Great video!!! By the way, the truck was NOT stuck on the tracks. The driver, a Ventura County employee, driving a Ventura County water truck, pulled out directly into the patch of the train. It was so fast and close to the approaching train, the engineer had no time to react. 14 hit the truck at 66 MPH. The track speed in the portion of the Santa Barbara sub is 70 MPH. 191 passengers, 17 crew members. The engineer complained of chest pain from hitting the desk of locomotive. He will be ok.
I never bought the nonsense about the truck being stuck on a track basically another incident of someone trying to beat the train which ended up badly.
The cars might just require inspection. The P42 likewise. The charger likely could go back north to Siemens for repairs. Besides the pain the engineer suffered from hitting the desk I know from my EMS days all that force created from a 66 mph object striking a stationary object had to go somewhere. The engineer has to deal with the flashbacks of not being able to do anything. This is amazing coverage you got while staying enough away to not be in the way. The railroad is very good at clearing up incidents.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again. I don't feel bad for this idiot truck driver. This is what happens or can happen when idiots try to beat a train. This truck driver is extremely lucky that non of the passengers or crew have died or was seriously injured. he is probably most likely at a trauma center for his injuries and most likely the guilt he has for creating this big disaster. I feel extremely bad for the crew and passengers onboard hope they all recover well and I hope the engineer is okay.
Exactly! I have absolutely no pity for that truck driver for being super dumb unless that truck driver was deaf and there were no crossing gates at that intersection where the impact happened.
@@dng2000 as a truck driver myself im impared if he ignored traffic laws we are trained especially if there is no crossing light you are to stop and look before you proceed
@@sonicriser699that is common sense for everyone to follow! We are taught to do the same when crossing the street and stop sings too ! Poor judgement/ lack of patience is the likely cause here with or without crossing guards!!!
I just came across this excellent video. Well done! I was aboard 14 that day in the first coach behind the baggage car. I was chatting with my seatmate about how pleasant it was to take Amtrak and not have to worry about anything when BOOM! It took me about a second to realize we were on the ground. The coach started leaning to the left, and two words went through my brain: STAY UPRIGHT! Then it corrected, leaned to the right, back again to the left, and finally righted itself and we ground to a noisy stop. It all took about twenty seconds and about a thousand feet. 0/10 would not recommend. This happened almost a year to the day after the fatal derailment of the Southwest Chief in Missouri under similar circumstances. I’m 99% sure the truck pulled out in front of us, as there was no frantic horn action nor noticeable deceleration. The engineer did throw it into emergency at the last second, as the car filled with brake shoe smoke. Some people got a little panicky, thinking the car was on fire, and were ready to pop the windows and jump for it when a car attendant shouted from the lower level, “We are evacuating the train. Please grab your belongings and proceed downstairs and out of the car in an orderly fashion.” Emergency crews were on the scene before everyone could get off the train. I was asked by an EMT for my name and if I was hurt. I had cracked a fingernail, but obviously nothing serious. I got tagged with a blue wristband to signify I had been attended to. All passengers made their way to either the grade crossing just ahead of the locomotive or the one behind the train where the collision occurred. After a long wait on the side roads adjacent to Pentair Water Group, the industry to the south of the tracks, city buses picked us up and took us to Moorpark City Hall. From there, Amtrak had motor coaches take us back to LA Union Station. It was a memorable day.
@@katzgarP42s weren’t exactly the pinnacle of reliability either…. My only complaint about the Chargers vs. the P42s is those giant windows, which just invite things to come smashing through them.
The Chargers learned from Kraus Maffei to build in better cooling, so they have those huge side inputs like the tunnel motor modification. They didn't think to look if there was a gotcha, and there is, you don't always want that much cooling. GM built into the roof of their TM locomotives louvers to trap some of the waste heat inside the car body to keep the components from freezing, opening and closing automatically on a thermostat. So, Chargers run into the Sierras and promptly freeze up in the snow. Oh goodie.
Nice video !! When will people treat RR crossings with respect ?? We all learned from a young age, Stop, Look and Listen ???????? These incidents will continue to happen until drivers start to obey basic safety when approaching ANY railroad crossing either marked or unmarked. Here in Florida we have had a number of incidents with Brightline trains hitting vehicles that go around crossing gates. And it's insane to have QUIET ZONES where trains are not able to use horns to alert motorist of the approaching train. If you go around gates and get hit, it's on you !!!! you will probably all eternity to think about it.
They ought to have video at all Crossings that record people who go around the arms unless they have malfunctioned. Then they ought to stick them with a $5,000 fine that way they get the message. If they can't pay it then they need to spend 1 month in jail.
I know it’s a little late, but great footage of the derailment cleanup!!! Sucks that another Amtrak trainset is out of service, while Amtrak is struggling with a depleted supply of cars! What about the two locos? Have ALC 300 or P-42DC #74 been repaired?
Thanks for documenting this! I grew up not far away from the area in Thousand Oaks and occasionally take the train from Burbank airport to Moorpark and back, and as a kid rode the Starlight from Simi to "San Francisco" as a kid with my family. It's sad to see this happen, but considering how it COULD have gone, it's a miracle it concluded how it did. I am curious to see what happens in the courts as it sounds like a county vehicle caused the crash so one government agency against another is going to get UGLY!
