The Case for Riding with Biden (w/ Bakari Sellers) | Bulwark Podcast
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- This is not a moment for a politician's origin story or soaring oratory. Some think that means dancing with the one that brung ya. But maybe it’s a moment for someone who could prosecute the case against Donald Trump-making it a perfect time to reintroduce Kamala Harris to voters. Bakari Sellers joins Tim Miller.
Check out part 2 of today's show with Elaina Plott Calabro here: • It's Time to Reintrodu...
0:00 - Intro
2:39 - Bakari Sellers on Defending Joe Biden
7:35 - Can Joe Biden Do the Job?
13:00 - How Messaging Now Can Affect Election Later
15:08 - Biden Losing Support with Black Voters
16:12 - The Case for Kamala Harris
19:05 - What is Joe Biden’s Message?
20:15 - Supreme Court’s Decisions on Presidential Immunity and Chevron Case
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To be fair to those of us who would prefer a different candidate, the vast majority agree that we will vote for Biden if he remains. Give us credit for that, please. We are not the enemy.
Exactly. What a bunch of more-ons these people are who still think we're talking about choosing Biden or Trump.
We're talking about who is best to beat Trump, and that's not Biden anymore.
but do you realise that these talks cause more chaos and division than unity? and do you realise that Republicans might sue to keep any new candidate off the ballot and they would have to win just one or two lawsuits? I mean, one state already wanted to keep Biden off the ballot because the DNC convention didn't meet their deadline. what I want to say is, I'm German watching from Germany and I've been following your clown show closely since January. In my opinion you should just quit these talks and focus on what's important, which is getting behind Biden and educate the voters, making the case against Trump. No candidate will be perfect and I believe Biden's age is really by far your smallest problem because anyone who would automatically replace him in case he won't make the next four years is still better than the alternative. it's been two weeks since the debate, why didn't anyone challenge Biden for real a couple of months ago, why come forward now?? replacing Biden now would disenfranchise voters and some may not like it... just saying. I'm worried about the world's future and I'm frustrated that it is in your hands - sorry to say that.
THIS.
Thank you for saying that. If you express concerns about Biden's health and ability to beat Trump, other Dems treat you like you're MAGA. I'll vote for Biden if he's on life support, but I'm just worried about the independents in swing states.
I am a registered Republican. At this point, I do not care if the Democrats end up doing a Weekend at Bernies for 4 years, I am voting for Biden.
In the unlikely event Biden steps aside, I will be voting Democrat.
"The other guy" is such a threat to our democracy he can not be allowed anywhere near *any position of power -- let alone the White House.
I agree. Some think we don't exist.
Thank you!💙
@@brianfranco7808 thank you very much for voting for our democracy, honestly if it were the other side trying to save our democracy I’d be voting across my party line also ! Our country is what’s important so in this case we are not voting for a party we are voting for democracy and freedom and against dictatorship and autocracy ! Thank you again 💙💙💙💙
@beckystone7994 The punditry doesn't understand that we don't care who beats trump at this point. Sellers and Joe get it
Crazy how suppose to be smart people let TDS make them irrelevant. Trump was spied on by the FBI and accused of Russia collusion for 3 years but he’s the threat to democracy.
I agree that Biden's debate performance was poor. Was he the loser? No. Trump did not "win" the debate by lying for 90 minutes.
But biden couldn't even complete one sentence, nor make a sane thought. Wake up we need someone that has a functioning brain. Full stop.
Biden was DEFINITELY the loser. Not saying Trump was the winner, but he benefited by default.
Trump could also have lost by telling knock knock jokes in response to every question. Biden’s performance would still be disqualifying no matter how bad Trump was.
@@TylerMillhouse So in your words a lying incoherent candidate is better than someone who did not articulate his ideas. Also, one who only cares about themselves.
Trump did win. The voters that matter saw one guy talking confidently and probably don't even know he was lying, and they saw a guy not able to get out a coherent sentence and strongly stand up to Trump's lies.
He can't do the job of getting out there every day and talking about Project 2025, abortion, the supreme court etc.
Continuing to pick at Biden and forcing him into a defensive position is the worst thing we can do. Tim, get over it. If you like Kamala, you may get her. If Biden does fail in some serious way after he's inaugurated, Kamala will take over immediately and all will be well. Just don't jeopardize the election with shilly-shallying at this late date.
How many times can we say it. He cannot win. Voters will not return him in his state to the White House.
I’d written the same.
I've been posting the same thing everywhere, too.
I think Tim's take is that the problem is he may not win to fail later and allow Kamala to take over.
Biden will never win with these polls numbers, you need to face reality.
A lot of us are going to vote blue no matter what.
From Sweden: Many thanks!!
