That's not a problem all farming people try and help each other out never think that you carnt ask for help everyone needs it. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes. Good luck. From Andy in UK
Excellent ! You might want to replace the idler pulley springs while you're at it ? I would also add an extra idler pulley on the long side, but that's me. I hope everything works out for you, we all hate seeing you have these issues.
I know that ypu and your family suffered a tragic loss in March, but you seem to be a very strong women and you have a good team with you sons and daughter in law helping you and you are not like a lot of men , me included who refuse to ask for help when they get in over their head because they are a man.I admire for reaching out for help. I hope that you and your family continue to have good success with your farm enterprise. That big green cutter is a sweet looking machine.
My dose of inspiration. Love seeing your family all pitch in. Can't imagine how difficult this must be. Asking for help is hard to do but I'm sure you'll find that most people feel blessed to be able to assist. You always receive more than you give. Blessings on you and yours.
With all due respect!!!! Absolutely love the boots. Flip flops are for beach yuppies!!! Nothing like a woman that’s easy on the eyes getting her hands dirty!!! Hope you got the kinks out of the mower!! I had one of those days last week!!! Had a 4 day window with no rain to get 1st round of hay cut!!! Clutches burn up on mower, Tedder u-joint goes out, old broke rake tooth flattens baler tractor tire, and my daughters car broke down. Was starting to get really pissed and then said owell and started laughing and shaking my head. “Tough times don’t last tough people do tho” Rite!!?? Good luck family!
Aaron V I love the quote. So true! Sorry to hear about your troubles, but at least I know we aren’t alone with breakdowns. I hope you got it all sorted out quickly.
Farmers have always been willing to help out fellow farmers when in desperate need. Awesome how much help you are receiving. Hope you get the cutter fixed soon. Good luck.
You all are doing amazing job glad your friends are leaning a big hand helping out where you need it the gal mowing wasn't messing around laying it down never underestimate the power of a woman. Keep up the great videos
So happy for you and I so enjoy your videos keep them coming when you have time thank you and thanks to the man and the company and young lady operator for helping this family.
I’m so glad to hear all the good things that is happening for y’all. After all the problems etc. Thank God for good people who will help and do whatever needs doing. We’re praying for y’all up here in Oklahoma. Y’all are doing awesome. Thanks for the video. 👍👍👍❤️
Great to see the Ag Sector remains so supportive of itself! Many wonderful people who simply find a way to reach out and be of assistance. The ole wind rower trick seems to work well for ya'll down that away too. The best of hay season is yet to arrive :) -Bob...
So happy you've had plenty of help Kim, it's hard enough to deal with what you've had to, but having equipment issues is a lot, God bless you all,and everyone that's pitched in and helped
Oh Kim that is AMAZING that you were able to find help! What an awesome cutter that gal was using! That kind is a lot less painful for the neck! You guys are doing fantastic!
Great video... Hopefully the new parts will finally correct the problems thats been ailing your cutter for a long time... Kudos going out to EVERYBODY involved in working on the cutter problem plus everybody who helped put The Diesel Princess on your farm cutting down your Hay crop... Great People coming together to help friends out in need.... That's what its ALL ABOUT...Good People... Y'all have a Great Sunday And thanx for sharing...
I am so glad you are getting so much help for cutting great people out there !!!!! Your one beautiful lady in side and out 😀😀😀wishing u guy's better luck !!!!
I'm so happy,you are getting the help you need. There are some very good people out there,that helps those in need of some help. The Lord is good. I'm praying for you guys.
Very glad you were able to ascertain the problem, funny story the last conversation I had with Scott was his idea to buy a John Deere windrower haha. I bet he was sitting up in heaven with a big smile watching that girl mow with one !!! As always best wish to your whole family from all of us at W A Ranch
Sorry to hear about all your troubles. Don't lose faith or hope. There's a lot of us out here pulling for you guys, we know you can get through it. And as others have said the AG community has a lot of people willing to help, my thanks to them.
The agriculture community is amazing, great job guys. I have no doubt you guys are going to get the belt situation figured out, and I'm digging the boots.
Using the camera to view the belt in slow motion really gave a good look at what it was doing. I have a John Deere mower and always engage the mower at a low throttle setting then bring it up to operating RPM.
Awesome you all are getting the support you need, to keep moving forward, hope you get all that hay in the barn dry. Keeps raining here in WI only got 5 acres done so far this year😕
The cutting assembly has massive amounts of inertia and all the idlers and springs are designed to maintain belt alignment and traction in the direction of applied load while cutting. An overrunning clutch is designed to rotate and apply force in the load direction and slip freely in the opposite direction. This allows the normal pulleys and idlers to keep the belts tracking properly because the inertia of the cutters would create a reverse load on the belts if the pto stops rotating faster than the cutters. God bless you guys and God bless the wonderful folks who are trying their best to help you.
