Anyone else spend a good chunk of the mid 2000s just googling "free to play MMORPG" and just trying a bunch of these? Flyff, Fiesta, Mabinogi, 4-Story, Silk Road, Runes of Magic. The list goes oonnnnnn
Absolutely. I remember always looking for that one game that I wanted to dedicate all my effort into and "play for the rest of my life". What a stupid expectation right? Among your list, Fiesta was one of em
@@stoicoutrider2788 Unfortunately no :(, but thanks for searching! In this game you simply picked a character with a certain set of skills, and fought other people until lives ran out on the team. Top down view, the game art was 2d drawn stuff. It probably died down quick
Tree of Savior depicts Lithuanian mythology and culture about as accurately as an anime weeb with a plastic ninja sword Naruto-running around understands Japanese culture
I played aqw for about a week recently, it's far from dead but idk just so grindy lol. Memories were sure made with that franchise from the single player Adventure Quest getting the blade of awe and Dragon Fable in middle school.
Seeing Adventure Quest Worlds on here hurts, I was a Founder and my name was pretty well known across most of the servers until 2018, I'm sad to see the game fall as far as it has, it was a genuinely fun game, yeah the combat was mediocre but the community was great for so long. Shout out to Slaithblade, Lass and Candice, yall made the game what it was for me.
That is still a thing!? I actually wanted to play it again a while back, but somehow couldn't find it and assumed it closed down. Now I can trivially find it with a Google search... Bizarre
The Rift one hurts the most. I had the day one collectors pack . I love and still love that game. It had so many cool things that no other game was doing.
Yep I agree I really liked it I played it after Star Wars Galaxies shut down. I've never seen a company run a great game into the ground like Trion did it's unbelievable how they squandered what they had.
Rift didn't die a natural death. Trion murdered it by starving it to death. All the money coming in went to their development games and their other operating games. The last top tier raid dropped in July '17 - my guild had it on farm by late August and when it became apparent no new content was going to be developed everyone drifted away. You can only do a 3 boss raid (which near the end was taking us a half hour) so many times. The beginning of the end was reducing raid size to 10 persons because they simply didn't have the manpower or money to script large raids and since they had lost a lot of the original devs their replacements barely understood the classes they were trying to improve.
I think Anarchy Online had the first or one of the first examples of instanced dungeons. I played it at launch, lived through the rubberbanding, disconnects, non responsive servers as the noobie zone birds and hamsters called reets and leets pecked you to death slowly. Rollbacks, crashes, and exploits were everywhere. Eventually, it settled down and became pretty awesome - omni tek elite armor and tank armor is still my favorite looking MMO armor ever. The Shadowlands expansion had an interesting back story and amazing artwork. Back in 2006-2008 the game was very active.
Hey, I actually played Allods online way back. I honestly don't remember any permament penalties on death. Generally, yes, it was mostly a WoW clone, but I remember it being pretty decent. It also had airship combat in space, so that's cool. One faction was very much based on USSR and consisted of "evil" humans, orcs and zombies created using something like arcane technology, and the other faction was your generic fantasy land, with humans elves, etc.
The other, good faction is based on a weird mix of traditonal western fantasy and Slavic folklore, with some Eastern Orthodox aesthetic peppered over the whole mess for good measure. Meanwhile the evil faction is an expansionist magitech empire that just started getting over the death ofits supposedly eternal Archmage leader and dismantling his personality cult and loosening up the screws of the totalitarian police state. So USSR in the 1950s, but from the point of view of people are nostalgic about it and willing to use it for run gags as much as they are to play the horrors bd evils of it straight. I also really like the general concept of the worlds that have been shattered into "allods" - shards of stable reality - swimming in the soup of Chaos and Cosmos, maintained by the conscious efforts of a particularly skillful mage. It's a shame that all of this fluff got tied to a mediocre-to-bad WoW clone.
I played Allods not so long ago for the Empire (the USSR faction). And I didn't see them as evil at all. Only one moment was really questionable is the questline when the officials kidnapped an orc and put him in lab for experiments.
Alloda was acctually awesome when it started. Full servers, hard game with some pretty good systems. I spent a loads of time in first ultra hard Astral. Flying Astral ships and getting lost after loads of jump was interesting stuff to do! Best elfs ever qnd those little Gibberlings :D Ah, good times!
the Javelin not $2,500 anymore it's $3,000 😆 and sells out in seconds mostly to scalpers which I hope chock on them every ship sale and that's right you can't just buy most ships year round and they put limits on these ships every sale they are a part of not only that but a Javelin will need around 40 people to operate it you can't fly this ship solo while I don't blame people waiting till it's a less buggy mess but if you ever want to check it out wait till a free fly you may walk out in awe it's got over 100 flyable ships and most players are always looking for crewmen
There's a "mega pack" tier released a year or two ago that's priced as much as a brand new car, even today. Scam Shitizen is plain overkill on their macro transactions - and their fanatically brainwashed fanbase of yes-men will lap it up regardless of the company continually trying to drain their fans' bank accounts with ultra-exorbitant fees for *DIGITAL GOODS* that aren't even *REAL.* How it hasn't had a massive class action lawsuit yet despite the clear fact it is defrauding its customers is one hell of a legal dodge. It's the perfect money-sink for whales that have more money than common sense, or brains for that matter.
@@obsidiansands The Legatus Pack was there for a lot longer then a year or two try four thats just when someone in the media notice it put it out in the new really there for the completionist that wants to put all there ships in one pack and I wouldn't say that hell I've seen phone games that charge you real money for food 😆 also the reason you don't see any lawsuit is because they got there legal ducks in a row and are slowly actual delivering on there goals game play and ships lastly common sense isn't a thing in this world learn that now 🤣🤣
Conquer Online was a really great game with amazing community back in 2004/2005. It is very sad what happened to it. It is still a piece of my childhood that I look back with great care and nostalgia.
It's funny you say that because I have been playing Conquer on a private server and binging his videos, the server I'm on rn is just 2005 conquer with legendary items and a bit faster leveling at the start, its really nice.
Hey! I'm also a AQ Worlds founder! Favorite memory of that MMO was when Voltaire did that live music event. I actually came back to AQ Worlds after years and years of not playing and was pleasantly surprised that Artix and the team are still hard at work updating it.
@@SlimeBlueMS yes, they volunteered because they loved the game and wanted to add to it. Doesn't mean it's okay to exploit them in every possible way. The counterargument of "the volunteers can just stop and leave, they're not forced to stay" doesn't change the fact that AE is an inherently predatory company. :/
Brooooo, Rift was amazing.... I miss that skill tree. Would have been great if it was able to keep up. They lost so many people just a few months after open.
The biggest example of the sunken cost fallacy is actually WoW. In fact, its so insanely strong that it is the reason why it didn't go into the trash bin after Cataclysm.
Highly doubt it. So many old players left, and so many new players picked it up + the game actually slows down a few months into content patches, but with new stuff people go back to clear current content. I doubt it's because of sunken cost fallacy. Makes no sense.
@@Qvik_ its moreso brand recognition, wow is so well known that the name alone is enough to draw attention, even if the quality of the game continues to decline, its wow, it will find a way to survive
I have played Anarchy Online for about 15 years of my life. The game is one of the best mmo’s ever created and I could never find a game like AO. The launch problems have been repaired not long after the launch. The real problems began when the game was left on the side by the owning company. Development was no longer being performed on it in favor of other games that the company produced, bugs were no longer being fixed, customer support started to decay. The game is now full of exploits, multi boxing and the population is like 60 people left. I am sad about it as I would never play another game if AO would have been kept alive.
Holy shit Flyff is still around? God damn that is a blast from the past. All I wanted was a game that let you fly back then and Flyff... Didn't really deliver.
hi i've got good news for u U should check out Flyff Project M it's an offical version of Flyff and they ran a beta test in january which was huge they have their own discord server where they work really close together with the community its still in development and its probably going to be a version of FlyFF thats completly new
I really miss Wildstar, sure had some problems but I did enjoy the goofiness, leveling was a nice experience, the dungeons were super fun and the housing oh that housing was wonderfull!
My biggest shock with Star Citizen was how they managed to not scam more people out of their money with ship NFTs. Especially since they were the first to pioneer selling jpegs for thousands.
I played Star Citizen Free Fly events in 2019 and 2020. Game breaking bugs occurred in 5-20 minute intervals on both occasions. Stuff not respawning, stuff exploding, me clipping through the floor, mission objectives disappearing, stuff not responding (mission objects and ship doors)...etc. The game is not half assembled.
@@Michal4385 Because I check in from time to time. I play a lot of Elite Dangerous. Star Citizen would be a welcome game to supplement it with, but it's woefully incomplete and barren of both content and players. They should've started at a reasonable scale, then scaled up over time. Instead they never complete the game.
@@Michal4385 Saying there are no bugs in star citizen is the same as saying you've never downloaded star citizen. I mean come on, even the fucking game launcher is riddled with bugs.
Runes of Magic was amazing, and had one of the best guild experiences I've ever had. Still miss the group. I was the main healer and would help our lower leveled members by offering healing support, and then if needed, a nuke since I doubled as a mage. This was before a triple class system was put into the game, though.