As a centrist Michigan voter who will vote for Biden - is he old, yes, is Trump old, yes. Is Biden too old to do the job - no and it doesn't matter, we are voting in a team. There are 26 heads of state that are as old or older than Biden. He is a known quantity for us and the rest of the world - no other candidate has that advantage.
Is Biden too old to do the job? The evidence shows a clear yes. And voting a team doesn’t count when the president holds all the executive power.
That's what I call logic & common sense. Leave the chaos & drama to MAGA!!
Progressive MI voter here with you all the way.✌
It's not about age. The question is whether he is capable do do the job for 4 more
Thank you for your patriotism, and thank you for this fact - I will be using it! It makes me emotional to see lifelong Republicans committed to choosing country over party. As a Progressive, I can only hope that I would do the same if the situation were reversed. 👌🇺🇲
The LEAST important criteria in a president is the ability to smart off in front of a TV camera. The most important functions of a president are not televised. The most important things a president does to keep us, and likely the world, functioning are things Joe does well and trump can't even come close to.
Communication is the most important criteria for a candidate. His ability to run the government is not relevant. That's not how most voters choose a president. If it was then Trump would not have won in the first place. Most voters base their decision on vibes.
It's not about sounding smart. I literally cannot understand him. Not at the debate, not with his follow up interview with George, not even on Morning Joe. He literally cannot communicate at all coherently, even with notes right in front of him.
I agree with Bakari. We HAVE to stop squabbling amongst ourselves and stay the course with President Biden. If we throw a bunch of alternatives into the mix the election is doomed. If trump wins we are all doomed. If Biden wins but then becomes diminished in his capacity, we will not fall apart. He has a perfectly competent vice president and cabinet that will keep the country going.
Great point both candidates are alive so not an issue.
Agree, 1000%!
no that's not the way this works. The candidate is supposed to work for you, not the other way around. We've heard nothing about Biden's platform moving forward. His entire platform has been based on fear-mongering and shaming tactics to guilt people into voting for him, and zero about what he's going to do for us.
Biden was losing before he is losing worse now.
We are voting for human rights. We are voting for our constitution we are voting for freedom. That’s what we’re voting for.
Which is why Biden has to step down.
@@James-hd4ms really??
@@katherinea.rodgers8366 We need to win and Biden can’t.
@@James-hd4ms
I believe that there are a lot more reasons why Trump should step down than Biden.
I’m voting blue up and down the ballot.
@@teresaamanfu7408There are more reasons Trump should step down, but that does not imply that there aren’t sufficient reasons for Biden to step down, too! Both should step down, but only Biden is a good enough person (maybe) to do it.
Just so sick of all this one sided BS. Let's not forget the dangerous psychopath that's the GOP nominee. This isn't a debate.
What a bunch of more-ons these people are who still think we're talking about choosing Biden or Trump.
We're talking about who is best to beat Trump, and that's not Biden anymore.
And biden is losing to all thay crazy that is the point biden was losing before he is losing worse now.
Why isn't this question asked of Trump? His mental capacity is worse. I personally don't think Trump can do the job with his deteriorating mind.
Media should be focusing on this as well as the Epstein file evidence recently released implicating Trump for sex with children. Instead, self important political hobbyists like Tim Miller are playing fantasy political football.
It is. Neither he nor his party cares. We are better for asking it repeatedly of Biden and taking it seriously.
Nor with his deteriorating ethics and morals.
Bingo
@@dianecollins2982 and he hasn’t had much to say because everything he has said in the last year is Word salad even in the debate there was nothing he couldn’t even answer questions. You gotta be able to put a sentence together. Trump can’t do that vote blue.
MILLER OMG. YOU JUST DONT LISTEN....FOR AMERICA FOR BIDEN
TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!! BIden defeated Dumpy 2020 by 20M. Dumpy is continuing losing more support from Repubs and Independents!! Tim was wrong about Haley and he's also wrong with Biden.
Joe isn't driving my kids' school bus. He's not flying my plane. He's not performing my vasectomy. I fully believe that the ability to articulate words and thoughts can malfunction WITHOUT being an indication of failing mental ability. With Biden, I believe you get a whole cabinet full of competent individuals whom I trust to advise him to retire when they see a true need. A cabinet full of competent individuals to continue to operate in the best interests of Americans. With the alternative, you get a whack-job narcissist, and a cabinet full of spineless power-hungry sycophants. Would I like to have Joe take the win and enjoy his golden years without the stresses? Yes. Until he, and those around him, choose that path, I am comfortable and confident in him remaining the candidate.
Thank you!! This is exactly the point.
Agree 100%.
