As a tomiki practioner I know I'm a rarity because I spar and even compete. The other aikido guys would be just as effective as the tomiki style if they just did what we did. I've pulled off aikido techniques in judo, bjj and even muay thai. But that's because I've sparred against people in my aikido class. If I didn't spar I would be less effective against people. About crosstraining. My Aikido teacher forced me to learn judo. Well not forced, he strongly encouraged me though.
I’m a black belt in aikikai aikido and also started practicing Tomiki aikido to learn to use techniques to attack instead of just defending and flowing like in aikikai. I’m also a black belt in judo, which is the martial art I leaned for the most time and started gojuryu karate over year ago. My impressions about Tomiki aikido is that the off balance requires since strength like in judo but doesn’t use the flow like in other aikido styles, specially aikikai. I probably have more chances of using my aikido because judo is 100% offensive and I might as done aikido moves if necessary.
@@gengotaku Are you saying that Tomiki Aikido doesn't use circular movements like the Aikikiai? I don't understand your comment about kuzushi. What do you mean by your last comment? I'm really sorry I don't understand you. I'm really trying to understand.
When people are resisting arrest, they usually only want to avoid being grabbed and are not fighting hard or attempting to strike. So aikido can be good for LEO's to know.
Thanks for taking a small look at just a segment of my work. I'm just a crappy Brown Belt in Aikido :) but maybe I am a dedicated Martial Artist w 4 Black Belts thought Fought Pro & work Security. I Don't go to Cali anymore. The Audio had a segment I had to take out.
Dude, brown belt in aikido or not you're significantly better than anyone else I've ever seen. The experience in all the other martial arts and fighting came through! Where are you located? Maybe at some point I'll come to you.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Good luck with your channel and let me know once you have looked at some of my other stuff re Karate, Systema, 52 etc though I am known most as a Catch Wrestler I would say
Aikido has high weapons integration, or maybe its a weapon system with open hand integration. Don't just watch wrestling vids out of gyms and dojos, and go watch video of a bunch of real life stabbings and clubbings. You will find that most are easily categorized as the standard aikido attacks (shomenuchi, munetsuki, yokomenuchi) and many (especially from the rear) involve wrist and arm grabs. The same arm grabs that have people thinking 'nobody would grab like that', unless they are trying to disarm (you're armed?), stab, or club you of course. Weapons are a foundation of the art. The protocol seems to be 1. Talk your way out of it 2. Use aiki to evade (not dominate) and escape at deficit 3. establish harmony with your weapon.
I did Aikido for 17 years. It's a great art against grabs and that is what I used it for. Any grab they are good at. However, I would not use it against a boxer. You have to be extremely fast with your feet to pull it off against a good striker.
Its very useful to use aikido in situation where needs to be controlled and sustained, without escalation and causing extra harm. Just sufficient to make an arrest.
Although in an aikido dojo we are taught the various techniques, they are there to apply aikido, they are not aikido itself. O'Sensei said that if aikido is understood any move becomes aikido. It is an understanding that is expressed through techniques. A practitioner should not limit themselves to aikido techniques alone. A kick to the leg, grabbing hair to control an attacker, any attack can be applied through aikido. It is it not bound by its techniques. Mostly, what O'Sensei meant is not taught because aikido is rarely experienced in the way he experienced it. So we are left to question how techniques work but this is only the face of aikido and not aikido itself.
BJJ does not encourage small joint manipulation I have used it numerous times during grappling sessions, it always works, prepare yourself for the whining and excuses afterwards though.
Thanks for the video looking at the applications of aikido instead of trying to discredit it. I’m a black belt in aikido (aikikai)and judo in addition to yellow belt in gojuryu karate and knows for sure all martial arts have their application and limitations. No one can be a perfect striker and grappler so I think I can block using karate till I can close the distance to use judo or aikido, even though I never needed to use any martial art to defend myself because I live in Japan and don’t look for trouble just as it was when I was in my home country.
I live in Japan too even though I’m moving back to America at the end of the month. My biggest fear is I might have lost my awareness because Japan is so freaking safe I never worry about anything!
I don’t know if I agree with this honestly. I know some styles that I would say definitely don’t, or should I say… are significantly less functional than other styles claiming to do the same thing
It depends what they are used for. There are many styles that are highly specialized to be the best in some situations and not so good in all others. Also, not all "styles" are suitable for free sparring. @@StrykeTeamOfficial
Hi! As a former aikido practitioner as well as karate and kenpo guy, I'm with you in more ways than one. However, I would emphasize that aikido training as is includes lots of defences against grabs, and some of this stuff actually translates 1:1 to a self-defence situation (as I can tell you based on my personal experience). Also, consider that if you are used to applying your aikido moves against more dynamic, even if somewhat unrealistic attacks, using them on a more static aggressor is going to be a piece of cake. 🍰😉
martial arts continually gets watered down due to parts being lost when passed down hence why the karate naming structure is the way it is. Jiu jitsi was everything then judo became the new everything while jiu jitsu turned into grappling. Then judo became simplified into throwing. Aikido is the martial art of flow. It's the waza which can only be learned through action or doing. In a way it's simply the art of refining your sense of touch. But just as one can train for football opposed to baseball, it only applies broadly to how you trained it. In other words if you only ever developed your waza for grappling you wouldn't know how to apply it to wrestling, but it would give you a good idea. the same way a professional mover is known to be a good lifter and probably wrestler, they understand the principles. Aikido requires developed principles to be refined. Because it is the skill of the sense of touch, it's an art of delicacy or balance hence the hard soft. It takes time to develop those fundamentals needed first though, hence like he said it being a secondary martial art in a way or needing a background first. Last way i'll put it, its the art of finding the path of least resistance, primarily through tactile response.
