History of WWI Primer 093: Ottoman Mauser 1893 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Mauser Bolt Rifles
Ludwig Olson
Mauser Military Rifles of the World
Robert W. D. Ball
The Birth of Modern Turkey: The Ottoman Military and the March to WWI
Handan Nezir-Akmese, Handan Nezir Akmeşe
Arming the Sultan
Naci Yorulmaz
Mauser-Gewehre und Mauser-Patente
R.H. Korn
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Additional photos thanks to Rock Island Auction
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Got to admit it. My grandpa in Mindanao own a Spanish Mauser which is a family treasure when the Spanish arrived in the Philippines he was a rebel fighting of the Spaniards when the Spanish introduced the Mauser rifles to the Philippines he was lucky enough to get one from dead Spanish soldiers which he kept treasured and passed on to our generation
Does it still fire? The tropical environment of the Philippines makes old rifles rot.
Yes but the ammunition box that carry the original rounds where soaked by water and some may not fire because it was stored for to long cause the bullets to rust
The box is wooden.. So expect the ammo quality not good but the rifle is in good shape my grandpa loved it he always keep it clean everyday when his still alive
My father is the holder of it unfortunately he used it in the mountains of Sulu and northeastern Mindanao command his a soldier by the way. I don't know where he found bullets that works. Probably he used the good ones then reused it
Do you know if your Abuelo was in the Philippines long enough to fight both the Spanish & the U.s. army?
What cosplay costume did you wear for the Project Lightening?
Some 1893/33 rifles still saw service in the Korean War under the Turkish brigade. There's a photo of them still using their WW1-era German mauser webbing. They had the bonus of using enemy 8mm ammunition from the Chinese. One commander was even a Gallipoli veteran.
They showed up with their Mausers but were quickly issued M1 Garands and taken into the US supply system as they were attached to the US 25th Division.
I know, right? Why wouldn't you use M1 Garands if they were available? @@Mike-tw1pi
@@GeneralJackRipper Bad lubricants + cold weather? That and rifle grenades are pretty much the only disadvantages the M1 Garand has to a 1893 Mauser.
@@hailexiao2770 The M1 had a rifle grenade attachment.
Well, that and the ubiquitous "BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, PING," mode of operation.
@@GeneralJackRipper The M1 did have a grenade attachment, but since it didn't have an adjustable/automatic gas system and bullet trap rifle grenades didn't exist at the time, you had to put a blank round in the chamber, and doing so with the en-bloc system is tricky. In a Mauser you just open up the action, jam the blank in the magazine and close.
As for the PING, nobody really hears it in combat, and even if they did your buddies are still firing anyway, so it's not like the enemy can actually take advantage.
Currently on my honeymoon in Hong Kong. Looks like the wife is gonna have to give me an hour.
Congrats!
Should have set it to play at a faster speed.
@Boomstick McNugget Hong Kong has actually gotten really nice recently, nothing like it was in the 90s, it's much more like Singapore nowadays, very nice and very clean
An hour!? That's not really fair considering you'll only be giving her about 30 seconds. 🤣🥒🐱🕰👎🏻
Just kidding. I'm sure you're phenomenal in the sack. I saw the shot and had to take it. Internet banter. Seriously tho, congrats.
Tom You are joking right?
37:38 'We have a thing of rare beauty and we have Mae'
oof, that burn
That's the second time I've heard him say that. One of these days Mae is going to dope slap him.
I don't think Mae is so fragile. @@jimvandemoter6961
Square bottomed bolts make the Mauser world go round.
Nice. Freddie would be proud
😂😂😂😂😂
Great Queen reference…now i want to go listen to it..;)
"Everyone thinks we're experts. But we're just determined idiots"
I need this paraphrased for a Tattoo
Extra fresh C&Rsenal. Smells like cosmoline, and cordite. I love it :)
My god I love these videos I'm glad I'm off work
Sapper 12b I actually watch these at work 😬
The Automen Empire? ROBOTS!? ROBOTTOMANS!?
AUTOMEN, ROLL OUT
We (Turks) take putting your feet up seriously.
