My great aunt is a lesbian and spoke at my wedding. Her partner died of cancer and I loved them both. I believe God will deal with it. It's my job to love her.
That's so sad. Condoning public disrespect God's laws. It's going to sound harsh no matter what, but God holds us accountable for our accessory to sin as well.
When my own friends and family question me about the churches stance and tell me that it's hateful and bigoted, wondering how I can still follow them. I answer by pointing out I've never brought up to them their own sexual sin in any way, I'm more focused on solving my own by learning how to put God first in all things. That's actually sparked conversations where we're honest with each other and find that trust and openness. Living the Christian life is in essence self sacrificial in all ways, deny yourself and pick up your cross, whatever thing you love most about this world is what is coming between you and God. It's a narrow road
Hi Jackie and Kim..i really appreciate your boldness in discussing these topics that no one wants to talk about. But people are suffering in silence. Your so true and honest and Kim God bless you for being rave enough to fight the good fight. God bless you all at Ascension.
I've never clicked on a video so fast. This particular scenario is one I've struggled with as I have a lot of SSA people in my life who I love and want to love properly. Thank you for helping!
You must know a lot of people since only 3% of the population are homosexuals. The most homosexual city in the US is San Francisco and their ovulation is just 6.25% homosexual.
@@lloydbraun6026 Y'know, when somebody states that there are a lot of something, they are speaking relatively in the first place. Maybe OP knows 1 or 3, but that is a lot. Gay people also don't have to submit to studies or things like that. Things told in confidence and such.
@@lloydbraun6026 or she happens to know the right people. OR what's more likely, people have been afraid of admitting they experience SSA so it goes largely under-reported. So it's actually more than 3%...
I really wish our clergy had been speaking about sexuality in a truthful way for decades. We have so much legwork to do and its extra heavy. I like the book Made This Way. Great way for parents to talk about these issues to teens and even(unfortunately) young kids.
@@CedanyTheAlaskan I believe that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is loving and not hateful. Some people on here are saying the Church's teaching on homosexuality is hateful but they couldn't be further from the truth.
It is important for Catholics to remember this, people with ssa are not our enemies, not are they irredeemable, they are souls in need of extra care and guidance concerning their disordered desires and thoughts, and a person suffering from this has the same likely hood of achieving sainthood as any other person.
"Do not identify yourself as your desires. Let God give you your identity." 1:26 "Loving someone is desiring heaven for them." You are good. I just bought 'Made for Love: Same-Sex Attraction and the Catholic Church' by Fr. Mike Schmitz as I was curious what he says. A couple years ago I bought a book called 'Christian Faith and Same-Sex Attraction' by Fr. Thomas Hopko, which is pretty good and has some interesting insight generally. I was hoping to convert a former professor friend. God bless.
John Chryssavgis says (paraphrasing) that in a unique way each of us before God truly is the "first of sinners." It is a blessing to remember this. God bless you and thank you for your videos and time, Sisters :-)
I just started reading Made for Love, and I think the foreword made some really good points, such as where to and where to not seek for one's identity, and our true identity and God's are intimately connected. Very good...Thank you😊
This modern "woke culture liberal minded secular humanist and hedonistic society " has a good grip on so many people's minds. The comment section proves just that.
But my same-sex-attracted loved one does not see their situation as their "brokenness." In fact. the idea of being "broken" offends them because they have been seeing a secular mental health counselor, rather than a Catholic counselor.
Good for them. Why should you want them to see themselves as broken? I am so happy they are seeing a secular counsellor because I’m sure they hear enough about how they are broken from the people who are supposed to love them.
Honestly the timing for this couldn’t be better, I came out as Roman Catholic in school awhile ago and I’m getting a lot of hate about it because I believe that LGBTQ actions are bad. Now I need to know how to interact with them to bring them to the truth.
That's tough, how to interact is something I still haven't fully figured out. Good to hear you're still sticking to what you believe is right though. Just remember to be gentle about it. I sometimes let myself get too heated in a conversation and made myself look ridiculous or uncaring when I wasn't gentle as I should've been.
@@stickman3208 It's a good idea to be objective. I have done the same, but on social media, being objective is difficult. Since a person cannot see your face or hear your expression, it is easy to assume the worst. I've had this happen to me many times, and well, I don't have a social media anymore because of that haha. If I were to give any advice, it would be to never talk across text in social media or on phones for these difficult topics. You may already do this, but I did not, and upset many people in situations I might otherwise not have at all. It's also possible that they would still upset, but the chance they might not be was there. So yeah, don't over-sugarcoat, but also don't be belligerent. I've also spoken to people in ways I thought was fine because it was technically true, but I wasn't being sensitive to the struggles of the person I was talking to, and that has landed me into trouble as well. I thought that ideally everyone should take anything technically true without any problems, and if we disagreed on the truth, we would just have a polite discussion. It almost never ended up that way, and I easily upset people I loved dearly with that logic. I had many great friendships in high school, which became difficult afterwards with our differences once I took an interest to these difficult topics, partly because of how people perceived others who disagreed with them on these topics, but also because of my mistakes on social media. I pray you will not have the same issues that I ran into, and can keep good friendships with those you have them with now. Also, I hope my paragraphs aren't much of a chore to get through, I wrote more than I intended.
Will they listen to you? In the 1990s, you wouldn't have experienced the same hate in Catholic school. It just shows how bad things are with some Catholic school in America. If you are in Poland now, you will not have the same problem
I don't understand why it's considered a sin for two human beings falling in love with one another. In my opinion i believe that anyone can make it to heaven despite what that person's sexuality is as long as they do right in the lord eyes and study his word everyday and have a relationship with GOD himself as well.
This is an honest question and I hope it doesn’t offend you in anyway: Is studying His word of any worth if you don’t actually follow it? Didn’t He clearly say that if you love Him you will keep His commandments?
If I may reply, we have very worldly ideas about love and sex due to the messages around us. What the Church believes is that there are different types of love, all of which are noble and good. However, for some reason, society places the most emphasis on romantic love. There is so much more to life than this, and how much heartbreak comes from people pining over finding “the one” or getting obsessed over crushes? There is nobility in loving each other as friends. The Church teaches that marriage is a vocation, which is basically the path God calls you towards to reach Heaven. Marriage is not believed to be bliss, it is work. Everyone will receive a vocation, but for a lot of people it is not marriage. It is not wrong to love someone, but our ideas of love get twisted by the messages that surround us. Only God as our Creator can know what will make us happy and lead us to happiness, and pure happiness is having a relationship with Him.
@@Jml15 there is a clear double-standard here though. Why is it that people bring up that love is romanticized and sexualized only when it’s a homosexual scenario? Two loving same sex people can love each other the same exact way that a heterosexual couple does, and can also have great friends just like they do. They can also adopt and raise children out of foster homes, which by the way they do at a higher rate than Christians do. These are all good things. If you have a husband or knows a loving couple and you see that kind of joy and the incredible joy that they have with their kids…why wouldn’t you want that for a person who only has same sex attraction as well?
So if you're talking to someone you love, and you know they're doing things that are seriously dangerous, you say nothing, because to say something about that is not loving?
@@dakotaescher1 The very act is dangerous to one's eternal soul because it is contrary to what our bodies are made for. Certainly, regardless of what they say or believe they deserve to be loved like the rest of God's children.
I felt like god wanted to pray about my husbands family.i don't want to push anybody,and i just have remind that they not into God as much as you are.sparking a conversation is much better then just going for.but i do understand that theres no easy way to do this.
I really try to be nice to Christians when I watch their videos about this topic because I appreciate that they’re trying to be nice. But as soon as you call the love that I have for my girlfriend a sin, I can’t get past that. How is loving someone a sin? Please explain why my loving and looking out for and caring for my partner, who happens to also be female, is something that God would not approve of or indoors? God is all about love that is what Christians are constantly trying to tell me. But it’s really hard to have a conversation about this when the first thing Christians bring up is that what I am doing is sinful.
