Hi Taren, I tried many ‘how to’s on the flip turn and failed till tonight when I used your technique😊 If I may, I’d add that complete flip turn beginners could do the first attempts with flippers - worked for me! Your little dolphin kick is the key that got me there! Many thanks indeed👍👍
Taren, Curtis here an old BG buddy from the U of A! I stumbled upon your videos and man you got everything covered, I've been watching a ton. Here's hoping I can flip turn.
Excellent tips! Thanks, but the water coming up into my nose each time is terrible. I need to blow through my nose out all my lungs during the turn, but still...
I train in a big round cement farm dam. I am lucky to see the wall at 3ft. The best thing about tumble turn is that you learn to hold your breath for longer.
Well, no triathelon for me as I never liked running. Curious though, when in the pool, are you just training swimming, or you go for times in your trithelelon? Turns in the pool for training aren't really critical, unless you are going for times. With the Kayak turn, if you are going for time, you need to push off and go under at least 2 feet or so to get under the back wash/water that follows you into the wall. Makes a big difference. Other than that, does any one do the old school over arm side stroke? While not quite as fast as freestyle (only record for side stroke was 1:02.5 for 100 yards, set in 1895, when the freestyle record was 1:01.2). Far faster than breast stroke, and equal to back stroke or fly, or at least very close... Most efficient stroke I have found in terms of distance covered per stroke, and energy expended.... Long axis stroke, flip turns....
Well, a few more observations..... I have watched at least 50 different flip turn videos. Yours is the only one that mentions the little dolphin kick to help accelerate the flip turn. So, next day in the pool, I try it. I do it a couple of times then try to switch back to the old way where I didn't do it, and found out I couldn't go back to the old way without really concentrating on it. So, I commented on this aspect to the life guards and coaches, and they all gave me that look of 'you didn't know that?' Learned a trick that every one 'knows' from a triathlete..... One other thing is that you don't use your arms to help with the rotation. Had a lap pal (a palindrome if you are into that...) tell me about it when I started learning them. So, before your feet are on the wall, and your hands are still at your side, palms towards the tummy side, to an extended bicep curl to over the top of your head. This still puts your arms straight out in front of you. All of the elite swimmers do this to greater or lesser extent, and if you watch for it, you will see it. Some mention it casually and the move for them, at 'master; level is very subtle. Oh, you mention about how cold it is in winter there in Winnipeg. Now, I have been there in the middle of winter, and know you don't consider it cold until it is 20 to 40 below 0 F......
@@Jeph629 The best one ever was a coach who said it is a wasted motion. I commented 'how come the swimmer in your video does that?' he never responded. I have heard the same thing mentioned about using your arms to help speed up your flip turn.... Really bummed that the pools are closed down. Spending a lot of time on my bike and hiking the hills because my quads really need some work... Just a swimmer, not a triathlete...
Really really useful explanation for a new swimmer minus tri athlete 🤔 (spinal surgeries) especially the advice yo try a couple each session and build up. Thank you 😘😘
Great video - I was giving thoughts to benefits and the main one I can think of is that it might avoid repetitive strain injuries from using your arm on the wall - just a thought though
I am 73 and the sun and cold is not my friend. I have tried lots of sun shirts. I don't really like wet suits. Is there anything you can recommend. I try to swing every day.
For an open turn, I try to keep the same timing as when I'm breathing during a normal stroke: 1. Touch the wall with leading hand (turn body more on side than normal) - Keep trailing hand behind you In the following steps, keep the body facing the side wall... 2. Push off wall with leading hand to rotate body away from wall (keeping head close to water) - While pulling your feet toward your body in preparation for the push off (this also helps with rotating the body) - Your momentum helps rotate your lower body as you push your upper body away from the wall 3. During the hand push off, take breath and quickly take leading hand over your head as if you are recovering from a stroke (away from the wall) 4. Now both hands are in front of you and your feet are on the wall 5. Push off wall with both feet, rotating to face the bottom and continue stroking. Done correctly, this turn simulates 2 strokes and uses about the same amount of time used to take a breath during a regular stroke.
Hi Taren! Just to let you know I translated this interesting video to spanish. TH-cam says it has to be review for others to publish it, so if you are interested, I have the translation file. Hope this helps you. Bye!
