Pyzel "White Tiger" Surfboard Review Ep 132
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this episode, Noel Salas reviews the Pyzel "White Tiger" Surfboard. TJ from Pyzel shares a bit about the Pyzel Ghost family of surfboards and compares the White Tiger, the Gremlin and the Astro Pop. The White Tiger has a flatter deck, a little less rocker on the nose and tail versus the Gremlin. Noel says it has more down the line speed than the Gremlin and allows you to get past flat sections. It's got a fuller rail but is a bit tapered. The bottom contours vary the most out of the Ghost family of surfboards. The Gremlin has a squash tail, more rocker and most like it for more high-performance surfing. Both TJ and Noel like riding it with a quad set up, but it can also pack a punch when the waves get shoulder high with a thruster set up. Noel then takes the 5'3 26.2 L to the pool and rides it with Asa. They are both stoked on the amazing rail-to-rail transitions where they ride it as a Twin plus Trailer. Overall, this board is great for 1- to 3-foot mushy waves and those with a little extra texture. Noel finishes by comparing the White Tiger, the Gremlin and the Astro Pop Surfboards and explains the difference between a squash tail and a swallow tail. Watch the full review to see which board will suit your style of surfing. Enjoy!
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5'3" x 19.13 x 2.31 (26.2L)
Noel's Height 5'9" (175.26cm) Weight 170lbs (77.11kg)
Perfect first shorter board for me transitioning into intermediate level surfing. This board in the 6'4 has been amazing for stability and getting in early for some feet time. Very happy!
Stoked you are loving it!!
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Cheers for the kind words and encouragement
Honestly one of my favorite board reviews thus far - I so appreciate the time, effort, energy and love you put into this. It’s hard work and you’re doing it extremely well in a thoughtful, obviously considered way. But crap - now I want a White Tiger for my small, weak South Carolina waves.
Keep crushing it, Noel. Much respect and gratitude.
Cheers for the kind words and encouragement!! So stoked you can see how much time and thought we put into each episode. Cheers
Pyzel needs to bring his widest point back to at least the middle of the board, if not a bit behind half way. For JJF etc, they're riding solid hollow waves all the time and the Pyzels obviously go excellently. But get them in mush or even normal beachies and you have issues (unless you are small and light). No rocker boards are also a pain in the butt. Again, all the reviews have light guys on very short low-litre boards, so it can't be extrapolated out to heavier bigger guys forced onto longer boards.
How is your THR going Noel? I'm up for it in the next year or two. Dislocation and flexibility etc will be a worry, at least for a while. One surgeon said to me if a big wave hits me wrong it could dislocate it without me even pushing it while riding.
Hey Noel, What fins setup do you prefer quad ou 2 plus 1, i buy this board and start as a quad specilly with more punch Waves , what do you prefer in this board?
I like Quad and Twin + 1 roughly the same. If the waves are fast and punchy then I would go Quad. If the waves are smaller and I want to surf the pocket a bit more vertical then Twin + 1
perfect review. i vote for the gremlin..😉
Woooo!!! Comin' in HOTT🔥
You guy's were killing it in the pool on the 2+1 set up!!!
A big extended Vee with deep double concave has been my extra decision and direction to shapers on my last two custom boards... All Aussie local shapers used here and I'll never change this design UPGRADE in any future buys from any shaper!!!!! It works well on the East Coast and our typical beaches need foam, wide tail with lighting turn ability and speed!! Still will never buy from an Hawaiian shaper but Pyzel is getting the basics for world sales on this one!!!!
Hi Guys, I have a 5’10 White Tiger in the Dark Arts. Had it for about three weeks. I think I went a little big with the 5’10. I have had some amazing waves on it. The “V” is very pronounce in the tail making the transition from rail to rail real good (kinda like with Noel in the pool). Anyways, I keep buying new boards ( I bought BLack Vulture II, White Tiger and Pyzelalien II in the last nine months) and have to get rid of a few. So I am selling mine for $750. I live in San Diego if anyone is interested.
