Vince Williams you don’t realize how important that notion is to deciding the Monday night wars. The events between November 97 and Mania 98 is the deciding time period, when Vince takes Hogan’s heat and then takes the beating everyone wanted to see Hogan get but never could because of Hogan’s politics.
Curt should have stayed, Mongo should have done the double cross, for a pay-off. Remember the Horsemen bought off Mongo when he joined (and he turned on Kevin Green).
It's a monumental understatement to say that Wcw missed the boat on Curt Henning remaining with the Horsemen. He was tailor made for that role. It's a genuine shame it never came to be.
I think Hennig should've been in the horseman. He was just a secondary guy in the nwo after the first few weeks. They should've strengthened wcw, it would've meant something taking AA's spot, not a liver spot or dog spot, but a big time spot to have flair, hennig, benoit and mongo. Made no fucking sense to water down the nwo, even more. Could've had another big time player, and made him a top guy in wcw, instead of ending up a mid carder in the nwo.
Much respect to you Arn for surviving and thriving all these years in a business run by egomaniacs and judged by self absorbed marks and so called experts. Much respect to a hard working dude! Continued success and peace brother!
Curt definitely should of stayed a Horseman it would of made sense with Curt and Flair connection going back to the WWF. And the Horseman should went over at fall brawl. I agree with Arn here 1000%
The biggest problem was Curt joining the Horsemen was a great addition and a way to feature him in the changing group dynamic. When he turned on them, it was shocking at first, but then he became just another guy in the nWo. The group was top guy after top guy to the point that Curt Hennig was #7 or 8 on an already stacked team. As opposed to being one of an elite 4 (and Mongo).
When he was US Champion he was closer to the tier with Hogan, Savage, and the Outsiders. It was afterwards they didn't know what to do with him but that was 98 WCW in general, they put the title on Goldberg with little buildup simply to keep from falling behind in the ratings war.
Ya he came in Pretty high up on the team though,Xpac,Was Cruiserweight champ and was pretty high,He was Sixx after All,Hogan s one ,Hall was 2 Nash 3 Macho 4Mr Perfect,5,And Xpac was six till he left then Papa Pump took his Spot,Then was Norton and Bagwell,going by there tv time,But they didn't really need any after 5 or 6 Then Bischoff and the crooked ref
Curt was so talented, I wish he would have had a WWE or WCW world title run, I wish he would have stayed a Horseman and they would have won that night, either way he got buried along with Bret Hart and so many others that Bischoff didn’t know what to do with
"It feels stupid coming out of my mouth" as Arn referenced Curt as not being over yet. That is exactly the feeling for anyone who know anything about wrestling and anything about the career of Curt Hennig, and to see a guy like Curt, hands down one of the best workers to ever lace up a pair of boots, being used in the manner that they were using him was just criminal. I used to get so frustrated watching Curt in WCW and the way he was being used and I would think to myself my gosh don't these people even realize the caliber of talent that they have on their hands, and why aren't any of his peers bringing this to the attention of the WCW brass? This was one of my most frustrating experiences as a fan, and one of the greatest instances of injustice on a performer that I had ever witnessed, but in true Curt fashion he did what was ask of him and he would bump like a madman to put someone else over.
Same with Scott Hall. Him and Curt were always the ones losing matches which made no sense since they were both big names. They were being paid a lot of money though so obviously they didn't mind putting over the lesser talent.
Wow,see I love Perfect too but I don't remember it this way,They brought him in as a big deal,he got I this big angle with the Horsemen first,Then he Joined the NWO and was US champ at least a couple tiimes??And he had sum great matches,Then later with the West Texas Red necks was silly but funny and he had the tag belts a couple times too with Barry Windaham?I thought they treated him better than most,Even Bret who I love also,did ok there,He won all three main titles!They act like wcw should have changed there biggest ppv ver(And it was ) And so.e how give Bret the match after building up Hogan vs Sting for two years???I mean sometimes I think they can only do so much but they did better than most ex wwe guys
WCW dropped the ball big time with this one 1 It would give Curt something to do, 2 It would have given the 4 horsemen strength 3rd Had the horsemen gotten the win it would have kept things fresh in the WCW / NWO feud. I agree with what Arn says here.
The legend of the Horsemen died in 88 when Arn and Tully left to work for Vince, everything after that is a series of mistakes and stupid booking decisions.
I agree. Curt was a great talent not being used. Having him join a watered down NWO was stupid! Too many heels not being used is stupid. Terrible booking smh
I can understand why Arn, Tully, and Ric preferred Barry Windham as a better addition to the Horsemen than Ole. Ole was a jerk, hard headed and difficult to work with. But when you watch his promos man Ole was great. He had great mic skills. He played a great heel and he was very believable. I will always say the original 4 Horsemen was the best version. When it came to their feud with the NWO the Horseman were POORLY utilized. That feud had AMAZING potential and Biscoff flushed it down the toilet. The fans loved the 4 Horsemen and to have them feud agaisnt the NWO could have been epic storytelling. A wasted opportunity.
I was in the 2nd row that night. I was about 15 feet from Flair when he got his head slammed in the cage. The crowd was livid...and it wasn't good heat. It was disgust with the product.
Had the horsemen won that match everyone in the horsemen would have been good for the wrestling business Curt Henning was one of the greatest ever I've been a fan of his since he wrestled in Oregon
NWO didn't need Curt ... WCW and the horseman needed Curt. Fundamental problem with the NWO arc. WCW rarely competed. Competition is necessary for fans to remain engaged
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE me some Arn, & Curt, so this show is "ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!" (PUN INTENDED!) LOL...I didn't catch it at first, but nobody would believe me If I said "I forgot that was his catch phrase for a minute!" Lol...
There were way "too many" members of the NWO. Not to mention, fans got sick and tired of Hogan holding onto the World title for as long as he did. YEAR-AFTER-YEAR
Exactly whoever came up with every member of WCW damn near becoming a part of the NWO was stupid as hell I guess they don't remember the old phrase less is better
I’m with Arn.. Curt wasn’t being used properly, a perfect fit with The Horsemen.. Also give WCW that one night in Horsemen Country.. Huge Mistake by WCW to let it go down the way it did . 👎🏽
I mainly remember this PPV because while I was in High School we were on a over the weekend field trip in Winston Salem and ended up staying in the same hotel as many of the wrestlers.
Aside from the cage match there is one tag team match from Nitro with Curt as a Horseman, teaming with Flair against Buff Bagwell and Konnan. Oh, what could have been.
I always hated how the Horsemen never got real retribution for this double cross by Curt. Flair getting his head slammed in that cage door, just cant go without payback. WCW always let the NWO come out on top, at times when they probably shouldn't. This one, Nash beating Goldberg, etc... Just too one sided.