The problem w flip turning for me isn't really that I can't do it, I can but I go to the surface gasping for air and my muscles start burning for oxygen
Your feet are touching the wall twice. You're flipping over then you're letting your feet bounce off the wall. Then you're extending your legs again to push off lower on the wall. Flip and push off all in one
Another option is to use a nose clip when you start out. Some folks prefer to use them on flip turns to onto your back for back crawl. I started out learning to do the flip turns using a nose clip. Once I got the body positions and speed right. I weaned myself off the nose clips. Hope this helps.
3 is really a magic number...... challenge see how many more tips you can give in three steps ....! Will give this a go may have to Strat when pool is quiet.... last time overthought it and banged my head on the bottom of the pool.... ouch 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Kinda disagree about the value of flip turns for open water swimmers (2:45). Getting to the point of making them effortless and without much thought, you get more continuity in the swim -- a continuous flow. This then helps keep the flow as you swim continuously.
This was 4 years ago, is there anyone still can answer me? HAHAHA Anw, here's my question, is it possible to practice this without clear water and without wearing a goggles? What I've experienced was, I was doing a 360 flip HAHAHA, can't control when to stop without seeing clearly... is there a way or it will be just hard with that environment?
5:26 Key word :"tuck"---typical beginner mistake is to bring the legs over in pike. Don't do that! Also, no breath-holding unless a head full of water is your 'thing': exhale slowly through your nose through the turn. And don't breathe off the wall*, i.e.-you don't need that first breath and will only slow you down. Keep your head down and restart your normal breathing pattern after two strokes. (Anyone who has ever lost an event by less than 0.1 wishes they'd done this!). [*Don't breathe into a finish either, but that's a different video]
Never learned em, I am an Ironman finisher (1:16 swim time). You don't need to learn them. I am going to try to learn them tomorrow morning on my recovery swim.
I want to do this so badly but I’m scared! (Says the 50 year old woman who has “performance kids” swimming all around her!) Without knowing what I was doing, I’m already doing the “kayak” push off
if you train in pool with water level poll deck edge then it might be scary, and I´ve had few bad turns in those kind of pools. (you are more likely to hit bottom of your feet then your achileas) It is better to practice turns in pool with high pool deck edge. There is no chance for you hitting the edge of the pool while flipturning in those. Pracitce just regular body rolls in the middle of the lane floating still. if you can do those then start swimming and make the body roll in speed farther from the wall Then try body roll with gentle kick/push of, farther from the wall Then work your way closer to the wall and test distances for planting your feet To overcome dizzyness you should approach it like if you are on rollercoaster if you focus on environment around you spinning and flipping you will be dizzy. if you focus only on few points then you still be dizzy but way less :) In the1. stage focus your sight on bottom of the pool in the stage 2 middle if the roll (tucking your chin) focus on your legs/knees, in the 3rd stage pushing of the wall turn your head to the side it will help you rotate faster into the freestyle position
I get dizzy too - Went to the doctor and found if you have had a recent bout of vertigo (I did a year ago) or even if you get motion sick easily this can trigger nausea. BUT the taught push off Taren shows is super effective and as he points out, no worries for the triathlete if flip turns arent a strong suit. Still, I’m curious to see if one day this nausea goes away.
Practice breathing out air through your nose underwater throughout the flip turn. If you are blowing bubbles/air as you turn, that keeps the water from entering the nose during the turn. Another option is using a nose clip especially when doing a bucket turn. Like when you go from front crawl, flip at the wall, to a backstroke with underwater dolphin kicks on your back. I love doing flip turns and take time to practice them all each workout.
4mins of intro to get to 3 steps in a 11min vid, thx for wasting my time, you know i watch videos half yours and twice as informative, i guess you seem fun so thats chill... videos more half you trying to appeal to people...
Taren...your flips turns need work. Your foot placement on the wall is incorrect, your advice on what to do with your arms is incorrect, you do not streamline nor dolphin kick.
frankly idisagree. if you touch the wall everytime you do a lap you decelerate. you waste a lot energy accelerating again. you can use walls to accelerate and/or rest you train the body to move faster through water and make the strokes you take out of the wall more efficient. flip turns are imperative for any lap swimmer looking to move fast through the water in freestyle or backstroke.
