The line on the reel doesn’t change or impact the gear ratio. It affects the inches per turn but the ratio is in the gear and no matter how much line is on the spool, an 8:1 (or any speed for that matter) will always turn 8 times per handle turn. As the diameter of the spool increases with more line on it, it just picks more line with each turn but is still turning 8 times per handle turn. Also on 7:1 or 8:1 reels for oversized cranks, deep cranking or any high resistance baits swap the handle out for a 105-120mm handle and you'll get way more torque out of it than any 5 or 6:1 on the market that has a handle 100mm or less. For those that want Lew's reels but at a cheaper price go with Doyo reels. It's a Korean feel manufacturer that makes the reels for Lew's you can get the same reel that looks sleeker for considerably less. Me personally: insert meme of Shimano and Daiwa make the best reels, change my mind! Lol!
Either way you say it it still the same outcome. I know the ration doesn’t change but this was about taking up line as fast as possible which doesn’t really matter how you skin the cat, you still skin the cat.
I’m gonna show my age here. I remember when a 5500C 5-1 was a high speed reel. It had a sticker on the side that said high speed. Reels have really changed over the years!
The old 5000-4500 series reels have bigger diameter spool, so it takes a higher gear ratio to pull in as much line, per handle turn, with the new-age low profile reels (smaller spools).
The Lews BB1 Pro is absolutely one of the best reels money can buy and I own some of the most expensive reels on the market. Absolutely love to crank the big boys with the old style BB1 Pro.
Good video, I'm still using 30 plus year old shimanos, when they bite the dust I do get the higher gear ratio for exactly what you presented here. Keep up the great work.
Remember an old Bill Dance show where he wanted to slow down his retrieve speed cranking and did not fill his spool all the way. I appreciate you breaking down the finer points.
Yup, got a box full of old reels my self. Man have things changed for the better over the years, some times technology is a good thing. Great info as always, 👍
Todd I think what your saying is a reel spool that starts with a larger diameter will take up more line per handle turn. The small diameter spools defeats the purpose of the gear ratio. You definitely make a good point. I thought the idea of putting a lot of "backing line" was silly but really had to be done on those old reels
Great video and excellent points. Actually the ratio doesn’t change as the line is farther down into the reel. What changes is how much line is recovered with each crank of the handle. So the retrieve speed gets faster as the spool is fuller to the top.
Great explanation on reels,the line on the spool is a huge deal,I see guys all the time with hardly any line and wonder why their fish got off,If you can't catch up to them you ain't catchin em,lol,great video Todd
Todd, off topic and I know you're a fan of Xplasma (me too especially for baitcasters) but for spinning reels you gotta try Sunline D-braid with D-leader and/or V hard leader. D-braid sinks and is the best spinning feel braid available and those 2 leader materials are amazing.
Was reading an article about spool sizes , in Japan they are going to shallower spools and its expected that the US market will eventually follow suit resulting in most reels holding 70 ft of line or less
Most my reels is 7 gear ratio, only few are 8 gear ratio just for frog and punching thick cover, but prefer shallow spool, because deep spool to me is only wasting line and money on buying line, plus is you're on a boat or water craft (canoe or kayak) you don't need deep spool unless you fish from shore
The line recovery rate is what you're referring to. The gear ratio stays the same. "Back in the day" for me is late 70's, Ambassador 4500c, 5500c. We had 4.8 to 1 that recovered about 19 inches of line per turn with a full spool. The spools were slightly larger in diameter because we didn't have "low profile" reels yet. Diawa came out with one that recovered 31 inches per turn, I dont remember the gearing on it but it was fast.
Yes and for the purpose of the video i was putting it in layman terms. Yes the gear ratio doesn’t change but people understand 7:1, and a 7:1 gear ratio doesn’t act the same with less line. Regardless of inches per turn or gear ratio the outcome is the same on what I was talking about. Larger line spool with a higher gear ratio gives you “ line recovery rate”, or “ you are able to take up more line at a faster rate. One I have found people understand better. They also don’t take into how big the reel spool is and how much line you truly have on the reel. Not to mention the line size.
Like I said before always good to hear from a pro I'm stuck on the bank I definitely like my lews u have any summertime bank fishing suggestions plz make a video Todd thanks Chris from Foreverfishingillinois
Spool them old reels up and give um to kids who are serious about fishing, I give many of my old rods and reels to kids that are dis advantaged and the caretakers can not afford the gear for the kids, just a thought.
i use the diawa tatula type r reel which they haven't made for awhile but they are work horses and feel so good - i always try and find deep spools and these have them - so my question is i have had a hard time going up on gear ratio that's so high that i loose cranking power , so i only have a couple 8.1 reels and a bunch 6.3 , so what are your thoughts on cranking power vs speed? thanks brother!