The one really positive thing you can say about Funcom is that it keeps the servers going for it’s old games. They are making money on Anarchy Online, but it’s stayed online for 2 full decades for a very small player base. And that player base has been low for quite awhile
I had good memories of conquer online as a kid. At the time I had no idea there was quests to make leveling fast so I'd just grind enemies for hours to level up. I thought 'this' was the game and I actually loved it. I was a weird kid
I almost bought Star Citizen, but paying for ships really sat poorly with me. So, I dropped $12 and bought Space Engineers where I can make infinite ships of my own, for free.
Elite dangerous is worth checking out if you are wanting a space type game it's a 1:1 scale of the milky way 400 billion different star systems to explore really and awesome game.
Danm, I spent seven years playing Conquer Online, back from 2004 to 2011. The concept of full loot PvP was what made it great at the time, you only actually lost the items from your inventory, and there were safe zones, so you wouldn't actually lose much if killed. I loved that the system of PvP was very skilled base, with skill shots on the strongest classes (back when there were only 4 classes), the jumping movement allowed for dodge and smart positioning as well. The Guild Wars were awesome as well. The game was very grindy, but that was what made it fun. They destroyed themselves by going heavily into the P2W route, it always was, but you could still make a difference by being a free player in the beginning. All good things come to an end, I suppose. I tried to get back into it in 2020, but the game really sucked, maybe it always did, and I only liked because I was a teen heavily invested into the game.
yeah it gave a reason to become strong. You had people on KOS. guildmates that helped you. people hiding for you. its still what i search in a new mmo to this day. loved the grind for better gear. because its actually almost impossible to get the best gear. they fucked it up with all the paying options. back at the start DB's weren worth the pay because you could farm them in a hour. Now they replaced 1000's hours of work in one transaction.
It stung a little to see Anarchy Online in this list since it was my first MMO and the one where I "grew up in", multiple max level chars and all that. But I think you're absolute right that Funcom has lost its love for it. There hasn't been a new add on since 2009 (!) - that's nothing for 13 years, and the game is currently 21 years old.
I played and returned to Anarchy Online a few times. It's a great game now still with a population. I love the implant system which is how you upgrade your gear. The grid for travel around and eventually you get to buy your own spaceship. The dungeons are probably the most fun dungeons I've played in a MMO, especially mowing down mobs with a big gun or dual pistols was tons of fun!
It managed to make the whole character levelling, development and gearing actually interesting process. Enough of it was not simple click and equip, but often you had to build it all up and it rewarded you for the process... There is lot of valid and good ideas in the system, but also too much clutter and poor and slow development which failed it...
Just to right the record, Anarchy Online never had more than 2 servers. It was the first MMO to have megaservers. The game was amazing after they fixed the launch mess. The place was booming with 10's of thousands of players consistently. It truly was deep and interesting. That's my opinion but I'm sure it is shared by many old school MMO players.
Quick correction, AO had 3 servers for a while. There was Atlantean, Rimor, and Die Neue Welt, as well as the Test Live server. DNW closed first, then Rk1 and 2 merged together. But I think he poorly researched AO. The game is a shit-box today, but the game is still alive even after such a catastrophic launch; that has to speak volumes for the game's legacy and quality.
Please read my reply to soulwynd. I LOVED this game. It was just a shame the devs couldn't get out of their own way with it. The whole PVP/PVE at the same time thing just never worked.
@@SharpTony I must have stopped playing regularly before they added the DNW server. I got drawn in by SWG and played that until they wrecked it with the new "updated" game mechanics.
aqw was my fav game.. I spend hours playing w/ my friends back in the days.. hahah I miss that shit always the best for me.. but nowadays its really sucks.
Oh man, I played Conquer Online back in the day when my main gaming pc crapped out on me. Got hooked and dropped a fair bit of money in the cash shop (don't do MT's now). For such a simple game some of my fondest pvp memories come for CO. Such as having a guild I'd keep around to declare war on my enemies with, Joining enemies guilds with alts to lure the members to my main to gank them or pitched pvp battles with my enemies as I'd level up. Wouldn't play the game today and it's basically as pay to win as it gets but fond memories without a doubt. Won't even get into my time with AO. :D
I played Conquer Online back in 2004 and really liked it. I still find myself wishing I could play it like it used to be. Without the obnoxious ads and whatnot. Thinking about it now I wonder how much of my liking the game is because it was the first mmo I played. I played a bit of Adventure Quest, before Worlds was added to it. I don't think there was multiplayer to it though.
Adventure quest was a kick in the nostalgia... I mailed in some of my saved up allowance to get a dragonfable amulet when I was in my early teens and followed it weekly.
Runes of magic was my first ever mmorpg. I always watched my brother play it when i was small, and then started playing it with him when I was 12. It was a big impact for me and I still love it.
Played Anarchy Online from 2003-2007. Hands down the deepest, most complex character customization/progression system available in an MMO. Want to put endgame loot on a low level char? No problem: as long as you are math savvy and have accumulated enough wealth and resources to fuel such a project!
Not surprised at Star Citizen's inclusion haha. I'm an ardent fan of the game. I keep up with development, read the lore, play regularly (once a week or so), but I can definitely not recommend the game. I've spent $90 to get an Avenger space ship and a Hoverbike, and that was a few years ago and I thoroughly enjoy playing singleplayer. I've not dumped any more money in, and I feel sorry for the ones that have gotten to the $1k club or even higher. The fact that there's a $27,000 pack that's gated behind having already spent $1000 is insane, and definitely shows how difficult it will be to make grinding feel worth it later on. The campaign, SQ42, was supposed to release in 2016, but will probably be 2023 at the earliest. The MMO part will be at least 2025 before Beta release, probably 2030 for full release. It's an incredibly unique and ambitious game, but I think the cost to some people's wallets means it will never meet expectations
To be fair to Conquer Online... I and my friends played it during its peak back around 2005 and we enjoyed it quite a lot. And back then, it was standard for games to be open PvP. It wasn't a niched thing like it is today. So there was never any thoughts about how awful it is that you could get killed. It died out from lack of updates, and simply becoming dated.
man half the fun was having someone jump near you while you were farming or playing and wondering if you were gonna start shit lol. funny jumping around as a Trojan and all the archers go airborne
I was an ARK (GM) in AO when it launched. OMG people losing their planes when they zoned. The most expensive items in the game, plus they level of the ship was random, so it could take days to get a good one.
im pleasantly surprised that my favorite game, guild wars, is not on this list. even though the player numbers are dwindling, it still is a great game imo. but im extremely biased haha
one "good" thing about gw is that it slowly transitioned more and more into a (potentially) single-player game, and works incredibly well as such, since with the way instancing works it never was a "full-on" mmo
gw mostly withstood aging badly because it transitioned into being a possible singleplayer game. Heck, even though i don't play gw 2 anymore, I still log in daily to do some zaishen stuff to this day on gw 1.
I have never met another person who played conquer online. I played when it was conquer 1.0 when I was like 8 years old. It was so fun for me and I tried playing it recently but it’s so different. I feel bad for my grandma because she still plays it every day and has spent over 10,000 on it over 15 years
4:44 - I have played this game SO MUCH in the 2000s. It was the only MMO I managed to play with my PC and internet connection. I met a lot of nice people, but the game is *very* lacking in balance. But it has a cool style. Had I other options (I flat out didn't know about other games), I would not have played Conquer so much.
I remember playing Adventure Quest Worlds back in beta. I'm not sure there's another game in existence with more nostalgia for me. I tried it again recently and it's still fun, though I don't like the more recent change in art direction. Still gorgeous, but I can't justify paying a membership anymore. Even as a kid I always hated how it wasn't a one-time purchase like Guardians in AQ or Dragon Amulets in Dragon Fable. I also HATE their focus on Adventure Quest 3D. It looks awful. I get that they're going for an oldschool MMO look, but it just looks bad. It looks like someone with very little experience with making 3D models and ZERO experience making skyboxes designed the whole thing. That said, I'd love to get back into it if I had people to play with. None of my friends ever got into AQW back when I was in school, even though my best friend at the time was the one who introduced me to Adventure Quest, Dragon Fable, and Artix Entertainment as a whole.
I played a lot of AQW back in the day, it was my go-to while I was eating breakfast before school. I remembered finding some stunlock cheese with a ninja class or something like that. Loved it.
I felt pretty let down when I bought into star citizen. I was told by a friend that it was in a playable state and it wasn't, at least not in any enjoyable way. I then returned two years later because I'd heard that there were massive changes, and there were. It went from broken to slightly less broken.
Hi there Josh, I still play AQW regularly and still find the saesonal event absolutely amazing. It's still pretty solid but not a game I'd recommend to new players at all, it's very much all old players returning nowadays. I hope AQW:Mobile fixes most of the issues, but I'm skeptical. That said they've done it with Dragon Quest, so it's not impossible :)
That’s actually the good thing. They have a massive scope that let look red dead redemption for example like a dwarf. And that took about 12 years. So, 7 years isn’t really long for that scope. And it’s the scope and that they take the time to properly develop the game, that is the selling point. If you don’t have the patience that’s ok, you can play them other games with a smaller scope. Like... Anthem... fallout76... no mans sky at release... cyberpunk... or all the other buggy releases games that really did not anything new. If that’s good enough for you, you don’t need Star citizen.