"You get the cabinet! They will be competent!" -- exactly the argument 2016 republicans made. OBVIOUSLY the other man has a crazier cabinet, but this is a shit choice
@@diablodetajo Deal with it. Its a shit choice but there is a right choice.
@MrKGBryson Excellent! All true. The president does not do it all, that's just common sense. Biden has a great support system already in place. We've seen how bad trump is at that, and he's already declared his intention to get even more sycophantic boneheads in with him.
Everyone is talking sh💩t about President Biden after the debate, BUT WHAT TRUMP and his 34 felonies!? I will be voting for President Joe Biden NO MATTER WHAT!!
DONALD FELON TRUMP FOR PRISON 2024
BIDEN/HARRIS💯
4 MORE YEARS
💙💙💙🇺🇸 2024
What a bunch of more-ons these people are who still think we're talking about choosing Biden or Trump.
We're talking about who is best to beat Trump, and that's not Biden anymore.
@@terri6854
A rather large dose of reality:-
Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
@@terri6854 I don't know why people don't get this simple fact. People that want biden replaced aren't voting for Trump, they're going to stay at home, vote 3rd party, and some will still vote for Biden. And Trump voters don't care that he's a criminal or that he lies. And you're not going to energize people down on Biden by saying "well TRUMP's WORSE."
TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!! BIden defeated Dumpy 2020 by 20M. Dumpy is turning-off more Repubs and Independents!! Tim was wrong about Haley and he's also wrong with Biden.
Who cares if Biden can make it through another term? If he kicks the bucket, Kamala will be sworn in, which is what a lot of people want anyway, right? A party is more than one person, and Democrats need to be driving that point home.
If we know his VP will almost certainly have to take the helm, why not just put her at the top of the ticket in the first place?
Exactly it is an administration with advisors to help with decision making.
We would Never get the truth or a straight answer. If Trump gets in he is liar and mentally unsure.
They are both old and one is crazy and has crazy people backing him. If Trump the felon gets back in we are done. Plain and simple.
Please vote Blue or we are doomed.
Another point with @Peeved100...what if Biden can't win the debate bc of his ability and his VP could...
He is surrounded by capable people. Calm down folks. Now, he will be kidnapped if he suffers another fall.
@@Peeved100He had a bad night. No grace for the guy? Meanwhile, the other one admitted he's been talking to Putin! WTF.
I respect you Mr Miller , my mom loves you . But is not about No one can beat Trump at this point all we have to beat him is Joe.
The huge Picture is about Democracy vs Trump isn’t it . I’ve been voting since I was 18 now 63. Democracy is in Grave danger .
I was very impressed with Sellers’ understanding and common sense.
Yeah, Bakari was using crystal clear common sense logic. I just didn’t expect Tim and many of the Bulwark contributors angrily panicking as they did over Biden stumbling and falling. It felt like instead of picking him up, the Bulwarkers like Tim angrily started kicking him on the ground.
Tim surprised, and disappointed me.
I think your missing rhe point. You get biden is losing right?
What I am seeing is if Biden did step aside, VP Harris would most likely be the nominee because of the campaign money not being allowed to be transferred to someone else. Why not back the Biden-Harris ticket instead of creating all this damage. If something does happen with Biden, then Harris would be right there.
Discussing the fallout after Biden's brain seized before the entire country, isn't creating damage. It means ur not in a cult. Open discussion among differing opinions IS democracy in action. Harris is polling higher than he is against Trump & she polls well higher among independents. Biden doesn't excite ppl. Can u see low informed voters standing in line for hours to vote for him?
Finally, Tim Miller has someone that I totally agree with!! Enough with the doubts. Biden is it and he will beat Trump!
TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!! BIden defeated Dumpy last 2020 by 20M. Dumpy is turning-off more and more Repubs and Independents!! Tim was wrong about Haley and he's also wrong with Biden. Biden all the way! 💙😎
In my opinion, he has given an assessment, to say it's not honest just because you don't like it, isn't fair. He admitted he did not do great on debate night. I am tired of this conversation - it's time to move on to getting truths about Trump out there instead of hounding on this same topic day after day. Biden IS campaigning - doing interviews - shaking hands - giving speeches - and getting out there. Trump has been holed up at his golf courses. Mr. Sellers is spot on.
I am very suspicious of these Republicans who claim to be against Trump yet are aiding him mightily.
They should be focusing on convicted felon Trump's lies and frothing fascism at the debate, also they can talk about Trump's involvement with project 2025 AND Epstein island and the SA's he did there.
TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!! BIden defeated Dumpy 2020 by 20M. Dumpy is turning-off more Repubs and Independents!! Tim was wrong about Haley and he's also wrong with Biden.
And he is losing......