Hi Kim !!! What you have is definitely an overrun clutch problem . I have run New Holland hay equipment for decades and have seen this before. If you disconnect your PTO shaft and can't spin it freely in the reverse while hearing that click click click then look no further dear problem solved. Best of luck to y'all and I love watching you guys
For me it looks like one of the Poelies is turning heavy,so maybe a broken bearing. It’s stops to fast and it starts to heavy. Good that people are helping you all.
So sorry for ur loss y'all are in my progressive the videos I'm a farmer in California we farm grapes and almonds used to farm alfalfa and cotton my heart is farming been in around it my whole life we lost my Grandpa in March he 104 years old take care be blessed
Glad you guys figured out the problem. We had the exact same problem a few years ago on our newholland discbine with the override clutch. It was very mystifying and frustrating at first. The newer discbines made after 2013 don't have that set up anymore. Good luck and ur hope haying season goes good.
WOW !!!. . . What a great shot of the failure there. I'm not expecting anyone agreeing with me but to me it looks like a design flaw of the manufacturers pulley set up, especially the way the belt flap there. Your doing great guys, keep on going 👍.
Hi Kim , from my 40 years experience of operating machines and repairs a new clutch is the way to go , may i suggest that over time the springs on the tension pulleys also weaken so it would be good to renew them as well while doing the repairs ,keep up the great work things will get easier best of luck with the hay making for the season from Ireland.
So happy you got some help! It appears you are getting to the bottom of your belt problem by eliminating one thing at a time. I have a feeling once you get it figured out you will wonder how you didn't see it in the beginning. But that is how it goes with equipment and of course it doesn't break if you don't use it. All the best and God speed to all of you.
Looking back in the GOOD days gone by( Scott) In September 2017 he ran over and cut a irrigation hose & coupler, could this have started this damize ? Bearing/clutch...it does appear you will win this battle , But as SCOTT would say ...Why is that? what's causing this? I missed this man's wisdom, you all have it , what a great teacher he was/is !
Even though the young gentleman said the override appeared to be working properly and the dogs were not frozen, what I'm seeing in your video appears that it is not. As I'm sure you know, the override is designed to let the machine wind down at it's own pace, separate than from the tractor PTO when it is disengaged. It's obvious the machine is still "coupled" and the tractor is trying to stop it. This also puts strain and extra wear and tear on the PTO clutch in the tractor. I'd focus back on that override assembly. I enjoy your videos and wish you a prosperous hay season!
That was my thought as well. When you shut off the power to the machine, nothing like what we are seeing should happen. Hate to stick my nose in, as our New Holland Discbine is only 11 ft, but the principle is the same.
Great to see the community helping out! That was a nice looking swather. Hope the overrun clutch does the trick, but I'd be looking for tensioner springs too like others have mentioned. Even discounting the pto not overrunning the way it should there still was a bit too much play in the belts. Hopefully the clutch does the trick for you!
I know everyone tries too save money on repairs but time is money also. Get a mechanic that works on the brand of equipment you have is a plus. Take it from a retired farmer of 44 Yrs.Good luck and God Bless You and You’re Family😎
Keep working with it i am sure you all working together will get it figured out as to what's wrong. I have a belt driven attachment on my tractor and it's no where as big as your cutter but had issues with belt jumping off if it was not slow down to idle before cutting off pto. Hope this though helps. Have a great day and be safe
Gearbox or clutch is the main thing that comes to mind. Also, it looks like you have a lot of belt vibration when running at higher rpm's. I would install another idler pulley on the the opposite side side of the 2 belts that already have an idler pulley. It will take the most of that vibration out of that side of the belt and help guide it to the pulley grooves. But yeah, you got bigger problems causing the belt to load up and jump off their pulleys. Gearbox, clutch, or a bearing would be my guess. Good Luck, Dave! :-)
Kim and family the over running clutch is the problem. When you shut down the P.T.O. the tractor is fitted with P.T.O. brake, which automatically is applied, all tractors are fitted with the P.T.O. brake.
