GreenGreenStore ic, thought X13 gen 2 come first for most regions. Very good video btw.
Thanks for your warm comment on the video.
Hi thanks for the sharing. I have a question, is the trackpad on T14 Gen 2 a hinged pad or a none hinged one that you can press with the same force on the top and on the bottom?
Closer to hinged.
@@GreenGreenStore Thanks. This is really helpful information. I care more about the keyboard and touch pad's feedbacks.
@@irwindong def hinged.
Lovely comparison. Do you know when are thinkpads with 11th Gen i7 8 cores coming ? Also what is the difference between the T series , P series and X1 series in terms of built quality only. I have seen Carbon Fibre vs Magnesium. Do not know which is better.
Tiger lake H series (upto 8 core) is not announced yet. Currently the more premium lineup may have more modern designs In 2021.
@@GreenGreenStore Ohk, thanks, but they might skip this year ? Is it possible with the thinkpads
It's not announced yet, so we'll see. 🙂
Build quality depends on machine.... P14s is exactly the same machine as the T14, so no difference. In general, X, T and P are premium laptops, but the bigger, heavier and bulkier laptops obviously are better built than the tiny, thin, lightweight ones.
@@xpusostomos Actually I saw the bill of materials for each series. There is a major difference in built between the 3. Like one is Carbon Fibre one hardened plastic. Other manufactures also make Aluminium. Wanted to know how good is aluminium as compared to these ones
Which one will last up to 10 years?
No idea. You can buy 5 years warranty with ThinkPad. 3 with Apple.
apple will last atleast 6 years if you don’t throw it. mine is 2015 pro only issue is speakers. everything else works perfectly.
@@KrishnaDasPC that's a different category Mac. These will not last that long that is by design...
How about comparing with T490?
Take a guess? 🤭
T14 and you chose Intel to compare?
Didn't have the AMD at the same time.
This laptop only dents if you drop it in the corner. Thats a cool feature, I will just sit in the middle of the room.
Personally not likely to switch to the M1 (due to the macOS) from my P14s Gen 1 (AMD). Just get more done on Windows. Though look forward to the next few generations of Mac products.
Oh man this hurts!
@@GreenGreenStore Exactly. The OS and the snappy experience of Win10 is miles ahead when used with keyboard and mouse. Can't tell the same of MacOS. With touchpad only, It's ok. But the OS still has so many limitations.
nice, i'm planning on buying a p14 gen 2
Oooh. Sounds good.
I love the posh Bri'ish accent, mate.
🤭👍
honestly Me 20 years of using windows and 10 year of THinkpad using. last year i switch to MAC due to Windows behavior update feature and sucking thinkpad. After many windows f...update and THinkpad auto firmware update they brick my trackpoint and trackpad putton so i realize both lenovo and microsoft abandoned their customer and can not fix the problem they make (also many victims using thinkpad especially T and X series ) they not even test their firmware update (especially lenovo) i am frustrated for pay alot of money to high end device and got what they done to me. These day Microsfot and Lenovo is partner in crime when they want to sell more new laptop and tried to flash bad firmware and brick you lap. Do not go with lenovo and microsft if you wnat to invest for 4-5 year later with expensive product .
Maybe you'll switch back in time. 😃
funny, well researched just speak a little louder and be comfortable very nice vid tho GG
Just switch up the volume. 🤣
@@GreenGreenStore lol
Thanks for the warm comment 😀our next audio upgrade isn’t due for a while but should be worth it.
@@GreenGreenStore i just appreciate good content. keep up the work ATB
This is killing me inside. I have the amd version (Ryzen 7 pro 7850u) something like that. And am thinking about the MacBook Air
Only thing holding me back is the keyboard on the air.
The MacBook Air is $100 Cheaper till Dec 24th ($799)
My thinkpad came with a gap (screen and bezel) on the right side and the right bottom corner is popped out a bit, making a sticky noise when touching it.
So do I return this laptop and get a refund? And buy the mac
Or should I replace the thinkpad and let the Mac Sale go by.
I really like the screen on the Mac and plan to make TH-cam videos, but it’s just that keyboard holding me back
The t 14 keyboard is amazing, way better than I thought it was be but the defects are killing me. I love the feel to it but somehow it attracts a lot of fingerprints and oils.
What do you think?
If I was to get the Mac, I plan on selling it in a year and a half and upgrade then. (Should be able to sell it for a good deal compared to what I would buy it for $799)
More of your individual decision. 😉🙂
The build quality will always be better on the Macs. BUT they can brake unexpectedly easily! (see Rossmann's channel or experiences of mac owners) Repair or more like data recovery is practically already impossible with the M1-line. They will just give you a new one IF you have paid for Apple Care Plus. Longevity is not the best with the latest Macs that's for sure. Resale value is high though, so you can still get rid of it later if you change your mind. A Lenovo will be way harder to sell, even for half the price only 1 year after.
Home of ThinkPad
👍🙂
Thinkpad with Linux would be a really great *nix device
🙂👍
Intel and to a slightly lesser degree AMD are pretty embarrassing when put up against the M1. Apple does have the advantage of having all their own software running on their own hardware, but the fact a lower power part running without a fan stills stays cooler than the intel chip while outperforming it in many tasks is just insane. A cool, silent laptop is what a Thinkpad should be considering how large the case is, but Lenovo suck and I think I'm finally sick of Thinkpads. Lenovo should stop milking loyal users and spend more money on R&D to make better hardware like Apple. I'd use a Mac if I didn't need Windows for work, although I'm also a bit put off by everything being soldered, locked down and when there is a problem having to go to an Apple store to maybe get it fixed, but probably told it's going to be $900 and you might as well buy a new one.
You are only talking built-in or native apps. There are so many stuff unoptimized and not natively supported, think big applications. Running under Rosetta layer requires 2-3x more battery, and way more CPU usage. It's nice to see the theoretical and rarely seen uplifts but the real world experience is with many different types of apps. I myself have an M1 Air and it is wonderful, but I am never in life getting more than 6-7 hours of battery life and it is brand new machine. Why? Cause I actually do some stuff other than browsing and wathing youtube in Safari only.
This guy is like an Asian Elon Musk.
m1
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macbook air is dead , macbook air body big like macbook pro but low spec