@@Grimshak81 This comment make me think that actually most games dont announce themselves until they have at most 1 or 2 more years of development remaining yet, even if they have been in development for years. Maybe to avoid what is happening to Star Citizen? Something like that happen to Final Fantasy VII too, i think?
@@deficit06 one to two years before release is best to start a hype train. A crowdfunding project cannot afford that luxury: without marketing from day one there would be no development at all. SC doesn’t take too long, it’s the customer who simply learns now how long big games take to be made.
#1 reasons could also be BDO tbh. Most of my friends playing have spent so much they have trouble quitting while doing nothing but complaining about it. lol
Thats what kept me playing warframe so long. I was a founder and played since the start on pc and ps4.... spent over 1k$ over the years and invested so much time i just kept lying to myself about the state of the game. Ignoring all the problems and glaring issues with it and white knighting it, attacking all those who criticized it.... then one day i just... woke up and it all hit me and realized my mistake and how shitty i was to people who ended up being right. We feel so invested $ and time wise, we literally lie to ourselves sometimes. Since i made that mistake, i find it so hard to get invested in any game, which kinda sucks since i want to get int oa game but i cant find one worth my time.
Oh my god, I remember playing Adventure Quest Worlds, and another sidescroller sci fi game on Flash. Damn. I’m pretty young but even so my first memories of having internet connection was this game and some shooter hell helicopter game on an old website that probably doesn’t exist anymore.
Conquer Online was the first MMO I’ve ever played me and my older brothers used to play it all the time I guess it’s nostalgia but I have a soft spot for that game lol.
Man I remember playing AQ Worlds and having a great time. Last thing I remember doing on there was working on unlocking the Chronomancer class. Also, side note, noticing a lack of comments about Star Citizen. Good.
AQW is my favorite casual game. Really easy to go in and out, chill and funny and it scratches my love for character customization like nothing else. Also, I've been playing since 2013 without spending a dime and I really think it's not pay to win at all. Member gives you access to more items, sure, but the sheer amount of free items make up for that, also the best classes in the game can be farmed 100% for free.
I miss dcuo. It was my job in high school. It helped me buy my first car. Best mmorpg I had ever played. When The pay to win started the game went downhill FAST.
I played anarchy online in the mid 00s and it was great, insanely cool customization, twinking and theorycrafting and back then all 3 servers were packed with more than enough players to not feel alone there. Plus the community is great and that includes GMs and ARKs (players that help players)...
Rift being on here really makes me sad. I was there on launch day, and loved it. They had to take the servers down at one point, quoting an hour, and it was back up in like 40 minutes. They had a lot going for them. I had a blast getting two chars to max, and a third quite high. Truly a pity a game with such great potential just fell short.
Adventure quest worlds, oh the memories, middle school, trying to become a vampire werewolf, getting my premium account physed away and never getting my character or membership back, ah yes those were the days
Allods really was good I still love the design and stuff. Played in Russian Sub server for a while but nope. Community is toxic. The devs and company is toxic. Game is p2w and classes are never balanced.
3:43, funny thing is that hype and promises is what killed eternal crusade. Otherwise, its actually a fun game. I had 0 expectations of it and knew nothing when i bought it back in the day. I played around 300h in it since then and the only reason I had to drop it was because it became impossible to find matches. Yes, there were some broken stuff, but it had a lot going on, they just needed more devs/support to deliver on promises. If it wasn't for the dead servers, i would probably still play it every now and again
I'm 50/50 on SC. I mean they are making progress on it. Very very very very slowly. But they have a tremendously ambitious goal, actually too ambitious. However selling ships with outrageous pricetags is grimey af. There are absolutely no excuses for that.
Yeah the ship thing feels like they are totally taken advantage of the community. I was someone who was interested and willing to wait (I never backed it or anything) but the game feels so toxic and crazy I'm just going to skip it at this point if it ever comes out. I don't know a single person who plans to buy it when its out.
@@idontevenknow9758 I don't really see where "toxic" is coming from, other than it's a buzzword now-a-day. I would agree, you shouldn't spend much on SC if it's something you want to play, but you don't have to. Guess he also forgot to mention that you can get full access to the current Alpha/Pre-Alpha (and playable) state, for $40 or $45. Sometimes lower during events. Yes there is no set release date, but it IS playable. There's a good bit to do but it does get boring. Why mention that you can get full access for about $45 when you can just talk about the, by FAR, most expensive ship you can buy, right? But yeah, ship prices are a bit insane. Good thing you can buy most of them in-game.
@@hansyolo8277 what I mean by toxic is the level of the elitism that came out especially with that refund story that happened. Basically we’re a bunch of players said refunds should be illegal and a bunch outlandish things that struck me as deeply unhealthy like they are obsessed with the game. I know that’s not all of the players but that incident I found concerning.
@@hansyolo8277 but either way I’ve lost interest in the game completely. I have so many others I want to try on my own backlog plus so much is coming out soon. That game humankind I’m super excited about. I hope other people enjoy star citizen when it’s finally out but the ship has sailed for me.
how dare you insult my precious Anarchy Online!😂it was my first mmorpg. Cost my parents so much in ISDN fees and it took a few tries before I understood anything at all. It had the best community ever, parties and someone even ran an online anarchy online radio channel where you could whisper in requests and shoutouts! it was incredible. Many good virtual memories. I thought it was doing pretty well for a few years
I absolutely loved playing Flyff every day and night when I was younger. It was difficult but rewarding, with huge world events, and a wonderful community. It's all gone now.
I agree with you on number 1 for the most part. I do have some ships myself (also spent too much money on other MMOs I never ended up playing, don't worry), but I would not recommend it to anyone until it's released or close to a release date and I've had a chance to try a beta of sorts. I still have hope for Star Citizen, but I would not recommend it in 2020 or probably even 2021.
@@Assumptio There seem to be quite a few broken quests, and sometimes my character stops dead whilst running for no apparent reason, as if his feet got stuck to the ground or something.
@@MorganScorpion Are you using mouse mode? If so, you will be frustrated by the insane amount of objects that you can't interact with. And you will stop running if you click on anything that isn't the background image :(
@@benardolivier6624 Yes, I am using mouse mode. But I could try keyboard for when I encounter an obstacle, thanks to your input! Then switch back to mouse. I really dislike the WASD way of moving about.
Idk, I absolutely loved Allods when it came out. But then the cash shop happened and poof, 90% of the pop left. For those who knew, Asee Teph PvP was the most fun I've ever had in a MMO.
Allods was a gem back around the 2012s. What WoW was to most people Allods was to me. I loved the art style, and the combat, but most of all, I loved the Mentor system. I had a very cool Mentor who would push me to try and understand my class more and more (I was a Psionicist), and thanks to them, I not only ended up loving the game that much more, I also ended up being able to solo some bosses that requires entire coordinated groups to handle. Still, that was then, today is now. I decided to try Allods with my girlfriend once and I was just...sad. Instantly given a max level boost and epic gear containers. My Mentor had long since moved onto a game (WildStar, which ended up also crashing and me losing all contact with them), and the cash shop was only worse than I remember it being. We just kind of left, with me feeling sad I won't get to relive my earlier years then.
I feel sorry for the actors involved in Star Citizen. I remember naively saying logical things on the Star Citizen subreddit and getting absolutely pummeled by so many delusional neckbeards. They all say that good things take time in many threats in many ways but I'm glad I'm not them.
Everything that has been said about Star Citizen was said about Duke Nukem Foever, and I hate to say it but I smell the piles of excrement from both even now.
@@tripolarmdisorder7696 Granted I don't think the sunk cost fallacy used in the video works quite as well for the steaming pile that is Duke Nukem Forever. I might play SC for free to check it out should it ever release or if it is one time pay depending on reviews could see myself trying it out. But to sink money in before a release and all you got to show for it is pretty visuals and a promise, yea people got scammed by someone selling them a dream.
@@dnw009 Star Citizen frequently have free trial weekends, often in conjunction with free trial of many of the available ships. It has quite fun gameplay, especially the space combat part. But you will have to be tolerant of some buggy and immersion breaking behaviour.
No matter how good Star Citizen will be when it finally releases, it won't be as good as the unpaid hype engine has made it out to be. I want it to be good, great even, I just hear thousands of Peter Molyneux in the background hyping this thing well past reasonable proportions.
Tree of Savior and Allods Online it's 2 of my favorite MMOs to play and level in. It's a side MMO I play and I'm not trying to reach max level but I enjoy the gameplay and the leveling experience.
When I clicked this video I got an ad for Albion online. It was almost at the end I realized that your list hadn't even started yet. Maybe TH-cam is secretly weighing in on this?
Wow, so you actually did do Flyff already. Pretty accurate too, cash shop predatory grindfest game. They released a browser-based version of the game called "Flyff Universe" last year, but, sadly, it suffers from the same Cash Shop greed. Despite this, free to play players do stand a decent chance in making success compared to the other version. The time sink has also been mitigated to a degree: they added dungeons that multiple levels can run.
I've played thousands of hours of Anarchy Online. It's still my favorite mmo, but I've done almost everything there is to do in it. If someone modernized AO, I'd have to say goodbye to my family.