Ueshiba's students masters or well experienced in jujutsu (grappling + striking + weapons; Bujutsu); some specifically were experienced or masters of Aiki-jujutsu (like Ueshiba himself) The problem isn't Aikido (the techniques) it's the kumbayah lovey dovey never harm a soul approach to expressing those techniques... it is foolish enough for an expert to not try to neutralize any attacker they face but it's EXTREMELY dangerous to teach that to newcomer greenhorns who think love will literally conquer all... even that guy trying to smash their face in with a bar stool 🤦♂️
@boom-botz444 then he grabbed one of them golf clubs and went Casey Jones on you. He then kissed the club and said, "I'll never call golf a dull game again." And walked away with a teenage boy and a giant humanoid 🐀
Aikido was developed as a streamlined version of Daito Ryu for police at The Imperial Japanese Army Nakano School (陸軍中野学校, Rikugun Nakano Gakkō); it was also taught at the Naval Staff College, the Army University, the Military Police School, the Toyama School, & in garrison at Manchuria & Mongolia. Morihei Uesiba was a sergeant drill instructor & combatives instructor for the Japanese Army before retiring to teach martial arts, farm, & be a Shinto Priest of the Omoto Kyo. It was not developed as a self defense method but more for arresting tactics. It was after WW2 that the philosophy of harmony became the emphasis. I work in hospital security and use Aikido as my primary control tactics. The Aikido atemi are optimized for use with a truncheon, a slapjack, tonfa, jitte or jutte (十手, "ten hands"), sai, or baton as would be used by a police officer or security guard from that region & era. When this is understood then it's curriculum makes much more sense. Take a truncheon then hit someone in their forehead with a shomenuchi (front face strike) or throat with a shomenate (front face thrust/attack), temple or jugular with a yokomenuchi (side face strike), munetsuki (chest, solar plexus thrust), do uchi (torso, ribs strike), do tsuki (torso ribs thrust), & koteuchi (wrist, forearm strike). All of these strikes & thrust are traditionally trained in the sport called Tankendo, which Tanto Randori of Tomiki Ryu Shodokan Aikido is a variant of it developed post WW2.
It will be a little while. Currently moving back to America from japan. My next few videos are already 90% edited and finished so it’s easier to pump out when I’m this busy
Around minute 11:00, yes that is true. As unlike today in modern time facebook hate of this and that and stupid youtube harassing schemes: the martial artists at that time where open minded. Funakoshi, Kano, Ueshiba their all close colleagues, not friends but sharks in the same waters. Kano explicitly told his top students to learn under Ueshiba. Same with Funakoshi. As I'm mostly an Aikidoka, I do not know which Aikido students got sent in return to the other masters. You could usually not simply enter another Dojo to learn another art without a letter of recommendation of your teacher. On the other hand you simplify to much, obviously Ueshiba had Aikido students who never did any other art. No idea what your Karate style is, but snatching a fist out of thin air is not difficult. It is just not done the way you see it in "demonstrations". As demonstrations are what the name implies: a demonstration, broken down into simple steps an unqualified audience can follow.
The only part of this I disagree with is the last one. I’m following you on the first half. But I’ve done uechi ryu for over 10 years and I train Shorin as well. I also compete in kickboxing and Muay Thai and I’ve never met anyone who could consistently snatch a wrist mid punch and grab it firmly. Maybe a few times I’d it’s a sloppy push but never a real strike
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Because he is doing it wrong. You do not snatch the fist, unless you want to show off, you block the elbow, and then simply "plug" the wrist. Simple. And if you actually did Ueshi Ryu and Shorin Ruy instead of just using it for bragging: you had learned how to to that in the first year. The standard Aikido techniques like Kote Gaeshi are standard grading requirement in both Ueshi Ryu and Shorin Ryu around 9th Kyu ... Sorry. You sound like a complete fraud.