I think both angles make some sense, Mr. Perfect in or out of the Four Horsemen. Obviously he gets a lot of heel heat by letting fans think he's the perfect new addition to the Four Horsemen and then backstabbing him. However, for me, Mr. Perfect was one of my most ideal members of the Four Horsemen; in terms of being like a mid-sized, Michigan/Texas-tough good worker. Him, Rick Rude, and Mr. Wonderful.
I was in Winston Salem that night. And the 4 horsemen were hot. At this point I was sick of all the NWO stuff. I couldn’t stand Eric Bitchoff. I still feel like HH and Eric killed WCW.
The NWO should have only been Hogan, Nash, Hall, and Sid. Syxx was a joke and a fuck up. The NWO’s version of the acolytes should have been Disciple, Buff Bagwell, Steiner Brothers and Scott Norton. Four Horsemen should have been Flair, Arn, Mr. Perfect and Dean Malenko. When Arn went down and could no longer work, he should have been the manager and then move Benoit into his slot. The WCW babyfaces should have been Sting, Luger, Macho, Goldberg, Giant, Perry Saturn and Kidman. Then the two tag teams that should have tip ties between both sides would be the Road Warriors and Harlem Heat. Never being babyfaces or true heels. So much talent there and they could have milked varied storylines between all those guys for several years.
As a southern wrestling fan that loves and respects Ric Flair and Arn Anderson and the four horsemen, but also as someone who shoots it down the middle I feel like I should point out that they didn’t kill Winston Salem. It’s kind of hard to kill Winston Salem when Greensboro is right next-door. On top of that WCW went back to Winston Salem after that and it wasn’t an empty arena, I’m not saying it was sold out but it was 8090% full. Dave Meltzer Hates the end WO as a faction, as an idea, and as far as the individual members go, he hates all of them to personally. He attacks every member of the NWO anytime you ask him about Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sean Waltman, etc. it should also be pointed out this wasn’t an idea that came from anyone in the NWO. The whole parity thing was Terry Taylor‘s idea. And the four horse knew about it before they went out there it wasn’t till when their wives called and they have a big problem with it. Case in point Ron Simmons, the rock, Mark Henry, none of the NOD have ever did a shoot interview and talked about how DX ruined them with a parity. So the NWL was doing the same heel tactics the four Horsemen we’re doing in the 80s to Dusty but since we live in the world of the Internet where it’s trendy to hate Kliq members It must be taken as that they had something personal against the horseman and this was somehow a way to get them more money blah blah blah blah blah. That’s bullshit. I do agree that there really was no reason to have Curt join the NWO, Yes he did win the US title shortly after that but as soon as he lost the US title he was pretty much put in the back of the bus. When people talk about the NWO getting too big and they’re throwing T-shirts on everyone it always pisses me off when they start rattling off names and they say guys like Vincent , every group needs to have flunkies. Vincent was one of the original guys when the original T-shirts first came out that was wearing one. Of course Curt Hennig, Bret Hart, Stevie Ray and Bryan Adams or bigger stars and more over than Vincent but to me all those guys should’ve never joined. I agree with the idea that too many new people joined in 1998 but you can’t roll that up into a big ball and blame all the NWO members for that. That’s why Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and Sean Waldman created the Wolfpack because they weren’t really in charge of the NWO, You see boys and girls the NWO was a wrestling gimmick, it wasn’t real and members didn’t really have a say on who joined or not. I’m not saying there’s things that went wrong I’m just saying we need to point the blame where they deserve to and to me most of the blame for WCW’s downfall at the beginning of 1999 I would put on Hogan, who I am a fan of, Eric Bischoff And Terry Taylor.
The flaw in your argument is the parody never produced any payback and it was parodying a guy's legit retirement from a legit injury ending a legendary career. NoD didn't get buried by the DX parody and hadn't been getting beat up and never getting any payback. It's not a good comparison at all. Even in the Horsemen's heyday they would get their asses handed to them in the big matches to payoff all their heel tactics leading up to the matches. From 6:10 on between Arn and Conrad they make it plain as day.
Since Terry Taylor is generally considered a knockoff Ric Flair that the actual insidious parody angle idea was his adds a level of intrigue.🤔😡🎤🐴💎🤼♂️B.W.
Curt would have been a phenomenal Horseman. They were historically smaller, more technically gifted wrestlers, with a big "enforcer" (although that was Arns nickname)..I thought no one wouldve been a better horseman than Curt with the exception of Benoit or Malenko, and theyve been there.
Benoit, Malenko and a very old looking Flair are 100% the reason why the Horsemen were midcard trash by the late 1990s. It needed to be a fresh group of charismatic assholes like Hennig & Jericho managed by Flair as the JJ Dillon of the group. The 2 vanilla midgets are the antithesis of what the Horsemen were and what got them over in the first place; Charisma and trash talking.
I didn't even get a chance to listen to this interview before making a comment I remember when that happened I was sitting in the living room you have a two-time combat veteran Marine mad as hell crying because of the way they did Ric Flair the dirtiest player in the game that pink robe getting all tore up and I was livid I would have been one of those fans who would have got the s*** beat out of him by the boys in the back but I wouldn't have went down without a fight but I still would have went to jail and if you had a picture of being livid was a person it would have been me
WCW should have profited millions with the Horsemen during the Bischoff era...Imagine Flair, Benoit, Mongo, Hennig, and Arn as the Manager. They could have run angles and packed arenas for at least 2 years!
Curt Hennig, Dean Malenko, and Chris Benoit were all perfectly made for the Horsemen style. It’s a shame that it never really fleshed itself out on screen in WCW. NWO could have came & gone, but the Horsemen should have always been a badge of honor passed from one generation to the next, in an alternate universe where WCW won the Monday Night Wars and Nitro stayed on television.
In 1998ish, the only force that could really clear-out the nWo was Sting and possible team-ups with DDP, Big Show, and Lex Luger. I don't think the Four Horsemen could've cleared-out the nWo like that, but I think it would've been a little too uninteresting if the Four Horsemen was around to team-up with Sting, DDP, Big Show, and Luger; because then the good guys may have had *too much* strength with which to beat the bad guys. Related to Four Horsemen membership: I tend to think that Horsemen members should be big-ish, classy, wealthy high-level workers who could fit into a sinister, intellectual secret society. I think Hennig was a perfect fit. I think Mongo was an awful fit. I think Jarrett and Malenko would've been okay, but both were too small. Chris Benoit and Brian Pillman were pretty good (despite being a little small). Bret Hart would've been pretty good. I think an ideal Four Horsemen line-up all-time would've been something like Kurt Hennig, Paul Orndorff, Rick Rude, and Ric Flair (and I would've included some big enforcer like Sid, Mark Callaway, or Vader; but they didn't meet my criteria of being snobbish, classy, and intellectual). And they should be working storylines where they can influence booking, influence the refereeing, engage in secret occult rituals, and are somehow involved in puppetmastering the creation and destruction of the nWo to gain increased power and profit.
