@@trickshotftw2110This abyss floor 12 is perfect for Pyro teams, if all ur team members level and talents are highly invested it's possible for 33-36stars abyss, try burgeon instead of hyperbloom for floor 12 abyss
@@trickshotftw2110 change the strategy then by beating each chamber with different optimized teams, I really recommend watching sevyplays abyss guide or jyos spiral abyss guide beforehand xD
I won't claim that Electro Traveler is a great unit, but being in the bottom tier is pretty harsh. I have an unusual trio of Raiden, Noelle, and Yoimiya, which doesn't seem to have much synergy on the surface, but having Electro Traveler actually makes it work. The team has a good blend of offense and defense, and it rarely has energy issues. My Lumine isn't even optimized as a battery, but she still works well enough in the role.
One of my friends uses kirara, and shes actually really good! She can actually dish out a lot of damage in her burst! Even with 2 piece hp 2 piece er she is pretty great!
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She is my favorite 4 star shield, in standards she is my second best shielder!
I once had a tough decision to make when I got Nahida: Kick Kirara out from my Nilou Bloom team, or kick Collei out. In the end, Kirara won thanks to her shield and the ability to carry the dmg to the enemies. With Nilous e skill, she is basically ironing the field like a big ass truck!
Tartaglia is sooooooooo fun to play and the fact that hes melee but still have the option to do range attack to target weak point of doom guard and puzzle is amazing
Of the 5 star dpses, for me it's Ganyu. As much as people say she has fallen off and can't keep up with the meta, in my experience she perform at a similar level of my other 5 star dpses in Abyss even in this age of cryo hell. The best thing about Ganyu is the versatily between freeze and melt, which means the door is always open for her regardless of the team I play in the other side. Every abyss she's one of my first choices to 36 stars and she clears very comfortably when the team has defensive utility, but it's also fun to try her shieldless for some amateur speedrunning. Besides that, she's easily one of the best dpses for domains and overworld.
I've always thought Ganyu is a bit underrated. Even when Ayaka was on top of the meta. That said Hoyo have done cryo dirty in Fontaine. The element to recieve the least ammount of love and it shows. T2 seems reasonable. Pre Fontaine def T1. I still use my Ganyu though and my Ayaka it's just more difficult than the t1 dps's
I'm always using Childe in the abyss and he actually has flexibility. Hyperbloom with Nahida, Kuki and Zhongli is my favourite team and I have used it in the abyss about 9 times. For hyperbloom he needs c1, but I wouldn't say it's expensive, considering how good he is in the abyss and how much value he brings to the account
the main team i use with childe is hyerbloom, he's my hydro driver. and it's very comfy, i use it for one of my spiral abyss teams on mobil and i can 36* it
The issue with that is that Childe has down time. During his uptime he applies a lot of hydro but after his uptime you lose out on a very significant amount bloom cores that could’ve been hyperbloomed. Characters that have uptime on their application all the time like Xingqiu or Ayato are just significantly better than Childe in Hyperbloom. He "works" because it’s hyperbloom but using Xingqiu will give you significantly better results
finally a content creator that respects klees damage (coming from a person who got klee on her first banner, she carried me through so many early abyss runs)
@@ChrisUchiha7 you can say that about the rest of the tier 2 and tier 3 carries if not a bunch of the t1 carries. this isnt about pull value its about strength when you do play them and klee is up there. carries tend not to have much value once you get a few top tier carries. if you did want to approach pulling purely from added account value
It's a gacha game so at some point naturally the new units will be much stronger and easier to play I still enjoy using klee and childe and they are good enough
@@mickysaif being a cryo party-wide healer is relevant with Furina around, she is featured in Neuv's 2nd most popular team (1st one being Baizhu instead of Charlotte, and she beats Zhongli who is at 3rd), and she also opens up Furina Freeze comps This cycle her usage rate is 5th highest among 4-stars, beating Faruzan, Chevreuse and Fischl
10:55 I didn't realise you kinda shadow dropped ur tierlist in this video I'm very satisfied with all your placements in the uppertier. I hope there's not too much changed
im surprised ayato didn't make this list he's a really comfortable DPS to play and he's also one of the most flexible DPS his damage isn't the best but it's decent enough to clear abyss and over world he also contributes a lot to teams with his insane amount of Hydro application and how fast he is and he has a lot of teams for example, international, hyperbloom taser just to name a few I also think ganyu very underrated EDIT: I forgot to mention that both ganyu and ayato can even be used as great off field supports and sub DPS
As someone who has both units, The problem with Ayato is that Kokomi pretty much outclasses him in almost every situation, sure he has some teams where he’d be a better fit on paper, however overall people would much rather use Kokomi as you’re trading some damage (which is arguable if you’re running her on OHC or in dendro teams where she often out damages him) and some AoE for much more comfort, alongside having the option to run supportive weapons and artifacts on her.
True Ayato is the comfiest national variant, even if its not the highest dmg You always have hydro app on demand (unlike childe) and also have resistance to interruption (unlike C0 neuvilette) I have all three of them btw
Lisa is underrated by the community imho. Her kit is thoughtful and great for aggravate. She’s also a good hyperbloomer since her tap E has a small AOE for triggering hyperblooms.
For me it's Ayato. Since Neuvilette's release everyone neglects Ayato while he is still the most versatile character in the game. He works in any roll, main dps, sub dps, support and applicator on/off field. He works in any hydro based team, which is almost every meta team. And works as a hyper carry due to good personal damage
C6 Faruzan is T1 bcuz she carries her niche, with that standard I think Mika was done dirty the most. Not only he also carries his niche but he can even be used out of it by NA spam units like Wanderer n Wrio and as if it wasnt enough he is also a decent option for Furina. His niche is weaker than Faru's one so I can understand that we dont put them in the same tier but T2 or T3 at very least.
