Granted, there is a logical flaw in Jeremy's argument here (ramble time). He wants every part of the movie to work like a part in the machine, which means there's no room for the heroes to fail. The point is to show that the heroes failed. I mean, going by that logic, what was the point of anyone other than Luke being on Bespin? It's only in TESB to resolve the plotline of the Falcon breaking down (which only exists to throw Han and Leia into one situation after the other and eventually have them reunite with Luke on Bespin). The cliffhanger of Han being frozen in carbonite is solved right at the start of Return of the Jedi-- and in fact throws off the pacing of that film. In fact, why even have Luke go there, instead of having Darth Vader ambush him on Dagobah and impart that revelation there? The whole matter of Luke losing his hand is resolved by the end of the movie (he gets a robotic one and it doesn't affect him in any way.) And the crucial piece of Canto Bight is that the heroes fail BY being proactive and doing the traditional hero things. This is unlike the Jedi "failing," which is really Sidious succeeding in his long plan. It's also unlike Luke "failing" to best Vader on Cloud City. The failure of Finn and Rose's plan results from a couple of instances of failure in judgment. It adds realism to the story and lets the heroes be real people who make mistakes like us. But this isn't something we've really seen much of in Star Wars, and for so much of the movie to be about simple errors in judgment and dealing with the consequences (Poe, Luke, Finn/Rose, Rey) IS the bold new move critics are raving about. That said, it's PERFECTLY OKAY NOT TO LIKE THE CANTO BIGHT SEQUENCE. Seriously. But I think it's important to acknowledge that this dislike stems from a matter of taste, not some objective, inherent narrative failing. If you understand the purpose of the Canto Bight sequence (which I don't think Jeremy totally does, judging from how he's worded his arguments), and you still don't like it because you felt the use of the fathiers was too heavy-handed, or you don't like the tics Benicio del Toro gave his character, or you didn't like the BB-8 slapstick, there's nothing wrong with that.
Trey Weller you can't point out flaws in his arguments then ignore how he brought up the theme of failure throughout all the other movies. You're chopping a piece of his argument apart to completely invalidate him
I know, I know, it was a lot of text to read, but I DID address how the failure on Canto Bight is different from the failures Jeremy referenced. Those failures were mainly reactive failures (caused by the heroes not being strong enough to see what they were doing or by the villain already having a plan in place about which the heroes were not aware). The failures in TLJ are proactive failures, in that they were failures of judgment. I'm in no way invalidating him disliking the sequence as a whole (the way it was executed is such that it won't please everybody). I was just pointing out why that SPECIFIC argument doesn't really work.
Jeremy..take a bow man...seriously. You have given one of the most honest reviews on this movie and had the courage both to doubt yourself and see it again and to stand by your feelings despite the largely positive buzz from your peers. Kudos
I was referring to Jeremy and what he says at a certain point in the video. And I address the comment to Jeremy...so the comment has nothing to do with you
Future writers and directors, take note of what Jeremy said, just because it's unexpected, whatever it is in your work, it dosnt mean it's always good. Also, thank you so much Jeremy for another Tales From the Comment Section.
Contevent I just hope to God and everyone and everything good and holy that Snoke will come back in Episode 9, somehow, someway, and we can get some backstory on him, whether he's someone new or a character we already know, a lot of us want some God damn answers.
Adam Bozek Where does Sidious come from? Where did Maul? How and why did Dooku came to be? What about Boba Fett before the prequels, what about that slug Jabba? Using only the movies, we know next to nothing of their backstory and we were fine with that.
I completely agree with Jeremy. The movie was enjoyable, but unfulfilling in terms paying off or expanding on things that came before it. I have no idea how this script got approved. Can you imagine a major Avenger being killed off in an underwhelming way before Infinity War?! Feige would never let that happen. Im not sure what the bosses over at Lucasfilm/Disney were thinking. They treated this as a new, standalone property.
I disagree with everything he said... and yet it didn't anger me... what is this state of mind? Could this be called... respecting someone else's opinions?
Impossible, there is only two modes. Worshipping him or burning everything to the ground. Ho, sounds like the message of TLJ, that there is a third option.
Green Samurai ...epic brother! Spot on! The Last Jedi is a disrespectful movie from a rookie Director Ryan or Rian Johnson or whatever the name is J.J our last hope is in you! you DO know AND respect StarWars a lot more Ryan or Rian Johnson ...very smart move dude, you had the chance of a lifetime of being remembered for a great SW movie (Making Snoke angrier! meaner and ready for a confrontation in Ep9, making Phasma stronger, Showing a strongest ever on screen Jedi, in Luke, KyloRen recruiting the Knights of Ren, etc...) ...and you blew it!, Now you are just gonna be remembered as the rookie director who made 60% of the fan base bored with you & your movie, and the amount dumb jokes in that movie. ...way to go down in history!
@Dan Skywalker "J.J we trust in you!" I don't necessarily trust J.J. Just nothing left in me cares at all about another Star Wars movie. I don't feel like I need to see another one (in theiters or out) ever again.
Dan Skywalker lol the last jedi is "non creative" yet you trust in j.j? I like the force awakens a lot, but to say that you trust in j.j and criticize the creativeness of tlj is laughable. Episode 7, which like I said I love, is effectively a remake of episode 4. Criticisms of episode 8 aside, no one can claim that it's like any other star wars movie, it's the most creatively unique star wars movie we've had in the whole franchise. It seems most people that don't like tlj are mad that their fan theories didn't play out.
@Erik Anderson "It seems most people that don't like tlj are mad that their fan theories didn't play out." I didn't have any fan theories. It was an amazingly good-looking movie. There were several scenes that I would like as a background for my PC. But the story was just a B-movie script at best. Everything that was good had something bad to counteract it. The best I can say is TLJ is just OK. Why do bombs fall in space? Why do you need to ark cannon blasts in space? Why was the only way Leah had to show she had force abilities was to fly like Superman? Visuals were great, the script was bad, just like a Transformers movie. And I don't care about any of the Transformers movies. If you like TLJ and Transformers that's fine. I just don't care about them anymore.
Jeremy I'm amazed no one else got the point of Canto Bight. The purpose of the casino planet wasn't for Finn & Rose, but for BB-8. BB-8 got to: make bank as a slot machine, tie up guards, assist in a theft of a spaceship, and lay waste to the First Order in a AT-ST.
People just dont get it. How exactly do people expect BB-8 to drive a AT-ST if he didnt download the manual on a planet where the AT-R-US salesmen were taking their vacation? It was necessary storytelling for the movies biggest action scene!
"It's stupid fucking writing. Hold it to a standard." Thank you Jeremy, well said. That's what I've been saying to everyone who wants to defend everything in this movie
More like you're grasping at straws to pretend there are problems that don't exist (not saying there are not problems, but chances are yours are stupid if you're saying shit like this)
He's arguing against a strawman misrepresentation of the other side of the argument. You're just so desperate to believe its a valid argument he's making that you tell yourself otherwise.
Dude! Jeremy! I'll admit I missed your spoiler review after your second viewing (I'll watch it now), but I had a feeling from your initial review that you felt somewhat how I felt when leaving the movie theater. And that second reviewing was required because you questioned whether or not you missed something that had everyone else saying this was an amazing Star Wars film. I salute you for having the balls to be honest and keep it real with your viewers. Sadly, many of your colleagues have given this film a pass on the many things that, were this not a Star Wars/Disney film, they would have ripped the directors, screenwriters & movie studio to pieces for allowing to be included in any other film. The things they're accepting in The Last Jedi are the very things they point out in other movies and say, "this is bad writing; this is a bad plot point; this is horrible execution." So thank you for keeping it real. My respect for you just jumped up two more notches on my...respect-o-meter thingie.
You're giving him respect because you agree with him and are stupid enough to pretend your opinion has some objectivity to it by trying to throw labels like "bad writing"? That sounds more like you just want someone to agree with you
LX bad writing isn't a label. It's a fact. I don't need someone to agree with me. There are literally tens of thousands of people who share a similar opinion about this film. Was it entertaining? Yes. We're the visuals stunning? Yes. Was the story crafted well. No. It has nothing to do with having an objective opinion. Facts are facts. An example would be a point being made in TFA that Finn cannot fly. First he needs Poe to pilot him away from the First Order. Then he needs Rey to pilot him off Jakku. Now, in TLJ he wakes up from a coma suddenly knows how to be a pilot. No explanation. He can just miraculously do it now. That's bad writing. Another example would be Luke ending up on a planet in the outer reaches of the galaxy. It's established in 6 previous films that you need an astro mech droid to successfully navigate hyperspace. But R2 arrives on the planet with Rey. And there is no other astro mech droids on the planet. So how did Luke get there? Again, that's just bad writing. And the list goes on and on. There's nothing objective about any of that. Those are just facts. This could have been an amazing film. I hoped it would be. I even tempered my expectations, thanks to Mark Hamill's nearly 4 dozen warnings he gave in interviews about this film. It just wasn't written well. If this were any other movie outside of this franchise, it would get shredded in reviews, and I'm sure "bad writing" would be one of the numerous criticisms. But hey, maybe my assessment is too... objective...
lol, there we go. You want to pretend your opinions are facts, so you give it labels like that. Thanks. Literally every single one of your complaints is so contrived and full of bullshit. Finn can't "fly"? He never says that. He doesn't know how to fly a Tie fighter. He especially doesn't trust himself to be good enough to desert without being kill. So, you're lying to serve your agenda. Another one. You need an astromech droid? No, you just need to not hit anything on your way there. Given Luke clearly went out of his way to exile himself, he'd take away any hope of leaving. Bringing an astromech droid would be the last of that And on and on... You are objectively wrong, and you desperately want to believe they're facts since you feel strongly about the lies you tell yourself.
LX you're right. Finn never says he can't fly. He only says, "I need a pilot." Not "I need a pilot who can fly a tie fighter." Because what are the chances that Poe, an X-Wing pilot, would know how to fly a tie fighter? So ok. He might be a pilot, just not a tie fighter pilot...or a pilot of any of the other ships that were on Jakku when he and Rey we're being chased. I see your point. And Han Solo's big spiel in ANH about needing such precise calculations to navigate hyperspace so you don't run into a star or anything, something the Falcon's on board computer was programmed to do, and something astro mech droids were in part designed to do...is not something they're needed for...because...I guess Luke stayed awake during the entire journey? And manually steered his X-Wing out of the way of planets, asteroids, and other objects...in hyperspace...going how many times faster than the speed of light...because...Jedi reflexes?!? Ok, I see your point. There's something they taught my class the first week in film school. It's kinda a cardinal rule of writing a screenplay: show, don't tell. TLJ does neither. With TLJ having been marketed as a continuation to what transpired in TFA, & allusions to certain questions raised in that film being answered in this film, it didn't deliver, in part by design. Rian Johnson is now doing interviews explaining the reasons why things happened the way they did in the film. Not character motivations or conceptual ideas, but actually explaining why certain things happened. Because he didn't show the how & why in the film. He's now telling because he didn't show. That, again, points to bad writing. You calling it a label doesn't make it any less true. If you'd like to call it something else that has a similar meaning, by all means do so.
You're right. Although I'm pretty sure, considering how he had just been demoted for fighting instead of retreating, even at the cost of their fleet, that announcing him they were planning to hide and bunker up would've made things worse. After all, he flipped out when he realized they were planning to flee. I can understand Poe, but Holdo was right to doubt him.
Contevent I disagree, the moment leia told poe the whole plan he was alright with it. Holdo communicated with nobody what was going on other than that they were leaving
cjua2803 I'm at peace with the idea that Holdo did screw up, but what I'm saying is that her attitude is justifyable, especially since she only knows Poe from reputation.
Contevent her attitude is justifiable to poe but not to everyone else. Nobody else was in on her plan. Easiest way to circumvented that was to say there may be a mole but that was never addressed
I personally watched it twice and it bothered me the same way both times. I liked maybe 2 scenes out of that movie a lot and the rest was kinda meh. Just an opinion don’t hate.
Charity Jewel curious, did you like the scene between kylo and luke on crait with luke saying (paraphrasing) "Everything you just said Is wrong. The war has just begun. The resistance will live on. AND I WILL NOT BE THE LAST JEDI (cue music)... Watched it again last night and that scene really hits me... I understand why some people don't like the film I really do... but I feel like that snippet of the scene is perfection
Exactly how I feel, honestly the only scenes I really liked were Hondo’s sacrifice, Luke’s force projection and the final battle... the design of the speeders with the little hook lifting the red salt behind them... that was epic. It also makes a hella good Star Wars Battlefront 2 map.
Weird how jj was the executive producer. You'd think he'd of said something if he didn't want snoke to die/Reys parents to be nobody. If he really didn't agree with it, why didn't he step in?
Rom Someone will get the "executive producer" credit if he/she created one or more of the characters in he film, in his case J.J created most of them. He had nothing to do with the story in his film outside of being able to read the script early. He could not have stepped in even if he wanted to.
Ed Chambers That's not what an executive producer is at all. George Lucas didn't get an Executive Producer credit for Last Jedi and he created the entire universe its set in. An Executive Producer is generally someone who puts money towards the movie and as a result, often has a say over the creative direction. Whether or not they choose to exercise this right to change anything varies from situation to situation but J.J. would've definitely stayed in the loop with this movie and had the chance to talk to Rian Johnson about the script.