Hey Kaitlyn, thank you for sharing your experience! I don’t know if this will help explain it, it’s just a brief overlook on the why, but maybe it’ll help bring up some of the points you want to know. th-cam.com/video/bLrRfwpvERU/w-d-xo.html This video helped me a lot with beginning to understand/consider Church teaching on when I was coming into the Church 3 years ago. It’s just a start! It might be uncomfortable like it was for me to watch at first since it’s a sensitive issue, but I hope it helps! Just be gentle with however you react/respond when watching it! That helped me in listening and trying to understand. God bless you and your girlfriend-both of you take care. 🌻
Hi Kaitlyn darling, Im totally with u in that confussion of the sin scandal and all that, It can be really ambiguos u know, love but dont love people of ur same sex... quite coffusing, dont worry Ive been through that before, and I can tell u that lovin her is not a sin, actually is what ure called to do here in earth...
But how much u love her? Would u be willing to sacriffice ur relationship for preventing her of commiting a sin? Remember love is not a sin, but the act of sex is and so calling her ur grlfriend, u actually love 2 women or more your mom, your grlfriend, and your female friends but not because u love ur mom or friends means that u gotta have sex with them and all that...
There are a lot of ways to love people, but which of those ways is better for the people u love, the one that will aproach u and the others (in this case ur grlfriend) to heaven, I think thats even loving way much more than just the simple denommination of "couple" , being willing to give up everything for the best of ur beloved... that is love
U desser an ennourmous and inconditional love, one u could have never dreamed of, one that can overcome whichever trouble u might find urself in, one than can approach u both (u and ur grlfriend) even more
I feel like this is all coming from the perspective of someone who has SSA but understands that it's against Church teaching and recognizes its sinfulness. What do you do about someone who is living in unapologetic defiance of Church teaching, still claims Catholicism, and asserts the Church is wrong on this question and has been wrong from day 1? I have a friend who's living that way, and I really have no idea where to begin talking to him about this. Edit: Just listened to the end. I know it's inevitable, but it's hard to accept that no matter how delicately, sensitively, or charitably I approach a topic, people will react negatively...
Try the "Third Way" by Blackstone Films. Anyone who lives that way is living in sin and automatically excommunicates themselves, like any other form of adultery.
Pls.pray the rosary and devine mercy chaplet to free all countries from war, diseases, calamities, hunger, corruption, drugs, prostitution, abortion, divorce, vices and all evils.pls pray for peace and joy in all families and home.. ..
I often explain that sin is sin, but there are kinds of sin. There are actionable sins. These are sins that you are only considered sinning after you have done them. For example, lying, cheating, stealing, and even murder. They are sins that you can go your entire life without doing. However, when you do them, you ask for forgiveness and strive to never do them again. The other sins are living sins. These are sins that are passive and ongoing. They are sins that in doing them, you are just in a constant state of sinning. Living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle is one of these sins. Every day that you are living that lifestyle without any remorse or regret, you are taking Jesus's gift of taking your sin and stomping on it. You are essentially telling Jesus, "I know you died on the cross for my sins, but I don't care, this is what I want and I am going to continue doing it." If you struggle with same sex attraction, then that is a temptation you must over come. Lusting after someone of the same sex is no different then a straight man lusting after a woman.
What do you say when you talk to someone about sin that you're not living through, and they say "You can't say that to me because you're not living through it."? I am uncertain if there is anything that can be said, or if that should be the end of the conversation.
I think that mentioning something first like “I don’t and never can fully understand exactly what you are going through - Because I’m not you - just like you don’t fully understand what I’m going through. But we can share similarities and talk about it to better understand each other. And I might be able to help with some of what you are experiencing that I can understand.” Honestly practically anything but “everyone’s felt like that” seems alright to me lol! That saying really bugs me since it’s almost implying that they are overreacting and should be fine, or that it’ll be a phase that they should just shut up about. Just my thoughts!
@@missequestrian3448 Ahh that's a great idea I often forget, some sort of disclaimer. I also think I wrongly dislike using it, because I feel as though it's something obvious that doesn't need to be mentioned, but I forget that other people don't know everything I'm thinking, so I should make an effort to say these things even if I feel it's redundant, as it only would be redundant to myself. Thank you!
You can also share about something sinful that you're struggling with in your own life, and then point out the parallels between. However, always make sure to say something like, "Of course, I can't know the depth and the pain of your struggle. I'm sure it's a very hard thing to conquer."
@@johnsposato5632 That's a good idea, it will take some work to understand how to draw those parallels in a helpful way. Thanks for the suggestion, and yeah that disclaimer seems to be a big one.
I mean, for me, it's real simple. Church teaching only says that we cannot have sex with anybody other than or married spouse, and that must be one person of the opposite sex of us. I don't see why that means we can't be vulnerable with, share fun experiences with, hug, even kiss other people we love. Just because two people can't have sex doesn't mean they can't or don't love each other.
I assume that you’re speaking from a Catholic perspective but you know none of those requirements are in the Bible right? But you are right, even if there was a prohibition on homoeroticism that doesn’t mean that homosexual relationships are sinful by default.
Disagree that Jesus always spoke with kindness. He once said to the Pharisees, “You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil.” - Matthew 12:34
Q: If God thought heteros were a sin, would Jackie be able to have a sexual married relationship with a same sex person even though she has no desire to do that. What then? God wants her to suffer and not connect with her consensual sexuality? Nonsense. So committing a multitude of other sins and messing up anothers life is way worse. Sin is sin is sin. The other one is on the spectrum, but still has enough hetero attraction to stay in the supposed light of the lord? Wow...btw....your innate sexuality does not change. So, check a liar sin on her checklist as well. A true reminder of why I only attend affirming churchs who truly welcome everyone as they are and not if they are willing to pretend. People here need to check themselves too. You are not here to be celebet or deny your innate sexuality. Be yourself and thank God for making you perfectly in his image. LGBT people are a pivotal part of the world and not less than or some sickness that needs to be saved.
God wouldn’t make the only way to reproduce a sin. Using sex outside of its intended purpose is a sin, same sex intercouse, sex before marriage, contraception etc
I just don’t believe being homosexual is immoral, I follow Jesus and he never said anything about it! Same sex attraction is natural, not a choice. I implore other Christians who condemn same-sex love to research the original pre-translation meanings of “homosexual” in the Bible. In translations pre-1948, that word was not even used. The original meaning in Greek was “enslaved male prostitutes” (malakos, malakoi, arsenokotai) which is irrelevant to loving, consensual same-sex partnership. The belief that God sees homosexuality as a sin is misinformed by bad translation. “God has shown me that I should never call anyone impure or unclean” -Acts 10:28. Honestly, I’m disappointed that people are so close-minded on this issue when it affects so many people’s human rights around the world, we as Christians should be fighting for Love and Liberation.
The Churches are the last bastions of bigotry, finding it justified by a man made moral code with divine pretensions. In the Catholic Church they dare to call this code a magisterium, and dare to replace a God given conscience with a man made catechism.
Thank you for your comment Stephen! I am so saddened that Ascension posted this video. I love being a Catholic but these beliefs make it so difficult for me to feel comfortable staying in the church. These beliefs about homosexuality have driven both of my children from the church. The Catholic Church needs to stop this nonsense and focus on the love of Christ which is what we should all be focused on. Homosexuality is not a choice and is therefore part of God’s creation.