I think, by “larger handle,” he meant longer crank. (The handle, to me, is just the knob.) A longer crank increases leverage, which increases power. That partly compensates for the power lost to higher speed. The downside is that the rotating parts wear out sooner. My opinion isn’t from experience; it’s Physics 101.
Higher speed reels will have weaker gears...typically. Meaning that working a bait with a lot of drag, will literally be a drag. Also, if you're fishing an application where you need to pick up a lot of slack often, a high speed reel will make that a much easier application.
True but most bass won't break gears, so thats usually not the case. Its why I only use the super duty's for frog fishing. First reel I've ever owned where I don't strip the gears out in 3 to 4 months.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 true story. But when you're throwing a big 4-6oz swimbait for bass, those gears will strip eventually. Especially on aluminum gears. The bass do not have enough power to strip the gears, but one backlash while casting any bait over 4oz, and if your reel engages mid cast... bye bye gears lol. It also puts a lot of wear and tear on them just from working a bait that size for a long period. Same goes for working deep diving cranks like 10xds. The bigger gears will give you greater power and torque for working baits like that.
Todd its roland mcClendon the old bb1 pro compared with the new bb1 pro 2021 i own both but like the older one better can i get how you feel about the new one
(Revised) Summary: Look for a handle with a larger diameter. (See Todd’s reply to this comment.) A handle with a larger diameter has more leverage. That’s important because there’s a trade off between speed and power. The long crank partly compensates for the power that a higher ratio costs you. Todd prefers a deeper spool and avoids wider spools to avoid backlash. For a given diameter of the spooled line, a narrower spool holds less line. As the line unspools, the diameter decreases. So, as line unspools, the inches per turn (effective ratio) decreases faster with a narrower spool. A long cast gives you more power and less speed at first. As the lure gets closer, the power decreases and the speed increases. Something to be aware of. I think it would be a lot more useful if reel manufacturers used a range of inches per turn instead of a gear ratio. Example: 15” per turn at empty spool to 30” per turn at full spool.
Wider spool or "DEEPER SPOOL" I like a deeper spool. Wider spools don't cast as great and tend to backlash more. They are not as good for skipping either.
The reel spool spins the same number of times, that’s constant. 8:1 = 8 spins per handle revolution, 7:1 =7 spool spins per handle turn, etc. The effective diameter of the spool(the spool is a fixed diameter piece of metal) plus the spooled line changes based on how much line is on the spool. Less line on the spool equals a smaller diameter and the spool takes up less line per turn. More line on the spool and the spool takes up more line per turn
And to add even more nuance, the effective diameter will change at different speeds depending on how wide or narrow the line bearing section of the spool is - narrow spool will decrease in effective diameter more quickly as line comes off when you cast compared to a wider spool
C'mon Todd ... you are wrong! ....where did you get your engineering degree! Gear ration is gear ratio ....it doesn't change .... a 5 to 1 ratio means the spool goes around 5 times, per one revolution of the handle ..... nothing can change that, without stripping the gears. What does change, is the amount of line you are taking up per one revolution of the crank, and that depends on the diameter of the spool which changes with the amount of line, the width of the spool, and whether it is a v spool or a straight sided spool. A wide spool that is fairly deep, is more consistent with line take up ..... of course I knew that you meant line take up as the variable you were speaking of, but because you said it wrong, I felt I needed to pull your chain a bit! I still have four of my old ABU 5500C that were 5 to 1, and they still have the HI-SPEED sticker on them.
Dude did I win something I got a message this morning from you telling me to text Lol I have no idea. But it's the second time It's on the snagging fish comment...just sayen
Love the channel...on this I disagree on high gear.. remember todd low gear more torque... to get fish out.. gman explains it better but we can't agree on everything. I agree with you on 90% of stuff... here not plug g but just watch he explains why low gear to me is better th-cam.com/video/kUXmiJ4n0nU/w-d-xo.html
Yea I agree with that but I never mentioned torque it was about taking up line faster. I rarely need more torque during bass fishing just when flipping heavy cover and even that’s usually not the case. It’s really just frog fishing and even then I don’t need torque I just need the gears not to bust
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 100% correct buddy I've been watching u since you started and todd you keep it REAL NOT BS OR FAKE STUFF GLAD TO SEE IN THIS INDUSTRY
Drag all the the way down and hit them as hard as you can will break a most reels eventually sometimes within the first hour. I’ve been through countless reels and different brands until I found one that won’t break. That super duty hasn’t yet after years. Some might say don’t set the hook that hard, or loosen the drag, or lighter rod. I laugh at those comments. My job is to fish my way and as hard as I can I wont change I’ll just find better equipment. If we all settled we would never build anything great.