Are you done with this now Tim? Did you finally get it all out of your system? Because we are moving on and supporting our President.
YES!
Agreed
Do you genuinely think he can win in November?
I’ve not had opportunity to hear Bakari before. Very much enjoyed his contribution. Thanks for having him on.
Bakari is 💯 right. I’m so sick of people not focusing on results and living in a fantasy world. Biden has led us through numerous serious moments Tim. I voted in the SC primary for Biden and Harris. The nerve of pundits to think they can take my candidate off my ballot.
TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!! BIden defeated Dumpy 2020 by 20M. Dumpy is turning-off more Repubs and Independents everyday!! Tim was wrong about Haley and he's also wrong with Biden.
He was losing before he is losing worse now
It’s a relief that Tim finally after a week has a discussion with another perspective. I was starting to fear I could add you to the channels I could no longer watch.
This, so much this. It's the issue I have with all of the pundits who have been focused on this. It's not so much that they talk about it, it's the one sided attacks. No other side.
@@mandabob3001I love listening to David Frum. He's refreshingly honest and relaxed. And he's sure Biden will stay in
I check back with Bulwark now and again, but given the suicidal Miller, I had to unsubscribe.
@katenoke1571 I'll have a look, thanks for the recommendation. Finding myself increasingly irritated by most of those I usually love.
@@JR-pr8jb I appreciate his passion. I am just too old to worry as much as Tim does
I do not understand why the election is so close... the choices are so clear!
Tim and other media types are playing us, creating controversy by selectively focusing to ensure this race will be a nail biter.
@@mainely8007Nonsense Biden has been trailing in the polls for a year. I kept waiting for his campaign to start, and here we are 5 months out.
Maybe enough people will drag Biden over the finish line, but right now, it's a longshot.
I've no idea what the plans are for Biden's 2nd term, what the plan is to deal with a radicalized SCOTUS, no idea whether Biden will support banishing the filibuster (assuming we even keep the Senate). No one knows because Biden doesn't talk about these issues.
We keep kidding ourselves that there are more of us. I don't believe that anymore. It wouldn't be so close if that was the case.
I personally think the the polls are likely way off. If not, then 46 percent of the country is clueless..
An evil mist is over the United States.
Yeah, I'm throwing flowers to Bakari Sellers for this appearance. Stop the self-destructive fanfiction of "replacing Joe." It's not going to happen, so get back into the fight like the Lincoln Project is currently doing!
Sincerely,
A Democratic listener to the Bulwark and Lincoln Project who's tired of the collective panic porn...
It's not going to happen while the NATO Show is in town. After that, all bets are off. I hope to see him wander off stage left. He is NOT up-to-speed. Times up!
The founders of the Lincoln Project were Republicans. They were just fine with the GOP stealing elections via gerrymandering for decades . Now they are shocked that the GOP is corrupt. They have no credibility.
Can Biden do the job he's been doing for 3-1/2 years?
I'm an old armchair guitar picker. You can say I'm too old to be playing; you can say I need to take a music-theory test; or you can shut up, sit down, and listen while I play.
Joe Biden is our choice as voters, and we are going to have his back.
Biden /Harris is our ticket !
He isn’t my choice! I’ll vote for him, but many would be better.
and a certain loss.
He was our choice in 2020. In 2024, he informed us he was going to be the nominee because he was the incumbent and he wanted a second term. We didn't get a chance to choose him.
Joe Biden will not be able to sneeze after this. Yikes.
@@TylerMillhouseafter all the complaining on both sides, we should have a great field of people in 2028, right??
Time to go through Congress too.
Retire!
Max age of 70 at start of final term.
Term limits:
14 years House(7 terms)
18 years Senate(3 terms)
18 years Judges
Can we get on with the campaign? We're supposed to be defeating Trump, not Biden.
That's the point biden is losing to trump after three years of talking about him constantly
That's the point biden is losing to trump after three years of talking about him constantly
I love to see people disagreeing intelligently, with good humor and respect! Props to you both!
Bakari, a voice of Sane Reasoning. So proud to know young people are not falling for this horror show.
This is Project 2025 unfolding before our very eyes. The Dem need to understand each of us gets one Vote. This is America or atleast for now.
@@jatsmith8021 some people have to share with the young people. I think they’ve missed out on a lot partially by, but I think they’ve really missed out a lot on US history and stuff. I don’t know why, but we need to help our young people understand the difference between democracy and maybe rebellion and Trump isn’t just rebelling he’s destroying, it’s one thing to have a different opinion. It’s another to blow up everything in your way so no one has a choice and that’s what Trump does Trump for jail.