If you are talking bout natural...in accordance to the nature of sex.. ..shouldn't the sexual act involve a male and female and be ordered to procreation. Just saying....the homosexual act is not natural. It has no procreative end. According to the catholic church teaching people with homosexual tendencies are called to chastity, just like every other unmarried man and woman. Nobody has cast them aside as unclean or impure, they are all, we are all children of God. How can you be catholic and have absolutely no idea about basic biblical teachings and the Church teachings on sex, procreation and family?. Its not too complicated. Sex is for married couples to express their unitive love and to bring forth children . Hence no contraception either. Satan is the ruler of this world( its in the bible) so he is working extra hard to discredit the teachings of the church. He wants to claim as many souls as he can before he is ultimately defeated . As we near the end, you will see more people rising up against the Church.....In the end its upto to you ,which side you choose. There is no relative ground when it comes to sin.
@@KZBeautyCoach Thank you! It's sad to see so many leaving the church and losing their connection to Catholicism because of this. The numbers don't lie. When I was a kid, the church was so full that there were no empty pews. These days (before covid) rows upon rows of empty seats, you get a pew all to yourself. I know this is because people can no long support an organization that shuns their SSA loved ones, so they in turn end up shunning the church. Churches are closing, schools are closing, even if the church changed course on this I'm afraid it's too late at this point. So sad.
@@Pratsg86 Do you want a gold star for memorizing and reciting the catechism? I shall not give you one. My prayer for you is that you learn to think for yourself and follow the dictates of your God given conscience. This conscience is a terrible thing to waste. As to why I remain Catholic, I have every right to be. I am a member of the Body of Christ. The Church is its people in all their diversity, and not the magisterium, the catechism, or the Roman Curia in all its exclusivity.
@@kevinkelly2162 As Creation, it is not upto us whether we like it or not. Just think of our own parents, there is a set of rules that are kept to follow whether we like it not.
JOY = Jesus 1st. Other’s 2nd. Yourself 3rd. It’s a continuous asking help from your guardian angel and other people’s guardian angel’s. St Michael Archangel. St Pio,St John Paul II,St Joseph,and especially Our Blessed Lady-the beautiful Queen of Heaven. God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!! Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian. (St Pius IX said protestant’s are NOT Christian).
@@onemore5952 It is not bigotry....It is the roles of God...all other stuff is craziness!....He created your front for purpose and your back for another purpose! After all, it is your body and you are free to do whatever you want with it...I am expressing my opinion here and u not obligated to read it.
@@saadalbadri5210 hey Saad, I was also expressing my opinion which you are not obligated to read either, Having said that, I totally agree with you about my front and back having a purpose. The first one is for number ones and the second one is for number twos.
Just a note of correction. Paragraph 1867 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church lists homosexual acts as one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance: "1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are 'sins that cry to heaven': the blood of Abel [which sins include homicide, infanticide (abortion), fratricide, patricide, and matricide] the sin of the Sodomites [non-procreative sexual acts], the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan [oppression of the poor], injustice to the wage earner [defrauding workers]."
Neither are inherently immoral, it depends on the conditions. Equal conditions are equally moral. A heterosexual rape is obviously worse than consensual homosexual sex for example.
Knowledge of the Bible will clarify exactly how serious a sin sodom homosexuality is..Book of Leviticus... This sin calls for vengeance from God ... yet God forgives all sins Divine Mercy
@@nickgagnon3626 Secular standards and norms are not the standards to call the Church bigoted. Secular norms keep changing. The Church being a Divine Institution is rooted in the Teaching of the Scriptures and Christ.
@@nickgagnon3626 Why should the Churches changes. Why should a Church be called a Church if it does not have a base in what it was instituted for. We have many clubs for that, which caters to anyone and everyone
I act on homosexuality all the time. God loves me and you. I’ll be praying that you all make it to heaven with me. Come out of your judgmental wicked ways because God loves you.
@@myrnamendez8013 that’s a well-known mistranslation of a words with no known meaning. The Bible does not condemn homosexuality and the Bible absolutely does not condemn love.
Maybe check out Jason Evert chastity project. I feel that they are quite compassionate and give good advice. One of the things he mentions is that the first thing you should do if they do come out, is that you assure them that you still love them the same and it does not change anything. And mean it.
I’d suggest you do nothing if you’re not going to be supportive. No child wants to be antagonized about their habits and no child wants a detailed description of the pain and malice would inflict on them if they did something the parent didn’t like.
No it isn't. And there's 100,000 ways you can love another person that don't involve sex. You can hug and kiss them. Europeans have been kissing each other without meaning that they're in a sexual relationship for centuries. But wait! There's more. Two people who love each other can have fun together. They can be vulnerable with each other. They can have secrets together. They can care about each other's interests. They can tolerate each other's failures as human beings. Only a very strange person says that love only means sex. I think if we can agree on this point, we can agree on a helluva lot.
@@HolyKhaaaaan yes obviously u can love someone and not have sex w them. i never claimed that love = sex or that sex = love. That being said i cannot change who i am attracted too and if i fell IN LOVE with a woman and wanted to marry her i couldn’t in the catholic church. that is the root of the issue - that the catholic church would not bless a marriage between two consenting adult women who love each other. Also although the church doesn’t view homosexual attractions as a sin, they view the action as a sin. As someone who grew up devoutly catholic I was always confused by this. Let’s say me and my female partner didn’t have premarital sex - we still wouldn’t be allowed to get married and then have sex like every other catholic heterosexual relationship. i challenge you to examine why you feel so convicted to oppose two women in a HEATHLY COMMITED RELATIONSHIP. And since i would assume u oppose premarital sex why if a couple was married does two women having sex bother you so much?
@i don’t exist - I think your confusion stems from your misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church doesn't bless a marriage, it is the witness to two persons that commit the act of marriage before God. The priest has no specific power to marry any person per se, he is the witness to a valid marriage. This is necessary for both civil legal reasons and also to prevent an invalid marriage from occurring as was the case in history (e.g child marriage). What the Church does is define what a valid marriage is. A valid marriage in a Catholic Church has to meet certain requirements, one of those being openness to life. You cannot validly enter a marriage (regardless of your sexuality) with the intention of absolutely never having sex. You may choose not to have sex if there are grave reasons to do so that become apparent after marriage, but if you do not consummate your marriage then it is not an indissoluble union. Therefore, you can dissolve your marriage by special dispensation by the Pope and marry someone else. As soon as you consummate your marriage your marriage cannot be dissolved by any means whatsoever. The issue with same sex marriage is that is is not possible to meet the openness to life criteria in any way. This is true also of heterosexual persons that are truly sterile (which is extremely rare) and also of heterosexual persons that are impotent. Either of these cases cannot validly marry in the Catholic Church either despite their heterosexuality. Whether or not you agree or disagree is a personal opinion, but Church teaching is consistent in this matter rather than confusing. The issue with broader society’s understanding of marriage is that it’s very tenuous. Many people now don’t enter marriage validly nor do they live out their marriage vows when difficulties arise (e.g. infidelity, illness, infertility etc.). Divorce rates are very high in both heterosexual and now homosexual unions. Few homosexual persons choose to marry either in a civil ceremony or in any religious ceremony because there’s little reason to do so as access to property and children is possible without marriage. Heterosexual persons likewise now are choosing civil marriages over religious marriages (if they enter them at all) due to ease and the comfort of divorce. Arguing that any persons who are “healthy and committed” should be able to marry is a vague argument, as anyone can fulfil that criteria, but we don’t allow just anybody to marry, even if they are having sex. Likewise premarital sex, prior children or pregnancy doesn’t preclude a valid marriage from occurring. Love is likewise not a pre-condition for marriage - although it is a vow you commit to during the act of marriage.
Ok but how do we teach our children to handle a world like ours today where homosexuality is being shoved down their faces? Also, how do our children handle kids in school who feel like a her when they are boys or vise versa?