I was really hyped for this one. My best friend and I got it on launch and we went nuts because it was the first futuristic MMORPG as far as we were concerned. We had played Everquest, and there was another one we played that I can't remember the name of but completely screwed up a few classes like in the Wizard tree there was the Earth Wizard, but it didn't have any 50th level spells or anything (which was highest level at the time). It was my friend's main class and the developers said, "Well, it was never intended to be a fully fledged class." And the response was, "The game SAYS it is. It is listed as "a class." If it isn't a viable one it shouldn't be IN THE GAME!" This same game had a Necromancer class that had such crazy restrictions on the control of your pet. In order to issue on command you had to be looking away from your pet, standing downhill from it. To cast another spell the enemy couldn't be looking at you...it was complete nonsense. We had enough of the fantasy/medieval settings. What killed AO was the company's insistence that it be PVE and PVP at the same time, and they could never get the balancing right. The Engineer wasn't the best in the game.....at ENGINEERING! Then they completely destroyed the class by not allowing the pet to hold aggro for a class solely dependent upon the pet to do damage. They completely deleted a pistol called The Freedom Arms, which was an AMAZING weapon. They replaced it with something else that was horrific and didn't even use the same weapon skills as the previous gun. They were also not worth as much as the gun they automatically replaced the originals with. This completely broke yet ANOTHER character for my friend and he quit. On top of that, crafting was completely broken. It is a shame, because it was a very cool game with a neat atmosphere.
Wow,i started playing aq worlds, but then took a brreak to check other artix titles, might come back one day. Also thanks for mentioning the band, never heard of them before so now i have new nice music to listen to. :)
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Oh boy, Anarchy brings back memories. I was entirely too young to really understand the game when I played it, but I played it every day with my dad, and for that reason alone, it has a very special place in my heart. So sad to see it in that state. It was so stupid cool that you could connect to the guild chat with IRC and make bots and stuff. Wish other games did that!
"It was so stupid cool that you could connect to the guild chat with IRC and make bots and stuff." Wasn't cool that it was a major security risk and anyone accessing your guild bot could read your guild's chat. Handy in pvp related stuff.
I played AQW back in the day because my dad got me hooked on wow when I was 7 and for various reasons, I wasn't able to play wow aside from once a month for like 2 days a month so AQW was what I played to fill the void. Also, it ran on my shitty 2002 desktop.
i paid £40 for a starter package in star citizen. since then i have played hours of content in it. yes its in development and yes it has bugs but there are a lot of fully released games that have game breaking bugs. i can see both sides of the argument but i would say that if you are having fun then its worth the initial cost(which is the same as any other game). personally i will not spend more than the starter package cost but i still can use in game currency to get any ship in game.
I've been very on/off about AQW. A year passes by and I suddenly want to play it again, then I spend a month playing it constantly before never touching it again for another year.
4:33 Warhammer 40k: "Maybe the war was over, everyone died and the Tyranids finally won" Almost died laughing at your hilarious comment; the irony of the fate of this game compare to the lore XD
Star citizen will have a release date shortly before launch. Not because a publisher wants to finish a certain fiscal year. That they focus on quality instead of an early release is not the weakness, it’s the strength. ...you can play fallout76 or Anthem or Cyberpunk meanwhile...
@@Grimshak81 it's been 10 years, which is what the movie Avatar took. And I actually enjoyed Cyberpunk. Quality means nothing when people are starting to truly lose faith. They have quality? Then put something out. It's been 10 years and we don't even have an open beta, much less a playable alpha. I fully support Josh here, especially as someone who is preparing to and has connections in the videogame and MMO industry. It is a business, just like everything else, and a business doesn't run on promises alone.
For Anarchy Online there has been steady engine updates throughout the years and it doesn't look half bad right now. Server wise I'm pretty sure there's always been just two as things are instanced so you and your friend may be in the same place but still in different dimensions. It's sad what has happened to that absolute gem of a game. Character builder system and the weapon/gear/spell system is still way above anything I've seen since. It's still very much worth trying out just to see what it's like but as said, you may not have very good experience when it comes to player counts. I do still consider it best ever MMO I've ever played. Even after jumping to WoW right after AO (and later jumped back to AO briefly). If the game still had enough players, provided the server's are stable, I'd still hop back to it to play daily.
Unfortunately its been sold to a Chinese company and the game is rife with duping and other exploits. It needs private servers so people that actually care for the game can curate it.
100% agree with Star Citizen. At this point you're better off playing Elite Dangerous which is a game in full swing and is already reaching what Star Citizen promised with less money to sink.
Anyone else spend a good chunk of the mid 2000s just googling "free to play MMORPG" and just trying a bunch of these? Flyff, Fiesta, Mabinogi, 4-Story, Silk Road, Runes of Magic. The list goes oonnnnnn
Exactly this!
Absolutely. I remember always looking for that one game that I wanted to dedicate all my effort into and "play for the rest of my life". What a stupid expectation right? Among your list, Fiesta was one of em
@@DangermuffinVideos Hmmm was it Red Stone?
@@stoicoutrider2788 Unfortunately no :(, but thanks for searching! In this game you simply picked a character with a certain set of skills, and fought other people until lives ran out on the team. Top down view, the game art was 2d drawn stuff. It probably died down quick
I still play Fiesta
Tree of Savior depicts Lithuanian mythology and culture about as accurately as an anime weeb with a plastic ninja sword Naruto-running around understands Japanese culture
Korėjiečių MMO, Ltu mitologija ir 2D. What could go wrong ?
koreans lol
To be fair, that does sound kinda awesome.
@@hjalfi Lithuanian mythology as a setting? Sure
Tree of Savior? Hard pass
lol now it makes sense why game had Lithuanian city names i was so confused. i thought game tracked my location or something.
Adventure Quest... man, that brings the nostalgia.
oh faaacts
I know I agree with his Take but him even mentioning it has me log back into the game as it's too nostalgic 😂
I used to play the old 2d version back in the day
@@PSIBoredomOmega aqw
I played aqw for about a week recently, it's far from dead but idk just so grindy lol. Memories were sure made with that franchise from the single player Adventure Quest getting the blade of awe and Dragon Fable in middle school.
Seeing Adventure Quest Worlds on here hurts, I was a Founder and my name was pretty well known across most of the servers until 2018, I'm sad to see the game fall as far as it has, it was a genuinely fun game, yeah the combat was mediocre but the community was great for so long. Shout out to Slaithblade, Lass and Candice, yall made the game what it was for me.
Who's candice
@@JoeMama69xx Candice Flynn, famous cartoon character
@@JoeMama69xx Wheres Candice?!
Speaking of known names shoutout to “Xyo” and “o”
Especially “o” if you weren’t his friend he was such an enigma
Yulgar-9999 gang where you at
where's sephiros the mage :(
Pros: Silkroad Online wasn't on this list
Cons: Silkroad Online wasn't on this list
Pro: Lord of the Rings Online wasn't on this list.
Con: Lord of the Rings Online wasn't on this list.
woke: silkroad online
broke: silkroad online
@@WorgenGrrl woke: lord of the rings online
broke: lord of the rings online
That is still a thing!?
I actually wanted to play it again a while back, but somehow couldn't find it and assumed it closed down. Now I can trivially find it with a Google search...
Bizarre
@@Yotanido i needed to hold a gasoline tract in place for 40 kilometers to prevent leakage and thus the stopping of the vehicle. glad thats over
10- Flyff 1:32
9- Anarchy Online 2:32
8- Warhammer 40000 Eternal Crusade 3:38
7- Conquer Online 4:37
6- Allods Online 5:28
5- Tree of Savior 6:27
4- Adventure Quest Worlds 7:28
3- Runes of Magic 9:14
2- Rift 10:45
1- Star Citizen 12:30
The Rift one hurts the most. I had the day one collectors pack . I love and still love that game. It had so many cool things that no other game was doing.
It's so sad that it was ruined, I had SO much fun on release and for about 2 years after.
Same. I don’t have a pc anymore and just a normal computer that can hardly run MC Java. Bedrock works fine
i still really love the class system in this game, imo the best part of Rift
Yep I agree I really liked it I played it after Star Wars Galaxies shut down. I've never seen a company run a great game into the ground like Trion did it's unbelievable how they squandered what they had.
Rift didn't die a natural death. Trion murdered it by starving it to death. All the money coming in went to their development games and their other operating games. The last top tier raid dropped in July '17 - my guild had it on farm by late August and when it became apparent no new content was going to be developed everyone drifted away. You can only do a 3 boss raid (which near the end was taking us a half hour) so many times. The beginning of the end was reducing raid size to 10 persons because they simply didn't have the manpower or money to script large raids and since they had lost a lot of the original devs their replacements barely understood the classes they were trying to improve.
I think Anarchy Online had the first or one of the first examples of instanced dungeons. I played it at launch, lived through the rubberbanding, disconnects, non responsive servers as the noobie zone birds and hamsters called reets and leets pecked you to death slowly. Rollbacks, crashes, and exploits were everywhere. Eventually, it settled down and became pretty awesome - omni tek elite armor and tank armor is still my favorite looking MMO armor ever. The Shadowlands expansion had an interesting back story and amazing artwork. Back in 2006-2008 the game was very active.