@@angeloschneider4272 lol I have literally been training with the Uechi family for the last year and a half after having trained under a 10th Dan who was the 41st teacher license ever given in the system by Kanei Uechi himself. I’ve been training for over 10 years and I assure you I know how the grab works and I land it more often than most 5th dans I know in actual sparring. Some of those guys also do aikido… none can throw me with it. They have tried. 😂 I would be more insulted by this if I didn’t actually know where I stand in comparison to the rest of the uechi community when it comes to actually using it at full speed in combat. Trust me… I do ok 😂 Edit: holllldddd up. Unless I accidentally commented on the wrong post, which I checked and don’t think I did, didn’t you insult me and claim I was a fraud??? The comment is gone. Did you go through my TH-cam or find my Instagram and find out I’m not; then try to delete it before I saw it. Because to late… Unless it really wasn’t you and I’ll apologize but I’m pretty sure it was you 😂.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Seriously, does not matter with who you trained. I can proudly announce the truth: I trained with Ueshiba Kisshomaru, Saotome Mitsugi, Yamada Yoshimitsu ... should I continue? Should I continue? The people I trained with have no implication about my qualities as martial artist. Completely irrelevant. Same for your quality. If no one threw you, then he probably did not want? If I play with people like you, I lose the grip intentionally when you lose balance. Why would I throw a guy where I have fear/regret he breaks something in his body? No, I did not delete a post. I did not call you a fraud. ROKKAS is a fraud. And you give him a platform. Sadge. Regarding sparring. Sure you would win. You are younger and faster ... But if you want to see a technique: there is no way in heaven, hell or earth you can resist it. Because: you do not even know what I'm doing. Get a clue mate: you have no clue about what you are talking.
I practice Kung Fu and part of it iis Striking, Wrestling and Qin Na similar to Aikido. I often deal with shoplifters and people causing trouble in the store I work at and sometimes get into physical altercations. I have had to hold back my striking because this isnt combat sports and I dont want to risk being seen as the aggressor so I find Aikido type techniques and wrestling more helpful in that type of situation. Ill strike enough to put someone on the defense and overwhelm their defenses but not looking to hurt or knock someone out.
You said you do uechi ryu karate? I used to train under sensei James Weseluski for about 10 years ( I hope I spelled his last name right 😅) one of the things I discovered about it when you do your circle block don't grab the arm since it won't be there grab his gi i.e his clothes to control him. Much like doing gi jujitsu or judo use the grips on clothing. Idk about you but we wear coats in new England. osu 🥋
@@StrykeTeamOfficial awesome that you have this channel tho whenever I told them about the style I did there was visible question marks. Good to see someone trying to shed light on this style. if you look into it it has a lot of similarities with wing chun to where I ended up going after.
I ended up switching when I joined the army and ended up training in us army combatives. Then to some other styles and develop something thats a more individualized system for me. And then when I came home COVID happened and my sensei retired and closed the school.
There are many reasons for training a martial art. Some of them are the practicality, others to become a great sportsman fighter. And there are those who train for longevity. All those reasons are valid reasons for good people. What I don’t understand is why do some opinionated people think that their reason is superior.
Idk. Has nothing to do with this video as it’s purely talking about practicality and none of those other reasons. If you’re not doing it for this reasons then you shouldn’t get angry at the video.
I am not angry at the video, I am not angry at you or at all. What I am trying to say is, the practicality, as a whole, of practicing a martial art is individual regardless of the opinion in the main stream TH-cam media about Aikido. I respect and understand the need for practical validation of the technical aspect of any martial art. By the, all Aikido techniques are based on jujitsu disarming techniques. Basically it’s jujitsu on the physical layer. Thank you for a lovely video.
@@ron_pe There are certain things, like using realistic training methods, that are universal in all arts. There’s not a single art with a high average level of proficiency that doesn’t do this. Also, seeing as I just commented on what current practitioners were doing and highlighted it, I didn’t say anything that practitioners that are currently making it work didn’t say first. Saying someone doesn’t have the right to comment without actually trying to talk on the actual statements made is a really bad way to make a point
What a great guy this ex police officer is! did you even realize he has a rainbow flag and sign saying "black lives matter" on the wall of his gym/dojo ? ❤ And of course it's not the main point of the video but it's just always wonderfull to see when there are strong man who are also into martial arts and fighting and stuff show that it's possible at the same time, to be kind and jhave a good heart.
Wrist Locks are not Aikido. Wrist Locks are as old as people had hands, Aikido is the "flow", is the "throwing" the opponent without hurting them until they give up, Without it that's just Jujutsu, AikiJututsu, Dayto Ryu, Hapkido, Qin Na, pankration or any martial arts that had uses wrist Locks, some of them hundres of year before Aikido being created.
I tried to show that in my original video. This guy Rokkas actually used one of aikidos throws under pressure. But, he is super hated by aikido people and these two were the ones I was sent to look at. I get your point on how wrist locks are everywhere but these two learned it from aikido, specifically Dan. I was actually looking for some positive aikido videos and this is the best I could find.
but Aikido take all their techniques from Daito-ryu and difference between Aikido and Daito-ryu is in the philosophy of not to harm without it thats not Aikido thats just an plain wrist lock. Form Aikido to work as intended it needs a huge differece of power and skill like a grow man with 20 years of training agaist a skinny teen with 0 expirence. otherwise Aikido will never work in a real figth. @@StrykeTeamOfficial
@@Yoandrys23 well I mean rokkas made a move work. But I am not going to overly disagree with you because by your definition of aikido you presented I don’t have much evidence. I lean toward it not working outside of ways shown in this video for the most part
Lol! Now try this against any actual bjj person who is good with the standup. If you tried to wrist lock me standing up then you will get punched in the face.
I mean…. He’s doing it against a brown belt and if you punch him in the face during a Bjj roll you’re a jerk. And the dude landing it is a catch wrestler and mma guy plus Bjj black belt I believe.