Amtrak is NOT a government agency. Is a private corporation that has not made a dime in 50 years and the US tax payers keep it afloat, as congress hold the purse strings and the CEO answers to them.
You mean county vs. railroads. As long as all the RR lights and signage is correct, the county will submit the bill to their insurance company and they will work out a settlement.
You wouldn’t want to be on an Amtrak train when there’s an accident. Ny to Florida was supposed to be an enjoyable trip, but train hit a truck in Virginia and we had an major delay. Only minor injuries. Will try to take train in 2024 to Florida if I decide not to dry down.
I went by about 1:30 or so and there were some buses up by the tracks and another one being wedged into one of the small access roads from 118, a little tight turn for them. Still quite a few emergency vehicles in the area, many up at the tracks and then back down to 118 and a few parked nearby. Pretty lucky to not have more damage or get farther off the rails, etc.
I literaly live in the next town over, me and my mom were acutaly blocked by traffic because of that derailment, its also cool to see how they rerail trains in ameirca!
Very cool video thank you! It would be great to have descriptions of the work on screen, would love to know more about the process. ( maybe someday if someone has time ?) So relieved this wasn’t worse, hope the crew is ok.
I assume after an incident like this, all of the cars and locomotives have to undergo a thorough safety inspection, But would they just travel under their own power to the closest maintenance yard? Also assuming they cant be loaded on flatbeds.
They were pulled by a freight locomotive to Oxnard Yard at low speed, which can be seen in another video. The dining car’s suspension seems to be shot which will hamper any attempts to move it on the rails without serious repairs, the other cars all appear to be mobile so they will likely get some inspections and minor repair work so they can be moved to Amtrak’s 8th Street Yard in LA for any serious work. Most if not all of the wheels will need to be replaced at a minimum and you can see additional brake lines in the video where the train is being moved to Oxnard so the brake lines and other conduits under the cars are likely damaged and will need replacement.
Glad to know the crew are OK. Great video. I know these guys know exactly what they're doing. But cutting the rail under a listing locomotive is *not* on my Top 10 list of things to do!
@@darryldworak6356 300 shpould be spared, it doesnt look totaled to me. Unlike ACS-64's 601 and 627 in the Northeast Regional, those are totaled and pending scrap
Pretty ignorant about the railroad, but never seen an engine like that. Can't even remember the last time I saw a passenger train. Great video, interesting to see how they set the engine back on the tracks. Do they set the engines and cars back on the tracks by lifting the entire engine or car, or by lifting front and then back?
Would love to know about the background of the work crew, if anybody knows and can share. Where are they based? Do the work for Amtrak or a private company?
Probably a private company. Could be Amtrak, but most derails (there are more than you think) and re-rail work is performed by a company specializing in that type of work. There is a whole very large industry out there that performs all sorts of railroad support work from hundreds of companies....
Typically they are contacted crews that specialize in derailment restoration. Amtrak or the railroad can’t afford to keep the crews and equipment on standby until needed and hopefully in the right location when needed. In the Midwest the two big ones are Gorman Railroad Services and Hulcher. And, that’s all they do.
OH NO the alc-42 charger Is this the first Alc 42 to crash at least we got to see a crash test to see how well it did in a crash and I did pretty good not a lot of damage
P42 74 must have a curse of it or something this the second wreck its been in this wreck and then the 2021 Montana wreck it was the leader but yikes gives me Amtrak 47 vibes
I cannot believe how many derailment Amtrak is involved in. Less than 24 months ago,the Montana derailment happened. Is the track not maintained in the states?
They are restricted from using horns in many places and by their nature swerving to avoid some idiot that decides to ignore warning and safety devices and it is somehow Amtraks fault?
know they were watching and making sure everything was connected correctly and moved somewhere I presume out of the way without causing and more damage to the tracks, since they will have to repair the track too.
Just a reminder...those people "standing around" are doing more than you think. It is usually the case that the person sitting in the operator 's seat can't see the results of his control inputs to his machine. In many situations the operator doesn't do anything without direction from someone else. Often the person who can see, for instance, the relationship between a wheelset or a whole truck and the rails on which it is desired to place it is not visible to the operator either. The person with "eyes on " must inform those directing the machine operators what has to move which way and how far, and they in turn must issue detailed instructions to the machine operators. In the usually noisy environment of a railroad wreck, much of this is done with hand signals. In addition to those already mentioned, there are "ground hands ", who shift, place, and remove hooks, chains, jacks and blocking and apply various man-portable tools and fixtures. There are also those who watch the larger scale of the task with an eye to safety and efficiency, watching such things as boom angles and clearances and who might decide, for instance, "We can't move this end of the locomotive the final ten or twelve inches Eastward without setting the load down and repositioning our equipment, so we'll call over a big 'dozer or two and shove the track Westward until we can set the wheels down on the rails.' Most of these people are directly involved in what is happening or is about to happen.