Because that's exactly where JJ was going. Rey's parents were always nobodies, we could have inferred this in TFA, it gave us everything we needed to know, people just chose not to except that. This movie didn't trash what JJ created, it elaborated on it.
Rom I mean Christopher Nolan was a executive producer on man of steel and he said they shouldn’t kill Zod. And they didn’t listen . Maybe JJ tried ? Maybe they didn’t listen? Idk just some cRaZY tHiNkInG I guess
Jeremy Jahns! Why does it seem like Jedi training isn't a thing anymore? Rey is told 2 lessons, the concept of the force, why the Jedi must end and that's it. I don't know how Rey got her Lightsaber Moves she used against the Red Guards who trained all their lives to protect the emperor if Luke never taught her. Rey knows mind trick somehow, Knows how to shield her mind from kylo, Knows how to read minds, knows force pull and can lift boulders without training? Luke had to get rid of the barriers in his mind to lift the X-wing but he failed, Rey can do it first try even though a week ago she didn't even know what the force was? this isn't exclusive to Rey that Slave kid force pulled a broom, does just sharing stories about how cool Luke Skywalker is make you Jedi? Why aren't there billions of Jedi in every star wars movie if the training is no longer a prerequisite to being a Jedi?
Omfg, thank you for addressing the "unexpected" argument people are using to defend the bad decisions in this movie. I was having this exact discussion with a friend and said the exact same thing, unexpected doesn't necessarily mean good. It was like they sat down and said... ok, these characters, what can we do with them? And someone said... hey, let's make them do the most boring/uninteresting/out of character thing they could do, because nobody will expect that. And this to me sounds like the exact same corporate BS that Disney would pull. Where they crunch some numbers and make decisions based on those, without any kind of context. Like - according to our research, a lot of people complained that the light-saber duels in the prequels were unnecessarily flashy. So what we will do is make the new duels kind of clumsy, we'll make Kylo Ren, who is buffed AF btw, swing his laser sword like it weights 40 kilos, when it has been already established that the hilt is the only weight. Again, what I've said every time. It looks like this movie was built off of an excel spreadsheet, ticking out boxes. Asian, check. A randomly forced female character (to amazingly take the place of an already strong likable female character), check. Unexpected decisions for the sake of having unexpected, check. Vaguely and ostentatiously touching on some themes that are new to Star Wars just for the sake of pretentiousness, without doing anything real with those themes, check.
Thank You! I felt the same way walking out of the theater myself. Mostly, I was very confused. Like the casino planet and everything else Jeremy pointed out.
“Star Wars fans who complained that The Force Awakens was too safe, can’t complain now because this one took risks.” What risks? Being stupid in order to justify being even more stupid while throwing in three cool scenes isn’t risky. And they ripped of The Empire Strikes back and return of the Jedi this time. They had the battle of Hoth, and the death of the emperor. There were no “risks” in this film.
It's not risky because of the things that happen. It's risky because of its TIMING. Yes, it echoes a handful of plot beats from Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back. But who would have predicted Snoke to die in the SECOND of THREE movies? Literally nobody expected that, and it was risky to put so many fan theories down for the sake of developing Kylo Ren further, when everyone thought Snoke would be the ultimate baddie.
I like how you made sure to 'verify' your opinion after you felt weird about the movie, and didn't let your friends (cough Collider cough) influence you. It's kinda mind-blowing to see one of the main reviewers actually mention the genuine flaws a lot of people had issues with. A huge majority of your peers make it sound like this is a masterpiece with barely any flaws that don't even matter.
Have you noticed the folks at Collider have made like 1 TLJ video since their spoiler review. (As of today 12/29 they have made 37 non-TLJ videos.) When TFA came out they had a ton of videos. They haven't been talking about TLJ because they don't want the backlash and people calling them out in comment section. Also the one video they did do was about Mark Hamil addressing the backlash over Luke. Like they're trying to play crowd control by doing a video on the man himself Luke walking back his criticisms.
kenne210 Oh yeah. I lost some respect for these people, not because they don't agree with my opinion but because they made themselves look like shills. I don't buy that the movie is a 9 out of 10 for Ken and Kristian. No way. At that level of knowledge and love for Star Wars, there is no way they can see it as near perfect movie. Their expectations regarding Luke and Snoke (for example) were just as through the roof as anyone else's. What they got can't be a satisfactory end. Also Mark Ellis just bashing fans for having expectations and for speculating... So much hypocrisy and disrespect. Plus they are all movie critics so how on earth don't they see the general flaws that have nothing to do with the movie being part of the SW franchise? A useless story arc is a useless story arc, wasted characters are wasted characters, plot holes are plot holes, no matter the movie.
Yeah I don't understand how people missed the Luke dying from the strain of force projection. It was even hitmed at moments before that when Rey and kylo connect for the first time when Kylo says "You can't maintain that the strain alone would kill you....no...this is something else" he was referring to force projection and clearly said that the strain to make it would kill someone
Hey, man, get long winded. That was awesome. I was so afraid you were going to fanboy out because Star Wars. I'm glad to see you took an objective view of it, and really analyzed it as a movie and a Star Wars movie. I happen to agree with you, as I do the majority of the time, and maybe that's why I appreciate your reviews as much as I do, but hey. Love ya, bud!
Not really, if you listen to him or anyone talking about this film. We don't like it because it's a bad film. It wasted our time with plots that went nowhere, hanging points from the last movie that went nowhere, a disappointing end to Luke fucking Skywalker, and a tone that was all over the place.
+Charles Owens why do you insist its a bad movie?.... its not, its coherent in plot, in characters and dialogue is great and its what moves plot forward.... if you dont like direction, great you dont like the movie, no problem... but insisting its a bad movie is somewhat taking it too far... saying that every critic who gave it positive review is stupid even though its their job to spot faults is arrogant btw... ending to Luke was one of the most incredibly satisfying moment in my life... growing up with Luke since i was child and leaving like this was to me perfect... really have no idea why you didnt like it, it had everything
I don't want to start a fight here, man. I don't know you, so I'd like to think I'm pretty cool with you. I'll have a discussion about what you've said, but I'm not trying to piss you off, bud. It is coherent, you're not wrong. A movie can be coherent and bad, though, in my mind. I would disagree that the dialogue was great, but that's just my opinion, man. Here's the basics of what a bad movie is in my mind: a movie I didn't like. That's it. You established that me not liking it isn't a big deal, and that's all I'm personally saying when I say that it is a bad movie. That's okay, right? I'm not saying every critic who gave it positive reviews is stupid, and I don't think that's what Jeremy is trying to say, but I don't know. I'm not him, so take it for what it's worth. I think if anyone enjoyed the movie, that's awesome. Movies are fun, and if you had fun, then good! Some people like me didn't have fun, and that's okay for us to not have fun, too. We just wont watch it again. I've seen it three times, for cryin' out loud hahaha! I'm not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but I'll talk to you about the reasons that I didn't like it, calmly and rationally all day long if you want to have a conversation. I'm not trying to change your mind, though, and my mind probably won't be changed either. We can disagree. I grew up with Luke too, man. Here's what my problem was with his death. He died alone, on an island, not in a battle or in any sort of confrontation, and for seemingly no reason, in my mind. I can see the poetry of him saying he came to that island to die, and him dying there, but that alone isn't satisfying to me, personally. This is Luke Fucking Skywalker. Think about it like this, if Kylo hadn't gone after him and had just kept going after the Rebels, caught them, and killed them, Luke would have died anyway, because he used the last of his Force/life (i suppose?) to project himself there. That's what killed him. That sucks! If he had let Kylo take him down, or had actually tried to stop Kylo and had lost, that would have done so much more for the plot. If he lets Kylo strike him down, we know how that goes, and it's awesome. Maybe next movie we can see Luke's force ghost trying to turn Kylo back, and that'd be sick! It could still happen, but it wouldn't feel as impactful as having seen Kylo kill Luke, and Luke returning to him to turn him because he cares for him so much. If Luke died fighting Kylo, Kylo is now a million times scarier in the eyes of the viewer. Kylo has never won a fair fight on his own on the screen against another person who uses the force, so to see him take down Luke? Man... That'd be intimidating! Now, we'd want to see him face off against Rey, because he might be able to take her, actually! What we got instead was Kylo fighting a hologram so the Rebels could run, and then Luke died on a rock, alone, because he used the Force too much. At least, that's how it felt to me.
thanks for civil discussion.... its just that we all dont get it... i dont get how can you not like the movie and you dont get how i can like it so much.... this movie man.... how can it be is beyond me.... please read below Luke death... it was illustrated that his death was inspiration that Resistance needed the most... "you want me to face the whole FO alone?" and then he realized its not about actually fighting and he stood against whole first order alone just so they can escape brought tears to my eyes... it had sooooo much meaning... and it was shown perfectly with that little scene with kids talking about great Luke Skywalker standing alone against an army!!!.... i was in awe, i was literally in tears how good it was!!!!... i really believe that him fighting actuall duel would mean a lot less for the story... this is the building block for episode 9... i get your point but i think this serves the story more
"I just feel like these unexpected actions that happen are passing the movie off as some brilliant, great movie. Unexpected doesn't mean good." "At the end you could have Snoke beat Kylo Ren to death with a box of dildos; it would be unexpected, but wouldn't make it good." Spot, fucking, on.
Love the video. Just a note on the lightspeed thing; during lightspeed, the ship is not tangible. Solo commenting on asteroids/planets is in reference to when they exit light speed. It was still a very cool visual shot. It just didn't really make sense in Star Wars.
There is a bigger problem: Hyperspace ramming points out the sheer power of FTL devices in science fiction. Astrophysics states that a hyperdrive has more destructive power than a friggin super nova, but we ignore this and suspend our disbelief because the hyperdrive is just a black box contrivance to travel in space. The hyperspace ram brings the power of the hyperdrive front and center and how it makes EVERY WEAPON SYSTEM IN STAR WARS AND ALL SCIFI completely POINTLESS . so, try willingly suspend disbelief with that elephant in the room....
Nah Ben's lightsaber in the flashbacks isn't Anakin's. It's the exact same design as his current hilt as Kylo Ren, except much cleaner and without the vents (those are needed due to the unstable crystal, but as a Jedi the crystal wasn't cracked so no vents).
Siile To further this comment, from the art book Kylos jedi lightsaber is the same as his sith lightsaber just with added vents due to his cracked kyber crystal
Thank you Jeremy Jahns !! For being able to politely and logically explain why some of us fans are disappointed with this film. And Luke.... oh Luke...... what have they done....? :(
I agree with everything you said... My negative opinions were more solidified upon second watch. Everyone keeps saying this film is as good as ESB and people are hating it the same way ESB was criticized when it released but I'm thinking it's going to go more a phantom menace route...it's not as bad as the prequels but it failed to live up to it's potential big time. I think this film will not age well...
Actually, anyone that was alive when ESB came out will attest that it was a fairly universally loved movie from day one. I am not sure where these people are getting their info from about it being criticized in the 80's. Go ask John Schnepp, he will tell you.
Jareth Cruz did you watch the this video ??? Jeremy sums it up unexpected isn’t good and that’s kind of the only good thing about the last Jedi. They wasted so much potential and great back story it would be like The Godfather im the first movie slipping on a banana and dying it would be unexpected but not good. It just wasn’t what it could and should have been. That’s not being a fanboy it’s being honest and real about it i gave it in my book as a star wars movie 3-10 as a si-fi movie 5-10
I have to say I disagree with the idea of this movie being the only movie "isolated" or "separate" from the rest of the Star Wars movies. I mean, imagine Empire Strikes Back on its own. Without the original Star Wars and without Return of the Jedi. It doesn't really stand on its own. That movie needs Return of the Jedi in order to have resolution, and it needs Star Wars in order to have a beginning. Empire Strikes Back does little more than create more doubts (Is Darth Vader reallly Luke's father? Is Han dead? Why is Lando in the Falcon if he's a traitor?) and once you see Return of the Jedi you get a resolution to some of these questions (and some you just don't get, like Boba Fett being killed). I'm just saying, my father told me he hated Empire Strikes Back when he saw it on the movie teather, and that lots of people were areguing about it until the last movie came out. I believe we are finding ourselves in a really similar situation, but now we have internet.
Empire pissed a lot of people off. I was around when it happened and I remember many heated arguments among my friends (and myself) about whether Vader was a liar or not. If the internet was around it would have been a shit storm. Like now. lol
x117killer Jeremy said this movie was isolated, you disagreed, and countered with Empire, which was thoroughly tied to both the previous and following films. That's the opposite of isolated, so Jeremy is correct. And you're right that Empire was controversial, which undercuts the argument that TLJ is so original, bold, and new.
x117killer ok first of all in empire they clearly explain that Han is not dead. They clearly show that Lando was forced to work with Vader. Vader even threatens him in front of everyone. Most of these points are actually answered just by watching the movie. It's actually really different compared to this crap.
Corey Lowe Imagine going to see the movie and then seeing Han Solo turned to carbonite, without knowledge of either the next film or the SW universe. Can that be reverted? is Han Solo not gonna be in the next? Those are all comments I've seen from people who saw it back then. As for Lando, whether he was threatened or not is irrelevant, some people still considered him a traitor. Also, I believe I made it clear that these questions aren't mine; but of what I've read from the people who saw the movie back when it first came out. I never had these doubts while watching the movies, mainly because I could see the cover or RotJ and see Han Solo perfectly fine.