I started playing January 2000. I spent 3 years in the game before moving on.
That rip wildstar hurt
I loved wildstar, i want it back
Apparently Wildstars development management was incompetent and abusive. The good stuff in that game happened in spite of them.
@@andrewtaylor940 yup
Thats why the launch was a disaster
But thwle low level staff still loved the game so by the time it died it was amazing
I only played Wildstar for 2-3 days but I could tell it was one of the best MMOs.
@@DraconasTenZHG Same, by the time i started to play it i found out it was getting shut down. I played for maybe a week
Yeah that was a fun game that honestly looked like it had it all.
Bummed it didn't work out
Hey, I actually played Allods online way back. I honestly don't remember any permament penalties on death. Generally, yes, it was mostly a WoW clone, but I remember it being pretty decent. It also had airship combat in space, so that's cool.
One faction was very much based on USSR and consisted of "evil" humans, orcs and zombies created using something like arcane technology, and the other faction was your generic fantasy land, with humans elves, etc.
The other, good faction is based on a weird mix of traditonal western fantasy and Slavic folklore, with some Eastern Orthodox aesthetic peppered over the whole mess for good measure.
Meanwhile the evil faction is an expansionist magitech empire that just started getting over the death ofits supposedly eternal Archmage leader and dismantling his personality cult and loosening up the screws of the totalitarian police state. So USSR in the 1950s, but from the point of view of people are nostalgic about it and willing to use it for run gags as much as they are to play the horrors bd evils of it straight.
I also really like the general concept of the worlds that have been shattered into "allods" - shards of stable reality - swimming in the soup of Chaos and Cosmos, maintained by the conscious efforts of a particularly skillful mage.
It's a shame that all of this fluff got tied to a mediocre-to-bad WoW clone.
I played Allods not so long ago for the Empire (the USSR faction). And I didn't see them as evil at all. Only one moment was really questionable is the questline when the officials kidnapped an orc and put him in lab for experiments.
@@fillosof66689 q
Alloda was acctually awesome when it started. Full servers, hard game with some pretty good systems. I spent a loads of time in first ultra hard Astral. Flying Astral ships and getting lost after loads of jump was interesting stuff to do!
Best elfs ever qnd those little Gibberlings :D
Ah, good times!
$2,500 for one ship?! Why WOULD they release the full game when they’re making bank like that?
so starcitizen is on the list ........Good.....
the Javelin not $2,500 anymore it's $3,000 😆 and sells out in seconds mostly to scalpers which I hope chock on them every ship sale and that's right you can't just buy most ships year round and they put limits on these ships every sale they are a part of not only that but a Javelin will need around 40 people to operate it you can't fly this ship solo while I don't blame people waiting till it's a less buggy mess but if you ever want to check it out wait till a free fly you may walk out in awe it's got over 100 flyable ships and most players are always looking for crewmen
There's a "mega pack" tier released a year or two ago that's priced as much as a brand new car, even today. Scam Shitizen is plain overkill on their macro transactions - and their fanatically brainwashed fanbase of yes-men will lap it up regardless of the company continually trying to drain their fans' bank accounts with ultra-exorbitant fees for *DIGITAL GOODS* that aren't even *REAL.* How it hasn't had a massive class action lawsuit yet despite the clear fact it is defrauding its customers is one hell of a legal dodge. It's the perfect money-sink for whales that have more money than common sense, or brains for that matter.
@@obsidiansands The Legatus Pack was there for a lot longer then a year or two try four thats just when someone in the media notice it put it out in the new really there for the completionist that wants to put all there ships in one pack and I wouldn't say that hell I've seen phone games that charge you real money for food 😆 also the reason you don't see any lawsuit is because they got there legal ducks in a row and are slowly actual delivering on there goals game play and ships lastly common sense isn't a thing in this world learn that now 🤣🤣
@@snowfox9461 it sounds like you play star citizen, am I wrong?
Conquer Online was a really great game with amazing community back in 2004/2005. It is very sad what happened to it. It is still a piece of my childhood that I look back with great care and nostalgia.
its sad how he is an expert in MMOs and dos not recoginse conquer online, its was huge in 2004-2009
It's funny you say that because I have been playing Conquer on a private server and binging his videos, the server I'm on rn is just 2005 conquer with legendary items and a bit faster leveling at the start, its really nice.
10 Ancient mmorpgs please. I liked this video.
I think this will actually be the next video, and i'll feature this comment in the vid :)
@@JoshStrifeHayes Thank you.
warhammer age of reckoning.....i still cry tears of utter sadness that it passed aways years ago
Star Wars Galaxies. The servers are officially shut down but there are community run servers
ANARCHY ONLINE!!!!
It's weird seeing these MMOs. I remember these looked so good as a kid.
Hey! I'm also a AQ Worlds founder! Favorite memory of that MMO was when Voltaire did that live music event. I actually came back to AQ Worlds after years and years of not playing and was pleasantly surprised that Artix and the team are still hard at work updating it.
I was too, I didn't think this was around anymore !
If "hard at work" means forcing volunteers to work overtime and underpaying + overhiring artists then you'd be correct.
Platinum dragons and blue star swords unite!
The fact that they volunteer of their own free will is the opposite of being forced to do something, they could just... not
@@SlimeBlueMS yes, they volunteered because they loved the game and wanted to add to it. Doesn't mean it's okay to exploit them in every possible way.
The counterargument of "the volunteers can just stop and leave, they're not forced to stay" doesn't change the fact that AE is an inherently predatory company. :/
Brooooo, Rift was amazing.... I miss that skill tree. Would have been great if it was able to keep up. They lost so many people just a few months after open.
The biggest example of the sunken cost fallacy is actually WoW.
In fact, its so insanely strong that it is the reason why it didn't go into the trash bin after Cataclysm.
Highly doubt it. So many old players left, and so many new players picked it up + the game actually slows down a few months into content patches, but with new stuff people go back to clear current content. I doubt it's because of sunken cost fallacy. Makes no sense.
@@Qvik_ its moreso brand recognition, wow is so well known that the name alone is enough to draw attention, even if the quality of the game continues to decline, its wow, it will find a way to survive
The casuals all left only content they aim for or made is for end game raiding mythic grind folks and POV.
You can use many less word to say "I don't know what sunken cost fallacy means".
That one hurt but you are not wrong
Runes of Magic still gives me a chill, what a game. Memories and friendships will never be forgotten.
nice vid man i never even heard of most these games
I have played Anarchy Online for about 15 years of my life. The game is one of the best mmo’s ever created and I could never find a game like AO. The launch problems have been repaired not long after the launch. The real problems began when the game was left on the side by the owning company. Development was no longer being performed on it in favor of other games that the company produced, bugs were no longer being fixed, customer support started to decay. The game is now full of exploits, multi boxing and the population is like 60 people left. I am sad about it as I would never play another game if AO would have been kept alive.
Holy shit Flyff is still around? God damn that is a blast from the past. All I wanted was a game that let you fly back then and Flyff... Didn't really deliver.
I still thought it was the coolest shit back in like 2010
Didn't Aeon exist for a while?
That's what drove me towards Dream Of Mirror Online.
hi i've got good news for u
U should check out Flyff Project M it's an offical version of Flyff and they ran a beta test in january which was huge
they have their own discord server where they work really close together with the community
its still in development and its probably going to be a version of FlyFF thats completly new
Remember the flying combat? Yeah neither did anyone else.
I really miss Wildstar, sure had some problems but I did enjoy the goofiness, leveling was a nice experience, the dungeons were super fun and the housing oh that housing was wonderfull!
My biggest shock with Star Citizen was how they managed to not scam more people out of their money with ship NFTs. Especially since they were the first to pioneer selling jpegs for thousands.
scam?
is it really a jpeg tho? I saw the javelin fly into port olisar and toured the ship. its more than a jpeg
@@Fralsii Yes, quite simply really.
@@whosanvil You're right it's a .gif
I played Star Citizen Free Fly events in 2019 and 2020. Game breaking bugs occurred in 5-20 minute intervals on both occasions. Stuff not respawning, stuff exploding, me clipping through the floor, mission objectives disappearing, stuff not responding (mission objects and ship doors)...etc. The game is not half assembled.
Welp, that's free fly events for u :D besides some smaller stuff, when free fly isn't, there are little to no bugs at least from my experience :D
@@Michal4385 And little to no players.
@@AtotehZ And how do you possibly know that? :)
@@Michal4385 Because I check in from time to time.
I play a lot of Elite Dangerous. Star Citizen would be a welcome game to supplement it with, but it's woefully incomplete and barren of both content and players.
They should've started at a reasonable scale, then scaled up over time. Instead they never complete the game.
@@Michal4385 Saying there are no bugs in star citizen is the same as saying you've never downloaded star citizen. I mean come on, even the fucking game launcher is riddled with bugs.
Runes of Magic was amazing, and had one of the best guild experiences I've ever had. Still miss the group. I was the main healer and would help our lower leveled members by offering healing support, and then if needed, a nuke since I doubled as a mage. This was before a triple class system was put into the game, though.