I read about the accident that day! Sources say that the water tanker became stuck on the railroad crossing within the area. The truck's driver also survived. I knew that Amtrak's new locomotive was involved in the collision. It will likely be brought back to the shop in Sacramento for repairs. Also surprising is the truck's chassis wedged beneath the locomotive.
I was aboard 14 that day, in the first coach behind the baggage car. I can tell you there was no frantic horn action nor detectable slowing as we went into emergency, so it was apparent to me that the truck driver pulled out in front of the train, unless the engineer was really not paying attention. We did go into emergency, as the car immediately filled with brake shoe smoke, but the engineer must have grabbed the air right before impact.
That's awful! People supposed stop at RR stop signs (there are stop signs) and look both way before crossing. You can easily see locomotive headlights are not a problem for your patience wait. Any train can be slow or high speed freight trains as well high speed passenger trains too.
@@TheBandit7613 There was no last minute horn action, nor did the train noticeably slow prior to impact. If the truck was stuck on the tracks, I think it’s safe to assume the engineer would have jammed on the air brakes and been blowing the horn like hell. I was in the first coach behind the baggage car.
Sixteen people were transported to the hospital, including the truck driver. Fourteen were treated and released. That includes one passenger that collapsed as passengers were being put on motor coaches at Moorpark City Hall to transport us back to LA Union Station. I was aboard 14. I broke a fingernail, but that wasn’t counted as an injury😂
@@GaryBickford Well, gee, I guess that's just too many to even talk about, right? And, of course, all 200,000 are equally busy and dangerous, yeah, never mind!
@@SRBrown9032 In a previous reply to another comment I noted that, with an average of $1,000,000 per crossing, if even 10% of them were to be upgraded that would cost $20 billion. But other problems have prevented large scale upgrades, although the worst ones are slowly being done. Those on public roads often are subject to over a decade of litigation between rail companies, governments, local landowners and businesses, and politicians, especially when the upgrades require major traffic disruption due to construction. Also many crossings are privately owned, which means it is difficult to justify public expenditure. And in many cases there is really no possible alternative for geographic or other reasons. One example - the Powell Street crossing in Portland Oregon was first targeted for upgrade probably in the 1940s. It was finally completed in the 1990s, involving the cooperation of City, State, and Federal governments plus the railroads, plus local property owners who lost their businesses. So in sum, the worst crossings are getting converted. But it's expensive, difficult, and subject to the political and legal process.
@@GaryBickford Thanks for the thoughtful and informative reply. Clearly you have an abiding interest in railroads and railroading, as do I. My dad worked for the SP for nearly 40 years, mainly in Portland where I grew up, and as a child I wanted to be an engineer. I find $1M to be a reasonable sum and would support a public works project to spend $20B over the next decade to go after the ones like Powell Street. I'm not a great fan of the government simply subsidizing private enterprise, however, so perhaps an "unregulated crossing tax" based on crossing traffic could be levied on train operators, including Amtrak.
@@SRBrown9032 Hi, thanks 😉. Back in the 1960s, when most railroads were in danger of bankruptcy and looking for government intervention, I believed that this was an opportunity for the government to create a national rail system analogous to the Federal Highway system. The Feds could buy the major trackage from the railroads, and allow the railroad companies to free themselves from their financial morass and become operators of all the rolling stock. This could have been paid for by giving those companies special discounts or free transit over the rails for some period of time. I won't go into all the details here. The government could thus do what they do best, operate fixed infrastructure such as highways, rivers, canals, airways, etc. At the same time the rail companies could become fast-rising train operators, able to respond to any perceived market with a quick response. The rail companies would become debt-free, competitive and simpler to operate. Then the government could open the tracks to any potential operator with an idea for a train route product, including passenger rail, subject to meeting required vehicle and operating standards and paying the standard rates. This would make the rail system into a competitive market similar to the highways. And the government could rationalize the main lines, use it's powers to expand all main lines to double or quadruple tracks, and establish the same process of dynamically expanding according to community needs. Instead, the government did the opposite - let the rail companies keep the rails and create Amtrak as an entity guaranteed to never be profitable or efficient - the worst possible result.
Any derailment is bad news and bad press for the Industry. Side note I AM low key jealous that it's taking so long for ALCs to make their way onto FLORIDA Amtrak trains.
Number 300 will be repaired . Not badly damaged. Not great looking but kept the crew safe. Since they are retiring the G.E.'s , this one may get retired.
The weight of the water truck caused the locos to slow at a very high rate (from 66 mph to 0 in only 1/4 mile). The weight of the cars behind it buckled, causing them to derail ("accordian") damaging tracks underneath.
@@Greatdome99 that's very suprising i didn't think the water truck would cause the locos to slow like that considering each one weighs about 260k pounds.
Yikes. I hope the truck driver was ok. I'm surprised so many cars derailed with no rollovers or major injuries. Police really need to crack down on rail crossing violators. The police are much gentler than the laws of physics.
Seems a little patience and consideration for others could have avoided this whole mess. Pretty nifty pieces of equipment to help re-seat the rail cars.