I am just curious how this movie will be received 10 years from now. There was a time where the prequels were "the worst Star Wars movies." Now this movie comes out, and I am starting to see people defend the prequels with confidence. Is this movie still going to be bi-polar in 10 years, or will the consensus just be "Eh, it could have been better."?
I think the "failing is the point" part is more relevant to this movie though since it seems to be the common theme. Yoga talks about learning from failure, Luke is a failed master, the resistance failed to be the spark of hope, and the Finn arc failed too. But if any point needs this much debate and explanation then maybe the movie failed to project its themes. Hopefully they too will learn....
i think it did it perfectly.... the best SW movie with Empire... im telling you, with time this will be regarded as awesome movie that divided fans for being too different....
*"im telling you, with time this will be regarded as awesome movie that divided fans for being too different"* Funny because Lucas said the same thing about EP 1 and its still regarded as garbage. I dislike the last jedi because it is poorly writing garbage.
You don't have to hate this movie, but giving it an A or saying it is the best Star Wars movie? I'm with Jeremy. I must have missed something because I have a hard time giving it a C-.
The most interesting thing about episode nine right now is seeing what JJ does with the broken toys. Does he try to Frankenstein them back together or does he just say fuck it and throw em all in the fire.
I call it already. *Snoke is not dead.* His body is. But the true Snoke, "The Puppet Master" if you will, is still out there. And he's very angry with Kylo.
why do you want him to be alive so bad... maybe he just isnt omnipotent, maybe he is just as callous and overconfident as so many other dark side using sociopaths before him. You can say you just find the character interesting and i will reply that i find him thoroughly boring like a dbz villain "A NEW SUPERBAD OUTTA NOWHERE OMG". Im not just happy he's dead, i hate that he was even alive
I agree, i really can't see all those bold decisions people are talking about either! If it's just that Rian Johnson got rid of the SIth Lord apprentice dynamic, and that's is all you need to be saticefied, then you're holding Star Wars to a very low standard. I prefer a story in my Star Wars movies, and not a 2½ hour chase scene at a snails pace!
“Unexpected doesn’t mean good.” Summed up how I felt. Seems to be unexpected for the sake of being unexpected. Thanks for sticking to your guns, other popular reviewers have done about turns. Was entertained like you but in the end I can’t say I liked it more than TFA or the originals.
Did anyone notice in the casino scene-WAIT! keep reading! The background music was a clever cross between the Tatooine Cantina theme and the Drunken Sailor song.
For me, the Rose and Finn escapade gave the film room to breathe instead of rushing from action scene to action scene, and it shows grassroots rebellion
It was just filler. I did not know you could have filler in a movie. Boy was I wrong. Usually a side story adds to the main story in some way. Instead of wasting screen time and accomplishing nothing.
Yeah, you missed the whole point of the casino side quest; That was Rose's backstory, which is the story of the fan insert, chubby, goofy, hero worshipping, and also the boy, girl, boy at the end, and driving home that Rey really is just a Nobody with a gift...JarJar Abrams will screw that up. And yeah DJ was disappointing character, they didnt know what to do with him, he was supposed to be the Lando, bad-to-good character, but BB-8 took his thunder to save Finn-Rose
I agree with everything you said except for Luke’s force projection. The whole point was Luke to distract Kylo and the empire for the rebels escape. That’s why he said the things he said when he technically “wasn’t there”.
I can truly say I respect your view points on movies. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE. I was happy I was not the only one walking away feeling odd about what I just saw.
I think i got something different out of this movie than everyone else who dislikes it (obviously since i actually do like this movie) the force awakens actually set this all up fairly nicely, this wasnt the happy ending universe we were expecting to see after return of the jedi, this is after a lot of time and mistakes have been made which i like, as luke put's it in the movie, just because he's a legend doesnt mean he isnt prone to making mistakes no matter how fleeting of a moment they may be, which goes for all the "legends" in this movie, they're human and make mistakes, there's also a big tone of killing the past, the older characters need to die so the new ones can take their spot a long with the old ideas that have kept the galaxy in this constant cycle of war, the old characters may go out unceremoniously but in a non fairy tail world who ever does get the send off they deserve? but i get it, fans dont want to see the characters they love grow old and ruin the facade of what we thought they would become, you cant progress a story by clinging to the old, let the new characters branch out on their own and learn to stand on their own two feet, rey doesnt need luke to become a great jedi, the resistence doesnt need leia to take out the first order, but most importantly Finn actually deserved a better sub plot than going to prequel bite. (i'll give Jermey that, that part of the movie always undercut what was going on in the rest of the film.)
Arch legnA i totally agree. If people are saying the slow chase was bad by jermeys own logic then the chase of han by star destroyers and him constantly failing to fix his own ship was bad writing. If he is going to compare it to prequels then you have to say plot failures here are plot failures there. the movie was different because it was showing an early phase to the new rebellion one that grew out of a resistance trying to atop them before they came to power. when we get to our heroes in the orginal trilogy they arr already part of a greater rebellion. it feels disjointed because it is a part two. i also think it is jaring because it took place right after force awakens no time change. but as for it threw out everything from force awakens. force awakens was about finding luke, not snoke not reys parents. those where secondary plots we built up. the plot was about finding luke this was about who luke is and the third movie will.most likely be his legacy
So in case you plan a Part 3 I'd love to know what you think of these: I agree with you talking about the "unexpectedness" that doesn't automatically make a movie great and that in my opinion was way too overhyped by everybody, I went in and expected some real, real unexpected crazy shit but what I got was still unexpected (in a good way) but not like this "Omg this is crazy whaat" type of thing. You're missing a point though because one of the biggest twist in it (that I found to be exceptionally well done and actually unexpected) was that Kylo didn't kill Snoke because he wanted to save Rey, he did that so that he could fully embrace the dark side and become the supreme leader, I thought that either Rey would join him (too bold for Disney tho) or he'd join her (more likely) but no he did it for himself and is still that arrogant angry man he was before, that took me off guard in a good way because I've loved that character since Force Awakens came out and I wanted to see him be the real antagonist of the trilogy, which he now is. Also, the fact that Luke doesn't really want to train Rey and also doesn't really was a twist to me (again, a good twist in my opinion) because that made this "Student goes to planet to find Jedi master to train her" thing a lot more interesting because he teaches her why the Jedi need to end and just shows her what the force really is, he doesn't let her lift rocks and flip around. Then I also disagree with you when you said that the original characters had a proper ending and now are just rehashed and killed off, I see where you're coming from but in my opinion, Han wasn't really that interesting in RotJ. He was still a scoundrel and the cool witty guy that we love. How does he die, murdered by his own son, the responsibility that he failed to give, because he tried to get him back to the good side. I don't know if I'm in the minority but if yes I also don't care but I never really cared that much about him, I always liked him because he was cool and Harrison Ford and I was shocked when he was freezed in carbonite but after that he was just meh to me and Force Awakens made me care so deeply much about him because he was so well written and also killed. Now Luke died, kind of, he Star Wars-died, Johnson clearly said in an interview that he met a lot of times with Abrams and they discussed if that'd be alright if they'd kill of Luke because that'd leave a huge lot of possibilities for Abrams to explore with him in the Force ghost state that was hinted on by Yoda. Also, he died similarly because of why Obi-Wan died, he died for a greater cause, a purpose. Yes, he undramatically died because the effort was too much (also just showing that he's human and not a Super-Sayjin) but because of that his sister, his apprentice and their friends, the new rebellion (could've just called them Rebellion 2.0 from the start) could flee and rebuild themselves, I don't see how that was not a great resolution to his character arc after having closed himself off the Force, feeling very negative and ashamed about himself and the Jedi, that he finally accepts that he made a mistake but that he should move on and right it wrong. Seriously, he had no training in what, 10 years and y'all expect him to lift that X-Wing out of the sea (cause it'd logically still work I guess), fly to Crait and swing his lightsaber, flip around and either die by Kylo Ren's lightsaber or some random AT-AT's or flee with the resistance? Instead of having this beautifully made, peaceful and silent death that really ended a great story arc of a farm boy who joined the rebellion, destroyed the Death Star, trained to become a Jedi, turned his father back to the light side, then rebuilt the Jedi order but made a huge mistake by following the flawed Jedi way and losing control, giving up and losing hope but then accepting his failure and do something about it and embracing his status of a legend. I think this arc was perfectly executed (unlike some casino storyline and Holdo's plan etc..) and I love the film overall, I think it's a great Star Wars film, I thinks it's a great film, not perfect of course, but damn good. Liked it the first time, loved it the second time. Anyway, we disagree on some points, we agree on some points, point is it's just a movie and I still love you and your videos with your awesome energy and sense of humour (this one again, fucking hilarious) and will keep enjoying them. Cheers Edit: Fucking shit this is way longer than I intended :D
I'm always wondering whether Kylo had any sliver of redemption in him in the throne room. I feel like, part of him wanted to save Rey, or just have her not dead because she's so powerful and ~understands~ him, when he killed snoke, and their dual wielding battle with the guards was this rush of adrenaline and companionship he felt with Rey. maybe he was ready to run off with her, and start over not good nor evil. However, I think once he saw Snoke's dead body, that temptation of power and absolute reign consumed him, and right then and there he decided he wanted to be the supreme leader, fully rejecting (eh) the light. Buttttt maybe he was just bad all along. These possibilities...something I like to theorize about
Brynn ya Now that you say that it actually makes a huge lot of sense! I mean he was so calm and patient before the battle and (shut up I kind of ship Reylo now) looked like he did care about her a bit, like you said because she's very powerful and understands him. And that look when he looked at Snoke's dead body, some say "Snoke's spirit took over him" which is bullshit, after all that adrenaline he just remembered what his goal of killing that guy was. You're right, that really makes sense!
I will always consider the EU Novels as the canon story after Return of The Jedi even if they are not, as they have better story than these shitty new Star Wars movies and when the people die in the books it hits you harder than in the movies cause they're just killing them off in the movies so these new uninteresting characters can take over. I doubt i'll even go see Episode 9 in cinemas as will alot of fans.
Carnage ur gonna see it in theater you know you will. At least if your me because I️ told myself so many times I️ wasn’t gonna see justice league when it came out but I saw it anyways. Twice! Lol
Joe D You can say 'Sure you won't' all you want kiddo but I have this thing called self control. It's just like how I didn't go see the new Ghostbusters even though I loved the originals and I don't intend to as the trailer made it look trash. The last two star wars movies have been trash sorry I mean episode 7 and 8 so I won't be seeing episode 9 at all.
I agree with basically all the criticisms of this film except for the Luke ones. I found Luke's arc to make sense and bring a big emotional punch with it. I liked how he grew from a naive "pure" young man to a mature, more grounded "flawed" person. I liked the lesson about failure. I loved the force projection, it made sense to his state of mind in this film. Luke Skywalker is the best thing about The Last Jedi.
Crazy Dude I agree with you. People forget that thirty years can really change a person. If this movie took place immediately after episode six, then I would see their point.
What pisses me off most is that Luke is just some old weirdo in the last Jedi and Rey does not have to work to be good at everything she just can pilot ships and control the force like yoda with no training
cjua2803 Luke blew up the Death Star and was really effective in a new hope when had little to no training from obi wan and Rey is not that strong she had trouble lifting rocks at the end of the film
That's true. Luke was also good at blasting stormtroopers, piloting, surviving all the crap they did in New Hope with little to no training AND no one whining about the movie not showing a training montage for how he already knew how to fly an X-Wing or shoot people as just a farm boy. Shooting womprats with a T-16 is not like flying an X-wing but no one gave a crap until Rey did it.
btr003 not really. Stating that he is able to shoot small animals with a small ship shows at least some reasoning to his skill. With rey, I never minded tfa because I thought her character woupd have been expanded upon in tlj but it never was. She still managed to do things without any explanation vs luke who is the son of space jesus. She even hit all the steps of turning to the dark side without any consequences which was completely contradictory to the lore of SW
I think people are so unwilling to accept this movie's flaws because it is so new. If you remember when The Phantom Menace was released, everyone thought it was great for the first few months after its release because it was a new Star Wars movie and people were unwilling to see past their own love for the original trilogy.
Exactly. I liked the The Last Jedi the same as Jeremy did because I thought it was just alright. 99.9% of the time, I'm all for the ''movies are subjective"(and it should be 100%), but when it comes to Star Wars, it's a completely different beast. I remember when The Phantom Menace came out, people were raving about it at first...but after a couple of months, they started to change their mind because they were kind of blinded by their love for the first trilogy. And it's happening again with this one...it's a good movie don't get me wrong(better than The Phantom Menace), but there are a lot of flaws in it and I think some people are really trying to justify every little details because they can't accept them just as that, flaws. I'm sure some really love it for real and that's great! Not saying that they have to agree with criticisms others can make, but I still feel that maybe in couple of months or a year from now, a lot of people will retract their initial thoughts like when others did with The Phantom Menace. Take out the Star Wars name from this movie and call it Valerian and the city of a thousand planets part III and see if people would have the same reactions...I don't think so haha
I'm thinking that removing the notion that this was a middle chapter of a trilogy was a very intentional move, not just by Johnson, but by Kennedy and Disney in general. It seems like, despite any comments to the contrary, what they really want is for the public to (slowly) stop thinking of these as sets of trilogies, and just start thinking of it as the ever-increasing series (with no end in sight) that it's about to become. It's not like they're gonna take a few years off between episode 9 and episode 10 because it's in between supposed trilogies. They won't miss a 2-year beat. With that looming quota, think how much easier it'll be on them not having to coordinate scripts together to tell an on-going over-arching story. Because that's what THEY'RE thinking of. Side note: When somebody types a single word in all caps, it's usually not meant to be interpreted as a single-word-scream. It's just the closest thing we have to italics in a comments section to indicate which word gets the stress. Grammatically incorrect? Sure. But it's all we got.