My family has a couple of older discbines. It appears your PTO shaft is not disengaging from the mowers driven parts when you shut the PTO off in the tractor. As you mentioned, at least on our older discbines, there is a noticeable click-click-click sound, similar to the sound a ratchet makes when you shut the PTO off and it disengages from the mowers driven load. This allows the mower to slow down at it's own pace rather than directly following the PTO shaft speed. I get the impression your ratcheting mechanism is bound up or siezed and the mowers driven load is directly coupled to the tractors PTO without anyway for the mower to de-couple from the PTO shaft and spin at a different speed. The fact it's throwing belts shows the driven load is overrunning the PTO shaft speed since the belts, tensioner, etc are now dealing force coming at them a different direction. They are designed for the PTO to drive the mower, not the mower driving the PTO. The rotational forces are being sent the opposite direction than they were designed and now it's throwing belts. The slip clutch on this mower and most farm equipment, is basically a failsafe if you were to run into something that would otherwise bind or stall out the mower or equipment, the slip clutch should allow the PTO to spin but allow the mower to stop without breaking all kinds of parts. Shear bolts are another method to prevent equipment damage. I was not able to locate a manual for your discbine online to verify, but I would look over your manual and your machine and see if you can locate the ratcheting mechanism.
One thing I do so I have cold water most of the hot days is take 1 gallon plastic milk jugs, fill with water and freeze the jugs of water. This way everyone has a cool jug of water during the day to stay hydrated.
WE used to wrap our gallon jugs in burlap, and soak them down. Used evaporation for cooling. Worked perfect in those super hot days in the fields of Montana.
Man you alls hay looks fantastic so I guess it was all that rain we had. Bermuda make good hay for sure. I figured out what you need to do sell that cutter and get one like that Diesel Princess is using. : )
I have some suggestions on a fix. If this wasn’t happening when unit was brand new but happens now with the belts, if the tensioner have external springs, couldn’t see them real well, but find a way to remove the springs and see that the tensioners have full movement with no binding in their full designed range of movement if they do move full range belts off I’d check the actual springs themselves for having lost their original strength. If all is good and you may not have a way to test the springs, you may need additional tensioners on the coast side of the belts for when the drive force is removed suddenly, like shutting down the PTO Also if no tensioners can be added to that long run of belts with no support, you may want to think about idler pulleys if you can set it up. Also does the PTO system have a auto brake of some sort. Try a older tractor with PTO and see if this repeats before you try the other above things I mentioned. Not a farmer but worked fleet mechanical for years and we had to deal with a lot of modified aftermarket junk that did strange things when adapted to trucks. My condolences for your loss of such a sweet smart husband and please holler if you have any questions. Love your channel and will help any way I can Pookieville@mail.com
Maybe a good tip, see if you can show Wesley Pandy from Onelonelyfarmer this video. I think he can immediately tell you what is wrong.He is busy ,but I’m sure if he sees the video he can tell the problem
Nothing worse than having problems when you can’t figure out the cause. Great work though, I love seeing you 2 beautiful women working on the farm. I think more women should get into it!
What you do is delete the spring tension style idler puller system and replace with a threaded rod and double nut. That way it holds a constant gentle pressure. Not a jerky spring tensioner bouncing all over the place ripping belts off every 20min. If that makes any sense. I had the same problem on a mower of mine.
Glad to see you getting the help, when I saw the cutter I just think "Nothing run like a deere" on John deere mo-co mowers they use PTO shafts instead of belts. Maybe look into leasing one for the year.
Don't tension the belts too much, let them be firm. It looks like they have been overtighten, since to my eyes from what I can see everything is in order, no loose pulleys, no gaps, and you fixed the clutch. When you tight too much you will burn them. Good to se JD in time of need and not the "Norower"! The best of luck to you all.
North Texas Hay, Check the end play and side play on the cutter shafts are they in spec.? Check the spring tension on the idler rollers.? In the slow motion video the tension idler rollers appear to not be holding a good heavy. tension against the belts to hold the belts in place especially on the pull side. You can see them flop around with out enough idlet tension during deceleration of PTO during shut off. Springs will tend to loss there strength over time if held in tension over a long time again just some thoughs observations Take care be careful around all running equipment. P.S. The Boots Look Great girl. Richard
I was going to say it's the overrunning clutch but I see y'all have already figured that out. On my NH mower you can shut the pto off even at full speed and it will just gradually slow down own it's own and makes an audible ticking sound.
I feel your pain......, there’s nothing more irritating than be ready to go like no tomorrow than been plagued with machinery break downs. My swathed has just seen too many acres so I finally picked up a new Vermeer TM 1410 mower. Guess it comes on Tuesday........, watch it rain for a month straight....., LOL
Hmmm.. on the tractor it shouldn't snap like that when you hit the yellow button, it should free wheel, we've had the T6050, a T6.145 and a T6.180 and yeah i'm sure they dont stop that abrupt. and yeah we have a disc header on our swather and it's a game changer. love that the Diesel Princess came to help the Baler Queen.