Yes he is strong but the cop and rokkas from my other video also did it. Wrist locks also don’t need you to be stronger than your opponent especially if you’re around the same strength
Well let me tell you something when you’re a cop and you grab someone by the arm or wrist Odds are the guys going to comply with you so that’s why your BS aikido would work Try not having a badge and a gun and a cop uniform and try to put on a Aikido hold someone you’re going to eat a punch
@@mgtowproperties ahhhh dude the timing on that hahahaha. Literally maybe 1-2 more minutes and it would be a retired mma fighter and catch wrestler landing it in Bjj classes.
Rokas just seems like not tough and the way he held hinself wasn't like a good aikidoka. We'd always get people on our dojo that would 'stress test us' when they came from other martial arts. Sometimes they'd do well, but mostly they'd be floored. We train in instant reactions, but definitely people need to be prepared for specific resistance etc, as.pokice guy said. I used to train police in Aikido and they regularly gave me feedback. Note restraint very different from fighting.
Rokkas does not do Aikido, never really did Aikido. He is a fraud like late Seagull. He can not even stand upright. Distance wrong, timing wrong. Not even the simplest grip like Kotegaeshi or Sankyo is even half right. No idea bout your channel. But if you give other youtubers a platform that they do not deserve, I do not find that ethical.
Rokkas was a live-in aikido uchi-deshi and an aikido instructor with a teacher's certificate. It may not be up to what you think the standard should be but he definitely qualifies as an aikido instructor to some aikido organizations and that's good enough for the point of the video. And while Segal is also not my favorite martial artist he is also a 7th dan in aikido and the highest ranking foreigner at one point and owned a dojo in japan. He also made his own style that is widely practiced so he would still be worthy as a representation even if it was to critique what I don't like about it. I often find it interesting how when anyone leaves or critiques the system they suddenly become bad. Rokkas was a 3rd dan and when I see old videos of his aikido I can't see much of a difference compared to everyone else doing aikido.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Lolz, he never had a teacher. He learned it from books. Made a Dojo and visited an American teacher, who had no credibility what so ever, in seminars in Switzerland. No idea, are you an complete idiot? Uchi Dechi means: living in a Dojo. In who's Dojo would that have been, lol? From where should he get a teacher certificate, except from his fraud teacher? The last thing I saw about him, he was a self declared 3rd degree black belt. And could not even do blue belt technique correctly. Then there popped a youtube video up, where snippets of his "not self declared" 3rd degree black belt examination where shown. He did an DCMA complaint to get those videos taken down. He did his "third degree" examination with the "American fake teacher" under esoteric music. Seriously? And you think that is Aikido? Rokkas is a fraud, just like Seagull.
It’s not just Rokas. I’ve had a couple different aikido guys test their stuff on me. They can land it when I stand still but I’ve never had anyone land it when I resist
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Yeah and I had a couple of different BJ guys who could not do anything against me. Could it be - by chance or by logic - that the Aikido guys you met simply were not very good, or simply were overwhelmed by a FIGHTER?
@@angeloschneider4272 not really. Simply because it is not just me. I have met many aikido guys… over a dozen from different places. That in itself would be worrying but maybe it’s just my area of California. But then I talk to other people, not all fighters some just karate guys, and that can very in skill a LOT as it can suffer from similar issues. However, not a single person I know has ever experienced aikido working in any method outside of something similar to what is shown in this video if they are applying resistance. Also, since my style has grabs I’m experienced in them and how hard they are. I’ve also had trained fighters, UFC and ONE championship level try to do the grabs. I won’t say we never pull it off but damn is it hard if we aren’t pretending to be drunk and being really bad on purpose. And then you have the entirety of the martial art community where aikido is second only to chi magic when it comes to its hate. So I am pretty sure it’s not just Rokas that gives it a bad wrap, but how the art presents itself as a whole.
As a tomiki practioner I know I'm a rarity because I spar and even compete. The other aikido guys would be just as effective as the tomiki style if they just did what we did. I've pulled off aikido techniques in judo, bjj and even muay thai. But that's because I've sparred against people in my aikido class. If I didn't spar I would be less effective against people. About crosstraining. My Aikido teacher forced me to learn judo. Well not forced, he strongly encouraged me though.
I’m a black belt in aikikai aikido and also started practicing Tomiki aikido to learn to use techniques to attack instead of just defending and flowing like in aikikai. I’m also a black belt in judo, which is the martial art I leaned for the most time and started gojuryu karate over year ago. My impressions about Tomiki aikido is that the off balance requires since strength like in judo but doesn’t use the flow like in other aikido styles, specially aikikai. I probably have more chances of using my aikido because judo is 100% offensive and I might as done aikido moves if necessary.
@@gengotaku Are you saying that Tomiki Aikido doesn't use circular movements like the Aikikiai? I don't understand your comment about kuzushi. What do you mean by your last comment? I'm really sorry I don't understand you. I'm really trying to understand.
When people are resisting arrest, they usually only want to avoid being grabbed and are not fighting hard or attempting to strike. So aikido can be good for LEO's to know.
Thanks for taking a small look at just a segment of my work. I'm just a crappy Brown Belt in Aikido :) but maybe I am a dedicated Martial Artist w 4 Black Belts thought Fought Pro & work Security. I Don't go to Cali anymore. The Audio had a segment I had to take out.