Obviously, a triumphant night for the Horsemen was a no-brainer there - for me, for Arn, for all the Winston-Salem fans... but not for the powers-that-be in WCW, at the time. Obviously. And yet it would have been so easy to please everyone: the Horsemen win in the cage... They raise the cage... The nWo attacks - full force. Why would they accept defeat? Why would they limit themselves to just 4 members that night? (Okay, they had 5 once they added Curt...! But even then - they were used to flood the ring!) So let's see most of the nWo out there - injure Flair, so he gets his time off. But, to preserve the triumphal overall aspect of the night, have the rest of WCW rally right there and then (like they finally did, on Nitro, but it was maybe a year later?) and they drive away the bad guys. They could have done this. They chose not to. They chose to go with a ''shocking finish'' instead, something no one expected... I see Bischoff's hand in this! It made no sense though: because, although Hennig had wrestled Flair out of the old WWF before, he had feuded with Hogan first and clearly hated him more. It makes no sense then, storywise, that he'd turn on the Horsemen to become subservient to his old foe that he never beat! Very disappointing finish, yes: only possibly topped by the disappointment, right now, of seeing a WWE 2K20 commercial coming on here, right after listening to Arn...!!!
@@gregorykrug8034 sure. They pushed guys like Kerry Von Erich, Rick Rude, Ted DiBiase, but not as far as they could have in the case of Rude, DiBiase and Hennig. And yes gimmicks like Million Dollar Man and Mr Perfect seemed more important than titles to Vince and company. I guess if Curt had had the brand split era he might've had a run or two as the top champ on each show but who knows?
Curt Hennig was the perfect addition to The 4Horseman. With Chris Benoit and Ric Flair The stable would have been unstoppable. My only discordant note was Mongo as a wrestler. Mongo would have been perfect as a bodyguard like "Chyna" in DX. And for last Bret Hart as cherry on top. He would have fit in the group like a glove.
I remember the Nitro after this match they showed the picture of Ric Flair on the stretcher after Curt Henning slammed the door on his head. I don't know why but to me it looked like Ric Flair was dead to me in that photo and it just disturbed the hell out of me. He really just looked dead to me in that image. I hate sounding like a whimp but that just shocked me. I am a firm believer that the original IV Horsemen was the best IV Horsemen. None or the IV Horsemen groups that followed the originals touched the originals in my view and I know Arn agrees. To me personally the Horsemen of th Monday Night Wars era just never worked for me. That is no disrespect to any of the members of that era but to me most of all of them outside of Flair and Arn just felt like the round peg in the square hole. But the one exception to that rule was Curt Henning. Curt Henning could have been an awesome fit as a member of the IV Horsemen! The way they cut the legs out of that one before it could even get off the ground was just stupid and a prime example of why WCW's corpse is currently rotting in the grave yard of now dead wrestling promotions. No vision! They were stuck with the NWO and once that gimmick began to fizzle they never could figure out how to move forward. I could imagine that if they had Henning and then when Bret Hart came to WCW and then maybe Lex Luger as another member (once again) or maybe even Booker T that would have been an impressive stable!
Wow...huge point to the "What-If" column....even though it would' have been a short term dividend....If CH would have been a true Horseman strong for a while...and def including a win that night...IN Horsemen Country! With that future talent! They shit the bed, bad, on that one.
I can’t disagree that Curt would of legitimized the Horsemen. Still Hennig and Rude were the two best heel personas in the nWo outside of Hogan Hall and Nash. The nWo colors just made them more bad ass. Curts own son said he loved being in the nWo. To me that’s what matters. I’m sure Curt could of choose to stay with the horsemen if he wanted to. I doubt Bischoff made him. The biggest failure in WCW was not booking Curt and Brett Hart more. They had an awful ppv match and even worse match on tv that was barely three minutes and was interrupted. Brett said it was a shame most of there matches weren’t televised in WWF.
Curt would have been a great horseman in the 80’s and early 90’s but by this time, curt was too big for either faction. They should have had him start a separate with Curt, DDP and a few other AWA guys. It could have worked.
I'd go one further and despite the NWO being a brainchild of Eric Bischoff, due to the beginnings of the group, it would make more sense for Eric to stay against the NWO and have his own Dangerous Alliance basically.
Curt could have temporarily replaced Flair as the leader of The Horsemen, then led to an amazing feud for that role when “The Nature Boy” returned. That would have been MUCH more entertaining than having literally everyone in WCW in the NWO.
That was the last straw for me. I was already pissed with the tired NWO angle and Bischoff constantly taking a piss on the Horsemen and all things that had to do with the old school NWA/WCW heritage. I stopped watching pro wrestling for several years after this fiasco and Bischoff's middle finger to old school NWA fans like myself.
And is right,we I never knew he was mad about that lol,But if RIC was having surgery, and gonna be gone,that's probably why they didn't wanna do anything with the Horsemen anyway,Plus if I remember correctly, Henning kinda just got there,And only did a couple ppv,s then he joined NWO and was US champ for awhile,so they did give him something to do,But as a baby face Curt could fight Hogan even,and you know Hulk loved wrestling him and would have loved to pin him on like 4 ppv,s,Then move Henning,over to team with Benoit vs Hall and Nash,and ARN can be there manager,it woulda been a year of television!!!
I understand what Arn is saying, but the Horseman were a relic of the past by the late 90"s. The Horsemen may have still been a southern draw in a few towns, but not in North America as a whole. Eric was looking at being a national brand. Notwithstanding, Curt could have had a great feud with Hogan without the Horseman or anyone. He was perfect!!!
Horsemen should have been Flair, Windham, Malenko, Benoit, managed by Arn. They should have aligned with the WCW guys - Booker T, Sting, DDP, Goldberg, and Savage should have been a WCW guy as well. Those guys should have all had a real feud with the NWO and I wish I could go back and book that. Horsemen should have been a real thing and respected. And Bischoff did niot respect or understand what ythe Horsemen meant to WCW/NWA history, and he even admitted that. It's a crying shame. Truly. What might have been would have made WCW SO much better.
this is my new tuesday wrestling program. not only does NWA power come out on tuesdays but i get to listen to a sane wrestling program instead of cornette and his terrible politics and one man assault team against trump and anything holy..lol
I agree turning Curt to the NWO was not a good idea, especially for that match. But it wasn't like WCW couldn't overcome that. They had chances. Starrcade 1997 should have been a clean win for Sting. It ended in controversy. The following year, you have Goldberg lose to Nash. Bad idea. And then, Nash v Hogan was highly anticipated. What do you do? You have Hogan poke Nash in the chest, get the 1-2-3, and NWO is reunited (sort of). Most important, though, is outside of Goldberg, no major star was created, which would have helped to ease the wind down of the NWO angle.
@@ivanfranceschi9139 okay, I'll at least admit that the DDP point is valid, because Savage did get him over when WCW was at the top. I probably would agree with Booker T and Scott Steiner more, except Booker T was relegated to being a mid-carder until the last year of WCW, when the product was going downhill, and Steiner, while getting pushed, was also linked to the NWO right up until late 1999, early 2000. What I was getting at here, was that 1998 was when WCW should have slowly weeded out the NWO and elevate other guys to main event levels, and they didn't do it to the extent that they should have.
