i think they overdid it with the twists and turns whch actually was eating away from the tension more than it should have been intended. the real estate agent moving in and stuff like that was just way over the top. especially if the story is based on true events you should never fall into the trap of making it feel unrealistic. also the side characters are very cliche... that being said the acting was fantastic. great cast
I found it boring.I also thought the character that Jennifer Coolidge played was comical and felt out of place for some reason.I would never recommend this to anyone.
I saw a news report last week that said since the Netflix series came out, fans of the show have been driving to the house to get a look at it and the neighbors complained to police about the sudden surge of traffic in their block so police cordoned off the house with crime scene tape and having cops periodically stop by to shoo people away. Kind of funny how the house has tons of “Watchers” now. 😂
I believe the whole neighbourhood planned together and was the 'watcher' to get that family out of their neighbourhood, now its like a karma that they cant live in peace themselves because now there are many watchers
@@Jasmineliketheflowerwhy do you believe that just asking was any of the neighbors suspicious when this whole thing happened in real life. not in the Netflix show
The John Graff character is based on John List who, on Nov. 9, 1971, killed his entire family in identical fashion within their Westfield abode. List similarly lost his job, and gradually bled out his mother's $200,000 savings before killing her and his wife in the house. He also ambushed two of his children when they returned home from school, and it's rumored that he made himself lunch between the killings, after which he reportedly traveled to his oldest son's soccer game and shot him approximately 10 times later that night.
You should clarify in your comment that those events didn't happen in the mansion where the events that inspired the miniseries took place, neither the people involved had any connections one with another.
In the netflix versiin6 john Graff caffies6 out the mass murder inside 65u Boulevard as they were previous owners in 1995...So although it happened in the samd zip code for dramatization purposes two stories ( the watcher and the mass murder) became one.
One of things I never understood was if this family were being watched, why didn't they put security cameras around the house, by the mail and pointing it on the street to find out who's the culprit?? That would be the first thing I would do if I end up receiving those creepy letters.
As far as the nearby resident relating to video games, he didn’t have a screen name of The Watcher, but a detective or officer who questioned him, recalled “to his memory” that he played a game called The Watcher. However this sounds like it could have been “The Witcher” video game, and the officers memory could have misconstrued this.
If I recall correctly, that suspect was brought up by his girlfriend (or at the time his ex?). One night she parked her car near the house for several hours, that brought the attention of the private investigator that was watching the house from a van. She was interrogated and she said she was actually watching his boyfriend, who lived in the area, and during the interrogatory she mentioned the guy was playing a game or using the nickname "the watcher" for gaming.
I think the Watcher as told on Netflix is a perfect allegory for what is going on today. One group desperately wishing to hold on to a romanticised past (the preservation society) against anyone who wants change or modernisation (those who move into the house). Huge distrust and dislike on either side, manifesting in utter paranoia. The point is that this made everyone in the show watchers at one point or another.
It was intriguing at first but it just went off the rails with one red herring after another. If this was a tighter 4 episodes it might have been better. It became really annoying that every character the couple encountered turned out to be vindictive, rotten assholes... private detective lady notwithstanding
I watched the first few episodes, and a part of me kept wishing that the owners would deal with the crisis by tossing these letters straight into the garbage can, where they belonged.
@@mazvitaselemani If I know that someone is intentionally trying to scare me, hell would freeze over before I give them the satisfaction, but that’s just me.
Let’s be honest, there was no “watcher”. The Netflix version is filled with dramatization and it was without a doubt an inside job. The real family still lives in the same town of Westfield. You’d think if they had been soooo traumatized they would have hauled ass far from that place.
The real case of the watcher would easily have made a great movie. IMO there is no need for all the stuff they add in, the tunnels, Andrew or the neighbors killing themselves. I just wish theywould have stuck with the story because it is very interesting in its own rights
What story? The only story is that they receive the letters. That’s all. It’s the whole story. Netflix did a great job of making a have out of have not.
The true story would be enough for a 2 hour movie perhaps ... but not enough for 7 episodes of 44 minutes. True to form since 2017 (in every movie and TV series they have made), Netflix made sure that 2 of the central characters were black actors. 👍I loved the series. Full of twists and turns and tense moments.
I'm into it.... where their stooopid Hor ass daughter accuses them for Racism lmfao.... That is so American... I feel sad for Whites around the world..
Considering the were put up but you never see the owner view them and he’s living there, in future episodes it’s indicated they aren’t all installed and it’s still ongoing. They should have been installed all at once.
Has everyone ruled out maybe he or she was never watching from the outside but using something to watch on the inside, the real family installed cameras on the outside, hired a PI but maybe they shouldn’t be looking for someone but something. My guess is there could be hidden cameras/mics scattered throughout the house, giving the stalker the chance to watch from somewhere else.. you can’t catch someone if they are watching from a distance. And let’s be honest this was 2014 wasn’t that long ago, it wouldn’t be far fetched if the person live completely in a different area or state, broke in the house at one point put hidden cameras in, and just sat at home like a creep watching them, and it wouldn’t have been difficult to just go to the post office to mail a letter
@@gittevogelbein8259 because she is actually a he. Hollyweird with its inverted couples. Time to wake up. You know they look gendered. They worship Baphmet, half man, half woman. That’s why they look weird, but your mind can’t accept it, cause you don’t want to look or think you are crazy, but your mind is telling you something isn’t right.
it started out great but i felt as the series went on the watcher became less and less threatening. who would really be afraid of any of the neighbours?
Put you in those shoes, even though everyone is unthreatening they killed your son's ferret 5 days ago, and have access to your house whenever they feel like it and you don't know how, you'd grow paranoid
The owner of the house should rent it out to fans of the show .... i bet many ppl will want to experience living there and see if they can meet the watcher
yeah they must be very happy with this show because their prices will sky rocket. It's a great advertisement. And with all eyes on the house even if there was someone with actual intent of harm which i absolutely highly doubt, they wouldnt be able to due to all of the attention, police, filming etc. the owners hit the jackpot haha
Between this and Dahmer I'm really getting tired of Netflix heavily dramatizing things and straight up lying when it's not necessary. No coincidence that the same writer worked on both.