Known as turkroach on 4chan
I'm just thinking about the Cybermen from Doctor Who with fezes on their heads.
I personally can't wait until you get out of the restrains of ww1. I love what you guys have done so far, and I'm still very excited for everything coming for ww1, but I believe your videos will be improved once you don't have to worry about staying within the scope of the first world war (such as covering the BAR but restricting yourselves to the original version). I'd love to see some second wold war content obviously, but even older episodes like the Dreyse or from neutral powers like the swiss guns would be some excellent content.
I like the WWI basis, because it covers the basis of modern fire arms: it's a great jumping off point, from a historical perspective.
If anyone is interested, the music playing while Mae was shooting is "Nikriz Longa"
@Canadian Metis Man I think the music is right since they are not looking into ww1 era rifles, but older ones.
Also getting pre 1923 recordings is painful
Tolga, thanks for the info. I really like the period music. it adds another layer to the narrative.
@@jimvandemoter6961 you are welcome
Two things:
At the time of WWI Istanbul was known as Constantinople.
Is Mae wearing a wedding ring?
Not really, Istanbul was Istanbul after the occupation in 1453. At least that's how it was known nationwide in Ottoman Empire anyway.
Sleep is for the uncommitted.
More like decaffeinated.
Was just about to sit down to watch some anime on Crunchyroll, than this notification popped up. I guess anime is going to have to wait.
I like where your priorities lie.
Is that like japanimation?
Mike, that is so cool! I just discovered Crunchyroll. I've been an anime fan since the video tape days. The first tape I bought was Akira in 1989. After that I got stuff that's even older. I'm old school.
Oh well work will have to wait. Lucky there are no bosses on 3rd shift.
Damn... I was hoping to hear more about the Spanish mauser... I have one that was a Spanish American war bring back...
My addiction is satisfied for another fortnight.
I thought the catch phrase was "War were declared!"
I know it's not rare, but my 8mm converted Turk 1893 gets run hard and it's been an absolute champ. Even handles hot ammo like a champ. No signs of lug setback or anything.
This is my favorite Mauser channel by far! Hit the like folks. This man works hard to give us such great content.
I'd rather not arm wrestle Mae, I've seen her positive push/pull action for demonstration!
Plus her ability to force the bolt where it should be, awesome Mae!!
I assume Mark Novak repairs you finds that are few and far between!
24:00: Othias proves a Mauser bolt is secretly a retractable ballpoint pen.
34:51 I can confirm as a person who has read about the Gallipoli Front in WW1. Some landing attempts in the peninsula failed due to well-positioned Ottoman soldiers, also Ottomans were in the upper hand in terms of snipers at that front, according to the resources. A certain Sergeant Yahya managed to hold off a landing conducted by the ship HMS Lord Nelson by only himself and his 67 men, for 32 hours, until every single soldier in this small unit is either dead or wounded, including the sergeant himself. The British landing force consisted of about 3,000 troops.
I just picked one up for 150.00$ it’s fun as hell to shoot the Turkish date on the side is 1313.
I have a Spainish m1916 Mauser in 7.62x51 if you're interested in using in a video it have the Guadia civil mark on it
those are the(a) bomb! lol
My m43 spanish mauser has the same mark
How long has Mae had that ring?
She married the Reichsrevolver.
Love all these vids but cant wait for the 1911 vid. My very favorite pistol!!!!!!
Question: You stated extractor was not 'snap over' yet you were dropping round into feed way and bolt readily closed.
Question 2: I know this is post WW1, but many of these upgraded to 7.92x57mm (as well as the Commission 88)are these safe to shoot the 7.92 round? BTW: Ian did a piece on some very hot Turkish 8mm, that damaged self loaders. Should this be avoided in those Turkish bolt guns?
Cana regular gew98/K98 bayonet fit on a turkish 1893 mauser? Im about to buy a turkish 1893 and itd be cool if my gew 98 bayonet would fit. Even thought its not correct
8 days late, but nope they won’t fit, the Mauser 98 and 93 have different bayonet lugs.