I am so sorry to hear about Scott, I will keep him and your family in all my prayers. After watching this video, I am wondering if the shafts have grease fittings because the pulleys are slowing down way too fast causing the belts to flop around. Also, you might want to check the idler pulley spring for tension. I have had the same problem on my MMM on my tractor, the belt tensioner spring had lost its tension and the belt jumped off.
You can get shop manuals that will give you troubleshooting steps on every piece of equipment you got and parts breakdown step-by-step it’s amazing what’s available online now and from the manufacturers but invest in shop manuals not owner manuals
I agree with you Jason There should be something on a belt that is that long to keep enough tension on the belt no matter what I went back and looked closely and didnt see anything that was doing that ????? Could it be that simple the spring has broken and jumped off
If, with the PTO shaft DISCONNECTED from the Tractor, you can NOT turn the Shaft EASILY in the reverse direction from normal, Your Problem IS the Over-running Clutch.
UPDATE: A new overrunning clutch will be ordered. Y’all are the BEST!!!!! Thank you. ~ The Freeman Family
That's not a problem all farming people try and help each other out never think that you carnt ask for help everyone needs it. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes. Good luck. From Andy in UK
Excellent ! You might want to replace the idler pulley springs while you're at it ?
I would also add an extra idler pulley on the long side, but that's me. I hope everything works out for you, we all hate seeing you have these issues.
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@@robertramsey1634, Where can she get it ?
agree with august, it looks like theres not enough tension on idler pulleys, hope you get sorted soon
Happy to see you reach out for help and all those that are stepping up to help you. That is what the farm community does! Wish you all the best.
David Chapin Thank you. The farming community has some pretty amazing people.
I know that ypu and your family suffered a tragic loss in March, but you seem to be a very strong women and you have a good team with you sons and daughter in law helping you and you are not like a lot of men , me included who refuse to ask for help when they get in over their head because they are a man.I admire for reaching out for help. I hope that you and your family continue to have good success with your farm enterprise. That big green cutter is a sweet looking machine.
That shows how much people respect you, your family and Scott. His memory.
Amazing how people will step up to the plate to help out, hope you get up and running again .
Richard Leigh We got ‘ER done. Another video is coming. I took a few days to fly out and visit my grandson.
There are a lot good people in Texas and the USA! You all are not alone! Great video! Thanks for sharing❗❗❗ 🙂🙂🙂 👍👍👍
My dose of inspiration. Love seeing your family all pitch in. Can't imagine how difficult this must be. Asking for help is hard to do but I'm sure you'll find that most people feel blessed to be able to assist. You always receive more than you give. Blessings on you and yours.
With all due respect!!!! Absolutely love the boots. Flip flops are for beach yuppies!!! Nothing like a woman that’s easy on the eyes getting her hands dirty!!! Hope you got the kinks out of the mower!! I had one of those days last week!!! Had a 4 day window with no rain to get 1st round of hay cut!!! Clutches burn up on mower, Tedder u-joint goes out, old broke rake tooth flattens baler tractor tire, and my daughters car broke down. Was starting to get really pissed and then said owell and started laughing and shaking my head. “Tough times don’t last tough people do tho” Rite!!?? Good luck family!
Aaron V I love the quote. So true! Sorry to hear about your troubles, but at least I know we aren’t alone with breakdowns. I hope you got it all sorted out quickly.
Farmers have always been willing to help out fellow farmers when in desperate need. Awesome how much help you are receiving. Hope you get the cutter fixed soon. Good luck.
You all are doing amazing job glad your friends are leaning a big hand helping out where you need it the gal mowing wasn't messing around laying it down never underestimate the power of a woman. Keep up the great videos
So happy for you and I so enjoy your videos keep them coming when you have time thank you and thanks to the man and the company and young lady operator for helping this family.
The best farming videos of them all!!!
I’m so glad to hear all the good things that is happening for y’all. After all the problems etc. Thank God for good people who will help and do whatever needs doing. We’re praying for y’all up here in Oklahoma. Y’all are doing awesome. Thanks for the video. 👍👍👍❤️
Don Morgan Thank you so much. And yes, there are still great people out there.
Great to see the Ag Sector remains so supportive of itself! Many wonderful people who simply find a way to reach out and be of assistance. The ole wind rower trick seems to work well for ya'll down that away too. The best of hay season is yet to arrive :) -Bob...
Wran Ther Thank you, Bob. We are very blessed.