They have to also respect families wishes if they don’t want their families added into something the writer has done nothing wrong but do what he needed to do. Dahmer was a bad man, that’s it and that’s all.
That's why I don't watch regular TV anymore. All these people screaming about fake news but fake movies about real events are perfectly fine. I feel sorry for the future historians that have to try and figure all of this out.
In the show the previous owner John who murdered his family was based on another crime story. And it happened exactly like that just not related do watcher case but real true crime
Was looking for this comment. It's such a creepy story and of I remember correctly he got a job as an accountant, remarried and only changed to thicker glasses but got recognized and caught like 15 years later
I dont even really CARE what the True story is ,, they did a FANTASTIC JOB with this .. and they left it so OPEN ENDED , that there has to be More, a LOT more .. I hope the Writers are at it , because I cant wait .. the Tunnels alone you could make several episodes about.. and we never even found out who was sleeping in that room ??? this is an amazing story ,and will leave you on the edge of your Seat .. it starts out kind of stupid, but it builds Nicely, and takes a couple of Nice Twists and Turns . the Investigator was awesome ..and then the plot twist there .. its not even that important WHO the Watcher is .. its the Story behind if which is so Fascinating .. Nice Job, truly nice Suspense , Mystery .
I only came across this because I was frustrated with how stupid the first two episodes were and didn't make sense and was lookin to see others views. I find them even more annoying after learing it is 'based off actual events'
Yes, there was that scene where John knocked hurriedly on a large and thick wooden door. Later, Pearl opened it from the other side. It was not Pearl's house's front door. It looked like they were in a tunnel or somewhere hidden from plain sight.
This never actually happened the series made the tunnels up to make it more interesting, also John never actually murdered his family in that house it was just the same zip code
I just finished to watch the series on Netflix and read some info about real story. You did a great job with this video comparing the dramatized and real elements. Thumbs up 👍
Did anyone catch how they wrote in the true story of John List? He killed his entire family and was on the run for years until featured on Americas Most Wanted. He wore the dark framed glasses in real life I caught that right away.
the family was really unlikeable tbh and i just kept wishing that final episode would end. they left multiple things unanswered (obviously the case is still unsolved and i’m not referring to that) but i mean like who is killing the pets in the house and who was that bill guy who dean thought was john and where did that other guy in the preservation group recognize him from? idk i could just be missing something but i feel they were in over their heads with all these little things leading nowhere. i get it’s supposed to be mysterious but it just left me feeling unsatisfied at the end
@This & That With Delana Taylor yeah I loved watching it but the ending is so unsatisfying absolutely no questions are answered which like they said yes it’s unsolved but it’s not even just abt who’s the watcher countless other things had no meaning/ending
@@3mk0s at the end of the last episode it’s confirmed that it actually is the real john Kaplan is like “I know where I recognize you from bill, how’s the family?” Which confirms that “Bill “ is actually john.
@@3mk0s bro that guy lied abt his name being bill. That WAS John graff. That’s why roger knew who he was. Roger had been keeping his eye on that house his whole life. It’s also why he asked “how’s your family doing bill?” & then jasper freaked out.
You're reaching man, how was he dumb or unlikeable in the series? It's made out to be very apparent that the Watcher made him feel like he must do everything he can to protect his family etc while also juggling trying to provide for his family, which is completely understandable whether you're a man or woman, as long as you're a parent. Most drama or thriller series involve a person being helpless to some extent
Just started watching this series I consider it intriguing I don’t think it’s so possible to act according to the true life story, I give them their flowers !❤
@@lavatr8322 Finally! Someone I see who agrees with me! I got turned off the moment they made the daughter cry racism and the blk kid say how bad it is for him to be in a police station. Netflix can't seem to understand that we Americans are tired of political propaganda..
Just finished watching it. I thought it was great. Maybe a bit over the top but good. The ending makes you think the husband and wife were the watchers. But no one really knows unless the watcher actually admits it.
It's so rare these days to watch a good show without all the political Bias, this was a great watch that really brought the audience in to it's Story. Well done to the creator's.
I thought this was an awesome show. I just watched all 7 episodes in a day which is really rare for me to do. Not many shows get me to binge watch them. This one did!
yep, the Netflix woke quota was largely fulfilled as usual... the family in the real case had 3 kids of 10, 8 and 5 years old, and in the show we had to swallow their daughter's fictitious and unrelated love affair with the "incorrect" guy
@@nicocba2007 I got all the messages, even the subtle knock on the adre nachrome being just made up by "crazies". Nothing flew over my head. But compared to the rest of the crap we get these days, this was actually an enjoyable watch.
@@aussieknuckles my take on this would be, If you have read about the case beforehand, you'll feel frustrated after watching this. If you don't know anything about it, you'll also feel frustrated as everything goes to a dead end and you won't get any answers. And finally, if you just like suspense and thriller stories you'll find a convoluted storyline full of unnecessary twists and turns, with a good and promising beginning and a dull and contrived ending. Overall it's a waste of time; the same thing has already been made in a much better way many times.
I didn’t watch the trailer and only saw the title and thought “I sure wish they’d make a show about that family who got letters at the Watcher house!” I’m a little slow.
The watcher/watchers were the home preservation society. It says the watcher was never caught but that is "officially" and for the characters of the show, us as viewers have the inside information that it was obviously the neighbours little club. Not to mention we literally are shown the man in the tunnels in the robe was John/ Bill. I dont know how anyone missed that. Also id say that john wasnt made up by the private investigator, who did nothing but lie the whole time, as in the final episode we see that the teacher recognised John and John then insists he is from the library. The teacher then asks John how is family are and John just gives him an evil look. All in all the story would have been shit if it copied the real story which was basically nothing happened. The preservation society cause any homeowners that renovate in a way they dont agree with to lose their minds and move out, only to then become obsessed with the home themselves.