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The line on the reel doesn’t change or impact the gear ratio. It affects the inches per turn but the ratio is in the gear and no matter how much line is on the spool, an 8:1 (or any speed for that matter) will always turn 8 times per handle turn. As the diameter of the spool increases with more line on it, it just picks more line with each turn but is still turning 8 times per handle turn.
Also on 7:1 or 8:1 reels for oversized cranks, deep cranking or any high resistance baits swap the handle out for a 105-120mm handle and you'll get way more torque out of it than any 5 or 6:1 on the market that has a handle 100mm or less.
For those that want Lew's reels but at a cheaper price go with Doyo reels. It's a Korean feel manufacturer that makes the reels for Lew's you can get the same reel that looks sleeker for considerably less. Me personally: insert meme of Shimano and Daiwa make the best reels, change my mind! Lol!
Either way you say it it still the same outcome. I know the ration doesn’t change but this was about taking up line as fast as possible which doesn’t really matter how you skin the cat, you still skin the cat.
You are correct sir
You would need a 152m handle to maintain the same torque if you are swapping from 5:1 with a 95mm handle to 8:1.
@@christopherascherl2411 nice! Formula?
@@dustinwalker8152 L1/R1=L2/R2
I’m gonna show my age here. I remember when a 5500C 5-1 was a high speed reel. It had a sticker on the side that said high speed. Reels have really changed over the years!
The old 5000-4500 series reels have bigger diameter spool, so it takes a higher gear ratio to pull in as much line, per handle turn, with the new-age low profile reels (smaller spools).
Yep and to this day I still use them!! .....5500C3
Still run the old ABUs on big baits glides big swim baits etc. There tanks!
I've still got a pre-thumbar 4500c and 5500c, with the push button freespool. Takes about half a crank to engage the gears
My first baitcaster was the green 5000 D I did though mess around with the old Shakespeare type metal reels with the old multi colored braid.
I agree. To me a reel pretty much just holds line. The main thing to me is a perfect rod. I agree. Thanks for explaining the ratios
The Lews BB1 Pro is absolutely one of the best reels money can buy and I own some of the most expensive reels on the market. Absolutely love to crank the big boys with the old style BB1 Pro.
Good video, I'm still using 30 plus year old shimanos, when they bite the dust I do get the higher gear ratio for exactly what you presented here. Keep up the great work.
Remember an old Bill Dance show where he wanted to slow down his retrieve speed cranking and did not fill his spool all the way. I appreciate you breaking down the finer points.
Yup, got a box full of old reels my self. Man have things changed for the better over the years, some times technology is a good thing. Great info as always, 👍
Todd I think what your saying is a reel spool that starts with a larger diameter will take up more line per handle turn. The small diameter spools defeats the purpose of the gear ratio.
You definitely make a good point.
I thought the idea of putting a lot of "backing line" was silly but really had to be done on those old reels
Great video and excellent points. Actually the ratio doesn’t change as the line is farther down into the reel. What changes is how much line is recovered with each crank of the handle. So the retrieve speed gets faster as the spool is fuller to the top.
Correct gear ratio is fixed, amount of line picked up per handle turn is what changes
0bviously I have way to many CU 200 greens in the box. Thankfully also some newer stuff. Thanks Todd.
Good stuff always. 👍
Great explanation on reels,the line on the spool is a huge deal,I see guys all the time with hardly any line and wonder why their fish got off,If you can't catch up to them you ain't catchin em,lol,great video Todd
I really enjoyed your take on it because I tend to agree. And you're opposite some of the other guys out there.
First thing I look for in a reel is an alloy/ aluminum frame. Had bad experiences with graphite/ “carbon” frames flexing.
Todd, off topic and I know you're a fan of Xplasma (me too especially for baitcasters) but for spinning reels you gotta try Sunline D-braid with D-leader and/or V hard leader. D-braid sinks and is the best spinning feel braid available and those 2 leader materials are amazing.