I disagree. When something is viewed as a chapter in an ongoing narrative then it causes a viewer to feel compelled to watch something they arent necessarily interested in (Twilight. Hunger Games etc). Even if you dont -feel- invested, you are invested. To say they intentionally disrupted a storyline in order to subconsciously break the trilogy pairings sounds silly. TFA was not universally beloved, but people felt more invested than they should because it felt like an over-arcing story. But now in the next chapter then instead of being that bridge it feels like an ending. And, for many many many fans, this feels like an appropriate spot to step off the Star Wars Train.
I didn't say that it was subconscious... or anywhere NEAR a good idea. The comment was not an endorsement of that strategy, but a lament about a horrible idea that will probably kill the series in the long run. I think they were figuring that any and all movies they shit out with the Star Wars logo on them will be automatic mega-hits (for the foreseeable future, anyway), so why make their jobs any harder by worrying about things like scripts that link up in major ways? No, it's a lazy and stupid idea that's going to gut their box office returns much quicker than they could've imagined when they decided on it. That doesn't mean that it wasn't an intentional move. Sometimes studios have REALLY bad ideas like that. In fact, it happens more often than not these days.
MycenaeanGal *Asterisks* _underscores_ and -hyphens- around words, huh? Thank you for explaining that in detail... instead of being obnoxious about it.
I need a Star Wars the force unleashed movie with star killer they really need to show how powerful a Jedi or sith can be and creative with the force for instance stopping tie fighters mid air or even bringing down an entire star destroyer 😱😱😱😱😱😍😍😍 or even if kylo n Rey held hands and stopped a ship with the force il be satisfied enough
I think what people mean when talking about the movie's bold new direction is more in terms of themes than scenes themselves. Yeah there were unexpected scenes, but Rian Johnson took the opportunity to explore the force in new ways. He straight up calls the Jedi Order out and says yeah, they fucked up, they weren't always the heroes they were made out to be. The same can be said about Luke himself. The original trilogy was in many respects a very simple dynamic, Good guys - Rebels, Bad Guys - Empire. This one goes deeper into that and starts to explore the grey area in between. How the force doesnt belong to any one person or group. It brings it back to its roots as this mysterious semi magical presence. And I fucking love that
I thought Ep 9 was too superfluous, the things you say about a new direction i take the oposite way. I thought it was not new grounds but a defensive reiteration of what i already know about the 'gray area' that lacks balls.
I agree. It's nice to see a Star Wars movie that doesn't paint the Jedi as all good when we know at this point they weren't. Infact some of the most dangerous Sith that ever existed started with the light side first.
Honestly, I really appericate and admire the fact that you weren't scared to voice the issues you have with this movie. I've seen more reviewers that had flaws with TLJ, but weren't as out spoken about it, and it's refreshing to see that change!
When I re-watched the movie a second time, something Luke said stood out to me. During the scene with him and Rey starting her first lesson, he says something along the lines, "The force does not belong to the Jedi, and to say if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity." What did you grab from that? Upon hearing it a second time, it seemed to me that he was explaining that the force is an independent entity, but moreover that the Jedi never needed to exist or have to exist for there to be the light. The light would always appear even if it didn't come back as people of the Jedi. That's why since the Jedi and Sith are dying off, new and random people are becoming force sensitive (Rey and the little boy at the end) to be the new (or same continuous) light, or maybe new a darkness😮😮😮. What do you think about that? And thoughts on what happened to Rey's 3rd lesson?
The third lesson was cut off, because the movie was too long and it would only have repeated something we are shown later. It was about the Jedi not taking part of conflict, and how this allowed evil to flourish, how it would only feeds their own legend which wasn't helping anyone. This would have sent Rey in a fit of rage and despair as she screamed that she believed in the Legend of Luke, and that it made her better. We already have the Mercenary and the War profiteers to show that standing on the side line is standing with Evil. So in the end, they just cut the whole thing, Rey having already a lot of angst against Luke with the first two lessons. As for the Force not belonging to the Jedi, I think the same as you. It means that the Jedi are not necessary for the balance of the universe, the universe just balances itself. It also means that it's the "common" people fight against the Dark that it most important, as they are the ones who keeps Evil at bay, not the Jedi. It gives back importance to the non Jedi character. It may also lead to a new way of thinking the Jedi.
exactly other way around.... people who dont like the movie want old SW cliches... i LOVED the new approach to SW.... if you wanted same ol, you left disappointed
Thank you for being a movie reviewer that actually knows what the f*** he/she is actually talking about Jeremy! I'm in general a movie lover & I love Star Wars but this was the most disappointed I've ever been walking out of a movie & yes I too have seen it twice.. I appreciate the passion, or as the DB commentor referenced u to as 'Gen. Hux' like; which you show in all your reviews man! Ur 1 of 3 reviewers I trust to actually have & give unbiased insight and knowledge regarding the craft/art form of which you're critiquing.. May not always agree w/ya but I do at least respect it. Like Bright i thought was quite a good movie LoL. Agree totally w/ur review of TLJ. It's sad the way most of the general public tends to view/think about/process movies. Keep up the good work!
Joshua Parker Hey people are allowed to like a movie just because someone doesn’t share your opinion doesn’t mean they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about
Luke cannot and will not reach this state of isolation , ignorance , and depression in TLJ...He has been a Jedi Master for like 30 years and the event of him and Ben Solo took place just 6 years (as I remember) before TLJ , So it’s safe to say that Luke Skywalker is really strong with the force and a real Jedi Master for sure , and even after this horrible event with Ben , Luke will get himself back together after he heals his wounded spirit ..Like what happened with Obi-wan , but in this case He went to Luke and he is the Jedi who tried to convince the one who could save the galaxy not vice-versa..and saying that this scenario will result in a repetition in the series is totally wrong and a horrible excuse to make Luke that way in TLJ...The other thing I want to address is the fact that Luke “Thought for a second” he can kill Ben Solo because he thinks Ben will bring destruction and death to the galaxy !? What the ?! If Luke was himself in that moment and saw Darkness in Ben , He will immediately try to fix this issue and wipe out the Darkness in him by teaching and at least address this issue with others ! You wanna tell me that the SAME PERSON who saw a little bit Goodness in Darth Vader HIMSELF and refused to kill his father for that little reason and tried to turn him back to the Light and SUCCEEDED will do that to his nephew ?! The dude didn’t even turn to the Dark side in the first place (Ben Solo) !!!! If this issue will be solved SOMEHOW in episode 9 I’m okay with it .. but oh well..What ever happen I will still be a die hard fan for the series and Luke will be my all time favorite in it.
All the new star Wars films suffer the same problem. The people making the film are more interested in Women Empowerment, and diversity, then a good story. The old Star Wars films had Leia and Queen Amidala, who filled those roles perfectly. Lando was awesome. Windo was great (until he got his hand cut off). Men and women had good and bad traits, and full personalities. Despite cringe worthy dialogue in the Prequels, it was much better then the flat, trash they are producing now.
What I got out of the Admiral Holdo and Poe conflict was it was testing Poe. Poe caused a lot of deaths from defying an order. She was testing to see if he learned anything from his mistake. To follow chain of command. Probably a terrible time to test someone though.
The Last Jedi is still in my opinion is still the 3rd best Star wars film tied with episode 6. The top two is obviously episode 4 and episode 5. I think the last Jedi does have some big flaws but then again so did episode 6 but both are still really enjoyable movies. Still the bashing just shows how passionate the fanbase can be but a lot of the fans just sound butthurt more than critiquing the movie.
"You could have Snoke beat Kylo Ren to death with a box of dildos."
Things I wasn't expecting Jeremy to say in this video.
Spartan InTheBo
Spartan InTheBox Well, that's on you to be honest.
Well it was good because it was unexpected
Rule 34
lol. It would have made the movie better if they did that.
"The point is that it's pointless!" And now you understand why postmodernism doesn't do mythologies and fairy tales very well.
Mac F maybe this movie was made for the Chinese market or something...idk...its sad
Granted, there is a logical flaw in Jeremy's argument here (ramble time). He wants every part of the movie to work like a part in the machine, which means there's no room for the heroes to fail. The point is to show that the heroes failed. I mean, going by that logic, what was the point of anyone other than Luke being on Bespin? It's only in TESB to resolve the plotline of the Falcon breaking down (which only exists to throw Han and Leia into one situation after the other and eventually have them reunite with Luke on Bespin). The cliffhanger of Han being frozen in carbonite is solved right at the start of Return of the Jedi-- and in fact throws off the pacing of that film. In fact, why even have Luke go there, instead of having Darth Vader ambush him on Dagobah and impart that revelation there? The whole matter of Luke losing his hand is resolved by the end of the movie (he gets a robotic one and it doesn't affect him in any way.)
And the crucial piece of Canto Bight is that the heroes fail BY being proactive and doing the traditional hero things. This is unlike the Jedi "failing," which is really Sidious succeeding in his long plan. It's also unlike Luke "failing" to best Vader on Cloud City. The failure of Finn and Rose's plan results from a couple of instances of failure in judgment. It adds realism to the story and lets the heroes be real people who make mistakes like us. But this isn't something we've really seen much of in Star Wars, and for so much of the movie to be about simple errors in judgment and dealing with the consequences (Poe, Luke, Finn/Rose, Rey) IS the bold new move critics are raving about.
That said, it's PERFECTLY OKAY NOT TO LIKE THE CANTO BIGHT SEQUENCE. Seriously. But I think it's important to acknowledge that this dislike stems from a matter of taste, not some objective, inherent narrative failing. If you understand the purpose of the Canto Bight sequence (which I don't think Jeremy totally does, judging from how he's worded his arguments), and you still don't like it because you felt the use of the fathiers was too heavy-handed, or you don't like the tics Benicio del Toro gave his character, or you didn't like the BB-8 slapstick, there's nothing wrong with that.
Trey Weller you can't point out flaws in his arguments then ignore how he brought up the theme of failure throughout all the other movies. You're chopping a piece of his argument apart to completely invalidate him
bruh, they failed because they parked illegally....
I know, I know, it was a lot of text to read, but I DID address how the failure on Canto Bight is different from the failures Jeremy referenced. Those failures were mainly reactive failures (caused by the heroes not being strong enough to see what they were doing or by the villain already having a plan in place about which the heroes were not aware). The failures in TLJ are proactive failures, in that they were failures of judgment. I'm in no way invalidating him disliking the sequence as a whole (the way it was executed is such that it won't please everybody). I was just pointing out why that SPECIFIC argument doesn't really work.
Jeremy..take a bow man...seriously. You have given one of the most honest reviews on this movie and had the courage both to doubt yourself and see it again and to stand by your feelings despite the largely positive buzz from your peers. Kudos
so are you saying that if you like this movie you don't have the courage to stand up for your opinion's
salron15 I think hes saying it shows character to stick with his guts and not choosing to conform with those who say the movie as being good
Exactly man
BarsimonR but what happens if I like it
I was referring to Jeremy and what he says at a certain point in the video. And I address the comment to Jeremy...so the comment has nothing to do with you
Jeremy I like this series
Its really good huh, i love it so much
What a nice, simple comment. I very much like it too.
I too like this series
Me too!
Is that Black Nerd in your screenshot ?
"Snoke could've beaten Kylo to death with a box of dildos and that would've been unexpected..."- 10/10 Jeremy
Nathan Jones I’ve also heard “Jar Jar Binks jerking off on the grave of Han Solo’s grave”
Future writers and directors, take note of what Jeremy said, just because it's unexpected, whatever it is in your work, it dosnt mean it's always good. Also, thank you so much Jeremy for another Tales From the Comment Section.
Yeah, and we'll have another Return of the Jedi? With cuddling bears winning against elite troops?
Contevent I just hope to God and everyone and everything good and holy that Snoke will come back in Episode 9, somehow, someway, and we can get some backstory on him, whether he's someone new or a character we already know, a lot of us want some God damn answers.
Adam Bozek Where does Sidious come from? Where did Maul? How and why did Dooku came to be? What about Boba Fett before the prequels, what about that slug Jabba?
Using only the movies, we know next to nothing of their backstory and we were fine with that.
Contevent That's true, but I still hope that's what happens, again, somehow, someway with something.
Adam Bozek Extended universe, as always
I still have one question. *WHO THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN* ?
Rice Fields it's a name of male strip gay club.
Those of Luke's students that went with Kylo i think
Thank you. No one else remembers them😂😂
I don't know about the rest of them, but if Stimpy isn't one of them we FUCKN RIOT!
Me during return of the Jedi “what is the clone wars! I still don’t know!!”
Jeremy, How dare you. If Snoke beat Kylo to death with dildos, I would give the movie a standing ovation.
A swarm of flying dildos hitting him like Rey was with the lightsaber. Not Star Wars Noooooooooooo
Ideas for the inevitable porn parody right here.