Yun jin is even worse. She can only be used by wanderer, ayato, and yoimiya effectively and only in ST. Even then she isn’t best in slot. At least mika is best in slot somewhere
Mika isn’t necessary for the niche. Even at c6 he’s barely an upgrade to a Bennett, Raiden Rosario team. The fact that the character he was MADE to support, Eula, has her best team being Hyperbloom… Faruzan is ESSENTIAL to make Xiao and Wanderer good, and both of them outperform Eula heavily. Mika isn’t even in Eula’s best team (He’s still pretty good as a Furina healer in a normal attack team but…that’s not really high tier worthy)
@@levi3248 Mika easily improves Eula n Fremi's best teams in the physical archetype. ("Raiden Mika Furina" is more consistant n convenient than "Raiden Furina Bennett" or "Raiden Rosaria Bennett"). Hyperbloom is not a Eula team, Eula is just a filler for the meme here so I dont count it. He is less necessary than Faruzan ofc but he has almost as much impact on his main dps as she does since he brings a reliable Furina support. So again , I dont see him equal to Faru n nobody was talking about high tier worthy but he totally deserves T3 at very least.
Tier 3 was WILD for Klee. That's coming from someone who has her benched most of the time but I still recognize she's borderline 2 possibly 1. Childe too. He has one real team but that team is one of the best AOE teams in the game. Easy T1
@@NatalyHaldey It definitely works because hyperbloom is just a great mechanic and abyss really isn't that difficult for invested accounts but it's definitely not a team meant for him as much. You don't really need/want that much hydro on hyperbloom teams
yeah, high tier 2 or lower tier 1. when furina came out and i tried building klee properly for the first time, i was blown away by her performance because she is so incredibly underrated by the community and i didnt expect anything special. now i consistently test her each abyss and she always has some of the better clear times. my other characters also use 5* weapons while she just needs widsith and still performs. kinda like wanderer though since shes squishy/hard to pilot
Everyone who places klee low is either a meta chaser or literally never played her. And it feels like no one has ever recognised the ridiculous power of her c1
One of my favorite things about Navia is that she makes so many 1.0 characters relevant. I’m tired of everyone using some version of a xiangling, bennet, fischl, xinqiu team (idc if they’re good. It’s so boring.) I plan on building a mono cryo Rosaria, Kaeya, Chongyun w Navia eventually cause they’re some of my fav characters and I wanna use them
I've been using Navia with Albedo, Rosaria and Diona, and that team has been a blast for me. Chiori, Kaeya and Layla can all be used as substitutes but I find Albedo and Rosaria to provide most crystalize shards for Navia.
Navia is pretty good in the sense thet basicly you can give any off-field elemental applicator + defensive unit to her and she will work well in any combination. I still think she is one of the cheapest main carry charatcerin the game, you don't need any fancy support for her only a good artifact sets or a good weapen and she already good to go.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 exactly why I use her! I’m extremely f2p (I’ve never even bought a welkin) and I started playing around 2022, but not really seriously until Kaveh’s banner. I don’t really have that many characters built, but she’s extremely versatile and I can basically plug her into any team and she’ll do well
@@sugarghost8777 I really enjoy thet aspect of her as well. People say she really want Bennet, but she is so strong on a base line thet I can use double cryo with 67 crit rate with the Melusine Weapen and she easily clear the Abyss. Basicly allowing me to use Bennet and Xiangling on other side etc.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 yep yep! Navia doesn’t want any specific characters, I think ppl are just used to using those specific characters on every team lol. I actually don’t even have a Bennett he’s never been on any banner I’ve pulled on 😭
When you mentioned Chongyun, my heart skipped a beat 🥹 that’s literally my baby boy and I do agree that he’s in the same tier as Kaeya and Rosaria. Kaeya-Chongyun on Freeze Teams is actually good with Kaeya as the main dps.
There's a huge thing why I think Chongyun is better than Rosaria and Kaeya: Xianyun's existence. Xianyun just made him a better character than these two
I don't think he's necessarily better now, but he's certainly at least at the same level. He's a better main DPS, he has useful cooldown reduction and fun Cryo infusion, while Kaeya and Rosaria offer more Cryo application and because of that are often considered better sub-DPS units for Melt teams. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses, but I wouldn't say that any of them is significantly higher or lower in terms of power.
That's just a meme team. Youre describing an onfield dps chongyun which still pales in comparison to other teams. . Kaeya, rosa fills offfield dps+support roles. They are just that good as 4* units on many teams.
first of all, the best part of all this is we know it doesn´t matter what tier is your favourite character, you can clear all content with her/him. Also I´m super surprised. I´m main Klee since its first release, have her at C6 and top 1%. I know people don´t like her because it requires time and repetition to master the right ranges etc etc and because of that I´m used to people underrating her. I don´t mind cause as said, I know I can play any character and still clear abyss full stars BUT it made me so happy to listen you find her underrated
Kirara is 100% best girl. I run her most often with Nahida/Kuki/Ayato and it’s super comfy and made me extremely lazy tbh. I had sac sword on her for a while and the double backflip with her skill is so much fun
I got in unexpected early tartag last rerun and international has been my lord and savior ever since. Im a fairly new player and to this day its been my only non furi/neuv dependent team to 9 star floor 12
Thanks for the Chongyun love! He's under-rated and carried me through the early game with Fischl, Xiangling and Traveler. Sure, he's not top tier, but off-field application is solid, damage is solid and he's a claymore, which makes him good for mining.
I left the stream after klee ranking because i noticed that a lot of people ranking don't know what some carecters can do they are ranking based on how many times they see the carecter on speed runs and streamers team's
I watched the stream live, loved the idea! and honestly I believe you should also do another video for the most overrated units because the things I’ve seen between t0 and t1 got me to the brink of a breakdown.
Klee lover here, while I know that top tier supports are top tier supports, but I found Furina and Xianyun breathed new life into Klee on my account. Popping her ult and spamming plunge attacks with Xianyun's buff while her ult and Furina's pets go off has been wild. I've used her heavily in abyss 12 recently and she's so good.
I joined towards the end of the chat stream -- it was really fun to vote on the last few. Great idea! I love Chongyun, but still only C3 for me. Maybe he'll get to C6 by Snezhnaya...
makes me so happy to see Chongyun and Thoma getting justice. Chongyun and Kaeya or Chongyun and Gaming for freeze/melt teams works so well and it makes me so happy to see him getting some love and appreciation
As always a great and helpful video! Magnificent content. Also In my opinion; if we are counting the constellations, I think Wriothesley is is grossly underrated (Day one C0 Wriothesley main here) I think the problem is that his only banner was sandwiched between Neuvillette and Furina's. This tierlist is good man, But not gonna lie Klee over Wriothesley and many other more viable units is a little triggering. Keep the good content man and good luck.