Mr Perfect left because he heard Cornette was working on a ' Dad Bods' angle with Arn and Tully. He didn't want to be associated with the gimmick, so he told Flair to piss off and stick his 4 horseman spot ...😂
Without Tully the Horseman were dead, plus at that time WCW was starting in their death spiral. Basically wrestling was dying, the regional's were circuits were all but gone, Vince the dick and Ted Turner were gobbling up everything and spitting most wrestlers into a spitune
The only reason I saw having Curt Join NWO was he was a ex WWF Guy.Buy Curt was a Textbook Horseman,(ring sjill,mic work, accolades over years in the business and of a lot of the past horsemen who had no business being in that group,like Mongo,Roma,Sid ...)him in the 4H would've freshen up the the group and had a legit superstar in that group to replace double A The horsemen would have been on par with the NWO instead of a group that became a shell of itself
Curt would have been great in the Horsemen with Flair in the JJ role and Barry Windham, Chris Jericho and A.N Other (maybe even Bret Hart if the timing was right). If you want to talk about having no business ever being Horsemen, then Benoit & Malenko are the 2 prime examples. Horsemen were cocky and charismatic pricks. Those 2 were charisma vacuum midgets that made the Horsemen into a strictly midcard act.
@@handsolo1209 ok you're not wrong in my mind ,BUT Benoit and Maleko were bad ass workhorses in the ring,but as Wrestling personalities they were boring AF,but their gimmick was they're "WRESTLERS" and the Horsemen always had great Wrestlers/Workers in the Stable,no matter what
@@Filmation77 = No, the Horsemen were always top guys. Flair was the NWA Champion and a great talker. Arn & Ole were a great tag team and were both great talkers. Tully was TV champion and a great talker. They could all wrestle, but it was the charisma and talking that got them over so well. Benoit & Malenko were great cruiserweight midcarders, no doubt about that, but put those 2 in any group and the group becomes mediocre. Benoit & Malenko instead of Hall & Nash? nWo sucks Benoit & Malenko instead of Austin & Rude? Dangerous Alliance sucks Benoit & Malenko instead of Road Dogg & Billy Gunn? DX sucks. Nah, those 2 being put in the Horsemen was the death knell for the group and they should have been losing to everyone they faced.
@@handsolo1209 eh...not all the Horsemen were Top guys Mongo was a Shit Wrestler and lame on the stick(but for some reason Ric and Arn liked him as a Shoot *SMH* Paul Roma TBH showed potential in WWF's Power and Glory tag team,let's just say that Roma was what Brian Pillman COULD'VE been The Horsemen combo I would've loved to seen would be Flair, Arn,Ted Diebase and Paul Orndorff!! That wouldve been ON!!! Imo
Curt was lost in the shuffle. This would have led to Brett being recruited by his friend Curt and given him purpose. Mongo replaced by DDP- Bodyguards of WCW would have prolonged collapse
Henning in nwo kept him cool , but I think he should have stayed horsemen , he coulda rebuild his last few years , having a legit spit on a team not being back ground noice to Hogan ,hall ,Nash etc , he could have challenge for world title atleast.... Plus he was 39 in 97 if I was him I'd stayed horsemen unless boss said no
They definitely overloaded the nWo and it became a bloated beast. The Horseman should have won and Curt should have been groomed for a top spot. WCW had so much going for them and the decline definitely started here.
If Curt stayed with the horsemen it would have benefited everybody in WCW
I personally would've loved to see it
It would have really put Curt over! Adding Curt to the clown group was a waste.
how?
Vince Williams you don’t realize how important that notion is to deciding the Monday night wars. The events between November 97 and Mania 98 is the deciding time period, when Vince takes Hogan’s heat and then takes the beating everyone wanted to see Hogan get but never could because of Hogan’s politics.
Curt should have stayed, Mongo should have done the double cross, for a pay-off. Remember the Horsemen bought off Mongo when he joined (and he turned on Kevin Green).
Curt betraying the Horsemen was stupid idea
thats wcw for you
In Charlotte too
In a long list of creative mistakes. Oooh! That was edgy. Too bad no one in WCW creative ever planned to be there more than two weeks.
It shocked me and broke my heart!
Stupid made no sense!!!! Then why have the My Spot promo!!!!
Curt was so underused in both WWE and WCW
It's a monumental understatement to say that Wcw missed the boat on Curt Henning remaining with the Horsemen. He was tailor made for that role. It's a genuine shame it never came to be.
That curt henning being in the horseman would lead the next generation of horseman ,and the next and the next ric could of retired in the 90s
Yeah NWO buried everyone but Hall, Nash, Hogan and Xpac who joined. Henning in NWO was an "also joined". In Horseman he woulda been bigger fish.
I think Hennig should've been in the horseman. He was just a secondary guy in the nwo after the first few weeks. They should've strengthened wcw, it would've meant something taking AA's spot, not a liver spot or dog spot, but a big time spot to have flair, hennig, benoit and mongo. Made no fucking sense to water down the nwo, even more. Could've had another big time player, and made him a top guy in wcw, instead of ending up a mid carder in the nwo.
Instead of being respected as a Horseman, Curt went on to sing "Rap is Crap" .... no wonder WCW was at an end
Yes, rap is crap. Good lord, it sucks.
Didn't curt rap on the rock and wrestle rumble song back in the 80s then 20 years later rap is crap
The funny thing is the West Texas Rednecks (?) is by accounts the character closest to the real Curt Hennig.
Much respect to you Arn for surviving and thriving all these years in a business run by egomaniacs and judged by self absorbed marks and so called experts. Much respect to a hard working dude! Continued success and peace brother!
Curt definitely should of stayed a Horseman it would of made sense with Curt and Flair connection going back to the WWF. And the Horseman should went over at fall brawl. I agree with Arn here 1000%
And he would of been a better Horseman than Malenko boring ass
Curt belonged with the Horsemen. Mongo did not.
Everyone would've benefited? including Chris, WOMAN(Nancy) & their Son-Respect to the remaining Benoit family
DUDE ARN SO CALM ,COOL AND COLLECTED !!
Hes ole school!
The biggest problem was Curt joining the Horsemen was a great addition and a way to feature him in the changing group dynamic.
When he turned on them, it was shocking at first, but then he became just another guy in the nWo. The group was top guy after top guy to the point that Curt Hennig was #7 or 8 on an already stacked team. As opposed to being one of an elite 4 (and Mongo).
When he was US Champion he was closer to the tier with Hogan, Savage, and the Outsiders. It was afterwards they didn't know what to do with him but that was 98 WCW in general, they put the title on Goldberg with little buildup simply to keep from falling behind in the ratings war.