So happy you've had plenty of help Kim, it's hard enough to deal with what you've had to, but having equipment issues is a lot, God bless you all,and everyone that's pitched in and helped
Am glad you found out the problem ,love your videos bless you all thank you for making them video's helps other people to over come same problems 😁😁👍👍
Oh Kim that is AMAZING that you were able to find help! What an awesome cutter that gal was using! That kind is a lot less painful for the neck! You guys are doing fantastic!
Jennifer Robinson Thanks, Jennifer.
Wish we could see more of you! Doing an amazing job 👍🏼
Hope yall get everything fixed ,the JohnDeere cutter is awesome hats off to all the people that are helping
Jason Koehn We are so appreciative.
Thats the farming community. Always people willing to lend a helping hand. Glad you got it mowed now just to get it in a barn.
SLC Farms It’s all in the barn, and I’m in Florida visiting my grandson. I’m a happy lady.
Girl you are such a fine looking Mama! Love those boots too!
Great video...
Hopefully the new parts will finally correct the problems thats been ailing your cutter for a long time...
Kudos going out to EVERYBODY involved in working on the cutter problem plus everybody who helped put The Diesel Princess on your farm cutting down your Hay crop...
Great People coming together to help friends out in need....
That's what its ALL ABOUT...Good People...
Y'all have a Great Sunday
And thanx for sharing...
Andy Mouser Thank you. I’m amazed each day by the support and encouragement. Truly!
You have a great following of people God bless you
I am so glad you are getting so much help for cutting great people out there !!!!! Your one beautiful lady in side and out 😀😀😀wishing u guy's better luck !!!!
It was great that those folks helped ya'll and all out.
May God bless all those willing to help others in there time of need......spread the LOVE.
I'm so happy,you are getting the help you need. There are some very good people out there,that helps those in need of some help. The Lord is good. I'm praying for you guys.
Very glad you were able to ascertain the problem, funny story the last conversation I had with Scott was his idea to buy a John Deere windrower haha. I bet he was sitting up in heaven with a big smile watching that girl mow with one !!! As always best wish to your whole family from all of us at W A Ranch
TheEric1066 He wanted that piece of equipment in the worst way! I knew he was smiling.
Great endorsement for Deere. That machine was really nice. Love the farming community. I'm smiling. :)
You’ve got some really good people in your life Kim! How blessed you are sister!
Chuck
Fensterfarm Greenhouse Yes I do!!! Thank you.
there are still alot of good people in this world and glad they were able to help you out that's awesome;;;;;;;;
Great to see people come out of the woodwork to lend a helping hand when it is needed
Sorry to hear about all your troubles. Don't lose faith or hope. There's a lot of us out here pulling for you guys, we know you can get through it. And as others have said the AG community has a lot of people willing to help, my thanks to them.
Fred Ellis Thanks, Fred. We are very grateful for all of you.
The agriculture community is amazing, great job guys. I have no doubt you guys are going to get the belt situation figured out, and I'm digging the boots.
Using the camera to view the belt in slow motion really gave a good look at what it was doing. I have a John Deere mower and always engage the mower at a low throttle setting then bring it up to operating RPM.
rain coast agreed! I do the same with every piece of equipment that runs off the pto. No need to jerk the hell out of everything.
rain coast I absolutely agree with you.
Wow that's super awesome folks are still down to earth ones in need of help people bring what's needed to get r done my hats off to ya you go girl
James Northern Thank you so much.
When you smile, your heart light really shines through : )
Darryl 603 Thank you, Darryl. Someone else said that I looked tired. Well... maybe just a little bit. 😬
Awesome you all are getting the support you need, to keep moving forward, hope you get all that hay in the barn dry.
Keeps raining here in WI only got 5 acres done so far this year😕
good looking family, farm and of course Momma Bear is gorgeous with those new work boots ! :)
The cutting assembly has massive amounts of inertia and all the idlers and springs are designed to maintain belt alignment and traction in the direction of applied load while cutting.
An overrunning clutch is designed to rotate and apply force in the load direction and slip freely in the opposite direction. This allows the normal pulleys and idlers to keep the belts tracking properly because the inertia of the cutters would create a reverse load on the belts if the pto stops rotating faster than the cutters.
God bless you guys and God bless the wonderful folks who are trying their best to help you.
Good job. Thanks for the video I really enjoy watching North Texas Hay. Keep up the good work.