I agree Kirara underrated. She can be build as pseudo on field dps and driver in Hyperbloom team. Especially if you have Furina, she can use Marecheusse Hunter sets to up her dmg and fill the gap in Hyperbloom rotation. You got shield, dmg from burst, and a bit dendro application.
To Hell with community standards ! Even after a year i don't have a single c5/c6 characters and with the use of every resin my 4 stars has shit artifacts coz I'm always busy perfecting my 5 stars
Love this video and as someone who clears Abyss with both Wanderer and Klee, I can wholly agree. Klee in a Kleerina (Klee+Furina) or a Klee/Furina/Xianyun team is just really good. The current Abyss is so hard and I was easily able to clear it yesterday with Klee, she was a little monster. :)
everyone that puts childe in T2 its either YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAXIMIZE HIS STRENGTH or u guys just either STUPIDLY DENYING that his team is on top 3 on the abyss, dont deny it anymore and just accept it, his power is enabling so many hydro for his team and not himself
I pulled for Childe on his most recent banner (right after Neuvillette release) and I have to say, boy did I feel like he was overhyped: he did not feel like a T1 character. Maybe I got unlucky with the particular abyss that I brought him to to test him out, but the fact that he can't swap out during pyronado means that you miss out on both swirls in multi-wave content. It feels so bad to overkill a wave mid rotation, and then have your damage profile drop off a cliff while you battery Xiangling and wait for cooldowns. I'm sure if you can clear the enemies in 1.5 rotations he feels amazing, because his team's damage profile is so frontloaded, but all of the more recent characters in Sumeru and Fontaine have much more flexible rotations. Childe probably also feels a lot better with higher investment levels, but I'm f2p (rocking The Catch and Skyward Harp), and I build my characters to 36 star, not to speedrun.
Nah man you are just coping and batchesting his performance based on c2 kazuha speedruns... There are some c0 speedruns aswell but the speedrunners themselves say it took them 1-2k abyss resets. If you consider that baseline, I have nothing to tell ya. Any post 3.0 team straight up outperforms international in abyss.and thats coming from a 1.0 player who has been playing and investing in international since kazuha became first available in 1.6. T2 is generous. Xiangling has better uses and so does Kazuha.
@@mayukhmondal5552 if speedruns are the only things to define a good team, you've lost more than 80% of the players. In speedruns, Raiden Hyper and Arlecchino can straight up one shot chambers. Even Wriothesley can one shot. International has been top 5 with Childe and Kazuha WITHOUT five star weapons. Only 3.0 team that will ever outdamage international is Alhaitham's quickbloom team and MAYBE Tighnari in ST. Nilou and Cyno are good but straight up can't even compete. Even in 4.0, Neuvillette and Arlecchino are the only ones who can compete with international. If anything I think you just proved the point every body brings up when they say Childe is underrated. Cause he just really is
@@HarmoniusChoir brother you need a reality check. Aoe multitarget content nilou consistently outperforms international if international cannot one rotate the chamber . Your baseline hyperbloom teams oftentimes end up outperforming international under a similar clause Lyney has been straight up outperforming international in both single target and multi target and so is navia .. There is now a plethora of teams with furina which on a casual level outperform international, one of them being kokomi mono hydro .🤣 And talking of comfort Do you know what totally outpaces international and is significantly more comfortable? Neuvellete instead of tartaglia in THE SAME TEAM . I suggest you play different things with an open mind , see it for yourself instead of taking opinions you catch online
@@mayukhmondal5552 You need to think more critically. Nilou outperforming internat is cap. Internat has quad scalings unlike nilou so from a theoretical standpoint, nilou is out of the picture. Firstly, she literally can't do anything when its ST and when elemental checks come in. Secondly, even in aoe, opponents would sometimes literally spread out apart and it just feels horrible. Alhaitham quickbloom and maybe double hydro hb only outperforms internat in ST. Aint no way bro said Lyney and Navia outperforms internat in AOE 💀. When elemental checks comes in, Lyney wont stand a chance. In addition, Lyney is pretty much ST unless you somehow keep opponents grouped up for his CA and skill to hit- which sometimes isn't possible. Using Tartag to keep the grouping should be relatively easier since knockback. The grouping argument stays the same for Navia, but its harder for her to keep them grouped so its safe to say she basically have no aoe. Also, if you cant kill opponents fast enough with 2 skills, you're pretty much done. Regarding the kokomi team you mentioned, it is more expensive than internat, and it isnt that good in AOE and falls off when elemental checks come in. You do realize that Neuve national (neuv - benny- xl - kaz) is for from optimal 💀. If your neuv is c0, he'll likely get knocked around in that team💀. Talk abt comfort smh. While there certainly are teams that outperforms internat in certain scenarios, Internat still remains a great overall team (at least top 5 imo).
Maybe I am a little biased (a lot biased, he is my favourite character ever of all time and the only character so far I have triple crowned) but I think Diluc should be higher up tbh, especially after the release of Furina and Xianyun, and especially if we say you have done some investment into him (I know very well it takes a lot of investment for him to do a fair amount of damage). I have done 370k plunges on my Diluc with a friend's Furina (I am getting her don't worry, just waiting for her rerun) and that was with Crimson Witch and not with Marachaussee Hunter which would be bis for that team. Honestly I keep being surprised sometimes how much damage he can do (I don't even have a five star weapon on him yet, because f2p), even when I solo and run Yelan instead of Furina. I don't think he necessarily belongs in the highest tier, but I would argue for bumping him up a tier imo, but I will admit it takes a lot of investment to get him to do a lot of damage in turn.
As a regular viewer of your channel, thank you for giving your unbiased opinion on characters. You mentioned before that you're not the biggest fan of Wanderer, so seeing him on this list was surprising. This is another reason why I highly value your opinion and love your content :)
I'm surprised but also not surprised to see Amber at lowest tier. Most ppl don't get lucky enough to get her cons (esp. to c4). Once you build her, she can slay with the bunny bombing in melt comps (works great with Layla). I saw nukes up to 80+k, and with bennet even 150+k. Plus, she is a bow character which I believe is hard to play for ppl using a gamepad/phone rather than with a mouse. Understandable but underrated.
Childe international still is pretty good in single target cause xiangling burst will hit 2 times per circle (most boss hit boxes are large if not you can dash close to the enemy clockwise right when xiangling tornado hit. Wanderer is decent with investment but at the baseline I think he is not underated.