I completely agree with Jeremy. The movie was enjoyable, but unfulfilling in terms paying off or expanding on things that came before it. I have no idea how this script got approved. Can you imagine a major Avenger being killed off in an underwhelming way before Infinity War?! Feige would never let that happen. Im not sure what the bosses over at Lucasfilm/Disney were thinking. They treated this as a new, standalone property.
The last time I was this early, Snoke still had an upper body
Coltsrock56 and potential
Hey that's not cool.
Dude, that username....
hmm, does he still have an upper body, or does he still have a lower body? do we measure from the head? or from the feet? it was a pretty central cut.
He's only half a man of what he used to be.
[something seems to be bothering Carth. Maybe you should speak to him and see if you can get him to open up about it]
Carth Onasi Something bothering you?
Yes, what’s on your mind?
Never mind.
You got it.
"Hey stop looking all sorry for yourself, I used to be a dark Jedi and you don't see me being a little bitch about it."
I am *not* going to betray you. I am *not* Saul!
Carth Onasi i haven't join the sith carth
I disagree with everything he said... and yet it didn't anger me... what is this state of mind? Could this be called... respecting someone else's opinions?
Impossible, there is only two modes.
Worshipping him or burning everything to the ground.
Ho, sounds like the message of TLJ, that there is a third option.
Sorry, never heard of it.
Nope the movie was terrible
I don't understand this need to respect other opinions.
NOPE, this movie was great. Your loss.
Jeremy, it's clear you're having fun with these "tales" videos. I'm loving them. Keep it up!
The Last Jedi did one thing that I never expected from a Star Wars movie. It made me not care what happens in the next Star Wars movie.
Green Samurai ...epic brother! Spot on!
The Last Jedi is a disrespectful movie from a rookie Director Ryan or Rian Johnson or whatever the name is
J.J our last hope is in you!
you DO know AND respect StarWars a lot more
Ryan or Rian Johnson ...very smart move dude, you had the chance of a lifetime of being remembered for a great SW movie (Making Snoke angrier! meaner and ready for a confrontation in Ep9, making Phasma stronger, Showing a strongest ever on screen Jedi, in Luke, KyloRen recruiting the Knights of Ren, etc...)
...and you blew it!,
Now you are just gonna be remembered as the rookie director who made 60% of the fan base bored with you & your movie, and the amount dumb jokes in that movie.
...way to go down in history!
@Dan Skywalker "J.J we trust in you!"
I don't necessarily trust J.J. Just nothing left in me cares at all about another Star Wars movie. I don't feel like I need to see another one (in theiters or out) ever again.
Dan Skywalker lol the last jedi is "non creative" yet you trust in j.j? I like the force awakens a lot, but to say that you trust in j.j and criticize the creativeness of tlj is laughable. Episode 7, which like I said I love, is effectively a remake of episode 4. Criticisms of episode 8 aside, no one can claim that it's like any other star wars movie, it's the most creatively unique star wars movie we've had in the whole franchise. It seems most people that don't like tlj are mad that their fan theories didn't play out.
great, dont watch
@Erik Anderson "It seems most people that don't like tlj are mad that their fan theories didn't play out."
I didn't have any fan theories. It was an amazingly good-looking movie. There were several scenes that I would like as a background for my PC. But the story was just a B-movie script at best.
Everything that was good had something bad to counteract it. The best I can say is TLJ is just OK.
Why do bombs fall in space? Why do you need to ark cannon blasts in space? Why was the only way Leah had to show she had force abilities was to fly like Superman?
Visuals were great, the script was bad, just like a Transformers movie. And I don't care about any of the Transformers movies.
If you like TLJ and Transformers that's fine. I just don't care about them anymore.
Jeremy I'm amazed no one else got the point of Canto Bight. The purpose of the casino planet wasn't for Finn & Rose, but for BB-8. BB-8 got to: make bank as a slot machine, tie up guards, assist in a theft of a spaceship, and lay waste to the First Order in a AT-ST.
People just dont get it. How exactly do people expect BB-8 to drive a AT-ST if he didnt download the manual on a planet where the AT-R-US salesmen were taking their vacation? It was necessary storytelling for the movies biggest action scene!
It was as stupid as R2D2 torching those stupid droids on the Grievous ship.
"It's stupid fucking writing. Hold it to a standard." Thank you Jeremy, well said. That's what I've been saying to everyone who wants to defend everything in this movie
More like you're grasping at straws to pretend there are problems that don't exist (not saying there are not problems, but chances are yours are stupid if you're saying shit like this)
LX you known nothing of me or my views on this movie so fuck off
You defended him arguing against a strawman. That says plenty, dumb fuck
LX listen to Jeremy again dumbass that's not a strawman to point out bad writing
He's arguing against a strawman misrepresentation of the other side of the argument. You're just so desperate to believe its a valid argument he's making that you tell yourself otherwise.
Dude! Jeremy! I'll admit I missed your spoiler review after your second viewing (I'll watch it now), but I had a feeling from your initial review that you felt somewhat how I felt when leaving the movie theater. And that second reviewing was required because you questioned whether or not you missed something that had everyone else saying this was an amazing Star Wars film. I salute you for having the balls to be honest and keep it real with your viewers. Sadly, many of your colleagues have given this film a pass on the many things that, were this not a Star Wars/Disney film, they would have ripped the directors, screenwriters & movie studio to pieces for allowing to be included in any other film. The things they're accepting in The Last Jedi are the very things they point out in other movies and say, "this is bad writing; this is a bad plot point; this is horrible execution." So thank you for keeping it real. My respect for you just jumped up two more notches on my...respect-o-meter thingie.
You're giving him respect because you agree with him and are stupid enough to pretend your opinion has some objectivity to it by trying to throw labels like "bad writing"?
That sounds more like you just want someone to agree with you
LX bad writing isn't a label. It's a fact. I don't need someone to agree with me. There are literally tens of thousands of people who share a similar opinion about this film. Was it entertaining? Yes. We're the visuals stunning? Yes. Was the story crafted well. No. It has nothing to do with having an objective opinion. Facts are facts. An example would be a point being made in TFA that Finn cannot fly. First he needs Poe to pilot him away from the First Order. Then he needs Rey to pilot him off Jakku. Now, in TLJ he wakes up from a coma suddenly knows how to be a pilot. No explanation. He can just miraculously do it now. That's bad writing. Another example would be Luke ending up on a planet in the outer reaches of the galaxy. It's established in 6 previous films that you need an astro mech droid to successfully navigate hyperspace. But R2 arrives on the planet with Rey. And there is no other astro mech droids on the planet. So how did Luke get there? Again, that's just bad writing. And the list goes on and on. There's nothing objective about any of that. Those are just facts. This could have been an amazing film. I hoped it would be. I even tempered my expectations, thanks to Mark Hamill's nearly 4 dozen warnings he gave in interviews about this film. It just wasn't written well. If this were any other movie outside of this franchise, it would get shredded in reviews, and I'm sure "bad writing" would be one of the numerous criticisms. But hey, maybe my assessment is too... objective...
lol, there we go. You want to pretend your opinions are facts, so you give it labels like that. Thanks.
Literally every single one of your complaints is so contrived and full of bullshit.
Finn can't "fly"? He never says that. He doesn't know how to fly a Tie fighter. He especially doesn't trust himself to be good enough to desert without being kill. So, you're lying to serve your agenda.
Another one. You need an astromech droid? No, you just need to not hit anything on your way there. Given Luke clearly went out of his way to exile himself, he'd take away any hope of leaving. Bringing an astromech droid would be the last of that
And on and on...
You are objectively wrong, and you desperately want to believe they're facts since you feel strongly about the lies you tell yourself.
LX you're right. Finn never says he can't fly. He only says, "I need a pilot." Not "I need a pilot who can fly a tie fighter." Because what are the chances that Poe, an X-Wing pilot, would know how to fly a tie fighter? So ok. He might be a pilot, just not a tie fighter pilot...or a pilot of any of the other ships that were on Jakku when he and Rey we're being chased. I see your point.
And Han Solo's big spiel in ANH about needing such precise calculations to navigate hyperspace so you don't run into a star or anything, something the Falcon's on board computer was programmed to do, and something astro mech droids were in part designed to do...is not something they're needed for...because...I guess Luke stayed awake during the entire journey? And manually steered his X-Wing out of the way of planets, asteroids, and other objects...in hyperspace...going how many times faster than the speed of light...because...Jedi reflexes?!? Ok, I see your point.
There's something they taught my class the first week in film school. It's kinda a cardinal rule of writing a screenplay: show, don't tell. TLJ does neither. With TLJ having been marketed as a continuation to what transpired in TFA, & allusions to certain questions raised in that film being answered in this film, it didn't deliver, in part by design. Rian Johnson is now doing interviews explaining the reasons why things happened the way they did in the film. Not character motivations or conceptual ideas, but actually explaining why certain things happened. Because he didn't show the how & why in the film. He's now telling because he didn't show. That, again, points to bad writing. You calling it a label doesn't make it any less true. If you'd like to call it something else that has a similar meaning, by all means do so.
Thank You, Maverick! You said it all. I concur with you 100%
Can’t wait for Tales from the Tales from the Comment Section
Cameron Browne 😂 I was thinking the same thing
Can't wait for Tales from comment section that are from the crypt.
"It's like Poetry.. it rhymes!" -George Lucas; Love it.
I had the exact same feelings as Jeremy about the movie
You also argued against strawmen arguments?
Im in the military and yes i agree the purple haired chick would have communicated to their subordinates if she was being a good leader
You're right.
Although I'm pretty sure, considering how he had just been demoted for fighting instead of retreating, even at the cost of their fleet, that announcing him they were planning to hide and bunker up would've made things worse.
After all, he flipped out when he realized they were planning to flee.
I can understand Poe, but Holdo was right to doubt him.
Contevent I disagree, the moment leia told poe the whole plan he was alright with it. Holdo communicated with nobody what was going on other than that they were leaving
cjua2803 I'm at peace with the idea that Holdo did screw up, but what I'm saying is that her attitude is justifyable, especially since she only knows Poe from reputation.
Contevent her attitude is justifiable to poe but not to everyone else. Nobody else was in on her plan. Easiest way to circumvented that was to say there may be a mole but that was never addressed
cjua2803 I know right ?
I feel a whole spy subplot had been cut from the film.
Maybe we'll have answers in a long version
I personally watched it twice and it bothered me the same way both times. I liked maybe 2 scenes out of that movie a lot and the rest was kinda meh. Just an opinion don’t hate.
Charity Jewel curious, did you like the scene between kylo and luke on crait with luke saying (paraphrasing) "Everything you just said Is wrong. The war has just begun. The resistance will live on. AND I WILL NOT BE THE LAST JEDI (cue music)... Watched it again last night and that scene really hits me... I understand why some people don't like the film I really do... but I feel like that snippet of the scene is perfection
TheFlickinCritic yep that was one of them
For me it was just the ren and rey team up that I enjoyed
NeonTime lol and that was the other one
Exactly how I feel, honestly the only scenes I really liked were Hondo’s sacrifice, Luke’s force projection and the final battle... the design of the speeders with the little hook lifting the red salt behind them... that was epic. It also makes a hella good Star Wars Battlefront 2 map.
That flying Leia scene is still stupid.
People laughed
I think that’s right up there with the Martha scene
Badabing Bing what other reaction is there?
MARTHA
It's a shooting star meme now...
Weird how jj was the executive producer. You'd think he'd of said something if he didn't want snoke to die/Reys parents to be nobody. If he really didn't agree with it, why didn't he step in?
Rom Someone will get the "executive producer" credit if he/she created one or more of the characters in he film, in his case J.J created most of them. He had nothing to do with the story in his film outside of being able to read the script early. He could not have stepped in even if he wanted to.
if you think that Abrams didnt know what is going to happen you are dumb.... he did write the story with Johnson... i loved it btw
Ed Chambers That's not what an executive producer is at all. George Lucas didn't get an Executive Producer credit for Last Jedi and he created the entire universe its set in. An Executive Producer is generally someone who puts money towards the movie and as a result, often has a say over the creative direction. Whether or not they choose to exercise this right to change anything varies from situation to situation but J.J. would've definitely stayed in the loop with this movie and had the chance to talk to Rian Johnson about the script.
Because that's exactly where JJ was going. Rey's parents were always nobodies, we could have inferred this in TFA, it gave us everything we needed to know, people just chose not to except that. This movie didn't trash what JJ created, it elaborated on it.
Rom I mean Christopher Nolan was a executive producer on man of steel and he said they shouldn’t kill Zod. And they didn’t listen . Maybe JJ tried ? Maybe they didn’t listen? Idk just some cRaZY tHiNkInG I guess
Last time I was this early Luke was alive.
Well, he died in 2017 and the character had his debut in a 1977 film. You had a lot of time to be early.
Jeremy Jahns! Why does it seem like Jedi training isn't a thing anymore? Rey is told 2 lessons, the concept of the force, why the Jedi must end and that's it. I don't know how Rey got her Lightsaber Moves she used against the Red Guards who trained all their lives to protect the emperor if Luke never taught her. Rey knows mind trick somehow, Knows how to shield her mind from kylo, Knows how to read minds, knows force pull and can lift boulders without training? Luke had to get rid of the barriers in his mind to lift the X-wing but he failed, Rey can do it first try even though a week ago she didn't even know what the force was? this isn't exclusive to Rey that Slave kid force pulled a broom, does just sharing stories about how cool Luke Skywalker is make you Jedi? Why aren't there billions of Jedi in every star wars movie if the training is no longer a prerequisite to being a Jedi?