Dude, brown belt in aikido or not you're significantly better than anyone else I've ever seen. The experience in all the other martial arts and fighting came through! Where are you located? Maybe at some point I'll come to you.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Good luck with your channel and let me know once you have looked at some of my other stuff re Karate, Systema, 52 etc though I am known most as a Catch Wrestler I would say
@@DanTheWolfman I’ll be taking a look. Especially karate stuff!
Dan the man
@@DanTheWolfman Nice about Systema! Americans hate Systema, no idea why. Same like with Aikido.
Aikido has high weapons integration, or maybe its a weapon system with open hand integration. Don't just watch wrestling vids out of gyms and dojos, and go watch video of a bunch of real life stabbings and clubbings. You will find that most are easily categorized as the standard aikido attacks (shomenuchi, munetsuki, yokomenuchi) and many (especially from the rear) involve wrist and arm grabs. The same arm grabs that have people thinking 'nobody would grab like that', unless they are trying to disarm (you're armed?), stab, or club you of course. Weapons are a foundation of the art. The protocol seems to be 1. Talk your way out of it 2. Use aiki to evade (not dominate) and escape at deficit 3. establish harmony with your weapon.
I did Aikido for 17 years. It's a great art against grabs and that is what I used it for. Any grab they are good at. However, I would not use it against a boxer. You have to be extremely fast with your feet to pull it off against a good striker.
this makes sense
Aikido was developed for 99% of situations where putting someone in the hospital is NOT Necessary
Its very useful to use aikido in situation where needs to be controlled and sustained, without escalation and causing extra harm. Just sufficient to make an arrest.
Agreed
This is Dan " The Wolf man" who is a well rounded fighter and can use that experience to use Aikido in a tested environment!!!
Although in an aikido dojo we are taught the various techniques, they are there to apply aikido, they are not aikido itself. O'Sensei said that if aikido is understood any move becomes aikido. It is an understanding that is expressed through techniques.
A practitioner should not limit themselves to aikido techniques alone. A kick to the leg, grabbing hair to control an attacker, any attack can be applied through aikido. It is it not bound by its techniques. Mostly, what O'Sensei meant is not taught because aikido is rarely experienced in the way he experienced it. So we are left to question how techniques work but this is only the face of aikido and not aikido itself.
BJJ does not encourage small joint manipulation I have used it numerous times during grappling sessions, it always works, prepare yourself for the whining and excuses afterwards though.
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Thanks for the video looking at the applications of aikido instead of trying to discredit it. I’m a black belt in aikido (aikikai)and judo in addition to yellow belt in gojuryu karate and knows for sure all martial arts have their application and limitations. No one can be a perfect striker and grappler so I think I can block using karate till I can close the distance to use judo or aikido, even though I never needed to use any martial art to defend myself because I live in Japan and don’t look for trouble just as it was when I was in my home country.
I live in Japan too even though I’m moving back to America at the end of the month. My biggest fear is I might have lost my awareness because Japan is so freaking safe I never worry about anything!
It is not about the martial art, it is about the man who practices it. Everything works, if practiced correctly for the purpose it will be used for.
I don’t know if I agree with this honestly. I know some styles that I would say definitely don’t, or should I say… are significantly less functional than other styles claiming to do the same thing
It depends what they are used for. There are many styles that are highly specialized to be the best in some situations and not so good in all others. Also, not all "styles" are suitable for free sparring. @@StrykeTeamOfficial
Hi! As a former aikido practitioner as well as karate and kenpo guy, I'm with you in more ways than one. However, I would emphasize that aikido training as is includes lots of defences against grabs, and some of this stuff actually translates 1:1 to a self-defence situation (as I can tell you based on my personal experience). Also, consider that if you are used to applying your aikido moves against more dynamic, even if somewhat unrealistic attacks, using them on a more static aggressor is going to be a piece of cake. 🍰😉
Dan used Aikido techniques in a real fight.
Thank you for listing to my recodammation of Dan
It's what we have always known, some akikido technique can work, if you cross train in a martial art that has real randori.
How to make aikido work in the real world = turn it into jiujitsu, judo, wrestling etc. and keep stubbornly calling it "aikido"
martial arts continually gets watered down due to parts being lost when passed down hence why the karate naming structure is the way it is. Jiu jitsi was everything then judo became the new everything while jiu jitsu turned into grappling. Then judo became simplified into throwing. Aikido is the martial art of flow. It's the waza which can only be learned through action or doing. In a way it's simply the art of refining your sense of touch. But just as one can train for football opposed to baseball, it only applies broadly to how you trained it. In other words if you only ever developed your waza for grappling you wouldn't know how to apply it to wrestling, but it would give you a good idea. the same way a professional mover is known to be a good lifter and probably wrestler, they understand the principles. Aikido requires developed principles to be refined. Because it is the skill of the sense of touch, it's an art of delicacy or balance hence the hard soft. It takes time to develop those fundamentals needed first though, hence like he said it being a secondary martial art in a way or needing a background first. Last way i'll put it, its the art of finding the path of least resistance, primarily through tactile response.