Hi Kim !!! What you have is definitely an overrun clutch problem . I have run New Holland hay equipment for decades and have seen this before. If you disconnect your PTO shaft and can't spin it freely in the reverse while hearing that click click click then look no further dear problem solved. Best of luck to y'all and I love watching you guys
Jeffrey Rouse Got it. Thank you, Jeffrey!!
your a great Lady God bless you and your family love your videos and your channel look forward to watching more
For me it looks like one of the Poelies is turning heavy,so maybe a broken bearing.
It’s stops to fast and it starts to heavy.
Good that people are helping you all.
I was thinking the same thing. The bearing probably got over worked in that heavy hay and may not have been lubed.
I agree, looks like the far pulley on the far side of the video seems to bind just before the belt is thrown
Good to see you fighting the good fight. Girl power!
So sorry for ur loss y'all are in my progressive the videos I'm a farmer in California we farm grapes and almonds used to farm alfalfa and cotton my heart is farming been in around it my whole life we lost my Grandpa in March he 104 years old take care be blessed
Allen Shuey Thank you, Allen. So sorry to hear about your grandpa. Sending our love and prayers.
Glad to see you have all under control!!!!
Good to see you!! I hope you and your family are doing well!! I miss you.
Awesome you got some help when you needed it !
Glad to see people coming through in times of need, to me that’s what the real definition of family is:)
2009deerejohn Yes, it is. Thanks.
Glad you guys figured out the problem. We had the exact same problem a few years ago on our newholland discbine with the override clutch. It was very mystifying and frustrating at first. The newer discbines made after 2013 don't have that set up anymore. Good luck and ur hope haying season goes good.
Organic Dairyman Good to know. Thanks.
That’s so awesome for y’all what a great farming community glad things are looking up
Dan Finley We have been so blessed. There are still good people out there.
WOW !!!. . . What a great shot of the failure there. I'm not expecting anyone agreeing with me but to me it looks like a design flaw of the manufacturers pulley set up, especially the way the belt flap there. Your doing great guys, keep on going 👍.
I agree 100% but there is something definitely wrong with the PTO clutch. The mower should free wheel independently of the PTO shaft.
Agree there. 👍
Hi Kim , from my 40 years experience of operating machines and repairs a new clutch is the way to go , may i suggest that over time the springs on the tension pulleys also weaken so it would be good to renew them as well while doing the repairs ,keep up the great work things will get easier best of luck with the hay making for the season from Ireland.
Sean Whyte Thank you.
Way To Go NTH!!! Very inspirational drive to succeed!!! Love the boots Kim!!! ;-)
Mark B. Thanks, Mark.
So happy you got some help! It appears you are getting to the bottom of your belt problem by eliminating one thing at a time. I have a feeling once you get it figured out you will wonder how you didn't see it in the beginning. But that is how it goes with equipment and of course it doesn't break if you don't use it. All the best and God speed to all of you.
You folks are doin an awesome job! Scott would be proud. Hat tip to Cara. Doin a great job jumpin in with both feet. Great videos!
1969mackenzie Yes. Cara is a trooper! Thanks.
Great video. Glad people are willing to help. Their are still allot of good people out there. God bless.
Dan Crafton I agree wholeheartedly.
Good People Helping Good People. America is Great............Always Was.
Looking back in the GOOD days gone by( Scott) In September 2017 he ran over and cut a irrigation hose & coupler, could this have started this damize ? Bearing/clutch...it does appear you will win this battle , But as SCOTT would say ...Why is that? what's causing this? I missed this man's wisdom, you all have it , what a great teacher he was/is !
John We miss him every moment of everyday. Thank you.
Even though the young gentleman said the override appeared to be working properly and the dogs were not frozen, what I'm seeing in your video appears that it is not. As I'm sure you know, the override is designed to let the machine wind down at it's own pace, separate than from the tractor PTO when it is disengaged. It's obvious the machine is still "coupled" and the tractor is trying to stop it. This also puts strain and extra wear and tear on the PTO clutch in the tractor. I'd focus back on that override assembly. I enjoy your videos and wish you a prosperous hay season!
That was my thought as well. When you shut off the power to the machine, nothing like what we are seeing should happen. Hate to stick my nose in, as our New Holland Discbine is only 11 ft, but the principle is the same.
We u are right the blue smoke is the give away!!
Great to see the community helping out! That was a nice looking swather. Hope the overrun clutch does the trick, but I'd be looking for tensioner springs too like others have mentioned. Even discounting the pto not overrunning the way it should there still was a bit too much play in the belts. Hopefully the clutch does the trick for you!
I know everyone tries too save money on repairs but time is money also. Get a mechanic that works on the brand of equipment you have is a plus. Take it from a retired farmer of 44 Yrs.Good luck and God Bless You and You’re Family😎
Elvin Berndt I’m not trying to save money. I got someone that I trust. Thanks. I know what you’re sayin’.