Best game expirance of me life .. Machantach server . BalkanBeast was me Nick name in the Guild Rabbits.. still remmber IT 🥲
The one really positive thing you can say about Funcom is that it keeps the servers going for it’s old games. They are making money on Anarchy Online, but it’s stayed online for 2 full decades for a very small player base. And that player base has been low for quite awhile
I had good memories of conquer online as a kid. At the time I had no idea there was quests to make leveling fast so I'd just grind enemies for hours to level up. I thought 'this' was the game and I actually loved it. I was a weird kid
I almost bought Star Citizen, but paying for ships really sat poorly with me. So, I dropped $12 and bought Space Engineers where I can make infinite ships of my own, for free.
Elite dangerous is worth checking out if you are wanting a space type game it's a 1:1 scale of the milky way 400 billion different star systems to explore really and awesome game.
This ^
Avorion
@@captinundies6049 Its not a game you can play with normal mouse and keyboard thats what i dislike about it.
@@captinundies6049 so i tried elite dangerous...deleted halfway through tutorial. Trash
Danm, I spent seven years playing Conquer Online, back from 2004 to 2011. The concept of full loot PvP was what made it great at the time, you only actually lost the items from your inventory, and there were safe zones, so you wouldn't actually lose much if killed. I loved that the system of PvP was very skilled base, with skill shots on the strongest classes (back when there were only 4 classes), the jumping movement allowed for dodge and smart positioning as well. The Guild Wars were awesome as well. The game was very grindy, but that was what made it fun. They destroyed themselves by going heavily into the P2W route, it always was, but you could still make a difference by being a free player in the beginning. All good things come to an end, I suppose. I tried to get back into it in 2020, but the game really sucked, maybe it always did, and I only liked because I was a teen heavily invested into the game.
yeah it gave a reason to become strong. You had people on KOS. guildmates that helped you. people hiding for you. its still what i search in a new mmo to this day. loved the grind for better gear. because its actually almost impossible to get the best gear. they fucked it up with all the paying options. back at the start DB's weren worth the pay because you could farm them in a hour. Now they replaced 1000's hours of work in one transaction.
It stung a little to see Anarchy Online in this list since it was my first MMO and the one where I "grew up in", multiple max level chars and all that.
But I think you're absolute right that Funcom has lost its love for it. There hasn't been a new add on since 2009 (!) - that's nothing for 13 years, and the game is currently 21 years old.
I played and returned to Anarchy Online a few times. It's a great game now still with a population. I love the implant system which is how you upgrade your gear. The grid for travel around and eventually you get to buy your own spaceship. The dungeons are probably the most fun dungeons I've played in a MMO, especially mowing down mobs with a big gun or dual pistols was tons of fun!
If they would "remake" AO.. Sign me up :D
@@bradpiet Technically, they did. They came out with a new updated engine for the game. The graphics are beautiful with the new engine.
It managed to make the whole character levelling, development and gearing actually interesting process. Enough of it was not simple click and equip, but often you had to build it all up and it rewarded you for the process... There is lot of valid and good ideas in the system, but also too much clutter and poor and slow development which failed it...
Just to right the record, Anarchy Online never had more than 2 servers. It was the first MMO to have megaservers.
The game was amazing after they fixed the launch mess. The place was booming with 10's of thousands of players consistently. It truly was deep and interesting. That's my opinion but I'm sure it is shared by many old school MMO players.
Quick correction, AO had 3 servers for a while. There was Atlantean, Rimor, and Die Neue Welt, as well as the Test Live server. DNW closed first, then Rk1 and 2 merged together. But I think he poorly researched AO. The game is a shit-box today, but the game is still alive even after such a catastrophic launch; that has to speak volumes for the game's legacy and quality.
Please read my reply to soulwynd. I LOVED this game. It was just a shame the devs couldn't get out of their own way with it. The whole PVP/PVE at the same time thing just never worked.
@@SharpTony I must have stopped playing regularly before they added the DNW server. I got drawn in by SWG and played that until they wrecked it with the new "updated" game mechanics.
AQ Worlds was the first MMO I ever played, followed by RuneScape and Fiesta Online. Oh man, simpler times.
Allods Online... That used to be my favorite MMORPG. I looooved their take on the druid and pet interaction.
It was allready insanly pay to win for 5ys
@@xythiera7255 I know, but I've played it way before that when it was still mostly okay.
Nice icon/sona!
@@GoatToHeal Glad you like it.
aqw was my fav game.. I spend hours playing w/ my friends back in the days.. hahah I miss that shit always the best for me.. but nowadays its really sucks.
Was my first mmo other than gaia online (if that even counts) only because it was free. Wouldn't have interest at all in MMOs without AQW.
I remember being super into the game, but dropped out of it around 2015.
Went under the name "Original Character"
Oh man, I played Conquer Online back in the day when my main gaming pc crapped out on me. Got hooked and dropped a fair bit of money in the cash shop (don't do MT's now). For such a simple game some of my fondest pvp memories come for CO. Such as having a guild I'd keep around to declare war on my enemies with, Joining enemies guilds with alts to lure the members to my main to gank them or pitched pvp battles with my enemies as I'd level up. Wouldn't play the game today and it's basically as pay to win as it gets but fond memories without a doubt. Won't even get into my time with AO. :D
When I was in primary school, I've seen ads about Flyff in internet cafés.
10:00 and i cameback to guild wars 2 after 4 years and still can hop on my old character
I played Conquer Online back in 2004 and really liked it. I still find myself wishing I could play it like it used to be. Without the obnoxious ads and whatnot. Thinking about it now I wonder how much of my liking the game is because it was the first mmo I played. I played a bit of Adventure Quest, before Worlds was added to it. I don't think there was multiplayer to it though.
Adventure quest was a kick in the nostalgia...
I mailed in some of my saved up allowance to get a dragonfable amulet when I was in my early teens and followed it weekly.
Today I learned Warhammer 40K has an MMO
It's not an MMO in the classic sense it's a session based lobby shooter but with a large player count on either side. Planetside 40,000 it ain't.
@@Hamstertron a Planetside sized game in the 40k universe would be cool af
@@durchfallklaus4420 That why Eternal Crusade was so disappointing. They pitched it as Planetside 40,000 and turned out to be CoD 40,000
Runes of magic was my first ever mmorpg. I always watched my brother play it when i was small, and then started playing it with him when I was 12. It was a big impact for me and I still love it.
It was for me.first and best mmo ever thil this Day..
Played Anarchy Online from 2003-2007. Hands down the deepest, most complex character customization/progression system available in an MMO. Want to put endgame loot on a low level char? No problem: as long as you are math savvy and have accumulated enough wealth and resources to fuel such a project!
Not surprised at Star Citizen's inclusion haha. I'm an ardent fan of the game. I keep up with development, read the lore, play regularly (once a week or so), but I can definitely not recommend the game.
I've spent $90 to get an Avenger space ship and a Hoverbike, and that was a few years ago and I thoroughly enjoy playing singleplayer. I've not dumped any more money in, and I feel sorry for the ones that have gotten to the $1k club or even higher. The fact that there's a $27,000 pack that's gated behind having already spent $1000 is insane, and definitely shows how difficult it will be to make grinding feel worth it later on. The campaign, SQ42, was supposed to release in 2016, but will probably be 2023 at the earliest. The MMO part will be at least 2025 before Beta release, probably 2030 for full release.
It's an incredibly unique and ambitious game, but I think the cost to some people's wallets means it will never meet expectations
To be fair to Conquer Online... I and my friends played it during its peak back around 2005 and we enjoyed it quite a lot.
And back then, it was standard for games to be open PvP. It wasn't a niched thing like it is today. So there was never any thoughts about how awful it is that you could get killed. It died out from lack of updates, and simply becoming dated.
man half the fun was having someone jump near you while you were farming or playing and wondering if you were gonna start shit lol. funny jumping around as a Trojan and all the archers go airborne
I was an ARK (GM) in AO when it launched. OMG people losing their planes when they zoned. The most expensive items in the game, plus they level of the ship was random, so it could take days to get a good one.
im pleasantly surprised that my favorite game, guild wars, is not on this list. even though the player numbers are dwindling, it still is a great game imo. but im extremely biased haha
GW will always be a master piece that no one else can fully replicate
one "good" thing about gw is that it slowly transitioned more and more into a (potentially) single-player game, and works incredibly well as such, since with the way instancing works it never was a "full-on" mmo
gw mostly withstood aging badly because it transitioned into being a possible singleplayer game. Heck, even though i don't play gw 2 anymore, I still log in daily to do some zaishen stuff to this day on gw 1.
It's WORST MMORPGs, Guild Wars 1 is not of that criteria.
I have never met another person who played conquer online. I played when it was conquer 1.0 when I was like 8 years old. It was so fun for me and I tried playing it recently but it’s so different. I feel bad for my grandma because she still plays it every day and has spent over 10,000 on it over 15 years
I love rifts class and talent system. It made it so much fun to play. I just wish it was better
4:44 - I have played this game SO MUCH in the 2000s. It was the only MMO I managed to play with my PC and internet connection. I met a lot of nice people, but the game is *very* lacking in balance. But it has a cool style. Had I other options (I flat out didn't know about other games), I would not have played Conquer so much.
I'm sorry to hear that
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I remember playing Adventure Quest Worlds back in beta. I'm not sure there's another game in existence with more nostalgia for me.