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Thanks mate
Thank you
Can’t wait until I go swim on Wednesday to try out my flip! Someday I’ll look COOL in the pool as well LOL 😎
Hi Taren, I tried many ‘how to’s on the flip turn and failed till tonight when I used your technique😊 If I may, I’d add that complete flip turn beginners could do the first attempts with flippers - worked for me! Your little dolphin kick is the key that got me there! Many thanks indeed👍👍
Thanks. Both of these techniques will help me a lot. Awesome.
Taren, Curtis here an old BG buddy from the U of A! I stumbled upon your videos and man you got everything covered, I've been watching a ton. Here's hoping I can flip turn.
i am a fledgling triathlete . thanx for the inspiration and tips. :) makes me want to jump into the pool asap
thanks your advice of little dolphin kick
Thanks Taren. Really helpful.
Kim you're a total boss.
She says thanks Hannah!
Excellent video! Since I suck at flip turning, I’m going to be the best kayak push offer in the pool!
Excellent tips! Thanks, but the water coming up into my nose each time is terrible. I need to blow through my nose out all my lungs during the turn, but still...
amazing explanation
I train in a big round cement farm dam. I am lucky to see the wall at 3ft. The best thing about tumble turn is that you learn to hold your breath for longer.
What you described is exactly what I do now even down even down to the skip on the wall!
Wish i can do it
Great advice😃
thanks
Great explanation. My problem is I get out of breath when I do the flipturn. Any solution for this? Best regards.
Can I pass the WSI without doing the flip turn
I have seen some videos some people turn to their right others to their left, I see here you do it to your left. Which one is better?
thanks - quite helpful
Adoro assistir seu vídeo.
Não entendo ingles.
Só português.Mas assisto bj
Lol love your method ❤
Well, no triathelon for me as I never liked running. Curious though, when in the pool, are you just training swimming, or you go for times in your trithelelon? Turns in the pool for training aren't really critical, unless you are going for times. With the Kayak turn, if you are going for time, you need to push off and go under at least 2 feet or so to get under the back wash/water that follows you into the wall. Makes a big difference. Other than that, does any one do the old school over arm side stroke? While not quite as fast as freestyle (only record for side stroke was 1:02.5 for 100 yards, set in 1895, when the freestyle record was 1:01.2). Far faster than breast stroke, and equal to back stroke or fly, or at least very close... Most efficient stroke I have found in terms of distance covered per stroke, and energy expended.... Long axis stroke, flip turns....
Well, a few more observations..... I have watched at least 50 different flip turn videos. Yours is the only one that mentions the little dolphin kick to help accelerate the flip turn. So, next day in the pool, I try it. I do it a couple of times then try to switch back to the old way where I didn't do it, and found out I couldn't go back to the old way without really concentrating on it. So, I commented on this aspect to the life guards and coaches, and they all gave me that look of 'you didn't know that?' Learned a trick that every one 'knows' from a triathlete.....
One other thing is that you don't use your arms to help with the rotation. Had a lap pal (a palindrome if you are into that...) tell me about it when I started learning them. So, before your feet are on the wall, and your hands are still at your side, palms towards the tummy side, to an extended bicep curl to over the top of your head. This still puts your arms straight out in front of you. All of the elite swimmers do this to greater or lesser extent, and if you watch for it, you will see it. Some mention it casually and the move for them, at 'master; level is very subtle.
Oh, you mention about how cold it is in winter there in Winnipeg. Now, I have been there in the middle of winter, and know you don't consider it cold until it is 20 to 40 below 0 F......
Any coach who said, "you didn't know that?" may need a new career.
@@Jeph629 The best one ever was a coach who said it is a wasted motion. I commented 'how come the swimmer in your video does that?' he never responded. I have heard the same thing mentioned about using your arms to help speed up your flip turn.... Really bummed that the pools are closed down. Spending a lot of time on my bike and hiking the hills because my quads really need some work... Just a swimmer, not a triathlete...
What such great explanation! Thank you very much.
Love your videos!!!!!
Really really useful explanation for a new swimmer minus tri athlete 🤔 (spinal surgeries) especially the advice yo try a couple each session and build up. Thank you 😘😘
What heart rate strap do your recommend for swimming?