Hey , ladies, discuss what God says in the bible about homosexuality. Bring up all the verses. Who cares what men said about it. God's word is the ultimate authority and guide.
St Pius IX said protestant’s are NOT Christian. So when you said Christian’s were you incorrectly including protestant’s? Only Catholic’s are the true and original Christian’s. Only Jesus can found a Church which he did two thousand year’s ago! Sinful men can NOT found a Church. If a person calls a building a”church”that’s blasphemy! To be a Christian you have to belong to the only true Catholic Church-that’s it! Watch Don’t call protestant’s Christian. Then the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then The Papacy can not be destroyed. God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!! The Orthodox became Cults when they broke with Rome in 1054AD. You have the Baptist Cult,the Evangelical Cult,the Presbyterian Cult,the Episcopalian Cult,the Methodist Cult,the Anglican Cult,the Cult of England etc.
@Cardboard Cape Oh so "Papal infallibility" doesn't mean that the papacy is infallible? Do tell. Because as far as I can tell, either some imperfect somewhere is infallible or all biblical interpretations are coming from fallible people. And because we have a Christian duty to study the scripture and to interrogate what we are told if we find issue with the claims of others that is only further validation of the need to question. That is not arrogance, that is due diligence.
@Cardboard Cape oh so you have the choice to have an infallible pope whenever you want but you still choose to have a church led by a fallible man instead. That’s very interesting. So basically you have a church created and run by fallible men just like the rest of the Christian world.
Yes, we are still going to hate these videos and be angry with you about them. I find them preposterous. I have held back in the past because I respect Kim’s personal experience and her personal take on the subject. But, among LGBT Catholics, those few who remain, I believe that Kim’s is a distinctly minority view. Most of us would never see ourselves as sexual sinners and believe the Church is in grave error regarding its sexual teaching across the board. You should not be talking to LGBT about the subject. You really haven’t the right. You should be listening. And you should believe and accept the testimony of the majority of us. I have been in a committed marriage to another man for 41 years and you are going to tell me I am a sexual sinner? No. You. Are. Not. It is an absurdity not to be countenanced. The greatest challenge that Catholic LGBT face is to forgive their fellow Catholics and their Church. I really don’t know that I ever can forgive. Ever. In the end, not to do so, not to forgive, will be a terrible sin.
I have no idea why you are upset. She is speaking not just her own truth, but also The truth Christ died for on the crucifix. We are testimony of that truth and we have the duty and obligation as a follower of Christ to denounce evil and sin. That isn’t to be confused with judgement - that is Christ’s call. Every single person is a sinner so there is no need to take it personally. I struggle with different sins, I am a sinner. Christ lead a perfect example of how a Christian should live his life. He did not live a life of homosexuality, fornication, murder, stealing, adultery, drunkenness, greed, wrath. If you do no believe the church teaching then follow the example the Christ gave us.
@@guy.h421 She spoke Catholic dogma only, and not a human truth that comes from the lived experience of a majority of LGBT Catholics. That you cannot distinguish between the two explains why you do not understand the anger. Why do you feel you need to personally assail me with a comment? Why do you think you have the standing to do so? Don’t answer. Reflect on this in silence.
Jose Calvillo…I am not “upset,” as if I am some tempest in a teapot. I am righteously angry. If you cannot understand the difference, perhaps you have no empathy. Christ never addressed homosexuality,. Thus, we can assume that this is not one of the truths He died for on the cross. Do you personally feel deputized by Christ to address me? Perhaps it would be better if you reflected on whether this is arrogance rather than duty or obligation. Don’t answer that here. Reflect in silence, instead.
@@powerliftingcentaur Christ did address Marriage and the sexual relations in that in the beginning, a man and a woman come together the two become one flesh and what God has put together man cannot take away. In this definition, it uplifts Jewish sexual morality rather than decries.
Ugh, these two are such insufferable hypocrites. Moralizing about love and sex between consenting adults while having no problem with the organized sexual abuse against children in the church they represent.
and where have they ever said they have no problem with it the sex abuse scandal in the Church? i must have missed that part lol chill dude let's bring the ignorance down a notch
Well well well...being nice isn't a criteria to eternal life. Jesus himself used terms like " brood of vipers", " hypocrites", " u wash the outside of the cup but the inside is filthy" There r times you need to draw the person out of their stubborn righteous positions. If that take hard words n aggressive postures , so b it. He/ She will thank you in eternity.
@@onemore5952 so insulting women that don't agree with how you want to live is something your catholic faith taught you? Hoping you find peace, truth and love by following what God tells us in his Word. We are all on a journey! pray for me I'll be praying for you. 🙏
@@myrnamendez8013 oh Myrna ! I don’t get where your anger comes from…. It puzzles me. Thanks for your prayers anyway, I don’t think I need them but it’s nice of you to offer.
My great aunt is a lesbian and spoke at my wedding. Her partner died of cancer and I loved them both. I believe God will deal with it. It's my job to love her.
Amen!! I'll pray for your aunt's partner, and for all those who loved her. May she find her way into Jesus' gentle embrace.
“Deal with it” ? Is it something to be dealt with?
That's so sad. Condoning public disrespect God's laws. It's going to sound harsh no matter what, but God holds us accountable for our accessory to sin as well.
When my own friends and family question me about the churches stance and tell me that it's hateful and bigoted, wondering how I can still follow them. I answer by pointing out I've never brought up to them their own sexual sin in any way, I'm more focused on solving my own by learning how to put God first in all things. That's actually sparked conversations where we're honest with each other and find that trust and openness. Living the Christian life is in essence self sacrificial in all ways, deny yourself and pick up your cross, whatever thing you love most about this world is what is coming between you and God. It's a narrow road
Daniel, sometimes not bringing up sexual sin is a very prudent thing to do. Kudos to you for focusing on your own sins!
Hi Jackie and Kim..i really appreciate your boldness in discussing these topics that no one wants to talk about. But people are suffering in silence. Your so true and honest and Kim God bless you for being rave enough to fight the good fight. God bless you all at Ascension.
I've never clicked on a video so fast. This particular scenario is one I've struggled with as I have a lot of SSA people in my life who I love and want to love properly. Thank you for helping!
You must know a lot of people since only 3% of the population are homosexuals. The most homosexual city in the US is San Francisco and their ovulation is just 6.25% homosexual.
@@lloydbraun6026 Y'know, when somebody states that there are a lot of something, they are speaking relatively in the first place. Maybe OP knows 1 or 3, but that is a lot.
Gay people also don't have to submit to studies or things like that. Things told in confidence and such.
@@lloydbraun6026 or she happens to know the right people.
OR what's more likely, people have been afraid of admitting they experience SSA so it goes largely under-reported. So it's actually more than 3%...
@@lloydbraun6026I don't see the productivity of this comment as it doesn't change my experience. But... thank you for your input.
Yeah fr this video couldn’t have been more relevant.
I really wish our clergy had been speaking about sexuality in a truthful way for decades. We have so much legwork to do and its extra heavy. I like the book Made This Way. Great way for parents to talk about these issues to teens and even(unfortunately) young kids.
God bless you.
You are truly a gift to people these days.
These comments are just heartbreaking. The Church's teaching on homosexuality IS loving, and it's so sad to see people misinterpreting it.
How so?
There are comments from every point of view. Which ones are not loving?
They shared nothing but love.
It might be your definition of "love" is actually "niceness"
@@johnsposato5632 Some people are saying the Church's teaching on homosexuality is hateful but they couldn't be further from the truth.
@@CedanyTheAlaskan I believe that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is loving and not hateful. Some people on here are saying the Church's teaching on homosexuality is hateful but they couldn't be further from the truth.