Whats your opinion on the BV2?
@@joaoacolonnezi6493 I got the board because I like to generate a lot of speed down the line and hit big turns. To kick it up a notch, I got it in EPS and ride it as a quad (my normal preference). There is no doubt that the board is fast. In a lot of cases too fast. I tried to settle it down with a thruster set up and a 2+1 but it was just too much. A better surfer might make it work better. I struggle with it a bit. My favorite board ever is a Pyzelalien II in EPS. So easy to ride. Very fast. Can fly into turns with tons of control.
@@brianfleming1310 Yeah I think maybe for the BV2 a Performer large fin would go better. I dont like 2+1 and quad as much. It lacks too much control and pivot.
You still selling?
@@andreveiga9598 sold it.
Oh man you ripping as usual but it looks like you are kind of under volumed.
What else is new lol
He rides grom dims
Noel I am looking at this board to fill a "high performance groveler" category I made up to justify having so many boards. In terms of speed and performance, is this board out performing my Hydra? I'm hoping to get a little more vertical agility and rippability in the pocket without sacrificing too much speed. I have a RW and Storms TT and love both but for waves 1 notch down, I'm torn between WT and Gremlin or just sticking with my hydra. As always, thank you for your time and insight!
The WT out performs the Hydra for sure.
thank you for confirming my assumption! I appreciate the feedback@@surfnshowreviews7777
Hi Noel, thanks for your effort on these board reviews I really love your channel. I've got a question and hope you can help me out. I consider myself as a low intermediate surfer and ride a Chili Red Peppa 5'5, 19 1/4 and 2 1/4 (not sure the liter) currently. I bought this board when I was 55kg and now I'm 71kg. I'm still able to catch wave but getting tried easily. Therefore I consider to get white tiger with more volume. Would you recommend me to go for 5'5(29.5lt) or 5'6(30.1lt)? I'm 5'7 tall and where I surf the wave is around 2~4 ft, beach break and can be mushy sometime. Thanks!
Your liter range is 30-32L. More foam here is your friend. I say 5’6”
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the recommendation 🙏🙏
Bro what is more forgiving and easier to catch waves with, the lost RNF or this White Tiger?
Thanks!
White Tiger paddles better and easier to shred in 1-3’ surf… however that’s the size this board was made for. If your looking for a Daily Driver that will shred the smaller waves and rip in overhead waves to then go 96. If you’re just buying a Groveler go White Tiger.
Thanks man you’re the best 👌🙏
Would this fit in the all rounder category or strictly groveler considering you putting in 1-3’ waves? Considering between this, Gremlin or RNF 96’ to cover most days 1-4’ that’s easy to catch waves but still performance oriented.
The Gremlin and RNF 96 are better for your daily driver as all around type boards.
nice one. Red Tiger review coming soon? looking forward to the Inferno FT as well! really love to know how the PU goes compared to the Dart Arts...
Both coming soon
I had the gremlin, my first pyzel. Unfortunately I didn't connect with it, always having shitty surfs on it so so sold it. Next 😂
Are you planning to do the frk+? New ibolic and volcanic construction on the board
Not at this time... the FRK looks pretty good but not too many requests for it from our community. I would like to review the new Volcanic Construction though.
The Gremlin looked way better under your feet to be honest
Both boards are super fun. The waves were better on the Gremlin and it suits my style of surfing better.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Where is the apex of the rocker on W Tiger vs the Gremlin?
@@ds724 That’s a question for Jon Pyzel
Hey Noel again I bought a white tiger due to your reviews but I’m a bit stuck on the fin side quad or two two plus , this is my summer board for groveling waves . Opinion please , cheers
I say Twin + Trailer… my Pivot Twins + Trailer go mental in that board. Check them out here…
surfnshow.com/products/twin-fins-p-twin-1
Hi Noel, hope your good. Question about traction. I'm finding it annoying when knees are laying on top of the back kick of the traction pad when paddling. This happens when I surf board's shorter than my height. After not using traction pads for a few years I'm trying to get used to them again, and on shorter boards. Do your knees hit the back of pad when paddling?