Ya he came in Pretty high up on the team though,Xpac,Was Cruiserweight champ and was pretty high,He was Sixx after All,Hogan s one ,Hall was 2 Nash 3 Macho 4Mr Perfect,5,And Xpac was six till he left then Papa Pump took his Spot,Then was Norton and Bagwell,going by there tv time,But they didn't really need any after 5 or 6 Then Bischoff and the crooked ref
Love how the discussion turns into a promo for an appearance...twice.
Curt was so talented, I wish he would have had a WWE or WCW world title run, I wish he would have stayed a Horseman and they would have won that night, either way he got buried along with Bret Hart and so many others that Bischoff didn’t know what to do with
"It feels stupid coming out of my mouth" as Arn referenced Curt as not being over yet. That is exactly the feeling for anyone who know anything about wrestling and anything about the career of Curt Hennig, and to see a guy like Curt, hands down one of the best workers to ever lace up a pair of boots, being used in the manner that they were using him was just criminal. I used to get so frustrated watching Curt in WCW and the way he was being used and I would think to myself my gosh don't these people even realize the caliber of talent that they have on their hands, and why aren't any of his peers bringing this to the attention of the WCW brass? This was one of my most frustrating experiences as a fan, and one of the greatest instances of injustice on a performer that I had ever witnessed, but in true Curt fashion he did what was ask of him and he would bump like a madman to put someone else over.
Same with Scott Hall. Him and Curt were always the ones losing matches which made no sense since they were both big names. They were being paid a lot of money though so obviously they didn't mind putting over the lesser talent.
Wow,see I love Perfect too but I don't remember it this way,They brought him in as a big deal,he got I this big angle with the Horsemen first,Then he Joined the NWO and was US champ at least a couple tiimes??And he had sum great matches,Then later with the West Texas Red necks was silly but funny and he had the tag belts a couple times too with Barry Windaham?I thought they treated him better than most,Even Bret who I love also,did ok there,He won all three main titles!They act like wcw should have changed there biggest ppv ver(And it was ) And so.e how give Bret the match after building up Hogan vs Sting for two years???I mean sometimes I think they can only do so much but they did better than most ex wwe guys
I liked Rude and Curt together in the NWO as a duo.However having Curt win and remain in the Horsemen would be dope.
I think it suck
Curt henning, ric flair, AA, and barry windham would have been the next greatest 4H lineup.
steven mccann I disagree. A 4H without Tully, is a shell of their former selves...Without Tully, none of it works...
Lol Smarks Can’t do it without Tully. Was never gonna work...
WCW dropped the ball big time with this one 1 It would give Curt something to do, 2 It would have given the 4 horsemen strength 3rd Had the horsemen gotten the win it would have kept things fresh in the WCW / NWO feud. I agree with what Arn says here.
I like how Arn presents himself - no ego, great recall, clear and matter of fact, respectful of the business.
Arns out of nowhere jokes on these are absolutely hilarious.
The legend of the Horsemen died in 88 when Arn and Tully left to work for Vince, everything after that is a series of mistakes and stupid booking decisions.
Indeed.
I did like the Benoit and Pillman version. It was well planned and gave the group renewed credibility.
True! Especially with Ole Anderson. They were terrifying in the 80s!!!!
@@oiuytv That was the best version! Arn said that he liked the version with Barry Windham.
I agree.
I think this event is what made me turn away from wcw...I was a HORSEMAN through and through...I think turning Kurt was a terrible idea...
I agree. Curt was a great talent not being used. Having him join a watered down NWO was stupid! Too many heels not being used is stupid. Terrible booking smh
I can understand why Arn, Tully, and Ric preferred Barry Windham as a better addition to the Horsemen than Ole. Ole was a jerk, hard headed and difficult to work with. But when you watch his promos man Ole was great. He had great mic skills. He played a great heel and he was very believable. I will always say the original 4 Horsemen was the best version.
When it came to their feud with the NWO the Horseman were POORLY utilized. That feud had AMAZING potential and Biscoff flushed it down the toilet. The fans loved the 4 Horsemen and to have them feud agaisnt the NWO could have been epic storytelling. A wasted opportunity.
I was in the 2nd row that night. I was about 15 feet from Flair when he got his head slammed in the cage. The crowd was livid...and it wasn't good heat. It was disgust with the product.
His head really got hit
Ricks head was concussed it wasnt all an angle
@@mikerubin3105 Do more research. Flair had plastic surgery scheduled so they did that angle.
@@bradgaines the cage accidentally hit him.i know Tommy young he said so
Had the horsemen won that match everyone in the horsemen would have been good for the wrestling business Curt Henning was one of the greatest ever I've been a fan of his since he wrestled in Oregon
But can't spell his name
NWO didn't need Curt ... WCW and the horseman needed Curt.
Fundamental problem with the NWO arc. WCW rarely competed. Competition is necessary for fans to remain engaged
Ric Flair, Ric Rude, Chris Benoit, and Curt Henning. Good dream version of the Horsemen.
Curt Henning would have been a great wcw champion
Arn Anderson. The last man in kayfabe.
He's talking about it for the fans to hear, the opposite of Kayfabe
He's not kayfabing he's telling the truth
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE me some Arn, & Curt, so this show is "ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!" (PUN INTENDED!) LOL...I didn't catch it at first, but nobody would believe me If I said "I forgot that was his catch phrase for a minute!" Lol...
Curt as a horseman was a slap in the face to fans given the history he had with Flair although in wwf
There were way "too many" members of the NWO. Not to mention, fans got sick and tired of Hogan holding onto the World title for as long as he did.
YEAR-AFTER-YEAR
Exactly whoever came up with every member of WCW damn near becoming a part of the NWO was stupid as hell I guess they don't remember the old phrase less is better
True. As over as the nwo was, it got old fast. That is something that EZ E never figured out..
Henning, Benoit, Flair, and Pillman with AA as the Representative would have been an amazing Faction. F BITCHOFF!!!!!!! Don’t F with the Horsemen!!!!
Curt Henning was one of the greatest. Man I wish he was still here. Such and outstanding guy.🌞✝️
I’m with Arn.. Curt wasn’t being used properly, a perfect fit with The Horsemen.. Also give WCW that one night in Horsemen Country..
Huge Mistake by WCW to let it go down the way it did . 👎🏽
I mainly remember this PPV because while I was in High School we were on a over the weekend field trip in Winston Salem and ended up staying in the same hotel as many of the wrestlers.
Totally true ! They should have made Arn part of creative content or booker
I loved his finisher
Aside from the cage match there is one tag team match from Nitro with Curt as a Horseman, teaming with Flair against Buff Bagwell and Konnan. Oh, what could have been.
I always hated how the Horsemen never got real retribution for this double cross by Curt. Flair getting his head slammed in that cage door, just cant go without payback. WCW always let the NWO come out on top, at times when they probably shouldn't. This one, Nash beating Goldberg, etc... Just too one sided.
I always like the original 4 horsemen. Flair Arn Ole Tully
I think both angles make some sense, Mr. Perfect in or out of the Four Horsemen. Obviously he gets a lot of heel heat by letting fans think he's the perfect new addition to the Four Horsemen and then backstabbing him.