This Amtrak train was heading to Seattle, it never made it due to a truck driver that didn't stop at the railroad crossing. Trains always have the right of way. Road vehicles must stop at all railroad crossings at all times. I can't stressed that enough. When will people learn!!!!.
The truck that was wrapped around the front of 300 had a water tank on it that was hurled into the field between the tracks and the industry to the south.
It's quite disturbing that P42 #74 was involved in another accident. The other one being the derailment in Montana back in September of 2021, but only the coaches derailed, not the locomotive #38 and #74.
In India there is not a single unmanned railway crossing, US should learn from India, we have embarked on building rail over bridges on all railway crossings
catastrophic problem with railway crossings. Have you noticed that in the USA there are still wooden sleepers on the railways and there is not a single electrified line, unlike in India. But the saddest thing is that the trains go off the tracks every day every day!
IIRC there are roughly 32,000 grade crossings in the US. Upgrading them would likely cost $1,000,000 each. So even upgrading the worst 10% would cost $3 billion. Often when such an upgrade is needed there is a litigation delay of 10 to 15 years between the rail company(s), the governments, and the local landowners.
Nice video. Really shows what the scene looks like and how crews are cleaning up.
Great video!!!
By the way, the truck was NOT stuck on the tracks. The driver, a Ventura County employee, driving a Ventura County water truck, pulled out directly into the patch of the train. It was so fast and close to the approaching train, the engineer had no time to react. 14 hit the truck at 66 MPH. The track speed in the portion of the Santa Barbara sub is 70 MPH.
191 passengers, 17 crew members. The engineer complained of chest pain from hitting the desk of locomotive. He will be ok.
I never bought the nonsense about the truck being stuck on a track basically another incident of someone trying to beat the train which ended up badly.
So it's not a rail crash, it's a road crash which coincidentally involved a train. The Eurosprinter seems to have held up very well in the impact.
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Ventura County has one huge bill coming their way.
The cars might just require inspection. The P42 likewise. The charger likely could go back north to Siemens for repairs. Besides the pain the engineer suffered from hitting the desk I know from my EMS days all that force created from a 66 mph object striking a stationary object had to go somewhere. The engineer has to deal with the flashbacks of not being able to do anything. This is amazing coverage you got while staying enough away to not be in the way. The railroad is very good at clearing up incidents.
Thanks for taking the time to record and share this. It was very interesting for me to see how re-railing is done.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again. I don't feel bad for this idiot truck driver. This is what happens or can happen when idiots try to beat a train. This truck driver is extremely lucky that non of the passengers or crew have died or was seriously injured. he is probably most likely at a trauma center for his injuries and most likely the guilt he has for creating this big disaster. I feel extremely bad for the crew and passengers onboard hope they all recover well and I hope the engineer is okay.
You can be assured that the engineer is going to suffer from PTSD.
Not just the engineer but the other crew members and passengers.
Exactly! I have absolutely no pity for that truck driver for being super dumb unless that truck driver was deaf and there were no crossing gates at that intersection where the impact happened.
@@dng2000 as a truck driver myself im impared if he ignored traffic laws we are trained especially if there is no crossing light you are to stop and look before you proceed
@@sonicriser699that is common sense for everyone to follow! We are taught to do the same when crossing the street and stop sings too ! Poor judgement/ lack of patience is the likely cause here with or without crossing guards!!!
I just came across this excellent video. Well done! I was aboard 14 that day in the first coach behind the baggage car.
I was chatting with my seatmate about how pleasant it was to take Amtrak and not have to worry about anything when BOOM! It took me about a second to realize we were on the ground. The coach started leaning to the left, and two words went through my brain: STAY UPRIGHT! Then it corrected, leaned to the right, back again to the left, and finally righted itself and we ground to a noisy stop. It all took about twenty seconds and about a thousand feet.
0/10 would not recommend. This happened almost a year to the day after the fatal derailment of the Southwest Chief in Missouri under similar circumstances.
I’m 99% sure the truck pulled out in front of us, as there was no frantic horn action nor noticeable deceleration. The engineer did throw it into emergency at the last second, as the car filled with brake shoe smoke. Some people got a little panicky, thinking the car was on fire, and were ready to pop the windows and jump for it when a car attendant shouted from the lower level, “We are evacuating the train. Please grab your belongings and proceed downstairs and out of the car in an orderly fashion.”
Emergency crews were on the scene before everyone could get off the train. I was asked by an EMT for my name and if I was hurt. I had cracked a fingernail, but obviously nothing serious. I got tagged with a blue wristband to signify I had been attended to.
All passengers made their way to either the grade crossing just ahead of the locomotive or the one behind the train where the collision occurred. After a long wait on the side roads adjacent to Pentair Water Group, the industry to the south of the tracks, city buses picked us up and took us to Moorpark City Hall. From there, Amtrak had motor coaches take us back to LA Union Station.
It was a memorable day.
Wonderful to see how well built the Siemens Chargers are, glad the crew and passengers are alright.
unreliable locomotive
@@katzgarP42s weren’t exactly the pinnacle of reliability either…. My only complaint about the Chargers vs. the P42s is those giant windows, which just invite things to come smashing through them.