Keep working with it i am sure you all working together will get it figured out as to what's wrong. I have a belt driven attachment on my tractor and it's no where as big as your cutter but had issues with belt jumping off if it was not slow down to idle before cutting off pto. Hope this though helps. Have a great day and be safe
Another great vid! Farming is allways a learning process! Hang in there!
Awesome looking hay crop
Gearbox or clutch is the main thing that comes to mind. Also, it looks like you have a lot of belt vibration when running at higher rpm's. I would install another idler pulley on the the opposite side side of the 2 belts that already have an idler pulley. It will take the most of that vibration out of that side of the belt and help guide it to the pulley grooves. But yeah, you got bigger problems causing the belt to load up and jump off their pulleys. Gearbox, clutch, or a bearing would be my guess. Good Luck, Dave! :-)
Maybe. bent shaft. Take off all belts and hand spin everything. Anything that turns hard start looking, closely.
Thats what it is about! Neighbor helping neighbor!
Kim and family the over running clutch is the problem. When you shut down the P.T.O. the tractor is fitted with P.T.O. brake, which automatically is applied, all tractors are fitted with the P.T.O. brake.
Darryl Digby-Smith Thank you. Much appreciated.
There are some good comments in here. Hopefully you get it fixed up and back in the field.
My family has a couple of older discbines. It appears your PTO shaft is not disengaging from the mowers driven parts when you shut the PTO off in the tractor. As you mentioned, at least on our older discbines, there is a noticeable click-click-click sound, similar to the sound a ratchet makes when you shut the PTO off and it disengages from the mowers driven load. This allows the mower to slow down at it's own pace rather than directly following the PTO shaft speed. I get the impression your ratcheting mechanism is bound up or siezed and the mowers driven load is directly coupled to the tractors PTO without anyway for the mower to de-couple from the PTO shaft and spin at a different speed. The fact it's throwing belts shows the driven load is overrunning the PTO shaft speed since the belts, tensioner, etc are now dealing force coming at them a different direction. They are designed for the PTO to drive the mower, not the mower driving the PTO. The rotational forces are being sent the opposite direction than they were designed and now it's throwing belts.
The slip clutch on this mower and most farm equipment, is basically a failsafe if you were to run into something that would otherwise bind or stall out the mower or equipment, the slip clutch should allow the PTO to spin but allow the mower to stop without breaking all kinds of parts. Shear bolts are another method to prevent equipment damage.
I was not able to locate a manual for your discbine online to verify, but I would look over your manual and your machine and see if you can locate the ratcheting mechanism.
One thing I do so I have cold water most of the hot days is take 1 gallon plastic milk jugs, fill with water and freeze the jugs of water. This way everyone has a cool jug of water during the day to stay hydrated.
WE used to wrap our gallon jugs in burlap, and soak them down. Used evaporation for cooling. Worked perfect in those super hot days in the fields of Montana.
Man you alls hay looks fantastic so I guess it was all that rain we had. Bermuda make good hay for sure. I figured out what you need to do sell that cutter and get one like that Diesel Princess is using. : )
You'll overcome the problem, just never, NEVER give up!
arkansas13 No giving up going on here. Thanks.
sorry to hear about your trouble. might be time to get new cutter without belts. good luck
I have some suggestions on a fix.
If this wasn’t happening when unit was brand new but happens now with the belts, if the tensioner have external springs, couldn’t see them real well, but find a way to remove the springs and see that the tensioners have full movement with no binding in their full designed range of movement if they do move full range belts off I’d check the actual springs themselves for having lost their original strength.
If all is good and you may not have a way to test the springs, you may need additional tensioners on the coast side of the belts for when the drive force is removed suddenly, like shutting down the PTO
Also if no tensioners can be added to that long run of belts with no support, you may want to think about idler pulleys if you can set it up.
Also does the PTO system have a auto brake of some sort.
Try a older tractor with PTO and see if this repeats before you try the other above things I mentioned.
Not a farmer but worked fleet mechanical for years and we had to deal with a lot of modified aftermarket junk that did strange things when adapted to trucks.
My condolences for your loss of such a sweet smart husband and please holler if you have any questions.
Love your channel and will help any way I can
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You have got to have some good luck.hope things go better for you.wish you good luck. Thanks
It's great to see a beautiful woman hard at work i watch all your videos your amazing keep doing what you do your the best..
Looking good as always
Maybe a good tip, see if you can show Wesley Pandy from Onelonelyfarmer this video.