Great video - I was giving thoughts to benefits and the main one I can think of is that it might avoid repetitive strain injuries from using your arm on the wall - just a thought though
Kudos to NTK! Up to 20 min!! 👍👍
If your like me and swim 6-7 times a week you don’t get fatigued by doing 400m and the flip turns don’t get sloppy
Im italian and i understood perfectly your spech
Then let's start a course to repair your English! :)
I am 73 and the sun and cold is not my friend. I have tried lots of sun shirts. I don't really like wet suits. Is there anything you can recommend. I try to swing every day.
What software do you use to do swim analysis on your iPad?
For an open turn, I try to keep the same timing as when I'm breathing during a normal stroke:
1. Touch the wall with leading hand (turn body more on side than normal)
- Keep trailing hand behind you
In the following steps, keep the body facing the side wall...
2. Push off wall with leading hand to rotate body away from wall (keeping head close to water)
- While pulling your feet toward your body in preparation for the push off (this also helps with rotating the body)
- Your momentum helps rotate your lower body as you push your upper body away from the wall
3. During the hand push off, take breath and quickly take leading hand over your head as if you are recovering from a stroke (away from the wall)
4. Now both hands are in front of you and your feet are on the wall
5. Push off wall with both feet, rotating to face the bottom and continue stroking.
Done correctly, this turn simulates 2 strokes and uses about the same amount of time used to take a breath during a regular stroke.
@@TheVikingquest lol you sound like a dick tbh
Hi Taren! Just to let you know I translated this interesting video to spanish. TH-cam says it has to be review for others to publish it, so if you are interested, I have the translation file. Hope this helps you. Bye!
Thank you. I no longer get water up my nose but I find that my classmate is always racing me without telling me. What's up with that?
The problem w flip turning for me isn't really that I can't do it, I can but I go to the surface gasping for air and my muscles start burning for oxygen
A lot of unnecessary info. We just want a flip turn, nothing else
Who else has zone swimming tomorrow and it’s midnight and ur looking at how to swim fast and stuff.
Great freaking tip
dolphin kick out of the turn.
hey, aren't you the HR guy from the office?
Mr. Ziyad Toby!!!!!
Your feet are touching the wall twice. You're flipping over then you're letting your feet bounce off the wall. Then you're extending your legs again to push off lower on the wall. Flip and push off all in one
If you were listening he mentioned that he goofed and not to do that
I always have water up my nose while flipping. Can’t tackle this problem
Slowly push air out through your nose when upside down. The air will prevent any water from entering your nose. I have the same problem.
Another option is to use a nose clip when you start out.
Some folks prefer to use them on flip turns to onto your back for back crawl.
I started out learning to do the flip turns using a nose clip. Once I got the body positions and speed right. I weaned myself off the nose clips. Hope this helps.
3 is really a magic number...... challenge see how many more tips you can give in three steps ....! Will give this a go may have to Strat when pool is quiet.... last time overthought it and banged my head on the bottom of the pool.... ouch 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Kinda disagree about the value of flip turns for open water swimmers (2:45). Getting to the point of making them effortless and without much thought, you get more continuity in the swim -- a continuous flow. This then helps keep the flow as you swim continuously.
100%
This was 4 years ago, is there anyone still can answer me? HAHAHA
Anw, here's my question, is it possible to practice this without clear water and without wearing a goggles? What I've experienced was, I was doing a 360 flip HAHAHA, can't control when to stop without seeing clearly... is there a way or it will be just hard with that environment?
5:26 Key word :"tuck"---typical beginner mistake is to bring the legs over in pike. Don't do that! Also, no breath-holding unless a head full of water is your 'thing': exhale slowly through your nose through the turn. And don't breathe off the wall*, i.e.-you don't need that first breath and will only slow you down. Keep your head down and restart your normal breathing pattern after two strokes. (Anyone who has ever lost an event by less than 0.1 wishes they'd done this!). [*Don't breathe into a finish either, but that's a different video]
Dolphin kick will give most important thing, that is no forceful forward motion, Then no flip turn!!
Never learned em, I am an Ironman finisher (1:16 swim time). You don't need to learn them.
I am going to try to learn them tomorrow morning on my recovery swim.