I needed this video like three years ago!! thank you for your ministry
Wow I needed to hear this… I need to check my heart 😔❤️
Congratulations! You are a part of the massive Light that Jesus bring into the world and I thank you for the courage and the love you have.
It is important for Catholics to remember this, people with ssa are not our enemies, not are they irredeemable, they are souls in need of extra care and guidance concerning their disordered desires and thoughts, and a person suffering from this has the same likely hood of achieving sainthood as any other person.
Why should I believe my desires are disordered or sinful?
"Do not identify yourself as your desires. Let God give you your identity." 1:26 "Loving someone is desiring heaven for them." You are good. I just bought 'Made for Love: Same-Sex Attraction and the Catholic Church' by Fr. Mike Schmitz as I was curious what he says. A couple years ago I bought a book called 'Christian Faith and Same-Sex Attraction' by Fr. Thomas Hopko, which is pretty good and has some interesting insight generally. I was hoping to convert a former professor friend. God bless.
John Chryssavgis says (paraphrasing) that in a unique way each of us before God truly is the "first of sinners." It is a blessing to remember this. God bless you and thank you for your videos and time, Sisters :-)
Speaking of John Chryssavgis, he has a book titled "Light Through Darkness" that you may enjoy. Thank you and God bless😊
I just started reading Made for Love, and I think the foreword made some really good points, such as where to and where to not seek for one's identity, and our true identity and God's are intimately connected. Very good...Thank you😊
*What's wrong with being homosexual* ?
Podcast - Must Watch
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This modern "woke culture liberal minded secular humanist and hedonistic society " has a good grip on so many people's minds. The comment section proves just that.
Wow that connected - bless you ladies 💖
"You're going to be crucified anyway" - for sure, perfect last point.
Teachings can be loving but it doesn't mean they can't be ignorant.
Thank you for this beautiful video!
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Thank you for explaining it so well ❤️✝️
O Lord, help me!
May my hurt not reject someone who may need ‘ministering’ tor their sins. AMEN 🙏🏾
Thank you for keeping it real!
But my same-sex-attracted loved one does not see their situation as their "brokenness." In fact. the idea of being "broken" offends them because they have been seeing a secular mental health counselor, rather than a Catholic counselor.
Good for them. Why should you want them to see themselves as broken? I am so happy they are seeing a secular counsellor because I’m sure they hear enough about how they are broken from the people who are supposed to love them.
Honestly the timing for this couldn’t be better, I came out as Roman Catholic in school awhile ago and I’m getting a lot of hate about it because I believe that LGBTQ actions are bad. Now I need to know how to interact with them to bring them to the truth.
That's tough, how to interact is something I still haven't fully figured out. Good to hear you're still sticking to what you believe is right though. Just remember to be gentle about it. I sometimes let myself get too heated in a conversation and made myself look ridiculous or uncaring when I wasn't gentle as I should've been.
@@andrewkelly2028 I think the best thing for me is to be objective, so that I don’t over sugarcoat, but I also don’t become too harsh.
@@stickman3208 It's a good idea to be objective. I have done the same, but on social media, being objective is difficult. Since a person cannot see your face or hear your expression, it is easy to assume the worst. I've had this happen to me many times, and well, I don't have a social media anymore because of that haha. If I were to give any advice, it would be to never talk across text in social media or on phones for these difficult topics. You may already do this, but I did not, and upset many people in situations I might otherwise not have at all. It's also possible that they would still upset, but the chance they might not be was there.
So yeah, don't over-sugarcoat, but also don't be belligerent. I've also spoken to people in ways I thought was fine because it was technically true, but I wasn't being sensitive to the struggles of the person I was talking to, and that has landed me into trouble as well. I thought that ideally everyone should take anything technically true without any problems, and if we disagreed on the truth, we would just have a polite discussion. It almost never ended up that way, and I easily upset people I loved dearly with that logic.
I had many great friendships in high school, which became difficult afterwards with our differences once I took an interest to these difficult topics, partly because of how people perceived others who disagreed with them on these topics, but also because of my mistakes on social media. I pray you will not have the same issues that I ran into, and can keep good friendships with those you have them with now.
Also, I hope my paragraphs aren't much of a chore to get through, I wrote more than I intended.
Will they listen to you? In the 1990s, you wouldn't have experienced the same hate in Catholic school. It just shows how bad things are with some Catholic school in America. If you are in Poland now, you will not have the same problem
@@kelechukwuanozyk7605 I don't think he stated whether he was in Catholic School or not. Personally, I was not. I went to a public school.
I don't understand why it's considered a sin for two human beings falling in love with one another. In my opinion i believe that anyone can make it to heaven despite what that person's sexuality is as long as they do right in the lord eyes and study his word everyday and have a relationship with GOD himself as well.
This is an honest question and I hope it doesn’t offend you in anyway: Is studying His word of any worth if you don’t actually follow it? Didn’t He clearly say that if you love Him you will keep His commandments?
If I may reply, we have very worldly ideas about love and sex due to the messages around us. What the Church believes is that there are different types of love, all of which are noble and good. However, for some reason, society places the most emphasis on romantic love. There is so much more to life than this, and how much heartbreak comes from people pining over finding “the one” or getting obsessed over crushes? There is nobility in loving each other as friends. The Church teaches that marriage is a vocation, which is basically the path God calls you towards to reach Heaven. Marriage is not believed to be bliss, it is work. Everyone will receive a vocation, but for a lot of people it is not marriage. It is not wrong to love someone, but our ideas of love get twisted by the messages that surround us. Only God as our Creator can know what will make us happy and lead us to happiness, and pure happiness is having a relationship with Him.
@@Jml15 there is a clear double-standard here though. Why is it that people bring up that love is romanticized and sexualized only when it’s a homosexual scenario?
Two loving same sex people can love each other the same exact way that a heterosexual couple does, and can also have great friends just like they do. They can also adopt and raise children out of foster homes, which by the way they do at a higher rate than Christians do.
These are all good things. If you have a husband or knows a loving couple and you see that kind of joy and the incredible joy that they have with their kids…why wouldn’t you want that for a person who only has same sex attraction as well?
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I talk with them like I would anyone else. I am taught to love my neighbor. Give it a try.
So if you're talking to someone you love, and you know they're doing things that are seriously dangerous, you say nothing, because to say something about that is not loving?
@@johnsposato5632 Dangerous???Lol
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@@dakotaescher1 The very act is dangerous to one's eternal soul because it is contrary to what our bodies are made for. Certainly, regardless of what they say or believe they deserve to be loved like the rest of God's children.
@@thethreefriends3002 Love thy neighbor. It is like explaining to water not to be wet. Judge not.
I felt like god wanted to pray about my husbands family.i don't want to push anybody,and i just have remind that they not into God as much as you are.sparking a conversation is much better then just going for.but i do understand that theres no easy way to do this.
I really try to be nice to Christians when I watch their videos about this topic because I appreciate that they’re trying to be nice. But as soon as you call the love that I have for my girlfriend a sin, I can’t get past that. How is loving someone a sin? Please explain why my loving and looking out for and caring for my partner, who happens to also be female, is something that God would not approve of or indoors? God is all about love that is what Christians are constantly trying to tell me. But it’s really hard to have a conversation about this when the first thing Christians bring up is that what I am doing is sinful.
Hey Kaitlyn, thank you for sharing your experience! I don’t know if this will help explain it, it’s just a brief overlook on the why, but maybe it’ll help bring up some of the points you want to know.