I love using kirara on aggravate teams, the shield is super helpful for no interruptions, and with her ( I think ) c4 she applies a decent amount of denro with regular attacks when that shield is up. She's even a part of my favourite yae team, baizhu, yae, kirara, kazuha, even prefer using her to fischl in that slot, super comfy
Just out of curiosity: Can someone tell me where the ranking system of "T0, T1, T2" instead of just "S to F Tier" suddenly came from? And... why? I mean, once you get it, it's clear enough, but it just confuses my why so many people suddenly changed to use that instead of the Letters we've known for years.
It has always been a thing. For instance, tier 1 special forces refer to the most elite units in the military. IMO it is a more objective system than letter, because there is no "good"/"bad" value judgement in the ranking. 1 just means above 2, which is above 3. Whereas with letter there is an association with school grades and failing, so you get inflationary A-, A+, S, SS, SSS so that people don't get butthurt that their favorite is B or C.
@@phoenixlau Huh, thanks. Didn't know that origin. As for the other part... I mean, I get the idea, but I hardly think that this other way will change anything about that. The same people that get butthurt and/or introduce "SSS OMEGA GOD HYPER TIER" to the equation, will still bring "Tier -1, -2" to "Tier Infinity" to this kind of scheme.
Klee does not need cons to be good. She has a few teams she works well on but my favorite 2 is mono pyro (Klee, Bennett, Xiangling, Kazuha) and Klee/Furina vape (Klee, Nahida, Furina, Baizhu). These teams of mine are devastating on floor 12 abyss and I even got some vids of that posted too. I had already tried out Klee in the current patch 4.6 abyss and on second half she is a killer. Those beefy electro and cryo shields means nothing to her and the multiple waves of trash just fall over to her onslaught. My Klee is c0.
I caught the start of the stream, and it looked like it was going to be funny when Anemo and Geo MCs were put in the same tier. T3 is the most amusing to me with Dendro MC, Yanfei, Barbara, Yun Jin, and Diluc all lumped together.
Actually the most egregious placements are fishl and yae. Fischl is literally electros face and is quite literally everywhere her synergy w dendro w her a4 passive can make her off field damage comparable to ur on field carry, like shes one of the best characters in the game no doubt and she’s very tier 0. And yae (specially if u put childe and scaramouche in tier 1) desserves to be moved up a tier. Not only she works great as a carry being the best electro one before clorinde, she’s also rlly easy to play with free rotations that let u adjust as u see fit. And besides all that she’s also a great off field unit like for example in alhaitham teams. You are greatly underestimating the power of electro
I would say most underrated is mika , I remind you that we are talking about c6 characters, mika c4 good healler for furina team, c6 give huge buff , noblesse wearer , potentially clorinde buffer in furina team, (clorinde/ furina / mika / +1 )
Kirara is just fun to play. I have her hybrid shield/ sub dps (c6, deep wood, wolf fang) and enjoy taking her to co-op. She dishes out decent dps, shields and buffs others, and just adorable 🤷
Chongyun was my first 4 star pull besides Noelle. I currently have him in a mono geo team with geo trav, Noelle, and Gorou. Noelle is my DPS, i have noblese set on geo trav, millelith set on Gorou, and Exile set on Chongyun. Noelle is running Gladiator. It's been a fun team for me.
I had a specific niche with chongyun. His CD reduction allows for a insanely comfy sac sword XQ. I sometimes still swap out ZL for Chongyun if the enemy boss is not that aggressive in my 2 hydro Hu Tao team.
I main Tartaglia and IMO people really undersell his team choices. He absolutely isnt locked to international. I've successfully used him in hyperbloom and burgeon to get 9* worthy results. Some of his burgeon teams have IMO some of the highest AoE damage in the game, they just delete groups.
im not sold on burgeon. Nahida driver XQ produces more seeds than nahida off field Childe. Like almost double the amount of seeds. So your non buffed, non vaping childe needs to make up that dmg somehow. idk about that one chief
@@BluecoreG I just bring double Dendro, don't need XQ with Tartagles. That's the whole reason he's so good in national - his on-field hydro application is uncontested
Klee got super buffed being able to forward vape Furina, but I still find her way too obnoxious to play in a slot that has a ton of competition. Kirara has been a staple of my Abyss teams for ... well since she came out. Plenty of dendro for Aggravate, a super chunky shield, and shockingly good burst damage.
The changes you made were probably the main ones I was looking at, ad personally, having both, i would value klee to be above lyney, and maybe over hu tao, even if this take it's controversial, I'm having better runs with my c0 kleerina team rather than my hu tao c1 homa teams... I would also put thoma higher in the tier 2 ranking, maybe also tier one... It's team has a great variety of elemental brakes, like, at the base, you have dendro, best for hydro, and great against electro, pyro, best against dendro and cryo, great against electro and hydro, best against pyro, great against dendro... Also, the last slot can literally be anyone, you can insert a fischl, a layla, a zhongli or Noelle for those enemies who necessitate geo element... Noelle should really be in tier 2, it's just inesplicabile for me to see her in tier 3 while xiao it's in tier 1, even if I really love xiao... She it's probably one of the most slept on character since release, everyone brought up her needing c6 to be good as a mean to put her low in the list, but she offers some incredible contributions while having the most simple and comfy play style... She has incredible aoe while offering single target dmg comparable to xiao and wanderer... She has the most flexible play style, being able to switch off field whenever she wants maintain her burst... She has one of the most f2p friendly team, composed by geo traveler, gorou and the only 5 star you would really need for her, furina... The only real downside it's it's efficiency against elemental shields... You would really consider me crazy for what I'm about to say, but I would consider c6 Candace as a tier 2 character... It's the hydro unit I have the best experience playing with arlecchino, other than other teams I've been experimenting with as my curiosity on why she was considered so bad... Lisa and mona are are underated for me a bit, I would consider them tier 2, both having their pros and cons, but you can work around them, lisa, being great in aggravate, and good in hyperbloom even if limited by her burst area, being also one of the best supports for dmg due to her a4, only needing lv70 for that mean and still performing great... Mona even doe her buff last for a small window of time, it's a great buff, and for some characters that have a really small window of dmg, like raiden, she can be comparable to furina dmg buff minus some of the personal dmg, which, if you know how her omens work, you could build into to geat some really good nuking potential, and also her c2 if you manage to group some pyro shields, you can burst into them with great ease, I sometimes find myself choosing her instead of furina for my raidens teams, getting comparable or even better times than with her... Going farst for others... I would have put razor a tier higher, gorou a tier higher, maybe even sara which dmg is really underrated, deyha a tier higher, also diona and layla, rosaria also a tier higher, geo traveler it's a bit slept one but for me, he's definitely t3, a really good asset for geo teams, sometime unreplaceable, collei a tier higher, maybe 2 in the tight scenarios, diluc a tier higher, kokomi a tier lower and raiden maybe a tier higher with also al haitham. Fischl should have been t0 for how her contribution to the team with little to no field time. I just noticed, why is cheveruse tier 1, I would even go as far as to say I value her to be even better than Bennett due to not applying pyro on the allies. And I would also put jean on tier 1, based on many factors, and the fact that even while being built (by me) like a toddler hit by a truck she has an incredible healing and surprisingly good anemo dmg...