However, for me, Mr. Perfect was one of my most ideal members of the Four Horsemen; in terms of being like a mid-sized, Michigan/Texas-tough good worker. Him, Rick Rude, and Mr. Wonderful.
Completely agree. Curt never should have turned.
I always loved Marty's work. He had the look.
I was in Winston Salem that night. And the 4 horsemen were hot. At this point I was sick of all the NWO stuff. I couldn’t stand Eric Bitchoff. I still feel like HH and Eric killed WCW.
The NWO should have only been Hogan, Nash, Hall, and Sid. Syxx was a joke and a fuck up. The NWO’s version of the acolytes should have been Disciple, Buff Bagwell, Steiner Brothers and Scott Norton. Four Horsemen should have been Flair, Arn, Mr. Perfect and Dean Malenko. When Arn went down and could no longer work, he should have been the manager and then move Benoit into his slot. The WCW babyfaces should have been Sting, Luger, Macho, Goldberg, Giant, Perry Saturn and Kidman. Then the two tag teams that should have tip ties between both sides would be the Road Warriors and Harlem Heat. Never being babyfaces or true heels. So much talent there and they could have milked varied storylines between all those guys for several years.
I was there that night. It was a near riot in Winston-Salem.
You know in my opinion having curt hemming in the four horsemen would not be a bad also rick rude would be a good think
You know in my opinion having curt hennig in the 4 horseman wouldn't be a bad idea also rickrude would be a good think
As a southern wrestling fan that loves and respects Ric Flair and Arn Anderson and the four horsemen, but also as someone who shoots it down the middle I feel like I should point out that they didn’t kill Winston Salem. It’s kind of hard to kill Winston Salem when Greensboro is right next-door. On top of that WCW went back to Winston Salem after that and it wasn’t an empty arena, I’m not saying it was sold out but it was 8090% full. Dave Meltzer Hates the end WO as a faction, as an idea, and as far as the individual members go, he hates all of them to personally. He attacks every member of the NWO anytime you ask him about Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sean Waltman, etc. it should also be pointed out this wasn’t an idea that came from anyone in the NWO. The whole parity thing was Terry Taylor‘s idea. And the four horse knew about it before they went out there it wasn’t till when their wives called and they have a big problem with it. Case in point Ron Simmons, the rock, Mark Henry, none of the NOD have ever did a shoot interview and talked about how DX ruined them with a parity. So the NWL was doing the same heel tactics the four Horsemen we’re doing in the 80s to Dusty but since we live in the world of the Internet where it’s trendy to hate Kliq members It must be taken as that they had something personal against the horseman and this was somehow a way to get them more money blah blah blah blah blah. That’s bullshit. I do agree that there really was no reason to have Curt join the NWO, Yes he did win the US title shortly after that but as soon as he lost the US title he was pretty much put in the back of the bus. When people talk about the NWO getting too big and they’re throwing T-shirts on everyone it always pisses me off when they start rattling off names and they say guys like Vincent , every group needs to have flunkies. Vincent was one of the original guys when the original T-shirts first came out that was wearing one. Of course Curt Hennig, Bret Hart, Stevie Ray and Bryan Adams or bigger stars and more over than Vincent but to me all those guys should’ve never joined. I agree with the idea that too many new people joined in 1998 but you can’t roll that up into a big ball and blame all the NWO members for that. That’s why Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and Sean Waldman created the Wolfpack because they weren’t really in charge of the NWO, You see boys and girls the NWO was a wrestling gimmick, it wasn’t real and members didn’t really have a say on who joined or not. I’m not saying there’s things that went wrong I’m just saying we need to point the blame where they deserve to and to me most of the blame for WCW’s downfall at the beginning of 1999 I would put on Hogan, who I am a fan of, Eric Bischoff And Terry Taylor.
The flaw in your argument is the parody never produced any payback and it was parodying a guy's legit retirement from a legit injury ending a legendary career. NoD didn't get buried by the DX parody and hadn't been getting beat up and never getting any payback. It's not a good comparison at all. Even in the Horsemen's heyday they would get their asses handed to them in the big matches to payoff all their heel tactics leading up to the matches. From 6:10 on between Arn and Conrad they make it plain as day.
Since Terry Taylor is generally considered a knockoff Ric Flair that the actual insidious parody angle idea was his adds a level of intrigue.🤔😡🎤🐴💎🤼♂️B.W.
Curt would have been a phenomenal Horseman. They were historically smaller, more technically gifted wrestlers, with a big "enforcer" (although that was Arns nickname)..I thought no one wouldve been a better horseman than Curt with the exception of Benoit or Malenko, and theyve been there.
Benoit, Malenko and a very old looking Flair are 100% the reason why the Horsemen were midcard trash by the late 1990s. It needed to be a fresh group of charismatic assholes like Hennig & Jericho managed by Flair as the JJ Dillon of the group. The 2 vanilla midgets are the antithesis of what the Horsemen were and what got them over in the first place; Charisma and trash talking.
I didn't even get a chance to listen to this interview before making a comment I remember when that happened I was sitting in the living room you have a two-time combat veteran Marine mad as hell crying because of the way they did Ric Flair the dirtiest player in the game that pink robe getting all tore up and I was livid I would have been one of those fans who would have got the s*** beat out of him by the boys in the back but I wouldn't have went down without a fight but I still would have went to jail and if you had a picture of being livid was a person it would have been me
I've never completely understood why some guys basically refused to play the baby face role.
WCW should have profited millions with the Horsemen during the Bischoff era...Imagine Flair, Benoit, Mongo, Hennig, and Arn as the Manager. They could have run angles and packed arenas for at least 2 years!
@Brandi lord I know right. LOL He was the worse ever.
Malenko yes Mongo 🤣
Mongo sucked
Curt Hennig, Dean Malenko, and Chris Benoit were all perfectly made for the Horsemen style. It’s a shame that it never really fleshed itself out on screen in WCW. NWO could have came & gone, but the Horsemen should have always been a badge of honor passed from one generation to the next, in an alternate universe where WCW won the Monday Night Wars and Nitro stayed on television.
In 1998ish, the only force that could really clear-out the nWo was Sting and possible team-ups with DDP, Big Show, and Lex Luger. I don't think the Four Horsemen could've cleared-out the nWo like that, but I think it would've been a little too uninteresting if the Four Horsemen was around to team-up with Sting, DDP, Big Show, and Luger; because then the good guys may have had *too much* strength with which to beat the bad guys.
Related to Four Horsemen membership: I tend to think that Horsemen members should be big-ish, classy, wealthy high-level workers who could fit into a sinister, intellectual secret society. I think Hennig was a perfect fit. I think Mongo was an awful fit. I think Jarrett and Malenko would've been okay, but both were too small. Chris Benoit and Brian Pillman were pretty good (despite being a little small). Bret Hart would've been pretty good.