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This video helped me a lot with beginning to understand/consider Church teaching on when I was coming into the Church 3 years ago. It’s just a start! It might be uncomfortable like it was for me to watch at first since it’s a sensitive issue, but I hope it helps! Just be gentle with however you react/respond when watching it! That helped me in listening and trying to understand. God bless you and your girlfriend-both of you take care. 🌻
Hi Kaitlyn darling, Im totally with u in that confussion of the sin scandal and all that, It can be really ambiguos u know, love but dont love people of ur same sex... quite coffusing, dont worry Ive been through that before, and I can tell u that lovin her is not a sin, actually is what ure called to do here in earth...
But how much u love her? Would u be willing to sacriffice ur relationship for preventing her of commiting a sin? Remember love is not a sin, but the act of sex is and so calling her ur grlfriend, u actually love 2 women or more your mom, your grlfriend, and your female friends but not because u love ur mom or friends means that u gotta have sex with them and all that...
There are a lot of ways to love people, but which of those ways is better for the people u love, the one that will aproach u and the others (in this case ur grlfriend) to heaven, I think thats even loving way much more than just the simple denommination of "couple" , being willing to give up everything for the best of ur beloved... that is love
U desser an ennourmous and inconditional love, one u could have never dreamed of, one that can overcome whichever trouble u might find urself in, one than can approach u both (u and ur grlfriend) even more
Oppressing ones sexuality doesn’t work.
Homosexuals are not Christianophobic, many Christians are homophobic.
Just respect them as they are and they respect you as you are. :)
Amen
I feel like this is all coming from the perspective of someone who has SSA but understands that it's against Church teaching and recognizes its sinfulness. What do you do about someone who is living in unapologetic defiance of Church teaching, still claims Catholicism, and asserts the Church is wrong on this question and has been wrong from day 1? I have a friend who's living that way, and I really have no idea where to begin talking to him about this.
Edit: Just listened to the end. I know it's inevitable, but it's hard to accept that no matter how delicately, sensitively, or charitably I approach a topic, people will react negatively...
Try the "Third Way" by Blackstone Films.
Anyone who lives that way is living in sin and automatically excommunicates themselves, like any other form of adultery.
Pls.pray the rosary and devine mercy chaplet to free all countries from war, diseases, calamities, hunger, corruption, drugs, prostitution, abortion, divorce, vices and all evils.pls pray for peace and joy in all families and home.. ..
You really want to tell someone with SSA that pride is the greatest sin? Did y'all totally forget that the LGBT movement embraces "pride"?
It is the greatest sin tho? That’s literally the first sun to happen and why Lucifer rebelled
@@dominicpeters2816 Not saying it's not true. Just wondering if it is prudent to do so. One can say it is a sin without saying it is the greatest.
Thank you for this video ✝️♥️
Love you guys at Ascension Presents!
I often explain that sin is sin, but there are kinds of sin. There are actionable sins. These are sins that you are only considered sinning after you have done them. For example, lying, cheating, stealing, and even murder. They are sins that you can go your entire life without doing. However, when you do them, you ask for forgiveness and strive to never do them again. The other sins are living sins. These are sins that are passive and ongoing. They are sins that in doing them, you are just in a constant state of sinning. Living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle is one of these sins. Every day that you are living that lifestyle without any remorse or regret, you are taking Jesus's gift of taking your sin and stomping on it. You are essentially telling Jesus, "I know you died on the cross for my sins, but I don't care, this is what I want and I am going to continue doing it." If you struggle with same sex attraction, then that is a temptation you must over come. Lusting after someone of the same sex is no different then a straight man lusting after a woman.
Overall, just as a tactician, that's not a bad argument you ladies have laid out in this video.
Very good video Amen ❤️🙏
Awesome video thank you
Never expect a friendly conversation when you disclose bigotry.
What do you say when you talk to someone about sin that you're not living through, and they say "You can't say that to me because you're not living through it."? I am uncertain if there is anything that can be said, or if that should be the end of the conversation.
I think that mentioning something first like “I don’t and never can fully understand exactly what you are going through - Because I’m not you - just like you don’t fully understand what I’m going through. But we can share similarities and talk about it to better understand each other. And I might be able to help with some of what you are experiencing that I can understand.”
Honestly practically anything but “everyone’s felt like that” seems alright to me lol! That saying really bugs me since it’s almost implying that they are overreacting and should be fine, or that it’ll be a phase that they should just shut up about.
Just my thoughts!
@@missequestrian3448 Ahh that's a great idea I often forget, some sort of disclaimer. I also think I wrongly dislike using it, because I feel as though it's something obvious that doesn't need to be mentioned, but I forget that other people don't know everything I'm thinking, so I should make an effort to say these things even if I feel it's redundant, as it only would be redundant to myself. Thank you!
You can also share about something sinful that you're struggling with in your own life, and then point out the parallels between. However, always make sure to say something like, "Of course, I can't know the depth and the pain of your struggle. I'm sure it's a very hard thing to conquer."
@@johnsposato5632 That's a good idea, it will take some work to understand how to draw those parallels in a helpful way. Thanks for the suggestion, and yeah that disclaimer seems to be a big one.
Thank you! This is something all young people need to hear!
I mean, for me, it's real simple. Church teaching only says that we cannot have sex with anybody other than or married spouse, and that must be one person of the opposite sex of us.
I don't see why that means we can't be vulnerable with, share fun experiences with, hug, even kiss other people we love. Just because two people can't have sex doesn't mean they can't or don't love each other.
Right, but if two people with SSA are hugging and kissing, that's a formula for trouble. If they live together, that's a formula for TROUBLE.
I assume that you’re speaking from a Catholic perspective but you know none of those requirements are in the Bible right?
But you are right, even if there was a prohibition on homoeroticism that doesn’t mean that homosexual relationships are sinful by default.
Disagree that Jesus always spoke with kindness. He once said to the Pharisees, “You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil.” - Matthew 12:34
Q: If God thought heteros were a sin, would Jackie be able to have a sexual married relationship with a same sex person even though she has no desire to do that. What then? God wants her to suffer and not connect with her consensual sexuality? Nonsense. So committing a multitude of other sins and messing up anothers life is way worse. Sin is sin is sin. The other one is on the spectrum, but still has enough hetero attraction to stay in the supposed light of the lord? Wow...btw....your innate sexuality does not change. So, check a liar sin on her checklist as well. A true reminder of why I only attend affirming churchs who truly welcome everyone as they are and not if they are willing to pretend. People here need to check themselves too. You are not here to be celebet or deny your innate sexuality. Be yourself and thank God for making you perfectly in his image. LGBT people are a pivotal part of the world and not less than or some sickness that needs to be saved.
God wouldn’t make the only way to reproduce a sin. Using sex outside of its intended purpose is a sin, same sex intercouse, sex before marriage, contraception etc
I just don’t believe being homosexual is immoral, I follow Jesus and he never said anything about it! Same sex attraction is natural, not a choice. I implore other Christians who condemn same-sex love to research the original pre-translation meanings of “homosexual” in the Bible. In translations pre-1948, that word was not even used. The original meaning in Greek was “enslaved male prostitutes” (malakos, malakoi, arsenokotai) which is irrelevant to loving, consensual same-sex partnership. The belief that God sees homosexuality as a sin is misinformed by bad translation. “God has shown me that I should never call anyone impure or unclean” -Acts 10:28. Honestly, I’m disappointed that people are so close-minded on this issue when it affects so many people’s human rights around the world, we as Christians should be fighting for Love and Liberation.
The Churches are the last bastions of bigotry, finding it justified by a man made moral code with divine pretensions. In the Catholic Church they dare to call this code a magisterium, and dare to replace a God given conscience with a man made catechism.
Thank you for your comment Stephen! I am so saddened that Ascension posted this video. I love being a Catholic but these beliefs make it so difficult for me to feel comfortable staying in the church. These beliefs about homosexuality have driven both of my children from the church. The Catholic Church needs to stop this nonsense and focus on the love of Christ which is what we should all be focused on. Homosexuality is not a choice and is therefore part of God’s creation.