If anything Kaeya and Rosaria should go up. Yes I know, cryo isen't meta etc. But Natlan is around the corner. I think in the nation of fire this element will be pog again. Well, we will see.
I use kirara all the time in my Keqing team at c0 and I really like here. And I think she is the best dendro for my team. Application is fine and shield is really strong. I heard Nahida dendro application could be to strong and I am missing the defence. Yaoyao is fine but doesn't give interruption resistance and Baizhu I don't have and I don't know how good his dendro application is
I mean, I agree with T1 placement for Childe, but a lot of teams can werck triple Kenki easily. I actually played International on 2nd half more since it's great for all the shields.
Was there at the time - I think chat got caught up in being like - 'you cant put X character there! Y character is there and they dont compare!' instead of focusing on each individuals power, it became about comparison. Also its impossible to know but I think a lottt of people voted for characters they dont own/haven't used, so that skewed results (referring to Klee here)
Agree with Kirara same tier as Yaoyao. She trades easy healing for better buffing potential. Kirara is probably the 2nd best Key of Khajnisut user. It's easy to trigger 3 hits with her cat box form, and she can give the team around 100+ EM
Diluc in T3 below Keqing and Cyno when his Xianyun teams deal like triple the damage of multiple DPSes in T2 and matches up to T1 DPSes. I don't even wanna complain at this point, because this is such a joke.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION dori is also underrated shes an all rounder off field healer/applicator. Her being a claymore user can be a positive as her summon can apply her opponents while staggered.( A window ) ( Look at iito and hes bull ). But her summon are complex little. ( A little ) ( Like every character in this game really as each has hes own strengh and weaknesses) No character can be another one 100%. She us like a second neolle. ( Almost ) Both are solid and underrated as hell.
You have clearly not seen childe burgeon with thoma... It goes Childe, Thoma, Nahida and Kazuha with nahida on prototype amber. It is THE best team in AoE in the game...
Jello and chat forgot about Eula just like Hoyo forgot about physical as a whole. She is at least as good as the Dps in T2 it's not her fault that people build Eula with like 30% crit rate
its so annoying to see like at a base line she is on par with xiao but their supports are night and day. Xiao's current best team is 200% increase compared to his solo performance while for eula her best team 82% better than her alone with superconduct. And the little iq take is "eula bad" when in reality her supports are. hoepfully varka changes that and tsaritsa
I agree Childe is a T1 character (maybe at the bottom or in the middle), but your reasons are very weak and you haven’t mentioned things such as er threshold and the difference between playing Childe international right and playing it casually
Stupid Idea, Xinyan with the new Burgin set and EM, to trigger burgin? I got her C6 but not really using her, got Eula, so, is it possible? Test maybe?
It's bad Xinyans shield is the thing that does the Pyro hits This shield scales with Def This shield is not very strong even if build with max Def. Burgeon does damage to your shield A Full EM Xinyan shield is as thin as papaer and a single Burgeon proc will destroy it And without a shield no Pyro hits Result: No Burgeons anymore
Honestly, the list of underrated characters is just a task too great for just one video. There are just so many characters that if they don't hit insane numbers or do something crazy they get booted to the bottom of tier lists. Let's take Dehya for an example and while it's not even a debate that she got done dirty on her kit but at the same time she does have a use defensively and she has a really fun playstyle. When I wasn't using Dehya I could tell a visible difference in my party survivability. The interruption resistance might not last as long as it should but it was enough for me to set up my supports without being knocked back. Then I actually had to start dodging things where with her I was just face rolling things going unga bunga. She might not be SS ranking but at the same time she isn't as useless as some people try to make her out to be. Genshin's community I have to say can be pretty toxic. Many players tend to form opinions based off of personal bias or follow someone else's and then act like you are a moron if you don't agree though. Back when I first started Genshin about three years ago Geo units like Noelle and Nigguang carried me to the end game. Noelle is a pretty solid unit and Ningguang is a really solid character in the early game. Especially, if you got lucky enough to have c6. This was even before the buff via resonance. People acted like I was a complete moron but these units carried me to the end game. For the longest of times Noelle was in my every party. I don't think people should blindly follow tier lists and other people's opinions. I been playing myself for around three years and can vouch there is plenty of room to use units you like if you build and support them properly. Even more so now because there is much more options than we used to have including a whole new element.
Klee is low in the tierlist because Xiangling HuTao, Arlecchino, Yoimiya and Yanfei exist....I have to agree on Thoma, he is very underrated, and very useful and flexible in the abyss if you need a pyro unit just to break some cryo shields with your hyperbloom team. I leveled him up lomg ago and used for the first time in this abyss, and he did his job.
I run Childe in a Cope Vape team with Arlecchino, Bennet and either sucrose, Lynette or my boy Albedo 😂. Is it good..... no 👎 Is it fun.... HELL YEA! It Is! 😎. Managed to 36 star abyss with this wacky team 😆.
And dulic should be T2 ! His plunge team is INSANE ! Definitely if you don’t have C6 gaming or don’t want to summon for C6 4 stars ,dulic can do the same amount of damage as gaming
I think tier lists in general are hard to make because not everyone has c6 especially of newer characters and a lot of people have c6 of the older characters so you can’t really make 4* units c0. Characters like gaming / chevreuse / kaveh / Candace maybe people have a copy or 2, but c6 is pretty rare unless it’s on a particular popular banner. Hell I didn’t even have c6 sucrose till about a month ago.