@@deborahpitcher7723
Well said. I think Project 2025 is the wake up call for this generation,. I'm canvassing and telling the young people to go to web and learn about this mandate.(e.g. Meidas Touch group, occupy Democracy, BET Awards Ceremony this year, Politics Tabitha , Reese Waters, Reece Colbert podcast, Tara Setmayer, Micheal Steele MSNBC
and Roland Martin )
So much info if people would listen., Thanks for feedback
His arguments are intellectually dishonest. Saying the only way you can tell if someone can do the job is based on their accomplishments is purposely cutting out the conversation about his decline. Sure he used to be able to do stuff, but at some point you reach a point where you can't anymore. We all see and accept that with professional athletes, why not here, with way higher stakes?
@@superfacch is his words too big for you to understand
@superfacch
Bakari is totally owned by 🇮🇱 , and his parents are immigrants.
"There is no off ramp" ... UNLESS JOE DOES IT HIMSELF
Great guest and great show. You guest solidified my position. A year ago I was arguing for Joe to step aside. That would have been time for a fight. But not now. This is where we are and this is the fight and these are the players.
I just sent words to PSA "work with what you got" too. We black gals are sadly very skilled but joyfully very creative at this. Just look at who is doing the constant whining. If only dudes knew what it's like to be pregnant or have periods.
Been activated since the 60's and Obama was the only one who was sincerely exciting mostly cause it meant so much to my Mama (rip) to bear witness after living in the nightmare of the 20th c. We kinda don't expect much..and Biden has actually succeeded with stuff.
Glad you are pivoting ...create whatever narrative you need to support... ridin' wit Biden. You can do it. I'm a 60 yr. Black queer woman, daughter of CRM, anti war, anti corporate, mom... freak who appreciates learning your perspective. It's time to get serious tho ✊🏾✌🏾
Biden dosnt have the capacity to campaign
Flowers for Bakari!!! 💐☺️
And YES, we still love you, Tim!!! Totally understand your reasoning and fear! But like Bakari says, we've got to work with what we have. 😊
❤🤍💙 Biden/Harris 2024 💙🤍❤️
Bakari won this debate Tim!
There's no winning or losing. Just respectfully going over ideas between allies. That's what a pro-democracy coalition do. 😊
Vote President Biden!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸💙💙
The media should start going after Trump.
Tim misses the point. The polls aren’t necessarily reflective of people voting for Trump; they’re just saying he’s too old.
Kamala is an alternative after Biden wins and decides that he’ll pass the torch to her, not before the election.
💯✔️ TIM MILLER MUST GET OVER IT!!!!
I need Bakari to go on all the MSNBC shows and explain this logic. They've all lost their minds
Tim, kudos for having Bakari on. Listen to him, really listen to his approach to the current reality. You are arguing for a scenario that is in the hands of no one.
Project 2025 is all we should be talking about!
Thanks Barkari🥰
We have to stop this and stand by Joe Biden.
Blue maga
people who would vote for Kamala Harris WILL ALSO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.
This panic is causing way more harm than good. Please stop attacking President Biden.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
You get biden is losing right?
You hit the nail gentleman!! If he can’t run he can no longer serve. If he resigns now the undecided voters won’t vote. If people don’t vote Frump wins!! Vote for Biden!!!
"What's wrong with saying Biden's too old?" Do we really need to explain how "too old" is derogatory, compared to "old?"
Bakari’s point about a powerful white man giving up his power to a black woman landed with me. I honestly think that’s the most compelling reason for believing Biden won’t step down.
President Biden is the greatest president of Tim Miller’s lifetime and that is not open to argument. True Blue American Patriots are riding with Biden to victory, and The Bulwark will be remembered by history for their chicanery.
It's not chicanery to question delusion. Hillary ended up losing because the email issue, ignore, blew up as a problem. But her emails was a genuine problem like But his senility is now. Pretending these problems don't exist, that voters won't know about it if the Bulwark doesn't talk about it is folly. The problem is Biden. If he can't demonstrate capacity, he needs to go. This is the mess the Dems made for us.
@jamesstaal673
Foundational black Americans are not riding with Joe. Bakari and Kumla are not like us.
A lot if people would say gaza .eans he is not the best
George Washington was kind of well known by pretty much much everyone for relinquishing his power. Sort of set an example.
So agree with Bakari - the lack of unity behind Biden is killing this race. People see a lack of faith - not a lack of ability on Biden's part.
I appreciate Tim having this conversation with Bakari. Tim regained a couple of points of favour in my book for doing so.
(15:15) Polls are not data - they are opinions at a very particular moment in time and are subject to not only the statistical error that everybody seems to rely on and pays no attention to selection bias and population size for drawing cross-tab conclusions. Again, invite Allan Lichtman on to discuss what true historical data modeling tells us about predictions for presidential elections.