Was reading an article about spool sizes , in Japan they are going to shallower spools and its expected that the US market will eventually follow suit resulting in most reels holding 70 ft of line or less
Most my reels is 7 gear ratio, only few are 8 gear ratio just for frog and punching thick cover, but prefer shallow spool, because deep spool to me is only wasting line and money on buying line, plus is you're on a boat or water craft (canoe or kayak) you don't need deep spool unless you fish from shore
The line recovery rate is what you're referring to. The gear ratio stays the same. "Back in the day" for me is late 70's, Ambassador 4500c, 5500c. We had 4.8 to 1 that recovered about 19 inches of line per turn with a full spool. The spools were slightly larger in diameter because we didn't have "low profile" reels yet. Diawa came out with one that recovered 31 inches per turn, I dont remember the gearing on it but it was fast.
Yes and for the purpose of the video i was putting it in layman terms. Yes the gear ratio doesn’t change but people understand 7:1, and a 7:1 gear ratio doesn’t act the same with less line. Regardless of inches per turn or gear ratio the outcome is the same on what I was talking about. Larger line spool with a higher gear ratio gives you “ line recovery rate”, or “ you are able to take up more line at a faster rate. One I have found people understand better. They also don’t take into how big the reel spool is and how much line you truly have on the reel. Not to mention the line size.
I have never thought of this that way. Nice post bro.
Like I said before always good to hear from a pro I'm stuck on the bank I definitely like my lews u have any summertime bank fishing suggestions plz make a video Todd thanks Chris from Foreverfishingillinois
Used to have a abu Royal express for deep divers back in the day, 3.8-1 lol
Spool them old reels up and give um to kids who are serious about fishing, I give many of my old rods and reels to kids that are dis advantaged and the caretakers can not afford the gear for the kids, just a thought.
Hey Todd Ill buy one of those old Green Bantam Curado's if your ever interested in selling one.
That E series shimano curado is worth a bunch these days.
Still my FAVORITE reels.
Absolutely fantastic video really appreciate the advice thanks 👍
i use the diawa tatula type r reel which they haven't made for awhile but they are work horses and feel so good - i always try and find deep spools and these have them - so my question is i have had a hard time going up on gear ratio that's so high that i loose cranking power , so i only have a couple 8.1 reels and a bunch 6.3 , so what are your thoughts on cranking power vs speed? thanks brother!
I think, by “larger handle,” he meant longer crank. (The handle, to me, is just the knob.) A longer crank increases leverage, which increases power. That partly compensates for the power lost to higher speed. The downside is that the rotating parts wear out sooner.
My opinion isn’t from experience; it’s Physics 101.
Love your shows I hav a question which reel do you use for frog fishing gear ratio
Higher speed reels will have weaker gears...typically. Meaning that working a bait with a lot of drag, will literally be a drag. Also, if you're fishing an application where you need to pick up a lot of slack often, a high speed reel will make that a much easier application.
True but most bass won't break gears, so thats usually not the case. Its why I only use the super duty's for frog fishing. First reel I've ever owned where I don't strip the gears out in 3 to 4 months.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 true story. But when you're throwing a big 4-6oz swimbait for bass, those gears will strip eventually. Especially on aluminum gears. The bass do not have enough power to strip the gears, but one backlash while casting any bait over 4oz, and if your reel engages mid cast... bye bye gears lol. It also puts a lot of wear and tear on them just from working a bait that size for a long period. Same goes for working deep diving cranks like 10xds. The bigger gears will give you greater power and torque for working baits like that.
Agree with the 4oz bait
Todd saw that green E7 , I am a old guy would you sell it ? If not it’s cool. Watch all your stuff best there is.
Daiwa Millionaire was my favorite back in the day
Would you consider selling any of the old reels
I buy all my Metaniums in XG, ski the fish in to avoid them coming off
Todd its roland mcClendon the old bb1 pro compared with the new bb1 pro 2021 i own both but like the older one better can i get how you feel about the new one
Great video! Didn't know any of this.
Man, the Todd Castledine Garage Sale, when is that?
Damn dude ever think maybe you don’t have enough fishing gear
Nice content. Cool t-shirt!
(Revised) Summary: Look for a handle with a larger diameter. (See Todd’s reply to this comment.)
A handle with a larger diameter has more leverage. That’s important because there’s a trade off between speed and power. The long crank partly compensates for the power that a higher ratio costs you.
Todd prefers a deeper spool and avoids wider spools to avoid backlash.
For a given diameter of the spooled line, a narrower spool holds less line. As the line unspools, the diameter decreases. So, as line unspools, the inches per turn (effective ratio) decreases faster with a narrower spool.
A long cast gives you more power and less speed at first. As the lure gets closer, the power decreases and the speed increases. Something to be aware of.