I thought the "Netflex" version was bunch of bullsit, have that stuff didn't happen to that family! It came off as a bad soap opera, Netfles has some nerve calling that a true story
The other difference is the filming locations. The show did not film in the bougie neighborhood of Westfield NJ. Instead, they filmed in Rye, New York, a suburb in Westchester County, New York
just a side note on the last episode when the new family was in the house ( well outside) was john / bill/william, inside there house again watching them from upstairs?
Thank you. Glad I watched the Netflix show first. I like when shows are Loosely based on reality. Matter of fact, we live near the Dahmer Family since 1960... Although we're a few years older, the 5 or 6 films are somewhat similar. The only factual events come from Jeff and his father Lionel.. The area is gorgeous, but in the few yrs after the trial, there were scores of ambulance chasers driving by .... Sad to this day..
Great video. I thought I would share something with you and the rest of the viewers and get some other opinions. You are probably familiar with the case of family Annihilator John list. He killed his entire family in 1971 in Westfield New Jersey and disappeared. In 1989 an updated age sculpture was shown on America's Most Wanted and he was captured. He had been living for years as Robert Clark and nobody had a clue about his past. The reason I bring this up is because I've been seeing stuff all over the internet saying that the John graft character is based upon John list. Yes.. the town is the same.. the murdered the family thing is the same. However in The Watcher John graft is still out and on the loose. John list passed away in 2008 in a hospital not far from my house. So my opinion is.. yeah there are similarities to John list and John graft.. however there are so many other differences.. can we really say the character was based upon John list? Maybe we should be saying John list inspired the character. Yes the crime happened in Westfield New Jersey.. but other than that and the fact of the killing of the family.. I don't see other similarities. Honestly.. if you think about it.. can we even say without a doubt that John graft killed his family? Yes they allude to it several times.. but then Theodora claim to have made him up.. yet he's still supposedly attends the meeting at the end of The Watcher. What is everyone's thoughts on the character?
Anyway John Graff is a creep, he's the person in the tunnel, and having killed his whole family means he's capable of killing the ferret and the doggy. I think Pearl is The Watcher and drove John to madness, and keeps him around b/c she feels bad
I think John killed his family because it turned out Theodora made this whole reveal up - so everything they unearthed before that is still true. It's also implied that the teacher recognized him when he asked ' How's you family Bill ', and they were interrupted. I think that definitely happened and somehow they formed an alliance with Pearl. Maybe the two of them were the Watcher. Perhaps he was the guy who showed up in the house when Karen moved in and killed her dog too. He's definitely a cuckoo a maybe his motive for these letters is to preserve the house/town how it was. And Pearl is so obsessed with the same too. But what I can't pinpoint is the blood cult and what Andrew's child saw. Because we know this likely happened. Unless Andrew really went crazy after the passing of his wife and the cult thing isn't a thing. Then there won't be loose ends. But I don't think so...so the track suit lady is also evil...? Wish we had more answers 😁
@@tonymacintosh3744 what? Lol I'm allowed to not like something I watched lmao I don't just stop watching a show half way like most people if that is what you mean
I thought that The Watcher was very good. I didn’t understand why they didn’t put a spy type camera device inside the mailbox ( for example like for cars ) since the letters were hand delivered. OR get a Post Office Box and cease getting mail at the house entirely . I would like to think that I would have moved into the house and had some beefy security. Any information on the new owners if they received have any letters from The Watcher. I still feel like we are missing something about this family. I think That one of them has an enemy or some other vendetta with some one in the past.. a former mistress is what I’m thinking actually
In reality nothing happened to them but some silly letters, should've just ignored them and went on with their day. Show wasnt that good, but a ok pass time. The only real problem was the kid sending the video to his work.
You want to now something funny I lived in the neighbourhood when it happened I was 5 years old i barley remember my dad seeing it in the news and got scared so we moved to a different town it was so creepy
Arent anyone going to speak about that John were up in the window at 657 for the new family when they were moving in? He were clearly still keep using his secret tunnel, he is living with the crazy lady and Jasper and goes under the tunnel to update them for all the new construction which is to be done. Rhen they speak about it in their club. Then they togheter make the watcher lettere togheter. as we remember John also had the watcher, and as said in the letters «it is now my turn» i belive the watcher goes on from person to person. John probably had an old one many years ago, and now he haa been for years and to everyone while hiding in the tunnel and at Jasper. And now Dean is obsessed and he wil like to join in also beeing the watcher.
I grew up in a funeral home. I would take the watcher house any day of the week and twice on Sunday. This house wouldn’t scare me whatsoever or any mail I may get. (I live by this home and I feel nothing at all around it) Just sayin Now they are in Matawan trying to play with the “blue house” to keep it from being knocked down.
Was there really tunnels in the house? Did people get into the house through the tunnels. And was there a guy in the 90s who lived there and killed his family? And do we know anything about the current residents? And if they are getting letters?
I started watching this show and enjoyed it for several episodes. To me, a lot of it is not cohesive. Loan officer giving out personal info., side things like that. I decided when I saw 7 seasons total, this story line could not support it. I think it would have made a better movie. Appreciate your take.
I actually hated the ending you know - just not getting an answer. Like the show made it seem like there was going to be a massive plot at the end. And then there wasn’t. Is that just me? 😂
I think the watcher is Karen. She said to that elderly couple across the street that she'll buy there home and something about an LLC, which was said that an LLC bought the branocks house. So I think they keep re-flipping the same house to make tons of money and repeat the process
According to the show, the police did everything to help the family, including sending the letter for DNA analysis, and all they got in return was constant abuse and attack by the family. Who does that, seriously? If anything, you'd surely want to keep the police sweet and on your side!
And no one thought to install a camera in a tree facing the mailbox with another camera (with 360° view) on the roof facing the tree and the mailbox? or to install a high fence with spikes, with a hedge? That way no one would have seen the house. With mirror stickers on the windows like that the interior of a house can no longer be seen at all?