Ueshiba's students masters or well experienced in jujutsu (grappling + striking + weapons; Bujutsu); some specifically were experienced or masters of Aiki-jujutsu (like Ueshiba himself)
The problem isn't Aikido (the techniques) it's the kumbayah lovey dovey never harm a soul approach to expressing those techniques... it is foolish enough for an expert to not try to neutralize any attacker they face but it's EXTREMELY dangerous to teach that to newcomer greenhorns who think love will literally conquer all... even that guy trying to smash their face in with a bar stool 🤦♂️
Aikido is Jujutsu. No idea what your point is.
@@angeloschneider4272 everything Japanese martial art is Jujutsu. Your comment is as useless as a completely closed ring-shaped needle.
@boom-botz444 then he grabbed one of them golf clubs and went Casey Jones on you. He then kissed the club and said, "I'll never call golf a dull game again." And walked away with a teenage boy and a giant humanoid 🐀
Aikido was developed as a streamlined version of Daito Ryu for police at The Imperial Japanese Army Nakano School (陸軍中野学校, Rikugun Nakano Gakkō); it was also taught at the Naval Staff College, the Army University, the Military Police School, the Toyama School, & in garrison at Manchuria & Mongolia. Morihei Uesiba was a sergeant drill instructor & combatives instructor for the Japanese Army before retiring to teach martial arts, farm, & be a Shinto Priest of the Omoto Kyo. It was not developed as a self defense method but more for arresting tactics. It was after WW2 that the philosophy of harmony became the emphasis. I work in hospital security and use Aikido as my primary control tactics. The Aikido atemi are optimized for use with a truncheon, a slapjack, tonfa, jitte or jutte (十手, "ten hands"), sai, or baton as would be used by a police officer or security guard from that region & era. When this is understood then it's curriculum makes much more sense. Take a truncheon then hit someone in their forehead with a shomenuchi (front face strike) or throat with a shomenate (front face thrust/attack), temple or jugular with a yokomenuchi (side face strike), munetsuki (chest, solar plexus thrust), do uchi (torso, ribs strike), do tsuki (torso ribs thrust), & koteuchi (wrist, forearm strike). All of these strikes & thrust are traditionally trained in the sport called Tankendo, which Tanto Randori of Tomiki Ryu Shodokan Aikido is a variant of it developed post WW2.
When are you going to breakdown some of my other videos and skills?
It will be a little while. Currently moving back to America from japan. My next few videos are already 90% edited and finished so it’s easier to pump out when I’m this busy
@@StrykeTeamOfficial ok cool. I spent over a year in Japan
@@DanTheWolfman beautiful country. I absolutely love it here. Sad I have to go back
3:37 And that is a major problem.
Agreed
Around minute 11:00, yes that is true. As unlike today in modern time facebook hate of this and that and stupid youtube harassing schemes: the martial artists at that time where open minded. Funakoshi, Kano, Ueshiba their all close colleagues, not friends but sharks in the same waters. Kano explicitly told his top students to learn under Ueshiba. Same with Funakoshi. As I'm mostly an Aikidoka, I do not know which Aikido students got sent in return to the other masters.
You could usually not simply enter another Dojo to learn another art without a letter of recommendation of your teacher.
On the other hand you simplify to much, obviously Ueshiba had Aikido students who never did any other art.
No idea what your Karate style is, but snatching a fist out of thin air is not difficult. It is just not done the way you see it in "demonstrations". As demonstrations are what the name implies: a demonstration, broken down into simple steps an unqualified audience can follow.
The only part of this I disagree with is the last one. I’m following you on the first half. But I’ve done uechi ryu for over 10 years and I train Shorin as well. I also compete in kickboxing and Muay Thai and I’ve never met anyone who could consistently snatch a wrist mid punch and grab it firmly. Maybe a few times I’d it’s a sloppy push but never a real strike
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Because he is doing it wrong. You do not snatch the fist, unless you want to show off, you block the elbow, and then simply "plug" the wrist. Simple.
And if you actually did Ueshi Ryu and Shorin Ruy instead of just using it for bragging: you had learned how to to that in the first year. The standard Aikido techniques like Kote Gaeshi are standard grading requirement in both Ueshi Ryu and Shorin Ryu around 9th Kyu ... Sorry. You sound like a complete fraud.
@@angeloschneider4272 lol I have literally been training with the Uechi family for the last year and a half after having trained under a 10th Dan who was the 41st teacher license ever given in the system by Kanei Uechi himself. I’ve been training for over 10 years and I assure you I know how the grab works and I land it more often than most 5th dans I know in actual sparring. Some of those guys also do aikido… none can throw me with it. They have tried. 😂 I would be more insulted by this if I didn’t actually know where I stand in comparison to the rest of the uechi community when it comes to actually using it at full speed in combat. Trust me… I do ok 😂
Edit: holllldddd up. Unless I accidentally commented on the wrong post, which I checked and don’t think I did, didn’t you insult me and claim I was a fraud??? The comment is gone. Did you go through my TH-cam or find my Instagram and find out I’m not; then try to delete it before I saw it. Because to late…
Unless it really wasn’t you and I’ll apologize but I’m pretty sure it was you 😂.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Seriously, does not matter with who you trained. I can proudly announce the truth: I trained with Ueshiba Kisshomaru, Saotome Mitsugi, Yamada Yoshimitsu ... should I continue?