There’s others that deserved a higher spot than some on this list btw. You’ll see all the changes on my full and final pre-natlan tier list soon!
@@trickshotftw2110This abyss floor 12 is perfect for Pyro teams, if all ur team members level and talents are highly invested it's possible for 33-36stars abyss, try burgeon instead of hyperbloom for floor 12 abyss
@@trickshotftw2110 change the strategy then by beating each chamber with different optimized teams, I really recommend watching sevyplays abyss guide or jyos spiral abyss guide beforehand xD
I won't claim that Electro Traveler is a great unit, but being in the bottom tier is pretty harsh. I have an unusual trio of Raiden, Noelle, and Yoimiya, which doesn't seem to have much synergy on the surface, but having Electro Traveler actually makes it work. The team has a good blend of offense and defense, and it rarely has energy issues. My Lumine isn't even optimized as a battery, but she still works well enough in the role.
I think Layla was done dirty on this tier list, I love using her and she was the difference in 36 starring the Abyss thanks to her shield.
I also love layla so much her sheald literally unbreakable
I used her to 36 star this time, I usually play Yoimiya shieldless but the Kenki just needed a shield and she was so comfy to play with.
Layla is top 3 shields to me in the game!
Not just that but normal attack/charged attack boost based upon 5% of her max hp as a constellation 4.
@@glitchvariable5336 bruh when? 💀
I could feel the ‘disappointed dad’ energy from Jello the whole livestream 😂
Man somehow gaved chat toddler timeout to think abt what we did but results were almost the same after revoting lawl
I saw Childe coming, the fact that his international team lasted so much in the meta is amazing
One of my friends uses kirara, and shes actually really good! She can actually dish out a lot of damage in her burst! Even with 2 piece hp 2 piece er she is pretty great!
She is my favorite 4 star shield, in standards she is my second best shielder!
I once had a tough decision to make when I got Nahida: Kick Kirara out from my Nilou Bloom team, or kick Collei out.
In the end, Kirara won thanks to her shield and the ability to carry the dmg to the enemies. With Nilous e skill, she is basically ironing the field like a big ass truck!
Tartaglia is sooooooooo fun to play and the fact that hes melee but still have the option to do range attack to target weak point of doom guard and puzzle is amazing
If the entire world map was packed full of enemies, Childe could kill them all with one swing. If only…
Of the 5 star dpses, for me it's Ganyu. As much as people say she has fallen off and can't keep up with the meta, in my experience she perform at a similar level of my other 5 star dpses in Abyss even in this age of cryo hell. The best thing about Ganyu is the versatily between freeze and melt, which means the door is always open for her regardless of the team I play in the other side. Every abyss she's one of my first choices to 36 stars and she clears very comfortably when the team has defensive utility, but it's also fun to try her shieldless for some amateur speedrunning. Besides that, she's easily one of the best dpses for domains and overworld.
Burn melt Ganyu is so much fun to play. I'm glad the Unfinished Reverie set is in the same domain as Arlecchino's set.
@@derman1907 it's my favorite team in the game. I'm still trying to finish my Navia, but I want to farm that domain so much (I also have Arlecchino).
I've always thought Ganyu is a bit underrated. Even when Ayaka was on top of the meta. That said Hoyo have done cryo dirty in Fontaine. The element to recieve the least ammount of love and it shows. T2 seems reasonable. Pre Fontaine def T1. I still use my Ganyu though and my Ayaka it's just more difficult than the t1 dps's
@@derman1907 yess bro that team feels so good. I run her with the new set, dehya em, bennet and nahida. I had very good results with the team 👍
finally someone said it
For Childe, just wait for natlan, he will be getting buffs by pyro archon or other pyro units soon
as will other hydro characters
@@Matthew_1904 no other hydro character can apply hydro as fast as childe, before you mention it, xq is ST
I think it must be pyro archon cuz I pretty sure they dont make non-archon char stronger than bennett and xl cuz they is too op.
5* xiangling and 5* bennet in natlan
I cope everyday with foward vape childe becominga thing in natlan😭
Now let's get Top 5 Most OVERRATED Characters in Genshin Impact 😂
Would be so funny to see mains get angry
Baizhu
Xiao
Beidou
Ayaka
Raiden
Xiao, Chevreuse, Xianyun, Kaeya, Albedo
Xiao, Yae Miko, Kaeya, Beidou, Mona.
the top 1 over rated is zhongli
@@1handclapswdym Ayaka? She’s in T2, no chance you’re saying she’s in the same tier as Diluc
I'm always using Childe in the abyss and he actually has flexibility. Hyperbloom with Nahida, Kuki and Zhongli is my favourite team and I have used it in the abyss about 9 times. For hyperbloom he needs c1, but I wouldn't say it's expensive, considering how good he is in the abyss and how much value he brings to the account
As a Chongyun main, I see so many non-theorycrafter creators undervalue Chongyun. This is the second time I see someone who isn't Clueless
Chongyun was bizarre. He even get buffed with the new artifact set in burn melt.
the main team i use with childe is hyerbloom, he's my hydro driver. and it's very comfy, i use it for one of my spiral abyss teams on mobil and i can 36* it
Glad to know that works! I've been curious about Childe hyperbloom
I use him in hyperbloom too, really like this team
The issue with that is that Childe has down time. During his uptime he applies a lot of hydro but after his uptime you lose out on a very significant amount bloom cores that could’ve been hyperbloomed. Characters that have uptime on their application all the time like Xingqiu or Ayato are just significantly better than Childe in Hyperbloom. He "works" because it’s hyperbloom but using Xingqiu will give you significantly better results
finally a content creator that respects klees damage (coming from a person who got klee on her first banner, she carried me through so many early abyss runs)
After arle, klee’s dps is not worth the 5 star price.