I think he can immediately tell you what is wrong.He is busy ,but I’m sure if he sees the video he can tell the problem
Nothing worse than having problems when you can’t figure out the cause. Great work though, I love seeing you 2 beautiful women working on the farm. I think more women should get into it!
What you do is delete the spring tension style idler puller system and replace with a threaded rod and double nut. That way it holds a constant gentle pressure. Not a jerky spring tensioner bouncing all over the place ripping belts off every 20min. If that makes any sense. I had the same problem on a mower of mine.
Sounds like a great idea but I also think their PTO clutch is shot.
Glad you’re putting more videos out. 🤙🤙
Keep up the great work, im sure its frustrating but y'all are doing great.
hello6488 Thank you.
Glad to see you getting the help, when I saw the cutter I just think "Nothing run like a deere" on John deere mo-co mowers they use PTO shafts instead of belts. Maybe look into leasing one for the year.
Harry Neese That would be awesome to have one of those beauties for the season.
Don't tension the belts too much, let them be firm. It looks like they have been overtighten, since to my eyes from what I can see everything is in order, no loose pulleys, no gaps, and you fixed the clutch. When you tight too much you will burn them. Good to se JD in time of need and not the "Norower"! The best of luck to you all.
North Texas Hay,
Check the end play and side play on the cutter shafts are they in spec.? Check the spring tension on the idler rollers.? In the slow motion video the tension idler rollers appear to not be holding a good heavy. tension against the belts to hold the belts in place especially on the pull side. You can see them flop around with out enough idlet tension during deceleration of PTO during shut off. Springs will tend to loss there strength over time if held in tension over a long time again just some thoughs observations Take care be careful around all running equipment.
P.S. The Boots Look Great girl.
Richard
RICHARD VERNICK Thanks for the tip. He’s coming back soon. I’ll make sure to mention it.
Good video again don’t give up y’all doing good job that’s the way to do it keep going to you figure it out how to fix it be safe on a farm
Glenn Hunter We aren’t giving up. Thanks.
#newholland come help out these folks to operate your equipment and review maintenance items and run some problem free weeks.
Michael Evans Thanks for the sentiment. 😊
I have to say pretty lady you guys do some awesome videos and I'll bet you if Scott was still with us he would have one of those Mammer Jammer!
I was going to say it's the overrunning clutch but I see y'all have already figured that out. On my NH mower you can shut the pto off even at full speed and it will just gradually slow down own it's own and makes an audible ticking sound.
DLH Farms Yep. That’s what we learned. Thanks.
I feel your pain......, there’s nothing more irritating than be ready to go like no tomorrow than been plagued with machinery break downs. My swathed has just seen too many acres so I finally picked up a new Vermeer TM 1410 mower. Guess it comes on Tuesday........, watch it rain for a month straight....., LOL
Who Cares? Did you get it yet? How’s the forecast look? 😊
Yeah guys you need it tighter spring on your tensioner to keep that flop out of the belt
How’s everything going now ? Get things straightened e? Hope all is well. From a wva farmer we love you all. 👍🏻👍🏻
Hmmm.. on the tractor it shouldn't snap like that when you hit the yellow button, it should free wheel, we've had the T6050, a T6.145 and a T6.180 and yeah i'm sure they dont stop that abrupt. and yeah we have a disc header on our swather and it's a game changer. love that the Diesel Princess came to help the Baler Queen.
I am so sorry to hear about Scott, I will keep him and your family in all my prayers. After watching this video, I am wondering if the shafts have grease fittings because the pulleys are slowing down way too fast causing the belts to flop around. Also, you might want to check the idler pulley spring for tension. I have had the same problem on my MMM on my tractor, the belt tensioner spring had lost its tension and the belt jumped off.
John Lease Thank you. All tips are welcomed. He’s coming back soon. I’ll make sure to mention it.
You can get shop manuals that will give you troubleshooting steps on every piece of equipment you got and parts breakdown step-by-step it’s amazing what’s available online now and from the manufacturers but invest in shop manuals not owner manuals
would it be a bearing ? that belt goes crazy as if no tensioner is on, maybe a wobbling shaft? nice to see help when asked
Is there a tension spring for that belt system my thought is there’s not enough tension in the spring if there’s a spring just my two cents.
I agree with you Jason There should be something on a belt that is that long to keep enough tension on the belt no matter what I went back and looked closely and didnt see anything that was doing that ????? Could it be that simple the spring has broken and jumped off
If, with the PTO shaft DISCONNECTED from the Tractor, you can NOT turn the Shaft EASILY in the reverse direction from normal, Your Problem IS the Over-running Clutch.