Yes, my knees are on the pads of my shorter boards too.
Hey Noel, thanks for all the information you provide in these reviews! I'm currently looking to replace my firewire baked potato (5' 3" 32L) for a small wave board that has a little more performance and is a little smaller than my baked potato, but is still good for 1-3' surf.
I'm considering the white tiger and the bobby quad. My current quiver is a 5' 4" (27.2L) RNF 96 (favorite board) and a 5' 5" Gremlin (28.2 L) (I don't use this board much because I prefer the RNF 95% of the time and I've found this board to struggle in mushier/messy waves).
Would you recommend the white tiger or bobby quad to replace the Baked Potato and what volume would you recommend about? I'm 5'5", 135lbs. Thanks, I appreciate the advice!
In 1-2’mushy waves I say WT.
Red Tiger review next?
At some point not next though
Awesome, loved the review. Thanks
Hey Noel! It's Tony from Cayucos! I bought most of your fins and love them! My 5'6" HP Small Wave epoxy swallow tail Shaped By Scott Crump, needed some large raked fins. Futures AM2's worked really well, but not perfect!? I bought the NVS AM Comps (Large). But, the trailer fin seemed to lack the base I needed? So, I substituted it out for your NVS/SurfnShow/Raked (15.40 Med/Lg.Trailer) and the MAGIC happened! Speed, Power, and Flow! Control over my speed like no other fins on this Magic 5'6" Swallow...Yew!!! Thank you and God bless you and yours my brother!
Epic post… magic boards happen more often when you dial in the fins. Good on you for putting in the time to dial in your sleds
Awesome clip Noel.Will you do a review of grovellers?Like to see JS Flaming Pony and other boards in this category
I got the JS Sub Zero and Black Baron 2.1 coming soon
Another great review and advice as always. I think you surf the Gremlin way better than the White Tiger in the Ocean but pretty similar once your in the wave pool, the flow and turns just looked way better on the Gremlin. Keep shredding Noel.
Anyone surfed both the WT and the PJ? Slightly different outline, but if i remember the concept around that was prounced vee out the back
Need you to do a second video on the G-Skate….but this time no Gudauskas brothers, just you and your thoughts and opinions.
This or the machocado?
@@hoseaesp6309 I say WT… more performance and faster
Epic review, you are ripping! Do you prefer Bobby Quad or the White Tiger for 1 - 3 ft mushy beachbreaks? Which one works best for front footed surfers? Keep up on the good work.
I like the WT better… however for front footed surfers the BQ might go a bit better do to it having a little more entry rocker
Cheers!!! Thanks for answering! Your surfing seens to be back on the level pre surgery, legend!
You liked the Chili BV 2 swallow tail for speed so I’m surprised about the deference to squash tail for speed
Great job on including TJ! He does a very good job of explaining the boards in a simple way. And he rips!
Hey Noel, would the WT be similar to the lost HP puddle jumper? Cheers
Jackson Matthew Lopez Laura Jackson Lisa
Harris Daniel White Margaret Rodriguez Sarah
Great Review, White Tiger or Gskate? For midle age surfer? BR
White Tiger
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thx
Great review. Red Tiger review next?
Coming soon
Hey Noel how does this compare to the Machado Seaside? Thanks 🤙🏼🌊
No real comparison… the WT is a Groveler that offers excellent down the line speed with more fin options to get you in the pocket tighter compared to the Seaside.
Seaside surfs more latterly… it’s fast and fun but not really designed to surf the pocket.
I like the WT better for my style of surfing.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the comprehensive response Noel!! Safe surfing 🏄🏼♂️
Brown Thomas Walker Brenda White Carol
Twin + trailer look spicy!
It’s a fish without a fishtail
hi Noel, thanks again for the great review! One day you'll have to let us know what's your favourite board ever...😉
Wilson Lisa Robinson Melissa Davis Patricia
Hey Noel, any idea where Rob Machado's Too Fish stands in comparison to the Seaside or original Go Fish? Had your hands on one yet?