I tried it again recently and it's still fun, though I don't like the more recent change in art direction. Still gorgeous, but I can't justify paying a membership anymore. Even as a kid I always hated how it wasn't a one-time purchase like Guardians in AQ or Dragon Amulets in Dragon Fable. I also HATE their focus on Adventure Quest 3D. It looks awful. I get that they're going for an oldschool MMO look, but it just looks bad. It looks like someone with very little experience with making 3D models and ZERO experience making skyboxes designed the whole thing.
That said, I'd love to get back into it if I had people to play with. None of my friends ever got into AQW back when I was in school, even though my best friend at the time was the one who introduced me to Adventure Quest, Dragon Fable, and Artix Entertainment as a whole.
I played a lot of AQW back in the day, it was my go-to while I was eating breakfast before school. I remembered finding some stunlock cheese with a ninja class or something like that. Loved it.
Your channel is awesome bro. I just got eso after watching your review as well as Tera
I felt pretty let down when I bought into star citizen. I was told by a friend that it was in a playable state and it wasn't, at least not in any enjoyable way. I then returned two years later because I'd heard that there were massive changes, and there were. It went from broken to slightly less broken.
Hi there Josh, I still play AQW regularly and still find the saesonal event absolutely amazing. It's still pretty solid but not a game I'd recommend to new players at all, it's very much all old players returning nowadays.
I hope AQW:Mobile fixes most of the issues, but I'm skeptical. That said they've done it with Dragon Quest, so it's not impossible :)
Man I remember being interested in Star Citizen....like 7 years ago. The fact that it still isn't out is...not great.
That’s actually the good thing. They have a massive scope that let look red dead redemption for example like a dwarf. And that took about 12 years.
So, 7 years isn’t really long for that scope. And it’s the scope and that they take the time to properly develop the game, that is the selling point. If you don’t have the patience that’s ok, you can play them other games with a smaller scope. Like... Anthem... fallout76... no mans sky at release... cyberpunk... or all the other buggy releases games that really did not anything new. If that’s good enough for you, you don’t need Star citizen.
@@Grimshak81 This comment make me think that actually most games dont announce themselves until they have at most 1 or 2 more years of development remaining yet, even if they have been in development for years. Maybe to avoid what is happening to Star Citizen?
Something like that happen to Final Fantasy VII too, i think?
@@deficit06 one to two years before release is best to start a hype train.
A crowdfunding project cannot afford that luxury: without marketing from day one there would be no development at all.
SC doesn’t take too long, it’s the customer who simply learns now how long big games take to be made.
@@Grimshak81 why do you guys always bring up Red dead redemption 2 while its 8 years of development was spent coding horse balls' animation?
@@yurigagarine6998 because it took also a very long time while still being of much smaller scope.
I'm so glad I came across your videos. Definetly subscribing. I'm sure you'll grown bigger in no time!
#1 reasons could also be BDO tbh. Most of my friends playing have spent so much they have trouble quitting while doing nothing but complaining about it. lol
Yeah the sunk cost fallacy keeps so many people playing so many games
as a person used to play bdo in 2018 i can confirm this.
@Mirion Mir you're welcome, once you can see the sunk cost fallacy in your life, you're able to make much better choices
Lol Bdo is never gona die just like Gta and Tera
Thats what kept me playing warframe so long. I was a founder and played since the start on pc and ps4.... spent over 1k$ over the years and invested so much time i just kept lying to myself about the state of the game. Ignoring all the problems and glaring issues with it and white knighting it, attacking all those who criticized it.... then one day i just... woke up and it all hit me and realized my mistake and how shitty i was to people who ended up being right. We feel so invested $ and time wise, we literally lie to ourselves sometimes. Since i made that mistake, i find it so hard to get invested in any game, which kinda sucks since i want to get int oa game but i cant find one worth my time.
Oh my god, I remember playing Adventure Quest Worlds, and another sidescroller sci fi game on Flash. Damn. I’m pretty young but even so my first memories of having internet connection was this game and some shooter hell helicopter game on an old website that probably doesn’t exist anymore.
MechQuest?
Conquer Online was the first MMO I’ve ever played me and my older brothers used to play it all the time I guess it’s nostalgia but I have a soft spot for that game lol.
Man I remember playing AQ Worlds and having a great time. Last thing I remember doing on there was working on unlocking the Chronomancer class. Also, side note, noticing a lack of comments about Star Citizen. Good.
Oh wow, I loved playing Adventure Quest Online. That was such a great game to play, I kinda miss it.
AQW is my favorite casual game. Really easy to go in and out, chill and funny and it scratches my love for character customization like nothing else. Also, I've been playing since 2013 without spending a dime and I really think it's not pay to win at all. Member gives you access to more items, sure, but the sheer amount of free items make up for that, also the best classes in the game can be farmed 100% for free.
I miss dcuo. It was my job in high school. It helped me buy my first car. Best mmorpg I had ever played. When The pay to win started the game went downhill FAST.
I played anarchy online in the mid 00s and it was great, insanely cool customization, twinking and theorycrafting and back then all 3 servers were packed with more than enough players to not feel alone there. Plus the community is great and that includes GMs and ARKs (players that help players)...
Rift being on here really makes me sad. I was there on launch day, and loved it. They had to take the servers down at one point, quoting an hour, and it was back up in like 40 minutes. They had a lot going for them. I had a blast getting two chars to max, and a third quite high. Truly a pity a game with such great potential just fell short.
Adventure quest worlds, oh the memories, middle school, trying to become a vampire werewolf, getting my premium account physed away and never getting my character or membership back, ah yes those were the days
Allods really was good I still love the design and stuff. Played in Russian Sub server for a while but nope. Community is toxic. The devs and company is toxic. Game is p2w and classes are never balanced.
3:43, funny thing is that hype and promises is what killed eternal crusade. Otherwise, its actually a fun game. I had 0 expectations of it and knew nothing when i bought it back in the day. I played around 300h in it since then and the only reason I had to drop it was because it became impossible to find matches. Yes, there were some broken stuff, but it had a lot going on, they just needed more devs/support to deliver on promises. If it wasn't for the dead servers, i would probably still play it every now and again
I'm 50/50 on SC. I mean they are making progress on it. Very very very very slowly. But they have a tremendously ambitious goal, actually too ambitious.
However selling ships with outrageous pricetags is grimey af. There are absolutely no excuses for that.
Yeah the ship thing feels like they are totally taken advantage of the community. I was someone who was interested and willing to wait (I never backed it or anything) but the game feels so toxic and crazy I'm just going to skip it at this point if it ever comes out. I don't know a single person who plans to buy it when its out.
But you don't need to pay for it. You can just play, earn in-game and buy it.
@@idontevenknow9758 I don't really see where "toxic" is coming from, other than it's a buzzword now-a-day. I would agree, you shouldn't spend much on SC if it's something you want to play, but you don't have to. Guess he also forgot to mention that you can get full access to the current Alpha/Pre-Alpha (and playable) state, for $40 or $45. Sometimes lower during events. Yes there is no set release date, but it IS playable. There's a good bit to do but it does get boring.
Why mention that you can get full access for about $45 when you can just talk about the, by FAR, most expensive ship you can buy, right? But yeah, ship prices are a bit insane. Good thing you can buy most of them in-game.
@@hansyolo8277 what I mean by toxic is the level of the elitism that came out especially with that refund story that happened. Basically we’re a bunch of players said refunds should be illegal and a bunch outlandish things that struck me as deeply unhealthy like they are obsessed with the game. I know that’s not all of the players but that incident I found concerning.
@@hansyolo8277 but either way I’ve lost interest in the game completely. I have so many others I want to try on my own backlog plus so much is coming out soon. That game humankind I’m super excited about. I hope other people enjoy star citizen when it’s finally out but the ship has sailed for me.
Wow, Flyff... I never played that game, but I can remember seen their banner advertisements everywhere I went long ago.
how dare you insult my precious Anarchy Online!😂it was my first mmorpg. Cost my parents so much in ISDN fees and it took a few tries before I understood anything at all. It had the best community ever, parties and someone even ran an online anarchy online radio channel where you could whisper in requests and shoutouts! it was incredible. Many good virtual memories. I thought it was doing pretty well for a few years
I absolutely loved playing Flyff every day and night when I was younger. It was difficult but rewarding, with huge world events, and a wonderful community.
It's all gone now.
Same! Many, many years ago that was. I loved the community too!
I remember back when the owner would do some 1 v 200 pvp shit once a month. it was so amazing
I agree with you on number 1 for the most part. I do have some ships myself (also spent too much money on other MMOs I never ended up playing, don't worry), but I would not recommend it to anyone until it's released or close to a release date and I've had a chance to try a beta of sorts. I still have hope for Star Citizen, but I would not recommend it in 2020 or probably even 2021.
I'm absolutely loving Tree of Savior, even though there seem to be a huge number of broken quests. In fact, I'm playing it now.
ToS right now is a fun game to play, that's a fact
but still has many flaws, and that's sad
@@Assumptio There seem to be quite a few broken quests, and sometimes my character stops dead whilst running for no apparent reason, as if his feet got stuck to the ground or something.