Talk about breathing while doing it. I have been swimming for about 6 months and can't flip, have tried and drank some water.
Need to have a good breath of air before start to flip. Then breathe out thru the nose while upside down.
I want to do this so badly but I’m scared! (Says the 50 year old woman who has “performance kids” swimming all around her!) Without knowing what I was doing, I’m already doing the “kayak” push off
20 minutes! :)
YAAAASS!! She did!
for those who want to learn flip turn simply to look cool in the pool🍻
How stop water going in noise
Gently exhale through your nose until you complete the turn and start you next stroke. Watch Taren at 4:27.
stay calm and keep air pressure in your nasal cavity, it requires focus and training but it is doable
You look a bit like Toby from the office
Every time I try a flip turn I have water up my nose and feels like goes straight in to the head...
Oh no! You need to take a deep breath before the flip and breath out during the range of motion until you get back to the surface.
*exhale out of your nose as you complete flip turn
I have this irrational fear that I'm going to get too close to the wall and bash the backs of my ankles on the ridge. Plus I get dizzy... hmm
if you train in pool with water level poll deck edge then it might be scary, and I´ve had few bad turns in those kind of pools. (you are more likely to hit bottom of your feet then your achileas) It is better to practice turns in pool with high pool deck edge. There is no chance for you hitting the edge of the pool while flipturning in those.
Pracitce just regular body rolls in the middle of the lane floating still. if you can do those then start swimming and make the body roll in speed farther from the wall
Then try body roll with gentle kick/push of, farther from the wall
Then work your way closer to the wall and test distances for planting your feet
To overcome dizzyness you should approach it like if you are on rollercoaster if you focus on environment around you spinning and flipping you will be dizzy. if you focus only on few points then you still be dizzy but way less :)
In the1. stage focus your sight on bottom of the pool in the stage 2 middle if the roll (tucking your chin) focus on your legs/knees, in the 3rd stage pushing of the wall turn your head to the side it will help you rotate faster into the freestyle position
I get dizzy too - Went to the doctor and found if you have had a recent bout of vertigo (I did a year ago) or even if you get motion sick easily this can trigger nausea. BUT the taught push off Taren shows is super effective and as he points out, no worries for the triathlete if flip turns arent a strong suit. Still, I’m curious to see if one day this nausea goes away.
@@OVOCNYCHECK great tips! thanks
@@dannyd664 ya... I've had vertigo several times in the past few years.
You’re right, that is irrational. You’ll be fine.
Talking 'bout logs: who's gonna carry the boats and the logs?!
Water us going into nose...
Practice breathing out air through your nose underwater throughout the flip turn. If you are blowing bubbles/air as you turn, that keeps the water from entering the nose during the turn.
Another option is using a nose clip especially when doing a bucket turn. Like when you go from front crawl, flip at the wall, to a backstroke with underwater dolphin kicks on your back.
I love doing flip turns and take time to practice them all each workout.
@@1houndgal in some reason i stop breathing out when im upside down. In other cases i am blowing bubbles without problems.
@1:24 Lose that Plastic bottle! As a sporsman you should know better by now!
can i ask why?
Re his last comment, just keep blowing some air out your nose as you’re flipping. Notice the air bubbles from his nose in the video.
4mins of intro to get to 3 steps in a 11min vid, thx for wasting my time, you know i watch videos half yours and twice as informative, i guess you seem fun so thats chill... videos more half you trying to appeal to people...
i breathe in water in my nose every time i try to learn this...
Slowly push air out through your nose when upside down. The air will prevent any water from entering your nose. I have the same problem.
Taren...your flips turns need work. Your foot placement on the wall is incorrect, your advice on what to do with your arms is incorrect, you do not streamline nor dolphin kick.
Steve Booth cool
frankly idisagree.
if you touch the wall everytime you do a lap you decelerate.
you waste a lot energy accelerating again.
you can use walls to accelerate and/or rest
you train the body to move faster through water and make the strokes you take out of the wall more efficient.
flip turns are imperative for any lap swimmer looking to move fast through the water in freestyle or backstroke.
Three first minutes. Complete waste of time.
You talk way too much
You should have talked about breathing. Correct breathing and pushing air out of your nose is essential in flip turns.