I just finished watching the series. First few episodes were ok, but went downhill after that. The ending was terrible. One of the worst series I’ve watched in a long time.
I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I might have given that secret cave in the basement another peak othe than the initial discovery. I might have even just walked in there and seen where it came out. Probably a crazy idea
What did you think of The Watcher on Netflix? Comment your thoughts below!
i think they overdid it with the twists and turns whch actually was eating away from the tension more than it should have been intended. the real estate agent moving in and stuff like that was just way over the top. especially if the story is based on true events you should never fall into the trap of making it feel unrealistic. also the side characters are very cliche... that being said the acting was fantastic. great cast
I found it boring.I also thought the character that Jennifer Coolidge played was comical and felt out of place for some reason.I would never recommend this to anyone.
I binge watched it last night. It was well put together, even though not all elements were directly from the real story.
I hated this show, it had no conclusion, I feel like I wasted my time
It was rubbish! The Unwatchable.
The craziest thing the Netflix show did was have a family buy a 3.3 million dollar home and they only owned 1 Toyota Prius to get around in.
I never noticed that!
Have you seen it he bought it with all their money and 10 k left
Lol
He was out of money
that's cos murikkka is sickkk
I saw a news report last week that said since the Netflix series came out, fans of the show have been driving to the house to get a look at it and the neighbors complained to police about the sudden surge of traffic in their block so police cordoned off the house with crime scene tape and having cops periodically stop by to shoo people away. Kind of funny how the house has tons of “Watchers” now. 😂
the real life house it happened at, or the house used in the show?
@@yakob9672 The real life house where it happened in Westfield New Jersey.
I believe the whole neighbourhood planned together and was the 'watcher' to get that family out of their neighbourhood, now its like a karma that they cant live in peace themselves because now there are many watchers
😂
@@Jasmineliketheflowerwhy do you believe that just asking was any of the neighbors suspicious when this whole thing happened in real life. not in the Netflix show
The John Graff character is based on John List who, on Nov. 9, 1971, killed his entire family in identical fashion within their Westfield abode. List similarly lost his job, and gradually bled out his mother's $200,000 savings before killing her and his wife in the house. He also ambushed two of his children when they returned home from school, and it's rumored that he made himself lunch between the killings, after which he reportedly traveled to his oldest son's soccer game and shot him approximately 10 times later that night.
In that same house the real people lived in or just in the same town?
Yes!! I knew the story was familiar
@@JSweez87 just in the same town. It had nothing to do with what was going on with the watcher letters
You should clarify in your comment that those events didn't happen in the mansion where the events that inspired the miniseries took place, neither the people involved had any connections one with another.
In the netflix versiin6 john Graff caffies6 out the mass murder inside 65u Boulevard as they were previous owners in 1995...So although it happened in the samd zip code for dramatization purposes two stories ( the watcher and the mass murder) became one.
The house in the show was MUCH nicer than the actual house.
Yes, the real house is kinda “ meh”
They added so much fictional stuff into it so why not give us a fictional ending
That’s a fair point!
One of things I never understood was if this family were being watched, why didn't they put security cameras around the house, by the mail and pointing it on the street to find out who's the culprit??
That would be the first thing I would do if I end up receiving those creepy letters.
True lol but the watcher did not necessarily have to deliver the letters themselves could have been someone else
The mailman probably delivered the mail
@@cluezybluez he did
The mail man delivered the letters
Right? Was there a return address and stamp? How did the letters go through the post office without all of that.
Maybe the true watcher was the friends we made along the way
Yep theirs your twist
The Golden Girls?
🤯
If this in jest, then hell yea thats who the watcher is. If you're serious i just puked my pants
that's what i was thinking!
As far as the nearby resident relating to video games, he didn’t have a screen name of The Watcher, but a detective or officer who questioned him, recalled “to his memory” that he played a game called The Watcher. However this sounds like it could have been “The Witcher” video game, and the officers memory could have misconstrued this.
lol, that sounds like typical police work, it must be the video games.
If I recall correctly, that suspect was brought up by his girlfriend (or at the time his ex?). One night she parked her car near the house for several hours, that brought the attention of the private investigator that was watching the house from a van. She was interrogated and she said she was actually watching his boyfriend, who lived in the area, and during the interrogatory she mentioned the guy was playing a game or using the nickname "the watcher" for gaming.
This was said in buzzfeeds unsolved video about this case
This happened with my brother lol
I think the Watcher as told on Netflix is a perfect allegory for what is going on today. One group desperately wishing to hold on to a romanticised past (the preservation society) against anyone who wants change or modernisation (those who move into the house). Huge distrust and dislike on either side, manifesting in utter paranoia. The point is that this made everyone in the show watchers at one point or another.
Bullshit
@@thinkisthekey1234 Thank you for your considered, well set out opinion
@@sandrapasquarella674 That is so interesting
The daughter fabricating a story to make her father look racist is 100% based on what's going on today.
I was waiting for John Graff to be caught by Robert, felt like they left out a big part of that conversation.
It was intriguing at first but it just went off the rails with one red herring after another. If this was a tighter 4 episodes it might have been better. It became really annoying that every character the couple encountered turned out to be vindictive, rotten assholes... private detective lady notwithstanding
I watched the first few episodes, and a part of me kept wishing that the owners would deal with the crisis by tossing these letters straight into the garbage can, where they belonged.
I honestly feel like this watcher person just loved the attention they were getting
@@mazvitaselemani
If I know that someone is intentionally trying to scare me, hell would freeze over before I give them the satisfaction, but that’s just me.
Or just fucking install cameras in the streets get the state to do it
How about the music in their house and others
I think it’s derek and maria braddus that wrote the letters to themselves
Let’s be honest, there was no “watcher”. The Netflix version is filled with dramatization and it was without a doubt an inside job. The real family still lives in the same town of Westfield. You’d think if they had been soooo traumatized they would have hauled ass far from that place.
The real family never even lived in the house.