@@MorganScorpion Are you using mouse mode? If so, you will be frustrated by the insane amount of objects that you can't interact with. And you will stop running if you click on anything that isn't the background image :(
@@benardolivier6624 Yes, I am using mouse mode. But I could try keyboard for when I encounter an obstacle, thanks to your input! Then switch back to mouse. I really dislike the WASD way of moving about.
Idk, I absolutely loved Allods when it came out. But then the cash shop happened and poof, 90% of the pop left.
For those who knew, Asee Teph PvP was the most fun I've ever had in a MMO.
Allods was a gem back around the 2012s. What WoW was to most people Allods was to me. I loved the art style, and the combat, but most of all, I loved the Mentor system. I had a very cool Mentor who would push me to try and understand my class more and more (I was a Psionicist), and thanks to them, I not only ended up loving the game that much more, I also ended up being able to solo some bosses that requires entire coordinated groups to handle.
Still, that was then, today is now. I decided to try Allods with my girlfriend once and I was just...sad. Instantly given a max level boost and epic gear containers. My Mentor had long since moved onto a game (WildStar, which ended up also crashing and me losing all contact with them), and the cash shop was only worse than I remember it being. We just kind of left, with me feeling sad I won't get to relive my earlier years then.
Man, Anarchy Online was far ahead of it's time with some brilliant ideas that I see new MMOs implement.
The PS1 graphics really hurt it though.
It was great.
I feel sorry for the actors involved in Star Citizen. I remember naively saying logical things on the Star Citizen subreddit and getting absolutely pummeled by so many delusional neckbeards. They all say that good things take time in many threats in many ways but I'm glad I'm not them.
Everything that has been said about Star Citizen was said about Duke Nukem Foever, and I hate to say it but I smell the piles of excrement from both even now.
@@tripolarmdisorder7696 Granted I don't think the sunk cost fallacy used in the video works quite as well for the steaming pile that is Duke Nukem Forever. I might play SC for free to check it out should it ever release or if it is one time pay depending on reviews could see myself trying it out. But to sink money in before a release and all you got to show for it is pretty visuals and a promise, yea people got scammed by someone selling them a dream.
@@dnw009 Star Citizen frequently have free trial weekends, often in conjunction with free trial of many of the available ships. It has quite fun gameplay, especially the space combat part. But you will have to be tolerant of some buggy and immersion breaking behaviour.
lol? u have like game you can play for what, 40 dollars? and its out now? you can play it, do a lot of things? wtf?
No matter how good Star Citizen will be when it finally releases, it won't be as good as the unpaid hype engine has made it out to be.
I want it to be good, great even, I just hear thousands of Peter Molyneux in the background hyping this thing well past reasonable proportions.
I remember playing Adventure Quest and AQ Worlds many years ago. I think I'll jump back in for a little while.
Tree of Savior and Allods Online it's 2 of my favorite MMOs to play and level in. It's a side MMO I play and I'm not trying to reach max level but I enjoy the gameplay and the leveling experience.
mine too mainly tree of savior, the game has changed a lot since its release, a pity that still has a bad reputation.
When I clicked this video I got an ad for Albion online. It was almost at the end I realized that your list hadn't even started yet.
Maybe TH-cam is secretly weighing in on this?
AO and RoM are still running? Man, I spent some serious time in those games years ago.
Wow, so you actually did do Flyff already. Pretty accurate too, cash shop predatory grindfest game.
They released a browser-based version of the game called "Flyff Universe" last year, but, sadly, it suffers from the same Cash Shop greed. Despite this, free to play players do stand a decent chance in making success compared to the other version. The time sink has also been mitigated to a degree: they added dungeons that multiple levels can run.
I've played thousands of hours of Anarchy Online. It's still my favorite mmo, but I've done almost everything there is to do in it. If someone modernized AO, I'd have to say goodbye to my family.
I was really hyped for this one. My best friend and I got it on launch and we went nuts because it was the first futuristic MMORPG as far as we were concerned. We had played Everquest, and there was another one we played that I can't remember the name of but completely screwed up a few classes like in the Wizard tree there was the Earth Wizard, but it didn't have any 50th level spells or anything (which was highest level at the time). It was my friend's main class and the developers said, "Well, it was never intended to be a fully fledged class." And the response was, "The game SAYS it is. It is listed as "a class." If it isn't a viable one it shouldn't be IN THE GAME!" This same game had a Necromancer class that had such crazy restrictions on the control of your pet. In order to issue on command you had to be looking away from your pet, standing downhill from it. To cast another spell the enemy couldn't be looking at you...it was complete nonsense.
We had enough of the fantasy/medieval settings. What killed AO was the company's insistence that it be PVE and PVP at the same time, and they could never get the balancing right. The Engineer wasn't the best in the game.....at ENGINEERING! Then they completely destroyed the class by not allowing the pet to hold aggro for a class solely dependent upon the pet to do damage. They completely deleted a pistol called The Freedom Arms, which was an AMAZING weapon. They replaced it with something else that was horrific and didn't even use the same weapon skills as the previous gun. They were also not worth as much as the gun they automatically replaced the originals with. This completely broke yet ANOTHER character for my friend and he quit. On top of that, crafting was completely broken. It is a shame, because it was a very cool game with a neat atmosphere.
Wow,i started playing aq worlds, but then took a brreak to check other artix titles, might come back one day. Also thanks for mentioning the band, never heard of them before so now i have new nice music to listen to. :)
Oh boy, Anarchy brings back memories. I was entirely too young to really understand the game when I played it, but I played it every day with my dad, and for that reason alone, it has a very special place in my heart. So sad to see it in that state. It was so stupid cool that you could connect to the guild chat with IRC and make bots and stuff. Wish other games did that!
You needed a degree to understand the stats 🤣
"It was so stupid cool that you could connect to the guild chat with IRC and make bots and stuff."
Wasn't cool that it was a major security risk and anyone accessing your guild bot could read your guild's chat. Handy in pvp related stuff.
Better chance of seeing another George Martin Novel than Star Citizen.
Or Half Life 3 coming out.
10 years on AQW and I'm still level 10. Only pop in like once a year now for collectible loot in the shops/seeing whats happening, good memories tho.
I played AQW back in the day because my dad got me hooked on wow when I was 7 and for various reasons, I wasn't able to play wow aside from once a month for like 2 days a month so AQW was what I played to fill the void. Also, it ran on my shitty 2002 desktop.
Have u gone over The secret world in a video? I played that way back when it first came out
i paid £40 for a starter package in star citizen. since then i have played hours of content in it. yes its in development and yes it has bugs but there are a lot of fully released games that have game breaking bugs. i can see both sides of the argument but i would say that if you are having fun then its worth the initial cost(which is the same as any other game). personally i will not spend more than the starter package cost but i still can use in game currency to get any ship in game.
I've been very on/off about AQW. A year passes by and I suddenly want to play it again, then I spend a month playing it constantly before never touching it again for another year.
4:33
Warhammer 40k:
"Maybe the war was over, everyone died and the Tyranids finally won"
Almost died laughing at your hilarious comment; the irony of the fate of this game compare to the lore XD
I thought I would finally have your opinion on Ragnarok Online when you showed a few images of it in the intro... :/
I have seen full loot open PvP work in exactly one game. It's a good chunk of the appeal of Eve Online
To certain people yes. To others, it’s exactly why they stopped playing EVE.
it works well in ultima online
Almost a full year later and star citizen still doesnt have a release date
Star citizen will have a release date shortly before launch. Not because a publisher wants to finish a certain fiscal year. That they focus on quality instead of an early release is not the weakness, it’s the strength.
...you can play fallout76 or Anthem or Cyberpunk meanwhile...
@@Grimshak81 it's been 10 years, which is what the movie Avatar took. And I actually enjoyed Cyberpunk. Quality means nothing when people are starting to truly lose faith. They have quality? Then put something out. It's been 10 years and we don't even have an open beta, much less a playable alpha. I fully support Josh here, especially as someone who is preparing to and has connections in the videogame and MMO industry. It is a business, just like everything else, and a business doesn't run on promises alone.
For Anarchy Online there has been steady engine updates throughout the years and it doesn't look half bad right now. Server wise I'm pretty sure there's always been just two as things are instanced so you and your friend may be in the same place but still in different dimensions.
It's sad what has happened to that absolute gem of a game. Character builder system and the weapon/gear/spell system is still way above anything I've seen since.
It's still very much worth trying out just to see what it's like but as said, you may not have very good experience when it comes to player counts.
I do still consider it best ever MMO I've ever played. Even after jumping to WoW right after AO (and later jumped back to AO briefly).
If the game still had enough players, provided the server's are stable, I'd still hop back to it to play daily.
Unfortunately its been sold to a Chinese company and the game is rife with duping and other exploits. It needs private servers so people that actually care for the game can curate it.
The words 'runes of magic' unlocked memories I didn't even know I had.
100% agree with Star Citizen. At this point you're better off playing Elite Dangerous which is a game in full swing and is already reaching what Star Citizen promised with less money to sink.
Aha. Why so many people play the alpha of Star citizen instead of elite dangerous then? ^^
Besides: many play both. It’s totally possible.
Flyff was my first MMO outside of a browser, me and my friends loved it to bits. Shame we can't play it anymore.
This channel needs 100x more subs.