I think it would be a lot more useful if reel manufacturers used a range of inches per turn instead of a gear ratio. Example: 15” per turn at empty spool to 30” per turn at full spool.
Wider spool or "DEEPER SPOOL" I like a deeper spool. Wider spools don't cast as great and tend to backlash more. They are not as good for skipping either.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 Thanks, Todd. I will correct what I wrote.
Will u sign a old reel and send it to me ? Your the goat
Good points. 👍
My first baitcaster was the old Quantum 1310 MG 5 :1🤣
So the less line on the reel, the fewer times the reel spins for each rotation on the handle? Is it like some sort of cv gear system in you reels?
The reel spool spins the same number of times, that’s constant. 8:1 = 8 spins per handle revolution, 7:1 =7 spool spins per handle turn, etc. The effective diameter of the spool(the spool is a fixed diameter piece of metal) plus the spooled line changes based on how much line is on the spool. Less line on the spool equals a smaller diameter and the spool takes up less line per turn. More line on the spool and the spool takes up more line per turn
And to add even more nuance, the effective diameter will change at different speeds depending on how wide or narrow the line bearing section of the spool is - narrow spool will decrease in effective diameter more quickly as line comes off when you cast compared to a wider spool
Very well put.
I’ll take all those old Curados Reels!
How about throwing out some juicy frogging tips and tricks ol boy? 👀
So many people don't understand this concept. Empty spool = lower gear ratio.
Curado 200E7 was the best reel ever made! I still use mine. Love the 1977 shirt btw.
I’d take those green curado 200E7s over any Lews reel made
Ok
Dam homey, I need the star drag off that exact model Antares. Sell it to me? I'll paypal u right now. Great video by the way.
You wanna sell any of those old shimanos ?
Yes
I was going to ask the same. Makes me sad 😞 to see them setting in a cardboard box.
C'mon Todd ... you are wrong! ....where did you get your engineering degree! Gear ration is gear ratio ....it doesn't change .... a 5 to 1 ratio means the spool goes around 5 times, per one revolution of the handle ..... nothing can change that, without stripping the gears. What does change, is the amount of line you are taking up per one revolution of the crank, and that depends on the diameter of the spool which changes with the amount of line, the width of the spool, and whether it is a v spool or a straight sided spool. A wide spool that is fairly deep, is more consistent with line take up ..... of course I knew that you meant line take up as the variable you were speaking of, but because you said it wrong, I felt I needed to pull your chain a bit! I still have four of my old ABU 5500C that were 5 to 1, and they still have the HI-SPEED sticker on them.
No I know it doesn’t change I said it doesn’t act the same
Go back and read what TODD has been saying all along, exactly what you said in your comment!!! I think you owe TODD an apology!!!
Is anybody else having problem with volume on this video
Nevermind.. earbuds Bluetoothed in an I didn't know it. LMAO 🤣✌️
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Dude did I win something I got a message this morning from you telling me to text
Lol I have no idea. But it's the second time
It's on the snagging fish comment...just sayen
Lots of scams out their ! If it says text this number to claim ! Stay away ! I get them alot all a scam !
Yea they are doing it to a lot of people right now
So no trip with the best stick on u tube. Bummer. Lmao
Lew’s makes terrible spinning reels! 👎
Insightful
so, you're telling me that my lews reels are made by fuckin ZEBCO designers?? great...
No didn't say that at all just said I got to hear what they had to say.
Love the channel...on this I disagree on high gear.. remember todd low gear more torque... to get fish out.. gman explains it better but we can't agree on everything. I agree with you on 90% of stuff... here not plug g but just watch he explains why low gear to me is better
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Yea I agree with that but I never mentioned torque it was about taking up line faster. I rarely need more torque during bass fishing just when flipping heavy cover and even that’s usually not the case. It’s really just frog fishing and even then I don’t need torque I just need the gears not to bust
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 100% correct buddy
I've been watching u since you started and todd you keep it REAL NOT BS OR FAKE STUFF
GLAD TO SEE IN THIS INDUSTRY
I have very very little experience bass fishing. So please tell me The things that are happening to break the gears when frog fishing.
Drag all the the way down and hit them as hard as you can will break a most reels eventually sometimes within the first hour. I’ve been through countless reels and different brands until I found one that won’t break. That super duty hasn’t yet after years. Some might say don’t set the hook that hard, or loosen the drag, or lighter rod. I laugh at those comments. My job is to fish my way and as hard as I can I wont change I’ll just find better equipment. If we all settled we would never build anything great.