I think it’s derek and maria braddus that wrote the letters to themselves
The real case of the watcher would easily have made a great movie. IMO there is no need for all the stuff they add in, the tunnels, Andrew or the neighbors killing themselves. I just wish theywould have stuck with the story because it is very interesting in its own rights
Yes me too, we’ve got maybe 2 episodes left to watch and it’s a bit frustrating the differences
What story? The only story is that they receive the letters. That’s all. It’s the whole story. Netflix did a great job of making a have out of have not.
Yes a movie would if been better...the series was too damn long
The true story would be enough for a 2 hour movie perhaps ... but not enough for 7 episodes of 44 minutes. True to form since 2017 (in every movie and TV series they have made), Netflix made sure that 2 of the central characters were black actors. 👍I loved the series. Full of twists and turns and tense moments.
@@suzy8109 I just wish if they are doing it based on a true story that would stick to the story. JMO
just finished the series, damn what a rollercoaster of emotions, really good series
I just did so too, damn that was heavy
The ending was terrible and made no sense
I'm into it.... where their stooopid Hor ass daughter accuses them for Racism lmfao....
That is so American... I feel sad for Whites around the world..
@@ziquaftynny9285 case is unsolved, so it kinda make sense, but i get what you mean
Really I hated it in the end
All those cameras installed all around the house, and still couldn't catch anyone.
Ridiculous! 😄
The show added a basement, I would put cameras even in the toilet tbh
@@lucaspagnozzi6401 ew 😂😂
Considering the were put up but you never see the owner view them and he’s living there, in future episodes it’s indicated they aren’t all installed and it’s still ongoing. They should have been installed all at once.
@@Mimidabraatt I'm sure you'd rather ew, than picking your dogs carcass off the floor. insert sarcastic laugh emoji-
Has everyone ruled out maybe he or she was never watching from the outside but using something to watch on the inside, the real family installed cameras on the outside, hired a PI but maybe they shouldn’t be looking for someone but something. My guess is there could be hidden cameras/mics scattered throughout the house, giving the stalker the chance to watch from somewhere else.. you can’t catch someone if they are watching from a distance. And let’s be honest this was 2014 wasn’t that long ago, it wouldn’t be far fetched if the person live completely in a different area or state, broke in the house at one point put hidden cameras in, and just sat at home like a creep watching them, and it wouldn’t have been difficult to just go to the post office to mail a letter
why would they do that to all te family’s then
It was good to see Netflix afforded Mia Farrow the rare opportunity to play herself.
Her face looked weird though🤔
@@gittevogelbein8259 who’s Mia?
@@wayneguy6043 actress who plays pearl
@@wayneguy6043 uh, Mia Farrow a very famous actress.. who played the neighbor
@@gittevogelbein8259 because she is actually a he. Hollyweird with its inverted couples. Time to wake up. You know they look gendered. They worship Baphmet, half man, half woman. That’s why they look weird, but your mind can’t accept it, cause you don’t want to look or think you are crazy, but your mind is telling you something isn’t right.
The faces of Mia Farrow and Stiffler's Mom scared me the most 😱
I’m so thankful that Andrew wasn’t real because I felt so bad for him😭
Yeah it would have been pretty bleak!
If Andrew isn’t real why was he there at the end of the series crying outside the house?? Confused someone please explain
@@noahmeza8826 Andrew's real in the series but not in the actual real story he's just a made up character
@@leahkozma thankyoy
it started out great but i felt as the series went on the watcher became less and less threatening. who would really be afraid of any of the neighbours?
Put you in those shoes, even though everyone is unthreatening they killed your son's ferret 5 days ago, and have access to your house whenever they feel like it and you don't know how, you'd grow paranoid
That's what I thought until I watched a couple of "Fear Thy Neighbor" episodes on ID, lol.
The owner of the house should rent it out to fans of the show .... i bet many ppl will want to experience living there and see if they can meet the watcher
yeah they must be very happy with this show because their prices will sky rocket. It's a great advertisement. And with all eyes on the house even if there was someone with actual intent of harm which i absolutely highly doubt, they wouldnt be able to due to all of the attention, police, filming etc. the owners hit the jackpot haha
It's an inside job, they were trying to scare the new owner so they would sell for a lower price and vice versa.
What did the neighbours have to gain from a reduced price of that house, to the extent they would be willing to kill, threaten and terrorise?
I want to know who killed Sprinkles!!!! He didn’t deserve that, we need closure😢
That never actually happened in the real life case. Zero family pets were killed in the real house. One of the MANY details added for dramatic effect.
@@Theendlessriver77 I get that, but for the story of the show I want to know lol
@@Theendlessriver77 ??????????? We're here discussing the series. Not the actual case? You in the wrong comment section Karen. xD
Between this and Dahmer I'm really getting tired of Netflix heavily dramatizing things and straight up lying when it's not necessary. No coincidence that the same writer worked on both.
They have to also respect families wishes if they don’t want their families added into something the writer has done nothing wrong but do what he needed to do. Dahmer was a bad man, that’s it and that’s all.
Dahmer was pretty accurate
no one is forcing you to watch their shows,.... go watch something else
That's why I don't watch regular TV anymore. All these people screaming about fake news but fake movies about real events are perfectly fine. I feel sorry for the future historians that have to try and figure all of this out.
In the show the previous owner John who murdered his family was based on another crime story. And it happened exactly like that just not related do watcher case but real true crime
Could you share the name of the case?
Was looking for this comment. It's such a creepy story and of I remember correctly he got a job as an accountant, remarried and only changed to thicker glasses but got recognized and caught like 15 years later
@@christinaioan5429 john list family murders
I dont even really CARE what the True story is ,, they did a FANTASTIC JOB with this .. and they left it so OPEN ENDED , that there has to be More, a LOT more .. I hope the Writers are at it , because I cant wait .. the Tunnels alone you could make several episodes about.. and we never even found out who was sleeping in that room ??? this is an amazing story ,and will leave you on the edge of your Seat .. it starts out kind of stupid, but it builds Nicely, and takes a couple of Nice Twists and Turns . the Investigator was awesome ..and then the plot twist there .. its not even that important WHO the Watcher is .. its the Story behind if which is so Fascinating .. Nice Job, truly nice Suspense , Mystery .