Should I continue?
The people I trained with have no implication about my qualities as martial artist. Completely irrelevant. Same for your quality.
If no one threw you, then he probably did not want?
If I play with people like you, I lose the grip intentionally when you lose balance. Why would I throw a guy where I have fear/regret he breaks something in his body?
No, I did not delete a post.
I did not call you a fraud.
ROKKAS is a fraud. And you give him a platform.
Sadge.
Regarding sparring. Sure you would win. You are younger and faster ...
But if you want to see a technique: there is no way in heaven, hell or earth you can resist it. Because: you do not even know what I'm doing.
Get a clue mate: you have no clue about what you are talking.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Perhaps here was indeed a post deleted. But not by me.
Have you looked into Aikijujutsu ? Thats what a lot of "hard aikido" looks like to me
Not yet
I practice Kung Fu and part of it iis Striking, Wrestling and Qin Na similar to Aikido. I often deal with shoplifters and people causing trouble in the store I work at and sometimes get into physical altercations. I have had to hold back my striking because this isnt combat sports and I dont want to risk being seen as the aggressor so I find Aikido type techniques and wrestling more helpful in that type of situation. Ill strike enough to put someone on the defense and overwhelm their defenses but not looking to hurt or knock someone out.
You said you do uechi ryu karate? I used to train under sensei James Weseluski for about 10 years ( I hope I spelled his last name right 😅) one of the things I discovered about it when you do your circle block don't grab the arm since it won't be there grab his gi i.e his clothes to control him. Much like doing gi jujitsu or judo use the grips on clothing. Idk about you but we wear coats in new England. osu 🥋
We wear the jacket and that’s also how we do the grab. Grabbing the actual arm is ridiculously hard.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial awesome that you have this channel tho whenever I told them about the style I did there was visible question marks. Good to see someone trying to shed light on this style. if you look into it it has a lot of similarities with wing chun to where I ended up going after.
@@puppetmaster413 we have the same grandfather system so that makes sense. Both come from white crane
@@puppetmaster413 why did you switch?
I ended up switching when I joined the army and ended up training in us army combatives. Then to some other styles and develop something thats a more individualized system for me. And then when I came home COVID happened and my sensei retired and closed the school.
There are many reasons for training a martial art. Some of them are the practicality, others to become a great sportsman fighter. And there are those who train for longevity. All those reasons are valid reasons for good people. What I don’t understand is why do some opinionated people think that their reason is superior.
Idk. Has nothing to do with this video as it’s purely talking about practicality and none of those other reasons. If you’re not doing it for this reasons then you shouldn’t get angry at the video.
I am not angry at the video, I am not angry at you or at all. What I am trying to say is, the practicality, as a whole, of practicing a martial art is individual regardless of the opinion in the main stream TH-cam media about Aikido.
I respect and understand the need for practical validation of the technical aspect of any martial art. By the, all Aikido techniques are based on jujitsu disarming techniques. Basically it’s jujitsu on the physical layer. Thank you for a lovely video.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial If you are not practicing the art then you should not suggest how to fix it.
@@ron_pe There are certain things, like using realistic training methods, that are universal in all arts. There’s not a single art with a high average level of proficiency that doesn’t do this. Also, seeing as I just commented on what current practitioners were doing and highlighted it, I didn’t say anything that practitioners that are currently making it work didn’t say first. Saying someone doesn’t have the right to comment without actually trying to talk on the actual statements made is a really bad way to make a point
What a great guy this ex police officer is! did you even realize he has a rainbow flag and sign saying "black lives matter" on the wall of his gym/dojo ? ❤
And of course it's not the main point of the video but it's just always wonderfull to see when there are strong man who are also into martial arts and fighting and stuff show that it's possible at the same time, to be kind and jhave a good heart.
Wrist Locks are not Aikido. Wrist Locks are as old as people had hands, Aikido is the "flow", is the "throwing" the opponent without hurting them until they give up, Without it that's just Jujutsu, AikiJututsu, Dayto Ryu, Hapkido, Qin Na, pankration or any martial arts that had uses wrist Locks, some of them hundres of year before Aikido being created.
I tried to show that in my original video. This guy Rokkas actually used one of aikidos throws under pressure. But, he is super hated by aikido people and these two were the ones I was sent to look at. I get your point on how wrist locks are everywhere but these two learned it from aikido, specifically Dan. I was actually looking for some positive aikido videos and this is the best I could find.
but Aikido take all their techniques from Daito-ryu and difference between Aikido and Daito-ryu is in the philosophy of not to harm without it thats not Aikido thats just an plain wrist lock. Form Aikido to work as intended it needs a huge differece of power and skill like a grow man with 20 years of training agaist a skinny teen with 0 expirence. otherwise Aikido will never work in a real figth. @@StrykeTeamOfficial
@@Yoandrys23 well I mean rokkas made a move work. But I am not going to overly disagree with you because by your definition of aikido you presented I don’t have much evidence. I lean toward it not working outside of ways shown in this video for the most part
Lol! Now try this against any actual bjj person who is good with the standup. If you tried to wrist lock me standing up then you will get punched in the face.