@@churchowl3052 ah ur right i was j/w cuz i already have a gew98 bayonet. I just got an 1893 turkish mauser from old steel for 400$. its all matching and has a mint bore! I ended up finding one of the older style bayonets with the quillion (shortened blade tho) those older bayonets are cool
Ottoman Empire mauser super!!!
I got a question. What is the status of the chauchet with your show?
Othias, I was planning to go to bed early but noted your new video, so not tonight! Your work is simply awesome and I enjoy every video you make.
I would like this guys making a Verdun gameplay
kahraman dedelerimizin ruhuna fatiha
Hmmm. Sleep or the Beard and Sea Cowboy show? Sleep or the Beard and Sea Cowboy Show?
Hard choices.
I cant wait for the swedish mauser video
One of my favorite pictures of WW1 is a trio of Belgians standing behind a rifle teepee. One of those rifles is clearly an Ottoman 93, which is kind of wild.
Nasty piece of work rifle killed many of our Australian and Kiwi soldiers at Gallipoli.
Are you going to cover WW2 guns?
Is Mae getting/or is married? What's up with the ring? Great show as always. Keep up the awesome work.
Aren't those two a married couple?
Was wondering the same thing....
Mae get married over Christmas?????
Jeez, can't people just wear wedding bands without people insinuating they're married!?
@@peterlynch1458 Oof...please tell me you're kidding. I don't think they are from the south...
@@fuzzydunlop7928 Ahhh...nope. Thats bit like wearing an army uniform and then yelling "why does everyone keep asking me where I served!?"
Excellent instructional video! The music helped you visualize the troops on line… the smell of cordite/smoke/flies and camel dung. Looking at one of these rifles right now! 👍🏼
Year 1313 in Islamic calendar. Notice the symbols repeat. Islamic numbers read from left to right while the letters are right to left. Why? I dunno. Is just how they do it.
Just FYI, I'd buy a "Determined Idiot" t-shirt.
Easy :D
The mag cutoff was ordered at the behest of the German delegation, most notably Liman Von Sanders, who thought the Ottomans could do with accuracy.
I just found you and this video. I love the old long guns. I could geek out on this shit all day.
There goes my afternoon!
ve Uzun Namlulu Mauserler Dünyadaki en Mükkemmel Keskin Nisanci Tüfegidir.
true
dürüm dürüm türkiye
the magazine cut off might have been for the us, Mauser did take the 1892 to the trials there
At 11:50 the drawing shows what looks like a 10 round capacity?
Can't wait for project lightening.
There is one for sale at local gun store. I should buy it to re enact All Quiet on the Western Front 70's version. ( Joking)
@ 28:20
That's clearly 1312; admittedly the two can look similar to the three to someone who isn't used to it. Assuming it is indeed the Rumi Calendar, it was produced in 1896.
You're welcome. :P
@ 28:25
It's not rocket science: the Rumi calendar used the Julian/Gregorian scheme for the months, but counted off from the Hijri year that the adoption of the Rumi Calendar fell on (1839 AD; the Hijri year it was adopted on was 1255 Hijri; so 1911 AD would be 72 years after 1255, so 1255+72 = 1327.). At first, it was Julian, but it was switched to Gregorian in 1917.
The reason they counted off from the Hijri year 1255 was partly to ease the transition into the new calendar (prior to the Tanzimat, the Ottomans only used Hijri).
So March of 1896 would be Mart 1312. (An Arab like me would call this adhar of 1312 Rumi, corresponding to the period from the 16th of Ramadan and the 16th of Shawwal, 1312.
Another example: Say the empire is still around: I would be a subject of it (being Palestinian and all). My birthdate would be in 1406 Rumi (I'm not saying what month or day); in Hijri it was 1410 AH, but in Gregorian it's 1990. However, the day and month for both Rumi and Gregorian would be the same (so February 1st would be 1st of Shubat; Shubat is just the word for February); only the lunar hijri calendar differs in this regard.
(Also, even if you can't tell the year from the number on there, you can be sure it wasn't made in 1313 Rumi, because the production run ran until March of 1896, not 1897).