I only came across this because I was frustrated with how stupid the first two episodes were and didn't make sense and was lookin to see others views. I find them even more annoying after learing it is 'based off actual events'
It was John & the tree hugger lady. They’re the first ones seen in the tunnels. They started that house club & then added the others in.
Yes, there was that scene where John knocked hurriedly on a large and thick wooden door. Later, Pearl opened it from the other side.
It was not Pearl's house's front door. It looked like they were in a tunnel or somewhere hidden from plain sight.
@@nicholaslawrence6926 Exactly.
This is what I’m thinking
This never actually happened the series made the tunnels up to make it more interesting, also John never actually murdered his family in that house it was just the same zip code
The Watcher was the young former student turned bride of the older teacher 🤯
Kaplan's 2nd wife, that Japanese lady?
I'm inclined to think it was Kaplan who sent the letters.
@@nicholaslawrence6926 it was John that was watching though
I just finished to watch the series on Netflix and read some info about real story. You did a great job with this video comparing the dramatized and real elements. Thumbs up 👍
Thanks a lot - glad you enjoyed it!
Did anyone catch how they wrote in the true story of John List? He killed his entire family and was on the run for years until featured on Americas Most Wanted. He wore the dark framed glasses in real life I caught that right away.
This show had everything to be really good. But just wasn’t
@This & That With Delana Taylor Indeed.
the family was really unlikeable tbh and i just kept wishing that final episode would end. they left multiple things unanswered (obviously the case is still unsolved and i’m not referring to that) but i mean like who is killing the pets in the house and who was that bill guy who dean thought was john and where did that other guy in the preservation group recognize him from? idk i could just be missing something but i feel they were in over their heads with all these little things leading nowhere. i get it’s supposed to be mysterious but it just left me feeling unsatisfied at the end
@This & That With Delana Taylor yeah I loved watching it but the ending is so unsatisfying absolutely no questions are answered which like they said yes it’s unsolved but it’s not even just abt who’s the watcher countless other things had no meaning/ending
@@3mk0s at the end of the last episode it’s confirmed that it actually is the real john Kaplan is like “I know where I recognize you from bill, how’s the family?” Which confirms that “Bill “ is actually john.
@@3mk0s bro that guy lied abt his name being bill. That WAS John graff. That’s why roger knew who he was. Roger had been keeping his eye on that house his whole life. It’s also why he asked “how’s your family doing bill?” & then jasper freaked out.
funny how the Dad is always dumb helpless or totally unlikable in every Netflix show or movie.
You're reaching man, how was he dumb or unlikeable in the series? It's made out to be very apparent that the Watcher made him feel like he must do everything he can to protect his family etc while also juggling trying to provide for his family, which is completely understandable whether you're a man or woman, as long as you're a parent. Most drama or thriller series involve a person being helpless to some extent
@@tb8654 he is right. even the old couple were made out to be seen as conservatives who are evil. there was definitely a political agenda in the show.
....lmao wat
Yes, it's Hollywood's attack on men/the patriarchy.
They deliberately make all men behave like cry babies/losers/freaks in every TV show.
@@tb8654 why would he try and buy that house knowing he can’t afford it? And why didn’t he just sell the house and leave
Now why did they add all this extra just to stretch out episodes?? And the series ending was trash. SMH
Just started watching this series I consider it intriguing I don’t think it’s so possible to act according to the true life story, I give them their flowers !❤
Yea but its possible to stick to the story than adding ...various appropiations and political correctedness
@@lavatr8322 true though
You're tripping lol nobody thought Dahmer was Dahmer until they found out. There's some sick people out here, so rule out the possibility of it.
@@lavatr8322 Finally! Someone I see who agrees with me! I got turned off the moment they made the daughter cry racism and the blk kid say how bad it is for him to be in a police station. Netflix can't seem to understand that we Americans are tired of political propaganda..
Just finished watching it. I thought it was great. Maybe a bit over the top but good. The ending makes you think the husband and wife were the watchers. But no one really knows unless the watcher actually admits it.
Thanks for this. It was a pleasant listen.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I cant believe nobody bought like 2 huge dogs - there would be no one in the house anymore. burn the letters and live xD
Right??!!
i stopped by the house on boulevard the other night. about 20 min from where i live. nobody around. felt pretty creepy.
sounds like ur the creepy guy xd
what has "nobody around" to do with creepy? maybe you made this "creepy" comment just to say you live 20' away from that house?
How is that creepy
It's so rare these days to watch a good show without all the political Bias, this was a great watch that really brought the audience in to it's Story. Well done to the creator's.
I thought this was an awesome show. I just watched all 7 episodes in a day which is really rare for me to do. Not many shows get me to binge watch them. This one did!
@@derekhaller7435 yeah same, I even had it going on my phone while I was cutting up vegies etc for soup.
yep, the Netflix woke quota was largely fulfilled as usual... the family in the real case had 3 kids of 10, 8 and 5 years old, and in the show we had to swallow their daughter's fictitious and unrelated love affair with the "incorrect" guy
@@nicocba2007 I got all the messages, even the subtle knock on the adre nachrome being just made up by "crazies". Nothing flew over my head. But compared to the rest of the crap we get these days, this was actually an enjoyable watch.
@@aussieknuckles my take on this would be, If you have read about the case beforehand, you'll feel frustrated after watching this. If you don't know anything about it, you'll also feel frustrated as everything goes to a dead end and you won't get any answers. And finally, if you just like suspense and thriller stories you'll find a convoluted storyline full of unnecessary twists and turns, with a good and promising beginning and a dull and contrived ending. Overall it's a waste of time; the same thing has already been made in a much better way many times.
this show bites off more than it can chew.
were not gonna talk about the tunnels??