That’s the power of German engineering!
The Chargers learned from Kraus Maffei to build in better cooling, so they have those huge side inputs like the tunnel motor modification. They didn't think to look if there was a gotcha, and there is, you don't always want that much cooling. GM built into the roof of their TM locomotives louvers to trap some of the waste heat inside the car body to keep the components from freezing, opening and closing automatically on a thermostat. So, Chargers run into the Sierras and promptly freeze up in the snow. Oh goodie.
@@jaanfo3874p😊😊😅
Well Done!
Thank you for the time and effort!
Excellent coverage of the cleanup process. Those guys working the CATS are good.
Great video. It covered everything very well. Sure glad the engineer and crew with passengers included are all ok. 🙏👍
Great video !! Thank you for sharing it. James.
Nice video !! When will people treat RR crossings with respect ?? We all learned from a young age, Stop, Look and Listen ???????? These incidents will continue to happen until drivers start to obey basic safety when approaching ANY railroad crossing either marked or unmarked. Here in Florida we have had a number of incidents with Brightline trains hitting vehicles that go around crossing gates. And it's insane to have QUIET ZONES where trains are not able to use horns to alert motorist of the approaching train. If you go around gates and get hit, it's on you !!!! you will probably all eternity to think about it.
They ought to have video at all Crossings that record people who go around the arms unless they have malfunctioned. Then they ought to stick them with a $5,000 fine that way they get the message. If they can't pay it then they need to spend 1 month in jail.
@@eddielane9569 They didn’t go around the barricades. The truck broke down on the Tracks.
The crash occurred at a private crossing. Private crossings are not required to have gates or warning lights.
I know it’s a little late, but great footage of the derailment cleanup!!! Sucks that another Amtrak trainset is out of service, while Amtrak is struggling with a depleted supply of cars! What about the two locos? Have ALC 300 or P-42DC #74 been repaired?
Crazy! Ive always wanted to ride that train having done the Surfliner. I never ever thought about it derailing though!
Cool vid, thanks for uploading!
Great footage of the derailment
Thanks for documenting this! I grew up not far away from the area in Thousand Oaks and occasionally take the train from Burbank airport to Moorpark and back, and as a kid rode the Starlight from Simi to "San Francisco" as a kid with my family. It's sad to see this happen, but considering how it COULD have gone, it's a miracle it concluded how it did. I am curious to see what happens in the courts as it sounds like a county vehicle caused the crash so one government agency against another is going to get UGLY!
Amtrak is NOT a government agency. Is a private corporation that has not made a dime in 50 years and the US tax payers keep it afloat, as congress hold the purse strings and the CEO answers to them.
You mean county vs. railroads. As long as all the RR lights and signage is correct, the county will submit the bill to their insurance company and they will work out a settlement.
You wouldn’t want to be on an Amtrak train when there’s an accident. Ny to Florida was supposed to be an enjoyable trip, but train hit a truck in Virginia and we had an major delay. Only minor injuries. Will try to take train in 2024 to Florida if I decide not to dry down.
Not sure what type of camera you are using, but amazing footage. Thanks for sharing!
Will the GE Genesis be okay?
I went by about 1:30 or so and there were some buses up by the tracks and another one being wedged into one of the small access roads from 118, a little tight turn for them. Still quite a few emergency vehicles in the area, many up at the tracks and then back down to 118 and a few parked nearby. Pretty lucky to not have more damage or get farther off the rails, etc.
I literaly live in the next town over, me and my mom were acutaly blocked by traffic because of that derailment, its also cool to see how they rerail trains in ameirca!
Sucks this happened at all, and especially to the very first ALC-42. Glad all were alright. Grew up near this area.
Very cool video thank you! It would be great to have descriptions of the work on screen, would love to know more about the process. ( maybe someday if someone has time ?)
So relieved this wasn’t worse, hope the crew is ok.
Thank God everyone safety.I ,I remember when they introduced #300 and #301
Great footage!
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Is the ALC 42 gonna get fixed
Dang that sucks! That loco was brand new too. First crash with the Siemens ALP-40s?
*ALC-42
It’s not the first.
Oh I thought it was the first
I assume after an incident like this, all of the cars and locomotives have to undergo a thorough safety inspection, But would they just travel under their own power to the closest maintenance yard? Also assuming they cant be loaded on flatbeds.
They were pulled by a freight locomotive to Oxnard Yard at low speed, which can be seen in another video. The dining car’s suspension seems to be shot which will hamper any attempts to move it on the rails without serious repairs, the other cars all appear to be mobile so they will likely get some inspections and minor repair work so they can be moved to Amtrak’s 8th Street Yard in LA for any serious work. Most if not all of the wheels will need to be replaced at a minimum and you can see additional brake lines in the video where the train is being moved to Oxnard so the brake lines and other conduits under the cars are likely damaged and will need replacement.
@@jaanfo3874 Thank you so much. The logistics of something like this is fascinating to me.
I'm getting on that train first week of August. I hope that driver isn't back on the job then. But I'm glad he wasn't seriously injured.
So THATS what the cutout on the top is. I thought that was a cover to install a higher headlight setup for companies that do that.