Klee helped me get my first 36 star, she’s great ✨
she is cute but now we have too many good dps. Arlec and Neu are crack for example
@@ChrisUchiha7 you can say that about the rest of the tier 2 and tier 3 carries if not a bunch of the t1 carries. this isnt about pull value its about strength when you do play them and klee is up there. carries tend not to have much value once you get a few top tier carries. if you did want to approach pulling purely from added account value
It's a gacha game so at some point naturally the new units will be much stronger and easier to play
I still enjoy using klee and childe and they are good enough
We did my girl Charlotte dirty 😭😭😭
there's literally nothing special about her kit tho except camera
shes worst than mika lmao
@@yeager6947 she is the only real off-field cryo ap, which is only really useful if you need that extra 15% crit
@@mickysaif being a cryo party-wide healer is relevant with Furina around, she is featured in Neuv's 2nd most popular team (1st one being Baizhu instead of Charlotte, and she beats Zhongli who is at 3rd), and she also opens up Furina Freeze comps
This cycle her usage rate is 5th highest among 4-stars, beating Faruzan, Chevreuse and Fischl
@@musicaltarrasqueLayla is really sad reading this hahahahahhahaah
10:55 I didn't realise you kinda shadow dropped ur tierlist in this video I'm very satisfied with all your placements in the uppertier. I hope there's not too much changed
im surprised ayato didn't make this list he's a really comfortable DPS to play and he's also one of the most flexible DPS his damage isn't the best but it's decent enough to clear abyss and over world he also contributes a lot to teams with his insane amount of Hydro application and how fast he is and he has a lot of teams for example, international, hyperbloom taser just to name a few I also think ganyu very underrated EDIT: I forgot to mention that both ganyu and ayato can even be used as great off field supports and sub DPS
As someone who has both units, The problem with Ayato is that Kokomi pretty much outclasses him in almost every situation, sure he has some teams where he’d be a better fit on paper, however overall people would much rather use Kokomi as you’re trading some damage (which is arguable if you’re running her on OHC or in dendro teams where she often out damages him) and some AoE for much more comfort, alongside having the option to run supportive weapons and artifacts on her.
True Ayato is the comfiest national variant, even if its not the highest dmg
You always have hydro app on demand (unlike childe) and also have resistance to interruption (unlike C0 neuvilette)
I have all three of them btw
Ayato is irrelevant in meta cus neuv exists
@@Ben-vg6ox did you read the title? it said underrated characters
Lisa is underrated by the community imho. Her kit is thoughtful and great for aggravate. She’s also a good hyperbloomer since her tap E has a small AOE for triggering hyperblooms.
Childe suffers the curse of only being understood by those who play him 😔
Yeah, I see so many people say he's so bad yet they put the worst artifact known to man on him with the most incapable team where he isn't flexible
@@tryme9740 Yeah like it's not even hard to build him, he thrives on 2pc 2pc!
For me it's Ayato. Since Neuvilette's release everyone neglects Ayato while he is still the most versatile character in the game. He works in any roll, main dps, sub dps, support and applicator on/off field.
He works in any hydro based team, which is almost every meta team. And works as a hyper carry due to good personal damage
C6 Faruzan is T1 bcuz she carries her niche, with that standard I think Mika was done dirty the most. Not only he also carries his niche but he can even be used out of it by NA spam units like Wanderer n Wrio and as if it wasnt enough he is also a decent option for Furina.
His niche is weaker than Faru's one so I can understand that we dont put them in the same tier but T2 or T3 at very least.
Yun jin is even worse. She can only be used by wanderer, ayato, and yoimiya effectively and only in ST. Even then she isn’t best in slot. At least mika is best in slot somewhere
Shenhe should be T1 if Faruzan is
@@polychromaa Exactly
Mika isn’t necessary for the niche. Even at c6 he’s barely an upgrade to a Bennett, Raiden Rosario team.
The fact that the character he was MADE to support, Eula, has her best team being Hyperbloom…
Faruzan is ESSENTIAL to make Xiao and Wanderer good, and both of them outperform Eula heavily.
Mika isn’t even in Eula’s best team
(He’s still pretty good as a Furina healer in a normal attack team but…that’s not really high tier worthy)
@@levi3248 Mika easily improves Eula n Fremi's best teams in the physical archetype. ("Raiden Mika Furina" is more consistant n convenient than "Raiden Furina Bennett" or "Raiden Rosaria Bennett"). Hyperbloom is not a Eula team, Eula is just a filler for the meme here so I dont count it.
He is less necessary than Faruzan ofc but he has almost as much impact on his main dps as she does since he brings a reliable Furina support.
So again , I dont see him equal to Faru n nobody was talking about high tier worthy but he totally deserves T3 at very least.
Tier 3 was WILD for Klee. That's coming from someone who has her benched most of the time but I still recognize she's borderline 2 possibly 1.
Childe too. He has one real team but that team is one of the best AOE teams in the game. Easy T1
I use Childe in hyperbloom and it's super strong, always clears the abyss perfectly
I think Childe is down by one tier by default for just being Childe.
@@NatalyHaldey It definitely works because hyperbloom is just a great mechanic and abyss really isn't that difficult for invested accounts but it's definitely not a team meant for him as much.
You don't really need/want that much hydro on hyperbloom teams
yeah, high tier 2 or lower tier 1. when furina came out and i tried building klee properly for the first time, i was blown away by her performance because she is so incredibly underrated by the community and i didnt expect anything special. now i consistently test her each abyss and she always has some of the better clear times. my other characters also use 5* weapons while she just needs widsith and still performs. kinda like wanderer though since shes squishy/hard to pilot
Everyone who places klee low is either a meta chaser or literally never played her.
And it feels like no one has ever recognised the ridiculous power of her c1
I rolled for Nilou's weapon.
It's for Kirara. Nilou can use that umbrella thingy.
One of my favorite things about Navia is that she makes so many 1.0 characters relevant. I’m tired of everyone using some version of a xiangling, bennet, fischl, xinqiu team (idc if they’re good. It’s so boring.) I plan on building a mono cryo Rosaria, Kaeya, Chongyun w Navia eventually cause they’re some of my fav characters and I wanna use them
I've been using Navia with Albedo, Rosaria and Diona, and that team has been a blast for me. Chiori, Kaeya and Layla can all be used as substitutes but I find Albedo and Rosaria to provide most crystalize shards for Navia.
Navia is pretty good in the sense thet basicly you can give any off-field elemental applicator + defensive unit to her and she will work well in any combination. I still think she is one of the cheapest main carry charatcerin the game, you don't need any fancy support for her only a good artifact sets or a good weapen and she already good to go.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 exactly why I use her! I’m extremely f2p (I’ve never even bought a welkin) and I started playing around 2022, but not really seriously until Kaveh’s banner. I don’t really have that many characters built, but she’s extremely versatile and I can basically plug her into any team and she’ll do well
@@sugarghost8777 I really enjoy thet aspect of her as well. People say she really want Bennet, but she is so strong on a base line thet I can use double cryo with 67 crit rate with the Melusine Weapen and she easily clear the Abyss. Basicly allowing me to use Bennet and Xiangling on other side etc.