If you are talking bout natural...in accordance to the nature of sex.. ..shouldn't the sexual act involve a male and female and be ordered to procreation. Just saying....the homosexual act is not natural. It has no procreative end.
According to the catholic church teaching people with homosexual tendencies are called to chastity, just like every other unmarried man and woman. Nobody has cast them aside as unclean or impure, they are all, we are all children of God.
How can you be catholic and have absolutely no idea about basic biblical teachings and the Church teachings on sex, procreation and family?. Its not too complicated. Sex is for married couples to express their unitive love and to bring forth children . Hence no contraception either.
Satan is the ruler of this world( its in the bible) so he is working extra hard to discredit the teachings of the church. He wants to claim as many souls as he can before he is ultimately defeated . As we near the end, you will see more people rising up against the Church.....In the end its upto to you ,which side you choose. There is no relative ground when it comes to sin.
@@KZBeautyCoach Thank you! It's sad to see so many leaving the church and losing their connection to Catholicism because of this. The numbers don't lie. When I was a kid, the church was so full that there were no empty pews. These days (before covid) rows upon rows of empty seats, you get a pew all to yourself. I know this is because people can no long support an organization that shuns their SSA loved ones, so they in turn end up shunning the church. Churches are closing, schools are closing, even if the church changed course on this I'm afraid it's too late at this point. So sad.
@@Pratsg86 Do you want a gold star for memorizing and reciting the catechism?
I shall not give you one. My prayer for you is that you learn to think for yourself and follow the dictates of your God given conscience. This conscience is a terrible thing to waste.
As to why I remain Catholic, I have every right to be. I am a member of the Body of Christ. The Church is its people in all their diversity, and not the magisterium, the catechism, or the Roman Curia in all its exclusivity.
I believe that Jesus loves everyone regardless of their sexuality and I support the lgbtqia community ☮️
Yes he loves everyone, but not all actions are moral to choose.
He loves every soul and but the freewill to choose wrong is also there. That is upto us, not Jesus. He has shown the way and he has spoken about it.
@@kevinkelly2162 As Creation, it is not upto us whether we like it or not. Just think of our own parents, there is a set of rules that are kept to follow whether we like it not.
Nobody’s denying that
JOY = Jesus 1st. Other’s 2nd. Yourself 3rd. It’s a continuous asking help from your guardian angel and other people’s guardian angel’s. St Michael Archangel. St Pio,St John Paul II,St Joseph,and especially Our Blessed Lady-the beautiful Queen of Heaven. God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!! Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian. (St Pius IX said protestant’s are NOT Christian).
True strong Christian faith is the only way to treat all odds in human characters, thoughts, and personality.
Hummmm…. I wonder how do we go around treating bigots?
@@onemore5952 It is not bigotry....It is the roles of God...all other stuff is craziness!....He created your front for purpose and your back for another purpose!
After all, it is your body and you are free to do whatever you want with it...I am expressing my opinion here and u not obligated to read it.
@@saadalbadri5210 hey Saad, I was also expressing my opinion which you are not obligated to read either, Having said that, I totally agree with you about my front and back having a purpose. The first one is for number ones and the second one is for number twos.
Homosexuality is great. Thank you, God 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Just a note of correction. Paragraph 1867 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church lists homosexual acts as one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance:
"1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are 'sins that cry to heaven': the blood of Abel [which sins include homicide, infanticide (abortion), fratricide, patricide, and matricide] the sin of the Sodomites [non-procreative sexual acts], the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan [oppression of the poor], injustice to the wage earner [defrauding workers]."
The sin of Sodom wasn’t that the sex was non procreative..
The sin was rape, brutality.
IL MATRIMONIO E' L'UNIONE TRA UN UOMO E UNA DONNA E NON ALTRO.
Non hanno dettò altro ;)
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Thanks so much
Hang on - could it not be said that people are only 'struggling' with SSA because you insist that it's a sin and that they run the risk of punishment?
is acting on a homosexual urge worse than straight pre-marital fornication?
Neither are inherently immoral, it depends on the conditions. Equal conditions are equally moral. A heterosexual rape is obviously worse than consensual homosexual sex for example.
But the Bible doesn’t even mention sapphic sex???
I don't
Knowledge of the Bible will clarify exactly how serious a sin sodom homosexuality is..Book of Leviticus... This sin calls for vengeance from God ... yet God forgives all sins Divine Mercy
But who believes in that? Leviticus also says they should be put to death. Its beyond sick.
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Just accept them for who they are.
That is the duty of a secular organization, not the Church.
@@abeljoshua170 Sad that the Church is so bigoted.
@@nickgagnon3626 Secular standards and norms are not the standards to call the Church bigoted. Secular norms keep changing. The Church being a Divine Institution is rooted in the Teaching of the Scriptures and Christ.
@@abeljoshua170 Well the Churches should change as well.
@@nickgagnon3626 Why should the Churches changes. Why should a Church be called a Church if it does not have a base in what it was instituted for.
We have many clubs for that, which caters to anyone and everyone
I act on homosexuality all the time. God loves me and you. I’ll be praying that you all make it to heaven with me. Come out of your judgmental wicked ways because God loves you.
Lovely way to put it Willie 👍
If you get a chance look up this reading in your bible. 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10
@@myrnamendez8013 thank you 🙏🏾 I’ll pass. God still loves you though.
@@myrnamendez8013 that’s a well-known mistranslation of a words with no known meaning.
The Bible does not condemn homosexuality and the Bible absolutely does not condemn love.
Can you please talk about how parents should act if suspecting their son like same sex, even if they are in 20s or older.
Maybe check out Jason Evert chastity project. I feel that they are quite compassionate and give good advice. One of the things he mentions is that the first thing you should do if they do come out, is that you assure them that you still love them the same and it does not change anything. And mean it.
@@annmariatomy353, thanks you!
I’d suggest you do nothing if you’re not going to be supportive.
No child wants to be antagonized about their habits and no child wants a detailed description of the pain and malice would inflict on them if they did something the parent didn’t like.
BISEXUAL AND PROUD BABY ❤️LOVE IS LOVE - LOVE IS NOT A SIN
No it isn't. And there's 100,000 ways you can love another person that don't involve sex. You can hug and kiss them. Europeans have been kissing each other without meaning that they're in a sexual relationship for centuries.
But wait! There's more. Two people who love each other can have fun together. They can be vulnerable with each other. They can have secrets together. They can care about each other's interests. They can tolerate each other's failures as human beings.
Only a very strange person says that love only means sex. I think if we can agree on this point, we can agree on a helluva lot.
@@HolyKhaaaaan yes obviously u can love someone and not have sex w them. i never claimed that love = sex or that sex = love. That being said i cannot change who i am attracted too and if i fell IN LOVE with a woman and wanted to marry her i couldn’t in the catholic church. that is the root of the issue - that the catholic church would not bless a marriage between two consenting adult women who love each other.
Also although the church doesn’t view homosexual attractions as a sin, they view the action as a sin. As someone who grew up devoutly catholic I was always confused by this. Let’s say me and my female partner didn’t have premarital sex - we still wouldn’t be allowed to get married and then have sex like every other catholic heterosexual relationship.
i challenge you to examine why you feel so convicted to oppose two women in a HEATHLY COMMITED RELATIONSHIP. And since i would assume u oppose premarital sex why if a couple was married does two women having sex bother you so much?
@i don’t exist - I think your confusion stems from your misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church doesn't bless a marriage, it is the witness to two persons that commit the act of marriage before God. The priest has no specific power to marry any person per se, he is the witness to a valid marriage. This is necessary for both civil legal reasons and also to prevent an invalid marriage from occurring as was the case in history (e.g child marriage).