In Poland, hydrogen locomotives are currently being tested mainly for freight transport They are very ecological and clean the air
Good ol Joshua Grading cleaning up another wreck!! Those guys put in some work
Was there a replacment bus service, were the trains cancelled ???
AWESOME footage!💯
Great video! Thanks
Glad to know the crew are OK. Great video. I know these guys know exactly what they're doing. But cutting the rail under a listing locomotive is *not* on my Top 10 list of things to do!
Good camera work. Entertaining video.
Very impressive !!😢
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What is the first locomotive type?
Nice footage of the wreckage. Wish I was able to see it for myself.
one thing i dont like about the ALC42 is the front windshield design. Thats a lot of glass
How many of those guys are actually doing something other than just standing around?
All of them.
Great video ,Those guys know their stuff
nice video i was on the derailment that involved 74 in Montana
Glad it was only minor injuries. Looked bad on the front of 300, but very cool coverage of the rerailing.
they need a army helicopter with a hook on it to lift the trains up on the tracks jokeing.
@@bendavis6722 the heaviest load lifted by an helicopter is like 25 tons or less, less than half of the weight of a passenger train car
I'm pretty sure the lead engine (ALC-42 #300) will not be scrapped, I think they will be able to repair it
Thankfully it’s not a monocoque design like the p-42 or else it would be scrapped
@@darryldworak6356 300 shpould be spared, it doesnt look totaled to me. Unlike ACS-64's 601 and 627 in the Northeast Regional, those are totaled and pending scrap
@RobertPaniagua or SC44 1402, which was totally wrecked and destroyed on the Point Defiance Bypass route on December 2017
Pretty ignorant about the railroad, but never seen an engine like that. Can't even remember the last time I saw a passenger train. Great video, interesting to see how they set the engine back on the tracks. Do they set the engines and cars back on the tracks by lifting the entire engine or car, or by lifting front and then back?
how was it ignorant if it wasn't the railroads fault? bc i was in that crash
Lui459 Trackside, Great video! Who is the retail contractor? Very quick & smooth. Time is money, nice work 💪🚂
Very good video. Well done. Thanks.
Normally this wouldn't be a big deal but the wreckage damaged the track.
Would love to know about the background of the work crew, if anybody knows and can share. Where are they based? Do the work for Amtrak or a private company?
Probably a private company. Could be Amtrak, but most derails (there are more than you think) and re-rail work is performed by a company specializing in that type of work. There is a whole very large industry out there that performs all sorts of railroad support work from hundreds of companies....
Typically they are contacted crews that specialize in derailment restoration. Amtrak or the railroad can’t afford to keep the crews and equipment on standby until needed and hopefully in the right location when needed. In the Midwest the two big ones are Gorman Railroad Services and Hulcher. And, that’s all they do.
@@robertwazniak9495 R. J. Corman in the Midwest.
OH NO the alc-42 charger
Is this the first Alc 42 to crash at least we got to see a crash test to see how well it did in a crash and I did pretty good not a lot of damage
P42 74 must have a curse of it or something this the second wreck its been in this wreck and then the 2021 Montana wreck it was the leader but yikes gives me Amtrak 47 vibes
I cannot believe how many derailment Amtrak is involved in. Less than 24 months ago,the Montana derailment happened. Is the track not maintained in the states?
you better read and watch first before commenting stupid things.
They are restricted from using horns in many places and by their nature swerving to avoid some idiot that decides to ignore warning and safety devices and it is somehow Amtraks fault?
Just like any other construction site 6 people standing around for every 3 working.
Exactly 😂
know they were watching and making sure everything was connected correctly and moved somewhere I presume out of the way without causing and more damage to the tracks, since they will have to repair the track too.
Just a reminder...those people "standing around" are doing more than you think. It is usually the case that the person sitting in the operator 's seat can't see the results of his control inputs to his machine. In many situations the operator doesn't do anything without direction from someone else. Often the person who can see, for instance, the relationship between a wheelset or a whole truck and the rails on which it is desired to place it is not visible to the operator either. The person with "eyes on " must inform those directing the machine operators what has to move which way and how far, and they in turn must issue detailed instructions to the machine operators. In the usually noisy environment of a railroad wreck, much of this is done with hand signals. In addition to those already mentioned, there are "ground hands ", who shift, place, and remove hooks, chains, jacks and blocking and apply various man-portable tools and fixtures. There are also those who watch the larger scale of the task with an eye to safety and efficiency, watching such things as boom angles and clearances and who might decide, for instance, "We can't move this end of the locomotive the final ten or twelve inches Eastward without setting the load down and repositioning our equipment, so we'll call over a big 'dozer or two and shove the track Westward until we can set the wheels down on the rails.'
Most of these people are directly involved in what is happening or is about to happen.
@@davidtempleton2622 You must have a stand around job easy money.
Sucks to be an engineer on that junk when a straight truck takes you out. Wait until they run down south and a log truck gets in the way.
I read about the accident that day! Sources say that the water tanker became stuck on the railroad crossing within the area. The truck's driver also survived.