I think an ideal Four Horsemen line-up all-time would've been something like Kurt Hennig, Paul Orndorff, Rick Rude, and Ric Flair (and I would've included some big enforcer like Sid, Mark Callaway, or Vader; but they didn't meet my criteria of being snobbish, classy, and intellectual). And they should be working storylines where they can influence booking, influence the refereeing, engage in secret occult rituals, and are somehow involved in puppetmastering the creation and destruction of the nWo to gain increased power and profit.
So basically Kevin Sullivan he did mst of that before the nwo was a thing
Hennig should have stayed with the Horsemen.
I remembered being terrified as a kid of Arn Anderson after hearing one of his promos on Dusty Rhodes and being actually afraid for Dusty.
Sean Bates yes I remember that lol.
Arn always had that magic about him when he spoke, much like Jake Roberts
@@ComicBookGuy420 Great promos!
Obviously, a triumphant night for the Horsemen was a no-brainer there - for me, for Arn, for all the Winston-Salem fans... but not for the powers-that-be in WCW, at the time. Obviously.
And yet it would have been so easy to please everyone: the Horsemen win in the cage... They raise the cage... The nWo attacks - full force. Why would they accept defeat? Why would they limit themselves to just 4 members that night? (Okay, they had 5 once they added Curt...! But even then - they were used to flood the ring!) So let's see most of the nWo out there - injure Flair, so he gets his time off. But, to preserve the triumphal overall aspect of the night, have the rest of WCW rally right there and then (like they finally did, on Nitro, but it was maybe a year later?) and they drive away the bad guys.
They could have done this.
They chose not to.
They chose to go with a ''shocking finish'' instead, something no one expected... I see Bischoff's hand in this!
It made no sense though: because, although Hennig had wrestled Flair out of the old WWF before, he had feuded with Hogan first and clearly hated him more. It makes no sense then, storywise, that he'd turn on the Horsemen to become subservient to his old foe that he never beat!
Very disappointing finish, yes: only possibly topped by the disappointment, right now, of seeing a WWE 2K20 commercial coming on here, right after listening to Arn...!!!
Curt Hennig is arguably one of the top ten wrestlers of all-time, yet WCW thought otherwise.
Only company that seemed to have that view is AWA who made him a World Champ.
@@soulofanerd9364 I agree. The WWF gave him a push, but only because of the Mr Perfect gimmick.
@@gregorykrug8034 sure. They pushed guys like Kerry Von Erich, Rick Rude, Ted DiBiase, but not as far as they could have in the case of Rude, DiBiase and Hennig. And yes gimmicks like Million Dollar Man and Mr Perfect seemed more important than titles to Vince and company. I guess if Curt had had the brand split era he might've had a run or two as the top champ on each show but who knows?
certainly it wasted Curt Hennig. in the horsemen he's freaking Curt Hennig. In NWO he's a JAG.
Curt Hennig was the perfect addition to The 4Horseman. With Chris Benoit and Ric Flair The stable would have been unstoppable. My only discordant note was Mongo as a wrestler. Mongo would have been perfect as a bodyguard like "Chyna" in DX. And for last Bret Hart as cherry on top. He would have fit in the group like a glove.
I remember the Nitro after this match they showed the picture of Ric Flair on the stretcher after Curt Henning slammed the door on his head. I don't know why but to me it looked like Ric Flair was dead to me in that photo and it just disturbed the hell out of me. He really just looked dead to me in that image. I hate sounding like a whimp but that just shocked me.
I am a firm believer that the original IV Horsemen was the best IV Horsemen. None or the IV Horsemen groups that followed the originals touched the originals in my view and I know Arn agrees.
To me personally the Horsemen of th Monday Night Wars era just never worked for me. That is no disrespect to any of the members of that era but to me most of all of them outside of Flair and Arn just felt like the round peg in the square hole. But the one exception to that rule was Curt Henning. Curt Henning could have been an awesome fit as a member of the IV Horsemen! The way they cut the legs out of that one before it could even get off the ground was just stupid and a prime example of why WCW's corpse is currently rotting in the grave yard of now dead wrestling promotions. No vision! They were stuck with the NWO and once that gimmick began to fizzle they never could figure out how to move forward.
I could imagine that if they had Henning and then when Bret Hart came to WCW and then maybe Lex Luger as another member (once again) or maybe even Booker T that would have been an impressive stable!
100 percent agree with double AA!!!!
Wow...huge point to the "What-If" column....even though it would' have been a short term dividend....If CH would have been a true Horseman strong for a while...and def including a win that night...IN Horsemen Country! With that future talent! They shit the bed, bad, on that one.
At that time as a fan I was glad the horsemen lost. Now looking back and being an adult I see the other angle Arn speaks of clearly.
Can't wait 'till we get that Sid episode. You know it's gonna be podcast gold.
The scissors😂
Arn is 100 percent rite about this!
I can’t disagree that Curt would of legitimized the Horsemen. Still Hennig and Rude were the two best heel personas in the nWo outside of Hogan Hall and Nash. The nWo colors just made them more bad ass. Curts own son said he loved being in the nWo. To me that’s what matters. I’m sure Curt could of choose to stay with the horsemen if he wanted to. I doubt Bischoff made him. The biggest failure in WCW was not booking Curt and Brett Hart more. They had an awful ppv match and even worse match on tv that was barely three minutes and was interrupted. Brett said it was a shame most of there matches weren’t televised in WWF.
Truest statement. They should have ran a program with Perfect and Rude VS Hall n Nash. It would have packed houses
@@bigdaddy2343 Rude couldn't wrestle due to a neck issue, he would had been in a wheelchair had he wrestled
I'd actually have been more shocked to run into Ric Flair at a Harris Teeter than I would Joan Rivers.
You guys need come to Virginia
I agree with and like what Arn had to say about that Night and where is the Pay off,both sides half to survuve
I agree
Anyone know the name of theme song that plays at the end of the videos?
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Hearing Bischoff talk im convinced he was never high on the Horsemen
Flair Hennig Malenko Benoit without McMichael would have been awesome.
How does Conrad have all this time to do these various podcast?
Average man works 8-10 hours a day. Plenty of time.
imho this event/match/hennig turn was the beginning of the end of WCW
That would of be awesome
Curt would have been a great horseman in the 80’s and early 90’s but by this time, curt was too big for either faction. They should have had him start a separate with Curt, DDP and a few other AWA guys. It could have worked.
I'd go one further and despite the NWO being a brainchild of Eric Bischoff, due to the beginnings of the group, it would make more sense for Eric to stay against the NWO and have his own Dangerous Alliance basically.
Curt could have temporarily replaced Flair as the leader of The Horsemen, then led to an amazing feud for that role when “The Nature Boy” returned. That would have been MUCH more entertaining than having literally everyone in WCW in the NWO.
That was the last straw for me. I was already pissed with the tired NWO angle and Bischoff constantly taking a piss on the Horsemen and all things that had to do with the old school NWA/WCW heritage.