No idea… sorry
Great review! Is it similar to the CI RW Sq?
Not really… the WT has low entry and low exit rocker. The WT also has a fuller outline…. More of a hybrid
Hi mate, why don’t you ever review DHD boards? Loving the MF twin so well worth a review
Cheers 🤙🏼
They don’t send boards in for review. I used to review them… it’s on the folks at DHD
Hey Noel just got this board and wondering do you reckon to surf it as quad or 2 + 1?
If you’re a Thruster guy.. then start as a Twin + Trailer. If you love Quads… then start as a Quad first
Awesome work as always noel. Good stuff mate
Great review how does the white tiger compare to the BV2? Thanks
Both boards are sick. The WT will paddle better and go a bit faster in small mushy waves. The BV2 has a better wave range… more of a 1 board quiver
Thanks bro, I appreciate the feedback. Very helpful.
When would you choose a gremlin over white tiger and vice versa? Looking at one for here in Hawaii
White Tiger is faster and best in 1-3’ surf. The Gremlin does sharper turns and offers a bit more performance in the pocket.
I would choose the WT in 1-2’ surf…
Lopez Angela Harris Helen Hall Laura
I'am thinking you should have ridden as a thruster.
I did... I even mentioned that in the review.... I liked the WT a bunch with a Twin + Trailer set up.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 i have some fcs power twins, would they be worth a shot with a trailer?
@@mxmaniac05 Yes, give them a go
Thanks from sw Australia 🇦🇺 Noel 🤙🏽
how would it compare to the chilli bv2 🤙
Hi Noel, any plan to review the new Pyzel Precious soon? Thanks
Not at this time
Are you planning on reviewing the red tiger? Also, looks like you’ve recovered well from surgery, you’re ripping! 🤙🏼
would love to see red tiger as well :D
If going dark arts option would you recommend going down a size? 6'5 210, intermediate (10 years). Was looking at the 5'11 in PU but wondering if i should go to 5'10 in DA. Feel free anyone in the community to chip in to give Noel a break from answering so many questions :).
I say 5’10 in DA
@spiffjiff05 did you end up picking one up? Wondering how it’s working for you. I’m the exact same build as you and interested in grabbing one. Thinking about doing a custom at 5’11 and making it a tiny bit thicker and wider since I’m east coast US surfing small stuff
WT vs CI ultra joe?
That’s a good heat… the WT might be a little faster but the UJ has a better wave range and quicker pivot into the lip
Did you try this board as a thruster? How did that compare to quad and twin?
Watch the review
Awesome clips and surfing from the pool. Enjoying the transition!
Wow! Already sold out at Surf Station! Great review, Noel!
Hi Noel. Great review. What would you prefer if you had to choose one. White tiger flys Astro pop. Cheers
Super responsive pivots fast. Looks nice under john's feet
Hey Noel, are you going to make a video on frontside and backside reverses on patreon at some point
Yes… if our Patrons want it?? There is a handful of Patrons asking for it.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I speak for all of us Patrons we need one from the master himself
Hi noel,Thanks for this review. How does it go as a Pu?
I’m sure it will go good… I say 1-2’ mushy waves go Epoxy
yew!
great episode Man , know what’s crazy I’ve been riding a Custom high performance fish I designed for the past two years .. and one day I said I’m taken the Hayden shapes Hypto Krypto OUT lol !! DUDE I had so much Fun on it ! its been so many years sense I rode the thing lol ...
Figured I share an old board lol ... the best fin setup I did on that Hayden was Bamboo + carbon wrap fins up front and a Almerick. honey comb as the Center fin .. Thruster setup ..
That board lacked Drive but with that fin combo I managed to get it to go pretty good ..
only thing is it doesn’t like HIGH speed .. gets very skatie .. it needed a little more concave in the tail ..
Looks like a DHD phoenix
Focused info !