Everything you just said is completely true
100% agree with you !
The more time passes the more i dislike this movie...
The more time passes the more i like it. Canto bight was bad. I liked everything else
Same here. It's getting stupider the more you think about it. No redeemable qualities at all.
Its the same for me this film really doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Man Jeremy, seeing Asshole Jeremy pop up in the outro window was hilarious :P
Omfg, thank you for addressing the "unexpected" argument people are using to defend the bad decisions in this movie. I was having this exact discussion with a friend and said the exact same thing, unexpected doesn't necessarily mean good. It was like they sat down and said... ok, these characters, what can we do with them? And someone said... hey, let's make them do the most boring/uninteresting/out of character thing they could do, because nobody will expect that.
And this to me sounds like the exact same corporate BS that Disney would pull. Where they crunch some numbers and make decisions based on those, without any kind of context. Like - according to our research, a lot of people complained that the light-saber duels in the prequels were unnecessarily flashy. So what we will do is make the new duels kind of clumsy, we'll make Kylo Ren, who is buffed AF btw, swing his laser sword like it weights 40 kilos, when it has been already established that the hilt is the only weight.
Again, what I've said every time. It looks like this movie was built off of an excel spreadsheet, ticking out boxes. Asian, check. A randomly forced female character (to amazingly take the place of an already strong likable female character), check. Unexpected decisions for the sake of having unexpected, check. Vaguely and ostentatiously touching on some themes that are new to Star Wars just for the sake of pretentiousness, without doing anything real with those themes, check.
Radu Ceausu this is the realist shit I read all day lol
You are objectively wrong. He's arguing against a strawman on the "unexpected" argument
Thank You! I felt the same way walking out of the theater myself. Mostly, I was very confused. Like the casino planet and everything else Jeremy pointed out.
Who else wants to see douchey jeremy review an entire movie?
Bryce Rudge he should review “the room.”
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Bryce Rudge I do.
Meeeeee
He should review pivotal moments in Jeremy's life.
“Star Wars fans who complained that The Force Awakens was too safe, can’t complain now because this one took risks.”
What risks? Being stupid in order to justify being even more stupid while throwing in three cool scenes isn’t risky. And they ripped of The Empire Strikes back and return of the Jedi this time. They had the battle of Hoth, and the death of the emperor. There were no “risks” in this film.
It's not risky because of the things that happen. It's risky because of its TIMING. Yes, it echoes a handful of plot beats from Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back. But who would have predicted Snoke to die in the SECOND of THREE movies? Literally nobody expected that, and it was risky to put so many fan theories down for the sake of developing Kylo Ren further, when everyone thought Snoke would be the ultimate baddie.
I like how you made sure to 'verify' your opinion after you felt weird about the movie, and didn't let your friends (cough Collider cough) influence you. It's kinda mind-blowing to see one of the main reviewers actually mention the genuine flaws a lot of people had issues with. A huge majority of your peers make it sound like this is a masterpiece with barely any flaws that don't even matter.
dflowers30 Watch the Nostalgia Critic review of it.
Have you noticed the folks at Collider have made like 1 TLJ video since their spoiler review. (As of today 12/29 they have made 37 non-TLJ videos.) When TFA came out they had a ton of videos. They haven't been talking about TLJ because they don't want the backlash and people calling them out in comment section. Also the one video they did do was about Mark Hamil addressing the backlash over Luke. Like they're trying to play crowd control by doing a video on the man himself Luke walking back his criticisms.
kenne210 Oh yeah. I lost some respect for these people, not because they don't agree with my opinion but because they made themselves look like shills. I don't buy that the movie is a 9 out of 10 for Ken and Kristian. No way. At that level of knowledge and love for Star Wars, there is no way they can see it as near perfect movie. Their expectations regarding Luke and Snoke (for example) were just as through the roof as anyone else's. What they got can't be a satisfactory end. Also Mark Ellis just bashing fans for having expectations and for speculating... So much hypocrisy and disrespect. Plus they are all movie critics so how on earth don't they see the general flaws that have nothing to do with the movie being part of the SW franchise? A useless story arc is a useless story arc, wasted characters are wasted characters, plot holes are plot holes, no matter the movie.
Your review was right on.
I was disappointed by The Last Jedi.
Abraham Miha I wasnt👍
Abraham Miha i was👎
I wasn't
Thank you. I've found myself surrounded by so many people who love this movie and I was beginning to think I missed something
ClevelandFan17 everyond I talked to didn’t know what to think of the movie or didn‘t enjoy it very much
I love it
Yeah I don't understand how people missed the Luke dying from the strain of force projection. It was even hitmed at moments before that when Rey and kylo connect for the first time when Kylo says "You can't maintain that the strain alone would kill you....no...this is something else" he was referring to force projection and clearly said that the strain to make it would kill someone
EXACTLY //
So why didn't kill snoke.
whoa nice detail! i forgot about Kylo saying that. i heard it but didn't make the connection lol 😂
sonicsnake44
he used a hologram to communicate and only linked Rey and Kylo together. he didnt project his body across the galaxy.
Hey, man, get long winded. That was awesome. I was so afraid you were going to fanboy out because Star Wars. I'm glad to see you took an objective view of it, and really analyzed it as a movie and a Star Wars movie. I happen to agree with you, as I do the majority of the time, and maybe that's why I appreciate your reviews as much as I do, but hey. Love ya, bud!
and thats the problem... it wasnt SW enough for him... he wanted same old same old.... thats why he was disappointed
Not really, if you listen to him or anyone talking about this film. We don't like it because it's a bad film. It wasted our time with plots that went nowhere, hanging points from the last movie that went nowhere, a disappointing end to Luke fucking Skywalker, and a tone that was all over the place.
+Charles Owens why do you insist its a bad movie?.... its not, its coherent in plot, in characters and dialogue is great and its what moves plot forward.... if you dont like direction, great you dont like the movie, no problem... but insisting its a bad movie is somewhat taking it too far... saying that every critic who gave it positive review is stupid even though its their job to spot faults is arrogant
btw... ending to Luke was one of the most incredibly satisfying moment in my life... growing up with Luke since i was child and leaving like this was to me perfect... really have no idea why you didnt like it, it had everything
I don't want to start a fight here, man. I don't know you, so I'd like to think I'm pretty cool with you. I'll have a discussion about what you've said, but I'm not trying to piss you off, bud.
It is coherent, you're not wrong. A movie can be coherent and bad, though, in my mind. I would disagree that the dialogue was great, but that's just my opinion, man.
Here's the basics of what a bad movie is in my mind: a movie I didn't like. That's it. You established that me not liking it isn't a big deal, and that's all I'm personally saying when I say that it is a bad movie. That's okay, right?
I'm not saying every critic who gave it positive reviews is stupid, and I don't think that's what Jeremy is trying to say, but I don't know. I'm not him, so take it for what it's worth. I think if anyone enjoyed the movie, that's awesome. Movies are fun, and if you had fun, then good! Some people like me didn't have fun, and that's okay for us to not have fun, too. We just wont watch it again. I've seen it three times, for cryin' out loud hahaha! I'm not telling you that you shouldn't like it, but I'll talk to you about the reasons that I didn't like it, calmly and rationally all day long if you want to have a conversation. I'm not trying to change your mind, though, and my mind probably won't be changed either. We can disagree.
I grew up with Luke too, man. Here's what my problem was with his death. He died alone, on an island, not in a battle or in any sort of confrontation, and for seemingly no reason, in my mind. I can see the poetry of him saying he came to that island to die, and him dying there, but that alone isn't satisfying to me, personally. This is Luke Fucking Skywalker. Think about it like this, if Kylo hadn't gone after him and had just kept going after the Rebels, caught them, and killed them, Luke would have died anyway, because he used the last of his Force/life (i suppose?) to project himself there. That's what killed him. That sucks! If he had let Kylo take him down, or had actually tried to stop Kylo and had lost, that would have done so much more for the plot. If he lets Kylo strike him down, we know how that goes, and it's awesome. Maybe next movie we can see Luke's force ghost trying to turn Kylo back, and that'd be sick! It could still happen, but it wouldn't feel as impactful as having seen Kylo kill Luke, and Luke returning to him to turn him because he cares for him so much. If Luke died fighting Kylo, Kylo is now a million times scarier in the eyes of the viewer. Kylo has never won a fair fight on his own on the screen against another person who uses the force, so to see him take down Luke? Man... That'd be intimidating! Now, we'd want to see him face off against Rey, because he might be able to take her, actually! What we got instead was Kylo fighting a hologram so the Rebels could run, and then Luke died on a rock, alone, because he used the Force too much. At least, that's how it felt to me.
thanks for civil discussion.... its just that we all dont get it... i dont get how can you not like the movie and you dont get how i can like it so much.... this movie man.... how can it be is beyond me.... please read below
Luke death... it was illustrated that his death was inspiration that Resistance needed the most... "you want me to face the whole FO alone?" and then he realized its not about actually fighting and he stood against whole first order alone just so they can escape brought tears to my eyes... it had sooooo much meaning... and it was shown perfectly with that little scene with kids talking about great Luke Skywalker standing alone against an army!!!.... i was in awe, i was literally in tears how good it was!!!!...
i really believe that him fighting actuall duel would mean a lot less for the story... this is the building block for episode 9... i get your point but i think this serves the story more
So kylo finished what Vader started? Getting abs?
"I just feel like these unexpected actions that happen are passing the movie off as some brilliant, great movie. Unexpected doesn't mean good."
"At the end you could have Snoke beat Kylo Ren to death with a box of dildos; it would be unexpected, but wouldn't make it good."
Spot, fucking, on.
Darth Vader: Cool Sith
Darth Sidious: Evil sith
Maul: Red sith
Snoke: Half sith
Snoke = Darth Hefner (I am quoting, I've no copyright to this one)
Love the video.
Just a note on the lightspeed thing; during lightspeed, the ship is not tangible.
Solo commenting on asteroids/planets is in reference to when they exit light speed.
It was still a very cool visual shot. It just didn't really make sense in Star Wars.
KibethOW
You are correct. That's why in TFA they used it to get thru the star killer base shields!
There is a bigger problem: Hyperspace ramming points out the sheer power of FTL devices in science fiction. Astrophysics states that a hyperdrive has more destructive power than a friggin super nova, but we ignore this and suspend our disbelief because the hyperdrive is just a black box contrivance to travel in space.
The hyperspace ram brings the power of the hyperdrive front and center and how it makes EVERY WEAPON SYSTEM IN STAR WARS AND ALL SCIFI completely POINTLESS .
so, try willingly suspend disbelief with that elephant in the room....
"When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are, anyone can be a Jedi master now".
Nah Ben's lightsaber in the flashbacks isn't Anakin's. It's the exact same design as his current hilt as Kylo Ren, except much cleaner and without the vents (those are needed due to the unstable crystal, but as a Jedi the crystal wasn't cracked so no vents).
Siile To further this comment, from the art book Kylos jedi lightsaber is the same as his sith lightsaber just with added vents due to his cracked kyber crystal
Yes that's what I meant to say haha, thanks
Only reason I understood what you meant by unstable crystals is because of KOTOR.
Man, what a game.
Thank you Jeremy Jahns !! For being able to politely and logically explain why some of us fans are disappointed with this film. And Luke.... oh Luke...... what have they done....? :(
*plot twist*
Snoke is JarJar Binks....
TheZahrGaming 123 or Darth Maul
Wasn't maul finally defeated by Kenobi in rebels?
Evan Heath Can't keep up with what Disney are saying is cannon and what isn't.
Ur mom is Jar Jar Binks
I understand know why I liked the movie so much. It's because I know the Characters and Stories but am not attached to them as others are.
I agree with everything you said... My negative opinions were more solidified upon second watch.
Everyone keeps saying this film is as good as ESB and people are hating it the same way ESB was criticized when it released but I'm thinking it's going to go more a phantom menace route...it's not as bad as the prequels but it failed to live up to it's potential big time.
I think this film will not age well...
Actually, anyone that was alive when ESB came out will attest that it was a fairly universally loved movie from day one. I am not sure where these people are getting their info from about it being criticized in the 80's.
Go ask John Schnepp, he will tell you.
I need all the alcohol for this movie!
I had a couple of drinks before the movie. It didn't help.