@ 43:02
It's certainly the Arabic Alphabet, and it is beautiful.
But it's all in Ottoman Turkish. :P
Model 1893 7.65mm, Model 1893/05 still 7.65mm loss of magazine cutoff switch, Model 1893/33 same as the 1905 upgrade but change to 8mm Mauser barrel and different rear sight.
I really like this old ottoman music.
Had this rifle been available for the US trials of 1892, I firmly believe the US would've adopted it over the Krag.
The magazine cut-off had been developed for the US trials on the the 1889-92 style prototypes. Mausers prototypes #'s 3 and 5 had two different types of magazine cut-offs on their single stack magazines, with the #3 rifle having functional problems, and #5 functioning adequately allowing that rifle make it to the final round of evaluations. It seems likely to me that the 1893's cut-off was an offshoot of that development.
I saw a couple of mausers in 7 mm in a gunshop. I didn't see the markings so I don't know how made it but it was a bit of a bent bolt and cock on close with dates with like 1923 with one and a sporterized(but at least a decent job) one with a checkered stock and rebluing that was dated at 1892. The sights looked like \|/. Also they seem to lock on the follower if you don't press it don't not sure if that is typical or a special feature. They were 200 and 260 dollars receptively but I'm broke also not even sure they could handle modern loadings.
The autist in me(cause I am) wants to know what those are but my google-fu is weak.
O lord, the worst thing here is: Seeing there is a new C&Rsenal video, I can't watch it since I gotta leave for work... I guess i'll just enjoy it even more once i'll come back from my 11hrs shift.
Still, looking foward this, good job, C&Rsenal, as usual - u guys roche! (rock in French) * litteral term mind you.
This is a little late, but I've read in David Stone's The Kaiser's Army that the Mauser 98 can fire up to 30 rounds a minute. It is no surprise the Ottoman soldiers were able to put a high volume of fire into British/ANZAC lines. This this also shows how well trained they were.
I’m thoroughly enjoying this series, but every time the Ottoman Empire is mentioned the only campaign ever talked about is Gallipoli, could be because it was one of the few successes they had, the Ottomans fought all over that part of the Middle East, were there no other after action reports or comments made, either by the Ottomans or by the British/Commonwealth troops involved?
Sorry but a catchphrase is something that picks you, you don't get to pick it. And what's already picked you as a catchphrase is "War were declared"!
So her shots were off from being a little fatigued . But what a way to get fatigued at work, if we were all able to get fatigued at work that way...lol, Too bad she didn't shoot the Spanish one..Then I could say..Well I've never been to Spain..But I kinda like the music..
Kirikkale( Türkische Mauser) Dünya Tarihinde en uzun Süreli Kullanilan ve Gelistirilen Tüfektir. Görevde kalma Rekoru nu Türk Ordusu elinde tutmaktadir. Ki Ben Ilk 25 Metre 3 Nokta atisini 1938 yapimi Mauserle gerceklestirdim.
ve hatta Amerikan M 1 leri Mauserlerin gelistirilmis bir versiyonu yani Taklididir. Ki O M1 leride kullandim Acemi birliginde, ayni sekilde 5 li Bag. Yari Otomatige gecis var. G1 ve G 3 te kullandim. Ana prensip hep Mauser Mühendisligine dayaniyor. ( ki G 1 makineli Tüfegin Mauserle Evlenmesi, G 3 ise Otomatik ve Yari Otomatik Tüfegin Mauserle Jübilesi )
Bir Mauseri en verimli sekilde kullanmak icin Omuz kemiginizle Gögsünüzün arasindaki Kasli Bölgeye yerlerstirmeniz gerekir. Sapmayi önleyen Elastik bir desteginiz olur.
I have some of that fn 7x57 173 grain nickel plated round nose Venezuelan surplus manufactured 1936
Ooooooooooo! - That was my real reaction when I saw this
More like "owo what's this?"
Help me
@@iburback276 theres no helping you
So which was the trigger Mae found most unpleasant ? She is going to be one of the very few people,period,much less with contemporary people,to have experience with this many different rifles. Julian Hatcher and Elmer Keith are long gone. Who else would have this experience ?