I knew that Amtrak's new locomotive was involved in the collision. It will likely be brought back to the shop in Sacramento for repairs. Also surprising is the truck's chassis wedged beneath the locomotive.
That’s correct
the driver drove in front of the train as it was approaching, didn't get stuck just ignorant
I was aboard 14 that day, in the first coach behind the baggage car. I can tell you there was no frantic horn action nor detectable slowing as we went into emergency, so it was apparent to me that the truck driver pulled out in front of the train, unless the engineer was really not paying attention.
We did go into emergency, as the car immediately filled with brake shoe smoke, but the engineer must have grabbed the air right before impact.
That's awful! People supposed stop at RR stop signs (there are stop signs) and look both way before crossing. You can easily see locomotive headlights are not a problem for your patience wait. Any train can be slow or high speed freight trains as well high speed passenger trains too.
People don’t learn. Really should just get rid of at grade crossings
It was a rural raised gravel crossing and I think the truck was stuck.
@@TheBandit7613 There was no last minute horn action, nor did the train noticeably slow prior to impact. If the truck was stuck on the tracks, I think it’s safe to assume the engineer would have jammed on the air brakes and been blowing the horn like hell.
I was in the first coach behind the baggage car.
SEE TRACKS THINK TRAIN!!!!!!
I'm not sure if the truck drivers head injury happened during the crash or after depending on how mad the engineer was
Excellent video.
Thank God no one was injured or killed in the Train Accident
around a dozen people were injured
The truck driver received head injury. All other injuries were minor but enough to bring out the ambulance chasers
Who told you no one was injured?
@@mxderateprod Holly cow a dozen people man
Sixteen people were transported to the hospital, including the truck driver. Fourteen were treated and released. That includes one passenger that collapsed as passengers were being put on motor coaches at Moorpark City Hall to transport us back to LA Union Station.
I was aboard 14. I broke a fingernail, but that wasn’t counted as an injury😂
Sure beats how things were cleaned up in the good ole days, using a big hook and crew.
Can I assume the crossing was at grade and unguarded? How many upgrades to guarded would the cost of this "accident" cover?
There are about 200,000 of these in the US, and 100,000 in Europe per Wikipedia.
@@GaryBickford Well, gee, I guess that's just too many to even talk about, right? And, of course, all 200,000 are equally busy and dangerous, yeah, never mind!
@@SRBrown9032 In a previous reply to another comment I noted that, with an average of $1,000,000 per crossing, if even 10% of them were to be upgraded that would cost $20 billion. But other problems have prevented large scale upgrades, although the worst ones are slowly being done. Those on public roads often are subject to over a decade of litigation between rail companies, governments, local landowners and businesses, and politicians, especially when the upgrades require major traffic disruption due to construction. Also many crossings are privately owned, which means it is difficult to justify public expenditure. And in many cases there is really no possible alternative for geographic or other reasons.
One example - the Powell Street crossing in Portland Oregon was first targeted for upgrade probably in the 1940s. It was finally completed in the 1990s, involving the cooperation of City, State, and Federal governments plus the railroads, plus local property owners who lost their businesses.
So in sum, the worst crossings are getting converted. But it's expensive, difficult, and subject to the political and legal process.
@@GaryBickford Thanks for the thoughtful and informative reply. Clearly you have an abiding interest in railroads and railroading, as do I. My dad worked for the SP for nearly 40 years, mainly in Portland where I grew up, and as a child I wanted to be an engineer. I find $1M to be a reasonable sum and would support a public works project to spend $20B over the next decade to go after the ones like Powell Street. I'm not a great fan of the government simply subsidizing private enterprise, however, so perhaps an "unregulated crossing tax" based on crossing traffic could be levied on train operators, including Amtrak.
@@SRBrown9032 Hi, thanks 😉. Back in the 1960s, when most railroads were in danger of bankruptcy and looking for government intervention, I believed that this was an opportunity for the government to create a national rail system analogous to the Federal Highway system. The Feds could buy the major trackage from the railroads, and allow the railroad companies to free themselves from their financial morass and become operators of all the rolling stock. This could have been paid for by giving those companies special discounts or free transit over the rails for some period of time. I won't go into all the details here.
The government could thus do what they do best, operate fixed infrastructure such as highways, rivers, canals, airways, etc. At the same time the rail companies could become fast-rising train operators, able to respond to any perceived market with a quick response. The rail companies would become debt-free, competitive and simpler to operate.
Then the government could open the tracks to any potential operator with an idea for a train route product, including passenger rail, subject to meeting required vehicle and operating standards and paying the standard rates.
This would make the rail system into a competitive market similar to the highways. And the government could rationalize the main lines, use it's powers to expand all main lines to double or quadruple tracks, and establish the same process of dynamically expanding according to community needs.
Instead, the government did the opposite - let the rail companies keep the rails and create Amtrak as an entity guaranteed to never be profitable or efficient - the worst possible result.
We are losing
ALC 42’s if we lose them all we will be back to running p42’s
I hope the county is well insured.
I think dot will have look at design on this new locomotive look like cab little bit low lucky still on track.
There is not a lot of protection on the front of these new design locomotives!