Maybe being drunk convinces you that you could ever get a movie
Baldguy86 I need cocaine
Baldguy86 you dont need to..this film is great
Jareth Cruz did you watch the this video ??? Jeremy sums it up unexpected isn’t good and that’s kind of the only good thing about the last Jedi. They wasted so much potential and great back story it would be like The Godfather im the first movie slipping on a banana and dying it would be unexpected but not good. It just wasn’t what it could and should have been. That’s not being a fanboy it’s being honest and real about it i gave it in my book as a star wars movie 3-10 as a si-fi movie 5-10
I have to say I disagree with the idea of this movie being the only movie "isolated" or "separate" from the rest of the Star Wars movies. I mean, imagine Empire Strikes Back on its own. Without the original Star Wars and without Return of the Jedi. It doesn't really stand on its own. That movie needs Return of the Jedi in order to have resolution, and it needs Star Wars in order to have a beginning. Empire Strikes Back does little more than create more doubts (Is Darth Vader reallly Luke's father? Is Han dead? Why is Lando in the Falcon if he's a traitor?) and once you see Return of the Jedi you get a resolution to some of these questions (and some you just don't get, like Boba Fett being killed). I'm just saying, my father told me he hated Empire Strikes Back when he saw it on the movie teather, and that lots of people were areguing about it until the last movie came out. I believe we are finding ourselves in a really similar situation, but now we have internet.
x117killer yep
Empire pissed a lot of people off. I was around when it happened and I remember many heated arguments among my friends (and myself) about whether Vader was a liar or not. If the internet was around it would have been a shit storm. Like now. lol
x117killer Jeremy said this movie was isolated, you disagreed, and countered with Empire, which was thoroughly tied to both the previous and following films. That's the opposite of isolated, so Jeremy is correct. And you're right that Empire was controversial, which undercuts the argument that TLJ is so original, bold, and new.
x117killer ok first of all in empire they clearly explain that Han is not dead. They clearly show that Lando was forced to work with Vader. Vader even threatens him in front of everyone. Most of these points are actually answered just by watching the movie. It's actually really different compared to this crap.
Corey Lowe Imagine going to see the movie and then seeing Han Solo turned to carbonite, without knowledge of either the next film or the SW universe. Can that be reverted? is Han Solo not gonna be in the next? Those are all comments I've seen from people who saw it back then. As for Lando, whether he was threatened or not is irrelevant, some people still considered him a traitor. Also, I believe I made it clear that these questions aren't mine; but of what I've read from the people who saw the movie back when it first came out. I never had these doubts while watching the movies, mainly because I could see the cover or RotJ and see Han Solo perfectly fine.
I am just curious how this movie will be received 10 years from now. There was a time where the prequels were "the worst Star Wars movies." Now this movie comes out, and I am starting to see people defend the prequels with confidence. Is this movie still going to be bi-polar in 10 years, or will the consensus just be "Eh, it could have been better."?
Daniel Silva Time heals all wounds ☺️
Ian M Go to any video trashing this movie, and go to comments. You will find a few.
I think the "failing is the point" part is more relevant to this movie though since it seems to be the common theme. Yoga talks about learning from failure, Luke is a failed master, the resistance failed to be the spark of hope, and the Finn arc failed too. But if any point needs this much debate and explanation then maybe the movie failed to project its themes. Hopefully they too will learn....
i think it did it perfectly.... the best SW movie with Empire... im telling you, with time this will be regarded as awesome movie that divided fans for being too different....
*"im telling you, with time this will be regarded as awesome movie that divided fans for being too different"*
Funny because Lucas said the same thing about EP 1 and its still regarded as garbage. I dislike the last jedi because it is poorly writing garbage.
You don't have to hate this movie, but giving it an A or saying it is the best Star Wars movie? I'm with Jeremy. I must have missed something because I have a hard time giving it a C-.
For a solid sci fi flick. I give it a *B*
for a star wars movie. I give it a *C* as well. It just wasn't a good Star Wars movie.
The most interesting thing about episode nine right now is seeing what JJ does with the broken toys. Does he try to Frankenstein them back together or does he just say fuck it and throw em all in the fire.
I call it already. *Snoke is not dead.* His body is. But the true Snoke, "The Puppet Master" if you will, is still out there. And he's very angry with Kylo.
JJ will probably bring him back for sure, and probably talk about Rey's parents
kyotheman69 i hope not
Denial Alert!
Meh.
why do you want him to be alive so bad... maybe he just isnt omnipotent, maybe he is just as callous and overconfident as so many other dark side using sociopaths before him. You can say you just find the character interesting and i will reply that i find him thoroughly boring like a dbz villain "A NEW SUPERBAD OUTTA NOWHERE OMG". Im not just happy he's dead, i hate that he was even alive
Jeremy is the people's critic
Woody Who?
I feel like this is a really creative change for you. You should keep this type of thing up!
You know I always giggle when I hear "Snoke". It's such a funny sounding name, just like "Tazerface".
Almost everything you said I agreed with and want to give you a therapeutic hug
I agree, i really can't see all those bold decisions people are talking about either! If it's just that Rian Johnson got rid of the SIth Lord apprentice dynamic, and that's is all you need to be saticefied, then you're holding Star Wars to a very low standard. I prefer a story in my Star Wars movies, and not a 2½ hour chase scene at a snails pace!
“Unexpected doesn’t mean good.” Summed up how I felt. Seems to be unexpected for the sake of being unexpected. Thanks for sticking to your guns, other popular reviewers have done about turns. Was entertained like you but in the end I can’t say I liked it more than TFA or the originals.
It's 5 stages of grief not 5 stages of acceptance
Quackmare *shrugs*
Jeremy Jahns omg I think I could die right now, senpai noticed me!!!
Another awesometacular Tales from the Comment Section Episode. Keep it coming Sir.
Did anyone notice in the casino scene-WAIT! keep reading! The background music was a clever cross between the Tatooine Cantina theme and the Drunken Sailor song.
For me, the Rose and Finn escapade gave the film room to breathe instead of rushing from action scene to action scene, and it shows grassroots rebellion
It was just filler. I did not know you could have filler in a movie. Boy was I wrong. Usually a side story adds to the main story in some way. Instead of wasting screen time and accomplishing nothing.
Yeah, you missed the whole point of the casino side quest; That was Rose's backstory, which is the story of the fan insert, chubby, goofy, hero worshipping, and also the boy, girl, boy at the end, and driving home that Rey really is just a Nobody with a gift...JarJar Abrams will screw that up.
And yeah DJ was disappointing character, they didnt know what to do with him, he was supposed to be the Lando, bad-to-good character, but BB-8 took his thunder to save Finn-Rose
lol "saloon"
Jason Keller lol isn't that was it was called? Or was it Cantina?
Keep making these, great series
I agree with everything you said except for Luke’s force projection. The whole point was Luke to distract Kylo and the empire for the rebels escape. That’s why he said the things he said when he technically “wasn’t there”.
I can truly say I respect your view points on movies. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE. I was happy I was not the only one walking away feeling odd about what I just saw.
I think i got something different out of this movie than everyone else who dislikes it (obviously since i actually do like this movie) the force awakens actually set this all up fairly nicely, this wasnt the happy ending universe we were expecting to see after return of the jedi, this is after a lot of time and mistakes have been made which i like, as luke put's it in the movie, just because he's a legend doesnt mean he isnt prone to making mistakes no matter how fleeting of a moment they may be, which goes for all the "legends" in this movie, they're human and make mistakes, there's also a big tone of killing the past, the older characters need to die so the new ones can take their spot a long with the old ideas that have kept the galaxy in this constant cycle of war, the old characters may go out unceremoniously but in a non fairy tail world who ever does get the send off they deserve? but i get it, fans dont want to see the characters they love grow old and ruin the facade of what we thought they would become, you cant progress a story by clinging to the old, let the new characters branch out on their own and learn to stand on their own two feet, rey doesnt need luke to become a great jedi, the resistence doesnt need leia to take out the first order, but most importantly Finn actually deserved a better sub plot than going to prequel bite. (i'll give Jermey that, that part of the movie always undercut what was going on in the rest of the film.)
Arch legnA i totally agree. If people are saying the slow chase was bad by jermeys own logic then the chase of han by star destroyers and him constantly failing to fix his own ship was bad writing. If he is going to compare it to prequels then you have to say plot failures here are plot failures there. the movie was different because it was showing an early phase to the new rebellion one that grew out of a resistance trying to atop them before they came to power. when we get to our heroes in the orginal trilogy they arr already part of a greater rebellion. it feels disjointed because it is a part two. i also think it is jaring because it took place right after force awakens no time change. but as for it threw out everything from force awakens. force awakens was about finding luke, not snoke not reys parents. those where secondary plots we built up. the plot was about finding luke this was about who luke is and the third movie will.most likely be his legacy
Just wanna say thanks Jermey :)... That's all
"Unexpected isn't good." THANK YOU! Finally someone (who poeple know and listen to) says it.
So in case you plan a Part 3 I'd love to know what you think of these:
I agree with you talking about the "unexpectedness" that doesn't automatically make a movie great and that in my opinion was way too overhyped by everybody, I went in and expected some real, real unexpected crazy shit but what I got was still unexpected (in a good way) but not like this "Omg this is crazy whaat" type of thing.
You're missing a point though because one of the biggest twist in it (that I found to be exceptionally well done and actually unexpected) was that Kylo didn't kill Snoke because he wanted to save Rey, he did that so that he could fully embrace the dark side and become the supreme leader, I thought that either Rey would join him (too bold for Disney tho) or he'd join her (more likely) but no he did it for himself and is still that arrogant angry man he was before, that took me off guard in a good way because I've loved that character since Force Awakens came out and I wanted to see him be the real antagonist of the trilogy, which he now is. Also, the fact that Luke doesn't really want to train Rey and also doesn't really was a twist to me (again, a good twist in my opinion) because that made this "Student goes to planet to find Jedi master to train her" thing a lot more interesting because he teaches her why the Jedi need to end and just shows her what the force really is, he doesn't let her lift rocks and flip around.
Then I also disagree with you when you said that the original characters had a proper ending and now are just rehashed and killed off, I see where you're coming from but in my opinion, Han wasn't really that interesting in RotJ. He was still a scoundrel and the cool witty guy that we love. How does he die, murdered by his own son, the responsibility that he failed to give, because he tried to get him back to the good side. I don't know if I'm in the minority but if yes I also don't care but I never really cared that much about him, I always liked him because he was cool and Harrison Ford and I was shocked when he was freezed in carbonite but after that he was just meh to me and Force Awakens made me care so deeply much about him because he was so well written and also killed. Now Luke died, kind of, he Star Wars-died, Johnson clearly said in an interview that he met a lot of times with Abrams and they discussed if that'd be alright if they'd kill of Luke because that'd leave a huge lot of possibilities for Abrams to explore with him in the Force ghost state that was hinted on by Yoda. Also, he died similarly because of why Obi-Wan died, he died for a greater cause, a purpose. Yes, he undramatically died because the effort was too much (also just showing that he's human and not a Super-Sayjin) but because of that his sister, his apprentice and their friends, the new rebellion (could've just called them Rebellion 2.0 from the start) could flee and rebuild themselves, I don't see how that was not a great resolution to his character arc after having closed himself off the Force, feeling very negative and ashamed about himself and the Jedi, that he finally accepts that he made a mistake but that he should move on and right it wrong. Seriously, he had no training in what, 10 years and y'all expect him to lift that X-Wing out of the sea (cause it'd logically still work I guess), fly to Crait and swing his lightsaber, flip around and either die by Kylo Ren's lightsaber or some random AT-AT's or flee with the resistance? Instead of having this beautifully made, peaceful and silent death that really ended a great story arc of a farm boy who joined the rebellion, destroyed the Death Star, trained to become a Jedi, turned his father back to the light side, then rebuilt the Jedi order but made a huge mistake by following the flawed Jedi way and losing control, giving up and losing hope but then accepting his failure and do something about it and embracing his status of a legend.
I think this arc was perfectly executed (unlike some casino storyline and Holdo's plan etc..) and I love the film overall, I think it's a great Star Wars film, I thinks it's a great film, not perfect of course, but damn good. Liked it the first time, loved it the second time. Anyway, we disagree on some points, we agree on some points, point is it's just a movie and I still love you and your videos with your awesome energy and sense of humour (this one again, fucking hilarious) and will keep enjoying them. Cheers
Edit: Fucking shit this is way longer than I intended :D
Victor Ferger omfg
Victor Ferger Eh, the student killing the Master has been a thing since The Rule of 2 and supported by the Clone Wars. Its in no way new.
I'm always wondering whether Kylo had any sliver of redemption in him in the throne room. I feel like, part of him wanted to save Rey, or just have her not dead because she's so powerful and ~understands~ him, when he killed snoke, and their dual wielding battle with the guards was this rush of adrenaline and companionship he felt with Rey. maybe he was ready to run off with her, and start over not good nor evil. However, I think once he saw Snoke's dead body, that temptation of power and absolute reign consumed him, and right then and there he decided he wanted to be the supreme leader, fully rejecting (eh) the light. Buttttt maybe he was just bad all along. These possibilities...something I like to theorize about
Brynn ya Now that you say that it actually makes a huge lot of sense! I mean he was so calm and patient before the battle and (shut up I kind of ship Reylo now) looked like he did care about her a bit, like you said because she's very powerful and understands him. And that look when he looked at Snoke's dead body, some say "Snoke's spirit took over him" which is bullshit, after all that adrenaline he just remembered what his goal of killing that guy was. You're right, that really makes sense!
Little Prince Kain Except that they both are no Sith, this is not the Rule of Two at all, dear.
I will always consider the EU Novels as the canon story after Return of The Jedi even if they are not, as they have better story than these shitty new Star Wars movies and when the people die in the books it hits you harder than in the movies cause they're just killing them off in the movies so these new uninteresting characters can take over. I doubt i'll even go see Episode 9 in cinemas as will alot of fans.
Carnage ur gonna see it in theater you know you will. At least if your me because I️ told myself so many times I️ wasn’t gonna see justice league when it came out but I saw it anyways. Twice! Lol
I'm not you. So no I won't be seeing episode 9 in theaters
+Carnage Sure you won't
Carnage fair enough
Joe D You can say 'Sure you won't' all you want kiddo but I have this thing called self control. It's just like how I didn't go see the new Ghostbusters even though I loved the originals and I don't intend to as the trailer made it look trash. The last two star wars movies have been trash sorry I mean episode 7 and 8 so I won't be seeing episode 9 at all.