I've read a lot of back and forth arguments regarding the safety and strength of the small ring Mauser actions. I understand that a lot of this pertains to rifles converted to higher pressure NATO ammunition. Were there any concerns about testing this example?
Edit: I should have saved my question for after watching the entirety of the video before asking this.
ACCURACY ---- 7.65 ARGENTINE = .313 WHICH = UNOBTAINIUM ???
Have y’all released any posters showing Mae hip firing that MG? Will you be? Was it a German Watercooled? Please, do tell!
I love the channel. I also subbed just now, even though I'm sure I was subscribed and belled. Keep going you galz and guyz!
if what you all are is determined idiocy.....SIGN ME UP!
Concerning your comments on the magazine cutoff. I suspect this was connected to the US rifle trials of 1892 as at least one of the US prototypes had a magazine cutoff and used the rimless 7.65 cartridge.
Could you do a video about the Spanish mausers? M1895 cavalry carbine please!
"determined idiots" next tshirt :)
you guys already have a catchphrase - War were declared! you just don't finish on it
So, if the Gewehr 98's only real flaws are the length and the rear sights, does that mean that the Karabiner 98AZ is top dog thus far?
Here I thought the catch phrase was "Hi I'm Othais, and This is . . . "
he likes 7.65 Mauser but thinks 7.7 British to be overpowered.
An old teacher I had had the great definition of the term "Expert". X is the algebraic expression for an unknown. A spurt is a drip under pressure, Thus an Xpert is an unknown drip under pressure. Actually, i don't know of anyone with a better understanding of great war arms then Othais. Thanks for another great episode.
Do a mae top ten rifle, a top ten pistol, and a top ten revolver episode. Obviously separate videos.
Do one for Othias as well.
Minimum 2 hrs each
Thank you, very impressive. I learned my history from you. Amazing knowledge you have.
18:50
HA got ya!!! The 1903 Springfield has one! And i thought the asme thing, that it was the only Mauser with a cutoff, till i got a 1903 ottoman and found out about the 1893
My grandfathers catchphrase throughout his time in the trenches was "Don't worry they can't hit anything at that dist.....
I have a 1893 Turkish Mauser that has been converted to 8mm given the new sight and hole through the stock and magazines cutoff switch cut off and the block still there but is straight wristed. Love the gun cause its super smooth shoots light and is just a joy to shoot plus ive hit 650m with it
Question Were did Mauser NOT go over the World other than Australia, Love you Work.Thank you John for the gun
It sure is a beautiful rifle. I think this might be my favorite mauser, as stupid as that sounds.
Is that a wedding/engagement ring Mae's finger? If so, congrats!!!!
I believe the "ş" in "kuruş" is pronounced more like the English "sh" as in "ship" not like the soft "c" of "ice" or the "s" of "sip."
@C&Rsenal could you guys mention what wood type and finishes were applied on the model you are reviewing?
Thanks,
Love the channel!
Nice, just nice. One more thing to look forward too. The other one being beer. Turkish today :)
even the lee enfield had the magazine cut off, but the same points weren't iterated for it...
Isn't "War were declared" a good enough catch phrase. Awesome video as usual btw.
oh boy more obscure ottoman rifles for me to wish for but never afford!!!!
Great video. I actually bought one of these for 100 buck a few years ago. Great to get the info! Thanks!
Hmm.... I never realized it. A lever action is easier to check the loading area and bullet as you cycle. You don't have the bolt blocking the eye sight to inspect it.
Technicly...
I want all Mausers you will include.....please.
Great video as usual. A great way to start my weekend. :) (Shift worker, so today is my Friday night)
Just bought one of these, it’s hella front heavy!
In glad my money is backing this channel 👌 another stunning video! Great work C&Rsenal team 👏👏👏👏
I love all the history behind these video. Very through with the information
Imagine if Germany (or any other nation with a hella long rifle) made them all carbines (like the k98) ,all the metal/wood they wood save they could've made probably 500,000 more rifles
Or two whole tanks...