Type complete sentences or don't fucking type...
So lucky to have pretty decent access for the side booms. They'll make short work of this.
Be ready Railfans of this subdivision a massive LOF67 or LOF65 will roll into town.
Any derailment is bad news and bad press for the Industry. Side note I AM low key jealous that it's taking so long for ALCs to make their way onto FLORIDA Amtrak trains.
How does one tell his insurance company I derailed a train
I hope Amtrack and the company that owns the track sue the water company and driver for every cent they have.
Their first ALC gone.. glad there was no casualties
Number 300 will be repaired . Not badly damaged. Not great looking but kept the crew safe. Since they are retiring the G.E.'s , this one may get retired.
@@tommachut7167 Probably
Great video, But I'm still upset about the charger that was wrecked, And I don't know if it gets repaired or not.
It will get repaired
Oh thank god It's getting repaired.
Should have scrapped the charger ugly monstrosities p42s anyday & everyday!!!!
What, NO!!! You got to be kidding me Right!
@@lui459 will the other locomotive be repaired?
This is the first time I've seen a locomotive with a flat tire.
😁😂
These men certainly know what they’re doing!
Whoever that driver works for is gonna be out of a lot of money for this extensive damage that he done. His career may be over.
😮😅 2:15
How did the train derail? Was the water truck just too heavy or did the trailer slip under the wheels of the train causing it to derail
Water truck got stuck on crossing and dragged the chassis about half a mile
The weight of the water truck caused the locos to slow at a very high rate (from 66 mph to 0 in only 1/4 mile). The weight of the cars behind it buckled, causing them to derail ("accordian") damaging tracks underneath.
I only saw two cars truly off the rails.
@@Greatdome99 I don’t see an accordion . Their couplers actually are designed so that does not happen.
@@Greatdome99 that's very suprising i didn't think the water truck would cause the locos to slow like that considering each one weighs about 260k pounds.
Im sure 300 and 74 will be repaired since they both have removable noses
Actually 74 has damage to its cow catcher not it’s frame
Yikes. I hope the truck driver was ok. I'm surprised so many cars derailed with no rollovers or major injuries.
Police really need to crack down on rail crossing violators. The police are much gentler than the laws of physics.
it's commifornia. there are no laws. and they're actively trying to get rid of law enforcement. O.o
Seems a little patience and consideration for others could have avoided this whole mess.
Pretty nifty pieces of equipment to help re-seat the rail cars.
Looks like it was harder to clean up the spilt drinks in the bar car than put the train back on the tracks.
This is like the 20th train crash now in 2023
I would like to see a list… maybe if you include freight.
thank you, Rain Man...
This Amtrak train was heading to Seattle, it never made it due to a truck driver that didn't stop at the railroad crossing. Trains always have the right of way. Road vehicles must stop at all railroad crossings at all times. I can't stressed that enough. When will people learn!!!!.
You don't need to stress it - everyone fucking knows it. One guy ignored it. No youtube blowhard is going to change that.
No sh*t, really?
This engine #47 pulled us to New Orleans back 2017
Great video! You should be a cinematographer!
ALC-42 #300. The first in the series. SMH.
Train diesel car destroyed, train operation delayed. Wondering if your car insurance company will pay the full price?
Great Job using the CAT side boom to replace the train on the rails.
What water tank did the train hit?
the one on the track?
The truck that was wrapped around the front of 300 had a water tank on it that was hurled into the field between the tracks and the industry to the south.
Look at how many men are just standing around watching one or 2 working.
This video quality is great. What camera did you use to film this? I want the same one you have.
Great video! It can't have been much fun getting everything back onto the tracks so close to all of those overhead power lines ...
Who pays for all this damage?
Likely Ventura County Insurance, eventually the residents of Ventura County @ some point.
@@jamessimms415 which means all tax payers.
This is at least the second collision involving a Charger within the last couple of months. Bad omens?
they are crap
That doesn't hold true for Brightline & VIA Rail, their Chargers have been quite reliable, seems to be an Amtrak problem
@@GamingRailfannerisn’t the Amtrak version of the Charger different from VIA’s or Brightline’s?
Nobody gave you a hard time? Thats as incredible as the footage. I wish the RTA was this lax
It's quite disturbing that P42 #74 was involved in another accident. The other one being the derailment in Montana back in September of 2021, but only the coaches derailed, not the locomotive #38 and #74.
In India there is not a single unmanned railway crossing, US should learn from India, we have embarked on building rail over bridges on all railway crossings
catastrophic problem with railway crossings. Have you noticed that in the USA there are still wooden sleepers on the railways and there is not a single electrified line, unlike in India. But the saddest thing is that the trains go off the tracks every day every day!
All this because someone didn't take the time to look properly....... glad these crossings are comparatively rare in the UK
IIRC there are roughly 32,000 grade crossings in the US. Upgrading them would likely cost $1,000,000 each. So even upgrading the worst 10% would cost $3 billion. Often when such an upgrade is needed there is a litigation delay of 10 to 15 years between the rail company(s), the governments, and the local landowners.
that will buff rite out. no worry