I stopped watching pro wrestling for several years after this fiasco and Bischoff's middle finger to old school NWA fans like myself.
I thought Curt was as perfect as a horseman could be. Wish ye never left it.
And is right,we I never knew he was mad about that lol,But if RIC was having surgery, and gonna be gone,that's probably why they didn't wanna do anything with the Horsemen anyway,Plus if I remember correctly, Henning kinda just got there,And only did a couple ppv,s then he joined NWO and was US champ for awhile,so they did give him something to do,But as a baby face Curt could fight Hogan even,and you know Hulk loved wrestling him and would have loved to pin him on like 4 ppv,s,Then move Henning,over to team with Benoit vs Hall and Nash,and ARN can be there manager,it woulda been a year of television!!!
Possibly could have saved his life. You never know!
I understand what Arn is saying, but the Horseman were a relic of the past by the late 90"s. The Horsemen may have still been a southern draw in a few towns, but not in North America as a whole. Eric was looking at being a national brand. Notwithstanding, Curt could have had a great feud with Hogan without the Horseman or anyone. He was perfect!!!
Curt would've been a PERFECT fit!! Definitely a lost chance and would've been a great rivalry....oh well
Horsemen should have been Flair, Windham, Malenko, Benoit, managed by Arn. They should have aligned with the WCW guys - Booker T, Sting, DDP, Goldberg, and Savage should have been a WCW guy as well. Those guys should have all had a real feud with the NWO and I wish I could go back and book that. Horsemen should have been a real thing and respected. And Bischoff did niot respect or understand what ythe Horsemen meant to WCW/NWA history, and he even admitted that. It's a crying shame. Truly. What might have been would have made WCW SO much better.
this is my new tuesday wrestling program. not only does NWA power come out on tuesdays but i get to listen to a sane wrestling program instead of cornette and his terrible politics and one man assault team against trump and anything holy..lol
Who was the booker?
Eric Bischoff
Would love to see ARN run NWA Jim cornet, Greg Ganga. Would bring legacy to it and experience.
I agree turning Curt to the NWO was not a good idea, especially for that match. But it wasn't like WCW couldn't overcome that. They had chances. Starrcade 1997 should have been a clean win for Sting. It ended in controversy. The following year, you have Goldberg lose to Nash. Bad idea. And then, Nash v Hogan was highly anticipated. What do you do? You have Hogan poke Nash in the chest, get the 1-2-3, and NWO is reunited (sort of). Most important, though, is outside of Goldberg, no major star was created, which would have helped to ease the wind down of the NWO angle.
Envoy excellent points there.
I agree with everything you say EXCEPT for no new stars being created. What do you call DDP, Booker T and Scott Steiner?!?
@@ivanfranceschi9139 okay, I'll at least admit that the DDP point is valid, because Savage did get him over when WCW was at the top. I probably would agree with Booker T and Scott Steiner more, except Booker T was relegated to being a mid-carder until the last year of WCW, when the product was going downhill, and Steiner, while getting pushed, was also linked to the NWO right up until late 1999, early 2000. What I was getting at here, was that 1998 was when WCW should have slowly weeded out the NWO and elevate other guys to main event levels, and they didn't do it to the extent that they should have.
Mr Perfect left because he heard Cornette was working on a ' Dad Bods' angle with Arn and Tully. He didn't want to be associated with the gimmick, so he told Flair to piss off and stick his 4 horseman spot ...😂
Every group after Blanchard left were Horsemen in name only.
Wah
Without Tully the Horseman were dead, plus at that time WCW was starting in their death spiral. Basically wrestling was dying, the regional's were circuits were all but gone, Vince the dick and Ted Turner were gobbling up everything and spitting most wrestlers into a spitune
The only reason I saw having Curt Join NWO was he was a ex WWF Guy.Buy Curt was a Textbook Horseman,(ring sjill,mic work, accolades over years in the business and of a lot of the past horsemen who had no business being in that group,like Mongo,Roma,Sid ...)him in the 4H would've freshen up the the group and had a legit superstar in that group to replace double A
The horsemen would have been on par with the NWO instead of a group that became a shell of itself
Curt would have been great in the Horsemen with Flair in the JJ role and Barry Windham, Chris Jericho and A.N Other (maybe even Bret Hart if the timing was right).
If you want to talk about having no business ever being Horsemen, then Benoit & Malenko are the 2 prime examples. Horsemen were cocky and charismatic pricks. Those 2 were charisma vacuum midgets that made the Horsemen into a strictly midcard act.
@@handsolo1209 ok you're not wrong in my mind ,BUT Benoit and Maleko were bad ass workhorses in the ring,but as Wrestling personalities they were boring AF,but their gimmick was they're "WRESTLERS" and the Horsemen always had great Wrestlers/Workers in the Stable,no matter what
@@Filmation77 = No, the Horsemen were always top guys. Flair was the NWA Champion and a great talker. Arn & Ole were a great tag team and were both great talkers. Tully was TV champion and a great talker. They could all wrestle, but it was the charisma and talking that got them over so well. Benoit & Malenko were great cruiserweight midcarders, no doubt about that, but put those 2 in any group and the group becomes mediocre.
Benoit & Malenko instead of Hall & Nash? nWo sucks
Benoit & Malenko instead of Austin & Rude? Dangerous Alliance sucks
Benoit & Malenko instead of Road Dogg & Billy Gunn? DX sucks.
Nah, those 2 being put in the Horsemen was the death knell for the group and they should have been losing to everyone they faced.
@@handsolo1209 eh...not all the Horsemen were Top guys Mongo was a Shit Wrestler and lame on the stick(but for some reason Ric and Arn liked him as a Shoot *SMH* Paul Roma TBH showed potential in WWF's Power and Glory tag team,let's just say that Roma was what Brian Pillman COULD'VE been
The Horsemen combo I would've loved to seen would be Flair, Arn,Ted Diebase and Paul Orndorff!! That wouldve been ON!!! Imo
Frankly, I saw it coming.
Curt was lost in the shuffle. This would have led to Brett being recruited by his friend Curt and given him purpose. Mongo replaced by DDP- Bodyguards of WCW would have prolonged collapse
Henning in nwo kept him cool , but I think he should have stayed horsemen , he coulda rebuild his last few years , having a legit spit on a team not being back ground noice to Hogan ,hall ,Nash etc , he could have challenge for world title atleast.... Plus he was 39 in 97 if I was him I'd stayed horsemen unless boss said no
They definitely overloaded the nWo and it became a bloated beast. The Horseman should have won and Curt should have been groomed for a top spot. WCW had so much going for them and the decline definitely started here.
EZ E actually defended the decision. And we wonder why WCW lost 15 mil in 99.
Mr. Perfect didn't need the Four Horsemen. He was over without them. He was perfect without them.
Curt would have been perfect fit for horsemen
This reminds me of the Nexus they should have gone over yes it's a in reverse yet amplies here