Let's start a gofundme to get Noel back to the ocean
I’m really happy in Texas… thanks anyways
I’ve been thinking about buying a groveler style board for East Coast U.S.A. style waves. Mostly surfing Jacksonville area but I do surf trips every now and then so I want versatility. What would you recommend between White Tiger, Channel Islands rocket wide squash, and CI G Skate?
I’m a larger surfer at 6’4” about 190lbs
Yeah TJ! Kailua ripper right there!
white tiger or puddle jumper hp?
WT grovels better and it’s faster down the line
Great review! how would the mini ghost compare to the white tiger?
Hi. The White Tiger is much more of a fish style board and the Mini Ghost is more of a daily driver design with a much narrower overall outline and more rocker
Can you compare the white tiger vs the seaside ? Thanks a lot and thanks for the good content 🤙
Seaside is a performance fish. Completely different sleds but both are epic.
WT will grovel better do to less overall rocker. The WT offers a bit more versatility with 5 fin boxes. (Quad, Thruster, Twin + Trailer. For mushy waves and wave pool shredding I prefer the WT.
I don’t know Noel, this board looks a little sluggish overall? Although it seemed to come alive way more in the pool
Noel we are still waiting for the full review of the Happy Everyday :) when is it coming out ?
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you rate the white tiger or is sub zero?
I don’t understand your question???
@surfnshowreviews7777 sorry mate auto correct. What do you prefer the JS sub Xero or the pyzel white tiger? Love your reviews- the best
@@PaddyAU White Tiger
Can you please do a review of the DHD interceptor?
nice. I'm waiting for red tiger 🐅 review.. thanks for the best show
Would you say this is one of the if not best groveller for an advanced surfer?
Awesome reviews btw.Keep up the great work
@@ecole1 The WT is epic… not sure I would say it’s the best Groveler for advanced surfer. I think the Gremlin suited my style better to be honest.
Thanks Noel.All the best mate
Sorry how would you compare the WT to the Lost RNF 96 or Chilli in your best hybrid board review?Or is the WT more of a 1-3 ft groveller?
@@ecole1 the WT is a Groveler… no comparison to those other boards in bigger waves
Yeww sick vid, let’s see the red tiger 👀👀
TJ has quite the ape drape
All I want is a Red Tiger with enough volume to float my 6"3" 215lb body without having to resort to a small wave groveler type of board like the white tiger. Hope Pyzel does an XL version of the Red Tiger.
Cool to see how the WT and Gremlin differ.
Pyzel Does make an XL Red Tiger model. It is my thought that essentially you could bump up dimensions to get your volume while keeping overall design of the shape with any board and call it an "XL" or "bro" dims model.
@@BS-dg8cd looks like pyzel actually makes an official XL version for it now. quite cool to see.
Shoutout Country Club Surf Club!
Hey Noel, i wish i would’ve seen a video like your how to go from beginner to intermediate one when i started surfing. In 2020 a buddy and I decided to start surfing. We told the worker at a surf shop our situation being brand new to surfing. They sold us both NSP Tinder-D8 5’10 19 5/8 2 3/8 29.9L
I Am 5’11 165Lbs. Soon as we bought them we went straight into the water and were able to stand up on them by the end of the day. We continued surfing that board for awhile. Although i got to a point where i could stand up consistently, i wanted start surfing down the line instead of just straight ahead. I Still have a hard time paddling as well as catching a bunch of waves and want to start surfing down the line. I bought a Sampler 5’8 stock board & a Two Happy 5’9 stock board thinking they would make me a better surfer. I don’t know where to go from here and would really appreciate some advice on how to progress my surfing from here. Should i get a different board? What should i practice? Thanks in advance brother🤙🏼
People new to surfing often make the mistake of believing that a smaller, more high-performance board will help them be better surfers quicker, but you are much better off riding a bit bigger/longer board while mastering the basics. Learning how to surf is partially a numbers game-- the more waves you ride the faster you will improve. My simple rule is "if you are not catching waves than you are not having fun or getting better" and riding too small a board is gonna have you missing waves. Work your way up to the more advanced size/designed boards because trying to skip stages will only e.nd up holding you back
@@PyzelSurfboardsInternational Thank you for the reply🤙🏼 That makes perfect sense. Exactly how i’ve been feeling recently cause i’ve been struggling to get waves it just hasn’t been as fun. If i start catching waves i’ll have a blast again. What board model and height/liters would you recommend with me being 5’11 165lbs & being a higher level beginner? I able able to stand up 7 times out of 10 on my 5’10 and 5’8 board and ride 3-4ft waves whenever i do drop in the wave but i just have trouble catching a bunch of waves and trying to get consistent with my pop ups/drop in and am trying to start riding down the line instead of straight forward.