The debate is over, now let’s move on to helping President Biden/Harris!!
I am an african american woman, and I will be voting against DJT. Pres Biden's decision not to pass the torch is sickening to me. He did a good job as Pres and that does not changenhis behavior (not his performance) in public over the past couple of weeks. It's not about a stutter or a loss for words. He is concerned with keeping power, voters be damned and it makes me sick to say he has my vote... but he does, because I CAN'T vote for DJT.
@01akqueen
Stay muling.
I can answer Tim’s question:
1. It creates a perception of indecisiveness. If Dems had rolled with the punches from the debate and not spent , now weeks, having this debate the outcome overall would have been better
2. Every moment spent talking about this obscures and distracts from covering Trump.
3. Biden isn’t leaving and no amount of complaining is changing that. So the only way to change candidates now is to force him out. That makes the Dems look disorganized and weak.
4. That fight to replace him will fracture the party.
At this point Trump does not even have to run, he can just sit back and watch the Democrats eat themselves and waltz to victory. You go to war with the Army you have not the army you want. At this point unless Biden willingly steps aside for Kamala (and he won’t) continually having this conversation is counterproductive
It is not the democratic reps or leaders who are driving this conversation. It is the 70% of voters who don't think Biden is competent to be the presidential candidate. It is the fact that Biden is losing in th polls to a convicted felon. It is the fact that the press believes it has been lied to about Biden's condition. It is the fact that we all witnessed a medical event on debate night and not one bad day. The dems could stand on their heads while juggling 20 fire balls, and nobody would stop talking about Biden's health.
Yes! Exactly!
President Harris and Vice President Biden might be a good compromise. A strong prosecutor and a great policy guy. . Quite a strong team. .
You can’t debate a liar! Impossible!!
You are forgetting that Americans WANT something NEW. Biden is behind in EVERY poll post debate.
We need a new horse in the race.
I watch all of Bulwark content, as a major fan! It blows my mind that they are acting like they haven't spent episode after episode dogging on Kamala being unpopular, unready unelectable. But seriously...who are these people stumping for her now? Wtaf??
Because the system is bias and racists!!
Kamala Harris is more than ready. But she is indeed unpopular and unelectable. No doubt about it
What's the difference Tim? If he can't do it anymore then Kamala takes over. Knock it off! Same ticket Same result 😮
Exactly!
You’d like to have a candidate who can win. Kamala will be exposed as a lightweight that a whole big slice of the electorate doesn’t like from the get go. People have to get their heads out of their asses.
The difference is the perception to independents/low information voters. Biden cant deliver the message.
The real issue is winning the election, and having vigorous stamina to campaign against tRUMP
Tim, you do realize if Biden resigns and Harris becomes Pres, Congress needs to pick the VP? How do you think that is going go with Mike Johnson?
For a good example of what can happen when you replace your guy at the last minute look at Australian election of 2013 when the opposition replaced the leader with two months to go and lost a winnable election against a very unpopular right wing government.
Listen you, I'm over 67 and still ride my horse. Stop with the ageism.
Kamala will lose to Trump. I would vote for her, but she would lose she is not the answer
Absolutely correct
Right? All these arrogant idealists forget that the incumbent with an impressive record has an enormous advantage - Tim is a drunken loser who listens to polls because it's easier than sobering up and getting outside his bubble.
She’ll be fine after Biden wins if Joe then decides that he can’t complete his full 2nd term.
Elderly people are generally not self-aware. They can also be very stubborn. They cannot be relied upon to always make rational decisions. People who care about them need to help them out of delusion and put them in touch with reality.
You’re generalizing as though you have a PHD to justify such generalization about “old people”. There’s no medical document that can be used as evidence that Trump is “too old” at this juncture. So these cries are based on fear, not courage to back Joe though November.
I know plenty of young people who are the same. Middle aged people as well. It’s a ridiculous argument.
@@Lizperez-bg3bu yes, but they're not in charge of the government.
@@TheHighlanderprime I have a family member with a PhD in general medicine who has been saying for years Biden has dementia. Plus direct experience of elderly family members, including a father with dementia, so this involves personal observation. No need to be rude, based on zero knowledge of my education in these matters. One more incident like the debate night and the Dems will be sunk and it will be too late to recover. I'm all in on Kamala, actually.
@@topcat298 have you listened to Bobert or MTG? Of course they are, age isn’t necessarily the problem.
And still no discussion on Project 2025 or where Trump has been lately
Trump is sitting back & watching Joe ensure that the Democrats lose
Exactly right
He has been advised to step back because he can't keep his big mouth shut.
And when does talk people are not able to believe him because he is a liar and a person that lies to you will also steal from you. Please go away Trump.