What the Church does is define what a valid marriage is. A valid marriage in a Catholic Church has to meet certain requirements, one of those being openness to life. You cannot validly enter a marriage (regardless of your sexuality) with the intention of absolutely never having sex. You may choose not to have sex if there are grave reasons to do so that become apparent after marriage, but if you do not consummate your marriage then it is not an indissoluble union. Therefore, you can dissolve your marriage by special dispensation by the Pope and marry someone else. As soon as you consummate your marriage your marriage cannot be dissolved by any means whatsoever.
The issue with same sex marriage is that is is not possible to meet the openness to life criteria in any way. This is true also of heterosexual persons that are truly sterile (which is extremely rare) and also of heterosexual persons that are impotent. Either of these cases cannot validly marry in the Catholic Church either despite their heterosexuality. Whether or not you agree or disagree is a personal opinion, but Church teaching is consistent in this matter rather than confusing. The issue with broader society’s understanding of marriage is that it’s very tenuous. Many people now don’t enter marriage validly nor do they live out their marriage vows when difficulties arise (e.g. infidelity, illness, infertility etc.). Divorce rates are very high in both heterosexual and now homosexual unions. Few homosexual persons choose to marry either in a civil ceremony or in any religious ceremony because there’s little reason to do so as access to property and children is possible without marriage. Heterosexual persons likewise now are choosing civil marriages over religious marriages (if they enter them at all) due to ease and the comfort of divorce.
Arguing that any persons who are “healthy and committed” should be able to marry is a vague argument, as anyone can fulfil that criteria, but we don’t allow just anybody to marry, even if they are having sex. Likewise premarital sex, prior children or pregnancy doesn’t preclude a valid marriage from occurring. Love is likewise not a pre-condition for marriage - although it is a vow you commit to during the act of marriage.
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Ok but how do we teach our children to handle a world like ours today where homosexuality is being shoved down their faces? Also, how do our children handle kids in school who feel like a her when they are boys or vise versa?
If man and woman were made by God to his image, does that make God transsexual?
@@onemore5952 no
@@dianahernandez9219 do you evidence to support your answer ?
@@onemore5952 it would seem the answer is also no.
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Hey , ladies, discuss what God says in the bible about homosexuality. Bring up all the verses. Who cares what men said about it. God's word is the ultimate authority and guide.
And the word does not condemn homosexuality.
St Pius IX said protestant’s are NOT Christian. So when you said Christian’s were you incorrectly including protestant’s? Only Catholic’s are the true and original Christian’s. Only Jesus can found a Church which he did two thousand year’s ago! Sinful men can NOT found a Church. If a person calls a building a”church”that’s blasphemy! To be a Christian you have to belong to the only true Catholic Church-that’s it! Watch Don’t call protestant’s Christian. Then the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then The Papacy can not be destroyed. God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!! The Orthodox became Cults when they broke with Rome in 1054AD. You have the Baptist Cult,the Evangelical Cult,the Presbyterian Cult,the Episcopalian Cult,the Methodist Cult,the Anglican Cult,the Cult of England etc.
Darling, you believe an imperfect man can’t build a church to study in, but you believe an imperfect man can be infallible⸮
@Cardboard Cape having a religious bureaucracy doesn’t make you closer to God.
@Cardboard Cape Oh so "Papal infallibility" doesn't mean that the papacy is infallible?
Do tell.
Because as far as I can tell, either some imperfect somewhere is infallible or all biblical interpretations are coming from fallible people.
And because we have a Christian duty to study the scripture and to interrogate what we are told if we find issue with the claims of others that is only further validation of the need to question.
That is not arrogance, that is due diligence.
@Cardboard Cape oh so you have the choice to have an infallible pope whenever you want but you still choose to have a church led by a fallible man instead. That’s very interesting.
So basically you have a church created and run by fallible men just like the rest of the Christian world.
Yes, we are still going to hate these videos and be angry with you about them. I find them preposterous. I have held back in the past because I respect Kim’s personal experience and her personal take on the subject. But, among LGBT Catholics, those few who remain, I believe that Kim’s is a distinctly minority view. Most of us would never see ourselves as sexual sinners and believe the Church is in grave error regarding its sexual teaching across the board. You should not be talking to LGBT about the subject. You really haven’t the right. You should be listening. And you should believe and accept the testimony of the majority of us. I have been in a committed marriage to another man for 41 years and you are going to tell me I am a sexual sinner? No. You. Are. Not. It is an absurdity not to be countenanced. The greatest challenge that Catholic LGBT face is to forgive their fellow Catholics and their Church. I really don’t know that I ever can forgive. Ever. In the end, not to do so, not to forgive, will be a terrible sin.
Just because you are mad at her doesn't mean you are right. She spoke nothing but the truth !!!
I have no idea why you are upset. She is speaking not just her own truth, but also The truth Christ died for on the crucifix. We are testimony of that truth and we have the duty and obligation as a follower of Christ to denounce evil and sin. That isn’t to be confused with judgement - that is Christ’s call.
Every single person is a sinner so there is no need to take it personally. I struggle with different sins, I am a sinner.
Christ lead a perfect example of how a Christian should live his life. He did not live a life of homosexuality, fornication, murder, stealing, adultery, drunkenness, greed, wrath. If you do no believe the church teaching then follow the example the Christ gave us.
@@guy.h421 She spoke Catholic dogma only, and not a human truth that comes from the lived experience of a majority of LGBT Catholics. That you cannot distinguish between the two explains why you do not understand the anger.
Why do you feel you need to personally assail me with a comment? Why do you think you have the standing to do so?
Don’t answer. Reflect on this in silence.
Jose Calvillo…I am not “upset,” as if I am some tempest in a teapot. I am righteously angry. If you cannot understand the difference, perhaps you have no empathy.
Christ never addressed homosexuality,. Thus, we can assume that this is not one of the truths He died for on the cross.
Do you personally feel deputized by Christ to address me? Perhaps it would be better if you reflected on whether this is arrogance rather than duty or obligation. Don’t answer that here. Reflect in silence, instead.
@@powerliftingcentaur Christ did address Marriage and the sexual relations in that in the beginning, a man and a woman come together the two become one flesh and what God has put together man cannot take away. In this definition, it uplifts Jewish sexual morality rather than decries.
Ugh, these two are such insufferable hypocrites. Moralizing about love and sex between consenting adults while having no problem with the organized sexual abuse against children in the church they represent.
and where have they ever said they have no problem with it the sex abuse scandal in the Church? i must have missed that part lol chill dude let's bring the ignorance down a notch
Well well well...being nice isn't a criteria to eternal life. Jesus himself used terms like " brood of vipers", " hypocrites", " u wash the outside of the cup but the inside is filthy"
There r times you need to draw the person out of their stubborn righteous positions. If that take hard words n aggressive postures , so b it. He/ She will thank you in eternity.
No…we will not be thanking you. Look to thyself.
Oh the irony of you using words such as stubborn and righteous 🤣
And that "love" which Christians talk about/in doesn't exist, it is just a mask for other ulterior motives.
"Truth in love " is pure self righteous bull
Somebody here needs to spend less time making silly little videos and spend more time at the hairdresser.
Not sure why you are following a catholic you tube channel then.
@@myrnamendez8013 well dear Myrna that is because I am a catholic . I hope that clear things out for you.
@@onemore5952 so insulting women that don't agree with how you want to live is something your catholic faith taught you? Hoping you find peace, truth and love by following what God tells us in his Word. We are all on a journey! pray for me I'll be praying for you. 🙏
@@myrnamendez8013 oh Myrna ! I don’t get where your anger comes from…. It puzzles me. Thanks for your prayers anyway, I don’t think I need them but it’s nice of you to offer.