Stocked to see you back!!!
Happy to be back at it
Red tiger?
Eventually… still need time in the ocean. Hang tight
@Surf n Show Reviews take ur time bro. I always look fwd to watch you rip it awp! 🤙
Brown Larry Lopez Christopher Garcia Mary
Thanks for the review! Do you prefer the WT or the Bobby Quad?
White Tiger in 1-3’ surf
Great review. I think the board has to much foam....but yeahhh...as you mention for 1 to 2 foot it looks good
Hall Timothy Williams David Martin Donna
With traction pad placement on white tiger having a 2+1trailer fin setup. Should my backfoot be directly over the trailer fin? Glenn.
That’s where I like my back foot…. All the way back
I’ve been thinking about buying a groveler style board for East Coast U.S.A. style waves. Mostly surfing Jacksonville area but I do surf trips every now and then so I want versatility. What would you recommend between White Tiger, Channel Islands rocket wide squash, and CI G Skate?
I’m a larger surfer at 6’4” about 190lbs
The WT will grovel the best out for these 3 boards. It’s best in 1-3’ surf but not great for overhead waves.
The RW Squash is a good daily driver board and best in 3-5’+ surf. You will need to work for speed in 1-3’ mushy waves but it’s a really fun board.
The G-Skate is better as a Daily Driver board too. Not a sure fast Groveler in small waves but surprisingly good in overhead surf.
My first pick for a 1 board quiver is the Lost RnF 96.
This board just looked plain bad under Noel's feet. Despite the flatter rocker it looked slow and boggy. Can't tell if it's that he's undervolumed or that despite the flat rocker this board still wants curvier or more powerful surf. Looks to me more that he's undervolumed for the conditions.
How about the water being 52 degrees and me being tight. Surfing cold water really plays a factor in my performance and my ability to get low. If you compare my surfing in the pool to the ocean… you will see my body getting lower and I’m feeling way more flexible and free in my trunks
@@surfnshowreviews7777 That's my point - not having 10 pounds of rubber on you is going to help the board float and plane better. I haven't been to Waco but it looks like the board clearly went better there and the wave at Waco looks punchier too, but you were also 10lbs lighter. You really should look into giving yourself a touch more foam - even some of the top guys on Pyzel's team who weigh less than you ride more than you. Maybe you don't need it for the pool, but for the ocean it's going to help, especially in the weak, flat waves that are the OC's bread and butter.
@@ds724 I hear you but I think you missed my point…. I usually ride 27L in the ocean. Giving me more foam in 52 degree water isn’t going to help me get lower to my board and help me be explosive and generate more speed. More foam might give me more glide but it will be more delayed from turn to turn.
I don’t give much attention to what the pros are riding… I don’t surf like them… they like more foam and longer boards. I did all that back in the 90’s and I’m done with that.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Most of your boards seem to be around 25-26L. Your Gremlin for instance was 25.5L.
@@ds724 EPS/Epoxy will float like 26L
Looks like another Skimboard with fins. Small planning surface area, hard to ride for most surfers. 🤙
White tiger ! Whats nest black tiger? Striped tiger? Rainbow tiger? Is there no end to this insanity of naming surfboards ??!!!
Bring back the old days where you ordered a board from your local shaper in size only.
“Stick another eighth on it mate “