I didn’t watch the trailer and only saw the title and thought “I sure wish they’d make a show about that family who got letters at the Watcher house!”
I’m a little slow.
The watcher/watchers were the home preservation society. It says the watcher was never caught but that is "officially" and for the characters of the show, us as viewers have the inside information that it was obviously the neighbours little club. Not to mention we literally are shown the man in the tunnels in the robe was John/ Bill. I dont know how anyone missed that.
Also id say that john wasnt made up by the private investigator, who did nothing but lie the whole time, as in the final episode we see that the teacher recognised John and John then insists he is from the library. The teacher then asks John how is family are and John just gives him an evil look.
All in all the story would have been shit if it copied the real story which was basically nothing happened.
The preservation society cause any homeowners that renovate in a way they dont agree with to lose their minds and move out, only to then become obsessed with the home themselves.
What about the son shooting the old couple to claim insurance money?
I thought the "Netflex" version was bunch of bullsit, have that stuff didn't happen to that family! It came off as a bad soap opera, Netfles has some nerve calling that a true story
are you the watcher, Melanie?
The other difference is the filming locations. The show did not film in the bougie neighborhood of Westfield NJ. Instead, they filmed in Rye, New York, a suburb in Westchester County, New York
In the real life case, the family actually never moved into the house... that tells you all about the plot of this dull sci-fi thriller miniseries.
A 1.3 million dollar house in 2014 would be 3 million today, so no, they got the price right
I about died when Nora put in her security password as 1234
just a side note on the last episode when the new family was in the house ( well outside) was john / bill/william, inside there house again watching them from upstairs?
Yes I saw that too!
@@bluem5620 people keep saying it wasn't obvious who the watcher, but I feel like hes the most obvious
It’s obvious it’s the old couple mo and Mitch
@@costalib5975 care to explain my brother
Just like in the first episode, he is there in the house too! He living in that tunnel, Pearl keeps him there
I first knew about the watcher case from Ryan and Shane
If the series would have ended with only 6 episodes that would be quite good rather than including mysterious unexpected episode 7
It started off enticing then nosedived like every other Netflix series. They seem to be churning them out every week now.
It's kinda frustrating that the case wasn't solved. Felt just like the dad.
So nobody thought to put a camera on the mailbox through this entire ordeal? They could afford a Million dollar House but couldn't afford ONE camera?
Mailman brought the letters.
Thank you. Glad I watched the Netflix show first. I like when shows are Loosely based on reality. Matter of fact, we live near the Dahmer Family since 1960... Although we're a few years older, the 5 or 6 films are somewhat similar. The only factual events come from Jeff and his father Lionel.. The area is gorgeous, but in the few yrs after the trial, there were scores of ambulance chasers driving by .... Sad to this day..
Isn't Dahmer a show from Netflix?
@@techsram8495 yes but it’s a real family
Great video. I thought I would share something with you and the rest of the viewers and get some other opinions. You are probably familiar with the case of family Annihilator John list. He killed his entire family in 1971 in Westfield New Jersey and disappeared. In 1989 an updated age sculpture was shown on America's Most Wanted and he was captured. He had been living for years as Robert Clark and nobody had a clue about his past. The reason I bring this up is because I've been seeing stuff all over the internet saying that the John graft character is based upon John list. Yes.. the town is the same.. the murdered the family thing is the same. However in The Watcher John graft is still out and on the loose. John list passed away in 2008 in a hospital not far from my house. So my opinion is.. yeah there are similarities to John list and John graft.. however there are so many other differences.. can we really say the character was based upon John list? Maybe we should be saying John list inspired the character. Yes the crime happened in Westfield New Jersey.. but other than that and the fact of the killing of the family.. I don't see other similarities. Honestly.. if you think about it.. can we even say without a doubt that John graft killed his family? Yes they allude to it several times.. but then Theodora claim to have made him up.. yet he's still supposedly attends the meeting at the end of The Watcher. What is everyone's thoughts on the character?
If you made it all the way through my extremely long comment.. thanks! Really didn't intend for it to be so long.
Anyway John Graff is a creep, he's the person in the tunnel, and having killed his whole family means he's capable of killing the ferret and the doggy. I think Pearl is The Watcher and drove John to madness, and keeps him around b/c she feels bad
I think John killed his family because it turned out Theodora made this whole reveal up - so everything they unearthed before that is still true. It's also implied that the teacher recognized him when he asked ' How's you family Bill ', and they were interrupted. I think that definitely happened and somehow they formed an alliance with Pearl. Maybe the two of them were the Watcher. Perhaps he was the guy who showed up in the house when Karen moved in and killed her dog too. He's definitely a cuckoo a maybe his motive for these letters is to preserve the house/town how it was. And Pearl is so obsessed with the same too. But what I can't pinpoint is the blood cult and what Andrew's child saw. Because we know this likely happened. Unless Andrew really went crazy after the passing of his wife and the cult thing isn't a thing. Then there won't be loose ends. But I don't think so...so the track suit lady is also evil...? Wish we had more answers 😁
@@soonsims yeah this is a good analysis, exactly what i was thinking
This show was so damn bad. The main guy was good in his role, and obviously Naomi Watts killed it as per usual. But godamn, this was a dumb show
and yet you watched it? who is the dummy now?
@@tonymacintosh3744 what? Lol I'm allowed to not like something I watched lmao
I don't just stop watching a show half way like most people if that is what you mean
@@LowTempDabr still a dummy. You must be blond
What about the tunnel under the home? Was that fact or fiction?
Fiction.
There were no tunnels in the actual house. 😆
I thought that The Watcher was very good. I didn’t understand why they didn’t put a spy type camera device inside the mailbox ( for example like for cars ) since the letters were hand delivered. OR get a Post Office Box and cease getting mail at the house entirely . I would like to think that I would have moved into the house and had some beefy security. Any information on the new owners if they received have any letters from The Watcher. I still feel like we are missing something about this family. I think That one of them has an enemy or some other vendetta with some one in the past.. a former mistress is what I’m thinking actually
Also importantly, were there any Cruel Deaths of Family Pets by the Watcher?