I agree with basically all the criticisms of this film except for the Luke ones. I found Luke's arc to make sense and bring a big emotional punch with it. I liked how he grew from a naive "pure" young man to a mature, more grounded "flawed" person. I liked the lesson about failure. I loved the force projection, it made sense to his state of mind in this film. Luke Skywalker is the best thing about The Last Jedi.
Crazy Dude I agree with you. People forget that thirty years can really change a person. If this movie took place immediately after episode six, then I would see their point.
What pisses me off most is that Luke is just some old weirdo in the last Jedi and Rey does not have to work to be good at everything she just can pilot ships and control the force like yoda with no training
MrCylis Luke did the exact same thing
Jay explain your reasoning
cjua2803 Luke blew up the Death Star and was really effective in a new hope when had little to no training from obi wan and Rey is not that strong she had trouble lifting rocks at the end of the film
That's true. Luke was also good at blasting stormtroopers, piloting, surviving all the crap they did in New Hope with little to no training AND no one whining about the movie not showing a training montage for how he already knew how to fly an X-Wing or shoot people as just a farm boy. Shooting womprats with a T-16 is not like flying an X-wing but no one gave a crap until Rey did it.
btr003 not really. Stating that he is able to shoot small animals with a small ship shows at least some reasoning to his skill. With rey, I never minded tfa because I thought her character woupd have been expanded upon in tlj but it never was. She still managed to do things without any explanation vs luke who is the son of space jesus. She even hit all the steps of turning to the dark side without any consequences which was completely contradictory to the lore of SW
I think people are so unwilling to accept this movie's flaws because it is so new. If you remember when The Phantom Menace was released, everyone thought it was great for the first few months after its release because it was a new Star Wars movie and people were unwilling to see past their own love for the original trilogy.
Exactly. I liked the The Last Jedi the same as Jeremy did because I thought it was just alright. 99.9% of the time, I'm all for the ''movies are subjective"(and it should be 100%), but when it comes to Star Wars, it's a completely different beast. I remember when The Phantom Menace came out, people were raving about it at first...but after a couple of months, they started to change their mind because they were kind of blinded by their love for the first trilogy. And it's happening again with this one...it's a good movie don't get me wrong(better than The Phantom Menace), but there are a lot of flaws in it and I think some people are really trying to justify every little details because they can't accept them just as that, flaws. I'm sure some really love it for real and that's great! Not saying that they have to agree with criticisms others can make, but I still feel that maybe in couple of months or a year from now, a lot of people will retract their initial thoughts like when others did with The Phantom Menace. Take out the Star Wars name from this movie and call it Valerian and the city of a thousand planets part III and see if people would have the same reactions...I don't think so haha
I'm thinking that removing the notion that this was a middle chapter of a trilogy was a very intentional move, not just by Johnson, but by Kennedy and Disney in general.
It seems like, despite any comments to the contrary, what they really want is for the public to (slowly) stop thinking of these as sets of trilogies, and just start thinking of it as the ever-increasing series (with no end in sight) that it's about to become. It's not like they're gonna take a few years off between episode 9 and episode 10 because it's in between supposed trilogies. They won't miss a 2-year beat. With that looming quota, think how much easier it'll be on them not having to coordinate scripts together to tell an on-going over-arching story. Because that's what THEY'RE thinking of.
Side note: When somebody types a single word in all caps, it's usually not meant to be interpreted as a single-word-scream. It's just the closest thing we have to italics in a comments section to indicate which word gets the stress. Grammatically incorrect? Sure. But it's all we got.
I disagree. When something is viewed as a chapter in an ongoing narrative then it causes a viewer to feel compelled to watch something they arent necessarily interested in (Twilight. Hunger Games etc). Even if you dont -feel- invested, you are invested.
To say they intentionally disrupted a storyline in order to subconsciously break the trilogy pairings sounds silly. TFA was not universally beloved, but people felt more invested than they should because it felt like an over-arcing story. But now in the next chapter then instead of being that bridge it feels like an ending. And, for many many many fans, this feels like an appropriate spot to step off the Star Wars Train.
I didn't say that it was subconscious... or anywhere NEAR a good idea. The comment was not an endorsement of that strategy, but a lament about a horrible idea that will probably kill the series in the long run.
I think they were figuring that any and all movies they shit out with the Star Wars logo on them will be automatic mega-hits (for the foreseeable future, anyway), so why make their jobs any harder by worrying about things like scripts that link up in major ways?
No, it's a lazy and stupid idea that's going to gut their box office returns much quicker than they could've imagined when they decided on it. That doesn't mean that it wasn't an intentional move. Sometimes studios have REALLY bad ideas like that. In fact, it happens more often than not these days.
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Not all we got. Plus it’s obnoxious
MycenaeanGal *Asterisks* _underscores_ and -hyphens- around words, huh? Thank you for explaining that in detail... instead of being obnoxious about it.
Make a top 10 most anticipated movies of 2018
I need a Star Wars the force unleashed movie with star killer they really need to show how powerful a Jedi or sith can be and creative with the force for instance stopping tie fighters mid air or even bringing down an entire star destroyer 😱😱😱😱😱😍😍😍 or even if kylo n Rey held hands and stopped a ship with the force il be satisfied enough
"...just like I did when I reviewed Suicide Squad!" Power to you Jeremy. Hold your ground, fuck the haters.
I dig this series.
I think what people mean when talking about the movie's bold new direction is more in terms of themes than scenes themselves. Yeah there were unexpected scenes, but Rian Johnson took the opportunity to explore the force in new ways. He straight up calls the Jedi Order out and says yeah, they fucked up, they weren't always the heroes they were made out to be. The same can be said about Luke himself. The original trilogy was in many respects a very simple dynamic, Good guys - Rebels, Bad Guys - Empire. This one goes deeper into that and starts to explore the grey area in between. How the force doesnt belong to any one person or group. It brings it back to its roots as this mysterious semi magical presence. And I fucking love that
I thought Ep 9 was too superfluous, the things you say about a new direction i take the oposite way. I thought it was not new grounds but a defensive reiteration of what i already know about the 'gray area' that lacks balls.
I agree. It's nice to see a Star Wars movie that doesn't paint the Jedi as all good when we know at this point they weren't. Infact some of the most dangerous Sith that ever existed started with the light side first.
Honestly, I really appericate and admire the fact that you weren't scared to voice the issues you have with this movie. I've seen more reviewers that had flaws with TLJ, but weren't as out spoken about it, and it's refreshing to see that change!
When I re-watched the movie a second time, something Luke said stood out to me. During the scene with him and Rey starting her first lesson, he says something along the lines, "The force does not belong to the Jedi, and to say if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity."
What did you grab from that?
Upon hearing it a second time, it seemed to me that he was explaining that the force is an independent entity, but moreover that the Jedi never needed to exist or have to exist for there to be the light. The light would always appear even if it didn't come back as people of the Jedi. That's why since the Jedi and Sith are dying off, new and random people are becoming force sensitive (Rey and the little boy at the end) to be the new (or same continuous) light, or maybe new a darkness😮😮😮.
What do you think about that? And thoughts on what happened to Rey's 3rd lesson?
The third lesson was cut off, because the movie was too long and it would only have repeated something we are shown later. It was about the Jedi not taking part of conflict, and how this allowed evil to flourish, how it would only feeds their own legend which wasn't helping anyone. This would have sent Rey in a fit of rage and despair as she screamed that she believed in the Legend of Luke, and that it made her better. We already have the Mercenary and the War profiteers to show that standing on the side line is standing with Evil. So in the end, they just cut the whole thing, Rey having already a lot of angst against Luke with the first two lessons.
As for the Force not belonging to the Jedi, I think the same as you. It means that the Jedi are not necessary for the balance of the universe, the universe just balances itself. It also means that it's the "common" people fight against the Dark that it most important, as they are the ones who keeps Evil at bay, not the Jedi. It gives back importance to the non Jedi character.
It may also lead to a new way of thinking the Jedi.
the people who give this a pass are people who have emotional "investments..."
Malice Flare The same could be said about the people who hated it.
Nope it’s called people who have opinions
exactly other way around.... people who dont like the movie want old SW cliches... i LOVED the new approach to SW.... if you wanted same ol, you left disappointed
That long talk at the end was perfect. Explains my feelings about the movie so well.
My cat tried to kiss me last night.
At least someone's getting pussy
Sassy.
Josef Campos
Did you exchange saliva and gain cat powers like Catwoman from Batman Returns?
mechasentai no unfortunately 😳
so that consider as sexual harassment too? or only apply to men ?
I agree 💯
Being a pretty mainstream reviewer Jeremy, this took a lot of balls to do.
I have a new respect for you.
Jeremy should do tales from the comment section for his worst rated reviews.
Thank you for being a movie reviewer that actually knows what the f*** he/she is actually talking about Jeremy! I'm in general a movie lover & I love Star Wars but this was the most disappointed I've ever been walking out of a movie & yes I too have seen it twice.. I appreciate the passion, or as the DB commentor referenced u to as 'Gen. Hux' like; which you show in all your reviews man! Ur 1 of 3 reviewers I trust to actually have & give unbiased insight and knowledge regarding the craft/art form of which you're critiquing.. May not always agree w/ya but I do at least respect it. Like Bright i thought was quite a good movie LoL. Agree totally w/ur review of TLJ. It's sad the way most of the general public tends to view/think about/process movies. Keep up the good work!
Joshua Parker Hey people are allowed to like a movie just because someone doesn’t share your opinion doesn’t mean they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about
I love this section/kind of video because it adres that Jeremy actually read the comment of his videos. More channels need to do this kind of dynamic
Do a tales from the comment section for Jumanji Welcome to the jungle.there are some good comments in there.
Someone show this video to HelloGreedo
Luke cannot and will not reach this state of isolation , ignorance , and depression in TLJ...He has been a Jedi Master for like 30 years and the event of him and Ben Solo took place just 6 years (as I remember) before TLJ , So it’s safe to say that Luke Skywalker is really strong with the force and a real Jedi Master for sure , and even after this horrible event with Ben , Luke will get himself back together after he heals his wounded spirit ..Like what happened with Obi-wan , but in this case He went to Luke and he is the Jedi who tried to convince the one who could save the galaxy not vice-versa..and saying that this scenario will result in a repetition in the series is totally wrong and a horrible excuse to make Luke that way in TLJ...The other thing I want to address is the fact that Luke “Thought for a second” he can kill Ben Solo because he thinks Ben will bring destruction and death to the galaxy !? What the ?! If Luke was himself in that moment and saw Darkness in Ben , He will immediately try to fix this issue and wipe out the Darkness in him by teaching and at least address this issue with others ! You wanna tell me that the SAME PERSON who saw a little bit Goodness in Darth Vader HIMSELF and refused to kill his father for that little reason and tried to turn him back to the Light and SUCCEEDED will do that to his nephew ?! The dude didn’t even turn to the Dark side in the first place (Ben Solo) !!!!
If this issue will be solved SOMEHOW in episode 9 I’m okay with it .. but oh well..What ever happen I will still be a die hard fan for the series and Luke will be my all time favorite in it.
Haha, the rubik's cube! Loved it.
To me the last Jedi proves that Rey is a marry sue.
All the new star Wars films suffer the same problem. The people making the film are more interested in Women Empowerment, and diversity, then a good story. The old Star Wars films had Leia and Queen Amidala, who filled those roles perfectly. Lando was awesome. Windo was great (until he got his hand cut off). Men and women had good and bad traits, and full personalities. Despite cringe worthy dialogue in the Prequels, it was much better then the flat, trash they are producing now.
Davion Evans learn how to spell Rey
It was just a simple a mistake
What I got out of the Admiral Holdo and Poe conflict was it was testing Poe. Poe caused a lot of deaths from defying an order. She was testing to see if he learned anything from his mistake. To follow chain of command. Probably a terrible time to test someone though.
unneccessary conflict for the sake of conflict
These are hilarious! I think the 'bold new direction' thing is because it's not as much of a retread of the originals as TFA was
Is Jeremy married? Asking for a friend.
Pauline Dubois no and he most likely never will be. He's not a fan of loosing half his shit at the end of one
He's 37 yrs old
GhostFace1301, smart man
Nah I think he said before that he never wants to
Alex Kahle yeah he is. Remember him saying it in a campea podcast a while back
"Unexpected doesn't mean good" sums up the movie perfectly
The Last Jedi is still in my opinion is still the 3rd best Star wars film tied with episode 6. The top two is obviously episode 4 and episode 5.
I think the last Jedi does have some big flaws but then again so did episode 6 but both are still really enjoyable movies. Still the bashing just shows how passionate the fanbase can be but a lot of the fans just sound butthurt more than critiquing the movie.
Soul Warfare42 you just said TLJ was better than return of the Jedi lol.
Nigel Thornberry return of the Jedi has a lot of problems . You only deny it because of nostalgia's sake.
VEND ETTA haha speaking of "a lot of problems" have you seen TLJ lol the irony is unreal lol.
VEND ETTA If the Return of the Jedi has so many problems, why did they need to copy parts of it for the Last Jedi?