Bakari speaking truths.
Edit: a vote for Biden is also a vote for Kamala.
@dandanner3111
Which means more votes for Trump.
I watched the debate. It seemed to me that Biden was suffering from dehydration. Air travel plus a cold plus being older and it can sneak up quickly. I've experienced this myself as well as in my elderly parents. Cognitive impairment and difficulty speaking(due to a very dry mouth) are among the symptoms. Ironically, if you drink too much water it can dilute electrolytes, which can cause further disorientation and confusion. I held my breath until the break when I hoped that he would be given an electrolyte drink but, if so, it didn't act fast enough. He did seem to be exhausted, so maybe it was as simple as that.
I agree with Bakari Sellers 100%. Biden is not going anywhere, nor should he step down. It would be a media feeding frenzy and utter chaos and a total disaster. Do not underestimate Biden. He has overcome more adversity in his lifetime that all of us here put together. Yes, he is an 81 year old man with a lifelong speech impediment. He also happens to be the best president of my lifetime. I would be ashamed to turn my back on him now.
Pure copium
In my opinion, the time for this debate is over. It's time for all to make the fight about Trump. He can be beat.
By anyone other than Biden.
Here's why maga will win - they know how to stick together and fight. We are plagued by trash like Tim Miller, Joe Scarborough and other "former?" Republicans focusing on Biden's age and gaffs instead of Trump's frothing fascism.
@@James-hd4ms no one else is beating him in the polls. And it's fantasy to think he's pulling out. The time has come to get behind Biden.
Hey Tim, thanks for doing this one. I know you are sincere in opposition and your concern, but it is important to hear the whole discussion. And thanks for the straight talk Bakari!
Polls don’t matter. So many people will never take a poll. I don’t think Biden had a bad debate. He spoke truth. I am starting to get really tired of hearing about how old Biden is. We all know this. I think Biden is the only person who has the experience to pull us through the next 4 years.
From a performance standpoint, Biden did not have a good debate. The casual viewer likely missed Biden's message.
However, if you get past the performance and actually listen to what was said, you would know Bunker Boy never answered any of the questions, constantly lied and provided no vision for the future.
Biden spoke the truth, *did* answer most of the question and offered a glimpse of his vision of a 2nd term.
Unfortunately, most outlets refuse to cover that aspect of the debate, thus they are giving Bunker Boy a big pass.
Can you get James Carville back to talk about his NYT's piece?
No, Carville’s the one who’s actually too old to comment at this juncture.
@TheHighlanderprime I trust Carville & feel that he knows the democratic party better than anyone else. He's not too old for me to listen to.
Biden has an option besides Tim’s “I can’t do it”. He could say, while I feel I can do it, the doubt that is there, and the stakes being so high, I have decided to step aside, for the good of the country, because it is imperative that Trump not become president again”
I am a 83 year women and I live on a farm in Australia where our nearest neighbour is five miles away.
Thanks for one of the best discussions in weeks. I love Bakari he is the best!
F##k the debate, and he's told us all he's running! You are fostering a Trump Presidency & 2025! Shout the Truth about Trump on your podcast!
Thank you
I agree.
They should be focusing on convicted felon Trump's lies and frothing fascism at the debate, also they can talk about Trump's involvement with project 2025 AND Epstein island and the SA's he did there.
It's scary and no one is talking about it. Read an article in the latest Rolling Stone about a Texas billionaire. That money is driving Trump's campaign.
Let's move on the whole world is against Trump and MAGA project 2025 and the road map into hell on earth.
Trump goes away now!
No the world doesn't trust you.
@@virginiaf.5764 Because they want the greedy huge tax cuts. Just like last time.
Thank you Mr. Sellers! You are 100 percent! #BidenHarris2024 !!
With respect to Bakari, I didn't come away from this thinking that Biden is better than him stepping aside and Harris stepping up. This doesn't feel like a great choice, and I feel like Biden and his inner circle aren't fully considering the downsides. The case for staying with Biden is part inertia and part the likelihood that he could turn things around. That said, if Biden sticks in the race, I do believe he can step down if truly incapacitated, and that would turn things to Harris. I am voting for Biden. I would like to see the Democrats make the race all about Trump and his horrible, horrible plans.
We are voting for the old guys team. They have been doing a pretty good job the last 4 yrs. Joes experience and relationships are essential.
Saying "there is no off ramp" doesn't make sense. What if he is going to be in the hospital for the rest of his term? Are we stuck with him as candidate still? Should he resign his presidency? C'mon man, I'm looking for honesty
Tim, enough!
We all love Kamala too. She can still deliver whatever for the Biden/harris ticket.