Or was it just in the Netflix show for dramatic effect.
I believe that was just in the show!
Does anyone know if these letters continued when the new family bought the house in 2019?
They claimed that not. But we dont know for sure what realny haopened
I had no idea my 8 year old was writing for Netflix.
I had no idea my 8 year old was writing for Netflix.
Hello Brainpilot, u didn't mention the tunnel.
Was that real or just made up by Netflix?
They were not real and nobody ever entered there house without consent
@@rickybobby2567 thank you! I wanted to know so badlyn
@@rickybobby2567 wow Netflix really tried to flipped the script haha 😂
Reminds me of ground hog day in that it repeats.
Hi how’re you doing?
Can’t beat a gooey/fudgey brownie.
💜💜💜💜💜
I think genetic genealogy will break this case wide open since there was a dna on the envelope.
In reality nothing happened to them but some silly letters, should've just ignored them and went on with their day. Show wasnt that good, but a ok pass time.
The only real problem was the kid sending the video to his work.
Camera pointed at mailbox after first letter could have helped.
My thought on the open ending is that the dad just could let go, and his wife followed him. I guess I’m just too naive
You want to now something funny I lived in the neighbourhood when it happened I was 5 years old i barley remember my dad seeing it in the news and got scared so we moved to a different town it was so creepy
LOL, thanks for the Spoiler @Mr.Ballen 😂
Just fucking install cameras in the street (petition the state to do it)
What about Andrew saying his kid saw a blood cult and Mo drank his blood?
the guy was on drugs ...what he saw wasn't real
@@kimdontcare244 and when he said his kid saw a blood cult ritual?
And the wife going crazy because she saw strange things happening in the house?
Sorry, I'm just very intrigued and confused lol
@@Peanutnut2907 its real , and it happens today thats why its played with like this in movies to make it seem fake
Made me feel like I was the watcher 🤣
we are in a way 👀
extortions make more sense
what about seeing someone in the tunnels in their basement?
The best Netflix series since "Ozark."
Ozark was so good!
Arent anyone going to speak about that John were up in the window at 657 for the new family when they were moving in? He were clearly still keep using his secret tunnel, he is living with the crazy lady and Jasper and goes under the tunnel to update them for all the new construction which is to be done. Rhen they speak about it in their club. Then they togheter make the watcher lettere togheter.
as we remember John also had the watcher, and as said in the letters «it is now my turn» i belive the watcher goes on from person to person. John probably had an old one many years ago, and now he haa been for years and to everyone while hiding in the tunnel and at Jasper. And now Dean is obsessed and he wil like to join in also beeing the watcher.
I grew up in a funeral home.
I would take the watcher house any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
This house wouldn’t scare me whatsoever or any mail I may get.
(I live by this home and I feel nothing at all around it)
Just sayin
Now they are in Matawan trying to play with the “blue house” to keep it from being knocked down.
Hello how’re you doing?
So was the lady real that was on the video bedroom camera with the husband ?
No that wasn't real
they were all the watchers , watching the house
Yeah agreed!
Was there really tunnels in the house? Did people get into the house through the tunnels. And was there a guy in the 90s who lived there and killed his family? And do we know anything about the current residents? And if they are getting letters?
Nope.
Look up for John List murder.. that is the true story where John Graff character was based on
I started watching this show and enjoyed it for several episodes. To me, a lot of it is not cohesive. Loan officer giving out personal info., side things like that. I decided when I saw 7 seasons total, this story line could not support it. I think it would have made a better movie. Appreciate your take.
they made it seem like Westfield is like Beverly Hills - ie. full of the idle rich. It's not. Economically, it's got a fairly decent spread
I actually hated the ending you know - just not getting an answer. Like the show made it seem like there was going to be a massive plot at the end. And then there wasn’t. Is that just me? 😂
I think it’s derek and maria braddus that wrote the letters to themselves
I think the watcher is Karen. She said to that elderly couple across the street that she'll buy there home and something about an LLC, which was said that an LLC bought the branocks house. So I think they keep re-flipping the same house to make tons of money and repeat the process
You haven’t finished the show yet have you?
I've watched til when they entered the tunnels and Jeff graff said there onto us so now I kinda know
Spoiler
It’s not Karen.
I thought so too until she lived in herself
Nothing about the tunnels under the house or John Graff?
John Graff was based on John List
There weren't any tunnels in real life
With the amount of artistic liberty and lack of sticking to the true story they should have wrapped up the show in some way.
According to the show, the police did everything to help the family, including sending the letter for DNA analysis, and all they got in return was constant abuse and attack by the family. Who does that, seriously? If anything, you'd surely want to keep the police sweet and on your side!
And no one thought to install a camera in a tree facing the mailbox with another camera (with 360° view) on the roof facing the tree and the mailbox?
or to install a high fence with spikes, with a hedge?
That way no one would have seen the house.
With mirror stickers on the windows like that the interior of a house can no longer be seen at all?
He went for the bargain deal instead and trusted a 19 year olds intuition. Explains a lot
@@beneficentnature9356 That's true ^^"
Didn’t know it was a true story 😱!! Love it !!
There’s a good true crime podcast about this. I think it’s Sword and Scale or Casefile.
We are the fucking watcher watching the watcher to know who the real watcher is but got no watcher in the end .
wtf so basically the show isn't "based on a true story" like it claims. sounds like it was way different
I just finished watching the series. First few episodes were ok, but went downhill after that. The ending was terrible. One of the worst series I’ve watched in a long time.
Hi 👋 how are you doing?
I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I might have given that secret cave in the basement another peak othe than the initial discovery. I might have even just walked in there and seen where it came out. Probably a crazy idea
I believe the tunnel and cave were not real. I know I read it one of the articles I read about the show, just don't remember which one.
@@traceynorth3998 there definitely weren't any in the real house or do mean they aren't real on the show? Like a dream or something?