I mean…. He’s doing it against a brown belt and if you punch him in the face during a Bjj roll you’re a jerk. And the dude landing it is a catch wrestler and mma guy plus Bjj black belt I believe.
Dan Wolfman has competed in mma and did security work. You guys always move the goalposts
Nice videos
Glad you like them!
Remember dan is a catch wrestler and catch wrestling people have a lot of strength to pull aikido wrist locks off
Yes he is strong but the cop and rokkas from my other video also did it. Wrist locks also don’t need you to be stronger than your opponent especially if you’re around the same strength
Well let me tell you something when you’re a cop and you grab someone by the arm or wrist Odds are the guys going to comply with you so that’s why your BS aikido would work Try not having a badge and a gun and a cop uniform and try to put on a Aikido hold someone you’re going to eat a punch
Did you finish the video or stop watching in the first half?
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Yeah only watched maybe about 10 minutes of it
@@mgtowproperties ahhhh dude the timing on that hahahaha. Literally maybe 1-2 more minutes and it would be a retired mma fighter and catch wrestler landing it in Bjj classes.
@@mgtowproperties maybe I should have made the first part shorter. I tried to leave the best for last
Rokas just seems like not tough and the way he held hinself wasn't like a good aikidoka. We'd always get people on our dojo that would 'stress test us' when they came from other martial arts. Sometimes they'd do well, but mostly they'd be floored. We train in instant reactions, but definitely people need to be prepared for specific resistance etc, as.pokice guy said. I used to train police in Aikido and they regularly gave me feedback. Note restraint very different from fighting.
True it’s not the same purpose as fighting. To be fair I don’t know that many functional aikido guys and I wish I did
Rokkas does not do Aikido, never really did Aikido. He is a fraud like late Seagull. He can not even stand upright. Distance wrong, timing wrong. Not even the simplest grip like Kotegaeshi or Sankyo is even half right. No idea bout your channel. But if you give other youtubers a platform that they do not deserve, I do not find that ethical.
Rokkas was a live-in aikido uchi-deshi and an aikido instructor with a teacher's certificate. It may not be up to what you think the standard should be but he definitely qualifies as an aikido instructor to some aikido organizations and that's good enough for the point of the video. And while Segal is also not my favorite martial artist he is also a 7th dan in aikido and the highest ranking foreigner at one point and owned a dojo in japan. He also made his own style that is widely practiced so he would still be worthy as a representation even if it was to critique what I don't like about it. I often find it interesting how when anyone leaves or critiques the system they suddenly become bad. Rokkas was a 3rd dan and when I see old videos of his aikido I can't see much of a difference compared to everyone else doing aikido.
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Lolz, he never had a teacher. He learned it from books. Made a Dojo and visited an American teacher, who had no credibility what so ever, in seminars in Switzerland. No idea, are you an complete idiot?
Uchi Dechi means: living in a Dojo.
In who's Dojo would that have been, lol?
From where should he get a teacher certificate, except from his fraud teacher?
The last thing I saw about him, he was a self declared 3rd degree black belt. And could not even do blue belt technique correctly.
Then there popped a youtube video up, where snippets of his "not self declared" 3rd degree black belt examination where shown.
He did an DCMA complaint to get those videos taken down.
He did his "third degree" examination with the "American fake teacher" under esoteric music. Seriously? And you think that is Aikido?
Rokkas is a fraud, just like Seagull.
Seagull has always been real deal. Rokas was poorly trained
@@jacobharris954 Seagull would not pass a blue belt test, but can break your wrist.
Minute 24:00, just lolz. We all practice like the wolf man. You have a seriously deluded idea about Aikido by fake Aikidoka like Rokas.
It’s not just Rokas. I’ve had a couple different aikido guys test their stuff on me. They can land it when I stand still but I’ve never had anyone land it when I resist
Also, I think the fault would lie closer to the demonstrations than rokas. This idea of aikido is much older than him
@@StrykeTeamOfficial Yeah and I had a couple of different BJ guys who could not do anything against me. Could it be - by chance or by logic - that the Aikido guys you met simply were not very good, or simply were overwhelmed by a FIGHTER?
@@angeloschneider4272 not really. Simply because it is not just me. I have met many aikido guys… over a dozen from different places. That in itself would be worrying but maybe it’s just my area of California. But then I talk to other people, not all fighters some just karate guys, and that can very in skill a LOT as it can suffer from similar issues. However, not a single person I know has ever experienced aikido working in any method outside of something similar to what is shown in this video if they are applying resistance. Also, since my style has grabs I’m experienced in them and how hard they are. I’ve also had trained fighters, UFC and ONE championship level try to do the grabs. I won’t say we never pull it off but damn is it hard if we aren’t pretending to be drunk and being really bad on purpose. And then you have the entirety of the martial art community where aikido is second only to chi magic when it comes to its hate. So I am pretty sure it’s not just Rokas that gives it a bad wrap, but how the art presents itself as a whole.
@@angeloschneider4272 seeing as my experience is the actual norm could it be by chance or by logic… that your Bjj guys really really sucked lol