When you're actively campaigning against Biden, what does it matter that you're voting for him? If you cause ten others to not vote for him, what does your vote matter?
Can Biden do the job? He is doing it now.
Hey Tim - I know you've been taking a beating lately. Just want to say even though I may not always agree with you I still love you!
Ditto!
Tim, let me ask you a question. If Joe is our nominee in November, will you vote for him? If the answer is, of course I will, then please STOP ripping him to shreds with your own party!!! I guarantee if you guys keep tearing him down (saying he's unfit to serve), then Trump will win!!! Please, please, please interview Allan Lichtman ASAP!
He’s already answered the question “yes”. He’s like a dog with a bone!
I’ve been on the fence about whether Biden should step down or stay in the race. Bakari makes a lot of sense and I’m leaning towards Biden staying. If we keep the Senate and take back the House, I can see Biden stepping down and Kamala will assume the Presidency. My understanding is it will take both the House and the Senate to approve a VP nomination.
It's interesting how all the Democratic voters, and even many who aren't democratic voters, keep going ignored and dismissed by Bulwark, as they go on comment after comment, supporting Biden.
Trump can just let Bulwark do all the campaigning against Biden. They're doing a fabulous job of it, episode after episode.
The guest was great, btw. And was on target so much of the time.
Okay, so they have a bunch of ads featuring Biden not being able to speak. The other side can put out a bunch of ads featuring Trump not being able to speak. Problem solved.
Tim, I'm a blue dog, through and through - not always, but now. I absolutely agree with you- we DON'T 'owe' Joe Jack. He's lovely. He did wonderfully, he saved us, but he was the (a) leader of the free world, so Joe was what most folks only dream of. Dream . Attained. No 'owing'.
but he is only 1 whi can beat trump
@@peterrobinson1041 That doesn't seem to be the case any longer. The generic Democrat is doing better than Biden now. Folks are worried. Thanks for the comment!
I don’t understand why people think you can take away all the votes from the primary. People spoke. We’re with Joe!
Bakari is spot on👏. Vote Blue 💙🇺🇸. Soooo tired of this Biden bashing.
I’m not sure if I can finish this episode.. I came here to hear what Bakari has to say. But Tim isn’t really listening. And doing this Yes.. But game ! Biden is the President now and WE the Dems voted him in . Next time fight harder for Dean Phillips
Thursday's press conference will go poorly. How could it not?
Agree, he can't think on his feet.
I appreciated Bakari's take on this.
Nice to hear another perspective. Flowers at your feet Bakari! 🌸🌹💐🌺😂
Biden is the nominee. The more you preach for him to step down, the more you are pushing people to not vote for him. It hurts us!
I was unaware the convention had happened already.
He is the presumptive nominee - he has an overwhelming number of delegates that he EARNED.
@@valjean76acting petty isn’t going to change the fact that we had a primary and picked our nominee.
Tim says that Joe owes us an honest assessment, but I think what Tim really means is that Joe owes us an assessment that agrees with Tim's, and that's not the same thing.
Nobody KNOWS what will happen if it's Biden v Trump, and nobody KNOWS what will happen if it's Harris v Trump. There are argunents to be made for each of the options, but Biden can't ride both horses, he has to make a decision, and he has to try to be dispassionate about it. He cannot be swayed by the thought that if he stays in and loses people will say that his ego was responsible for the death of democracy. He should imo seek advice from the people from whom he normally seeks advice, and then make an honest assessment of who he thinks has the best chance of beating Trump, and decide on that basis.
I appreciate the work you are doing and the conversations but I am with Bakari on this!
I couldn't disagree more. It is unacceptable to have a candidate who isn't even trying. It isn't the debate. It's the interview where he says he didn't WATCH the debate. It's Biden saying that the polls don't show him down, or that he has a low approval rating. Just because the Republicans run candidates that deny reality does not mean it becomes sane or safe for us to do so.
Try to imagine that if you had a bad day, although you didn't break any rules, or damage anything... Getting Fired!
Think about that simple fact, one bad day... and you're Toast? WTF
You are so part of the problem.
@@stephenboyington630 what problem would that be exactly?
If we could swap out for a double digit lead then ok. But no point in swapping out to another who polls neck n neck.
I fully agree with Bakari about Chevron decision. It can effect regulations that cover everything from food safety (can they cut off diseased part of chicken & package the rest?), child safety (it’s ok to sell shoddy made kids toys that are painted with lead paint). Your airplane safety, child labor in meat packing plants (has already started), so many other harmful things can happen to protections we’ve taken for granted because this Court thinks they know more than scientists, doctors, and other experts.
Polls, polls, polls they change every day... and now they are your backbone..People, people, people..I am amzed that you have talked to and know the minds of ALL the PEOPLE???