@@reactiondavant-garde3391 yep yep! Navia doesn’t want any specific characters, I think ppl are just used to using those specific characters on every team lol. I actually don’t even have a Bennett he’s never been on any banner I’ve pulled on 😭
When you mentioned Chongyun, my heart skipped a beat 🥹 that’s literally my baby boy and I do agree that he’s in the same tier as Kaeya and Rosaria. Kaeya-Chongyun on Freeze Teams is actually good with Kaeya as the main dps.
There's a huge thing why I think Chongyun is better than Rosaria and Kaeya: Xianyun's existence. Xianyun just made him a better character than these two
Fair point tbh
Chongyun, Xianyun, Shenhe and Furina is a funny team.
I don't think he's necessarily better now, but he's certainly at least at the same level. He's a better main DPS, he has useful cooldown reduction and fun Cryo infusion, while Kaeya and Rosaria offer more Cryo application and because of that are often considered better sub-DPS units for Melt teams. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses, but I wouldn't say that any of them is significantly higher or lower in terms of power.
That's just a meme team.
Youre describing an onfield dps chongyun which still pales in comparison to other teams.
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Kaeya, rosa fills offfield dps+support roles. They are just that good as 4* units on many teams.
@@mikkunmikkichi3762 It is a meme, but the damage is real though.
first of all, the best part of all this is we know it doesn´t matter what tier is your favourite character, you can clear all content with her/him.
Also I´m super surprised. I´m main Klee since its first release, have her at C6 and top 1%. I know people don´t like her because it requires time and repetition to master the right ranges etc etc and because of that I´m used to people underrating her. I don´t mind cause as said, I know I can play any character and still clear abyss full stars BUT it made me so happy to listen you find her underrated
Kirara is 100% best girl. I run her most often with Nahida/Kuki/Ayato and it’s super comfy and made me extremely lazy tbh. I had sac sword on her for a while and the double backflip with her skill is so much fun
I got in unexpected early tartag last rerun and international has been my lord and savior ever since. Im a fairly new player and to this day its been my only non furi/neuv dependent team to 9 star floor 12
Thanks for the Chongyun love! He's under-rated and carried me through the early game with Fischl, Xiangling and Traveler.
Sure, he's not top tier, but off-field application is solid, damage is solid and he's a claymore, which makes him good for mining.
I left the stream after klee ranking because i noticed that a lot of people ranking don't know what some carecters can do they are ranking based on how many times they see the carecter on speed runs and streamers team's
I watched the stream live, loved the idea!
and honestly I believe you should also do another video for the most overrated units because the things I’ve seen between t0 and t1 got me to the brink of a breakdown.
Can't believe I just found your channel yesterday. The algorithm does do its job every so often after all!
I was one of those people who gave the vote. It was fun and time went like nothing. Hope to take part in future too Jello
As someone who used both Wanderer and Arlecchino ... I agree on Thoma
Klee lover here, while I know that top tier supports are top tier supports, but I found Furina and Xianyun breathed new life into Klee on my account. Popping her ult and spamming plunge attacks with Xianyun's buff while her ult and Furina's pets go off has been wild. I've used her heavily in abyss 12 recently and she's so good.
I joined towards the end of the chat stream -- it was really fun to vote on the last few. Great idea!
I love Chongyun, but still only C3 for me. Maybe he'll get to C6 by Snezhnaya...
I need to build a better Childe. I love his crazy playing style, but have not played him that much
makes me so happy to see Chongyun and Thoma getting justice. Chongyun and Kaeya or Chongyun and Gaming for freeze/melt teams works so well and it makes me so happy to see him getting some love and appreciation
As always a great and helpful video! Magnificent content. Also In my opinion; if we are counting the constellations, I think Wriothesley is is grossly underrated (Day one C0 Wriothesley main here)
I think the problem is that his only banner was sandwiched between Neuvillette and Furina's. This tierlist is good man, But not gonna lie Klee over Wriothesley and many other more viable units is a little triggering. Keep the good content man and good luck.
I agree Kirara underrated. She can be build as pseudo on field dps and driver in Hyperbloom team. Especially if you have Furina, she can use Marecheusse Hunter sets to up her dmg and fill the gap in Hyperbloom rotation. You got shield, dmg from burst, and a bit dendro application.
To Hell with community standards !
Even after a year i don't have a single c5/c6 characters and with the use of every resin my 4 stars has shit artifacts coz I'm always busy perfecting my 5 stars
Yeah, I have a C4 Sucrose. Started in 1.1 btw 😂
Love this video and as someone who clears Abyss with both Wanderer and Klee, I can wholly agree. Klee in a Kleerina (Klee+Furina) or a Klee/Furina/Xianyun team is just really good. The current Abyss is so hard and I was easily able to clear it yesterday with Klee, she was a little monster. :)
everyone that puts childe in T2 its either YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAXIMIZE HIS STRENGTH or u guys just either STUPIDLY DENYING that his team is on top 3 on the abyss, dont deny it anymore and just accept it, his power is enabling so many hydro for his team and not himself
I pulled for Childe on his most recent banner (right after Neuvillette release) and I have to say, boy did I feel like he was overhyped: he did not feel like a T1 character. Maybe I got unlucky with the particular abyss that I brought him to to test him out, but the fact that he can't swap out during pyronado means that you miss out on both swirls in multi-wave content. It feels so bad to overkill a wave mid rotation, and then have your damage profile drop off a cliff while you battery Xiangling and wait for cooldowns. I'm sure if you can clear the enemies in 1.5 rotations he feels amazing, because his team's damage profile is so frontloaded, but all of the more recent characters in Sumeru and Fontaine have much more flexible rotations. Childe probably also feels a lot better with higher investment levels, but I'm f2p (rocking The Catch and Skyward Harp), and I build my characters to 36 star, not to speedrun.
Nah man you are just coping and batchesting his performance based on c2 kazuha speedruns...
There are some c0 speedruns aswell but the speedrunners themselves say it took them 1-2k abyss resets.
If you consider that baseline, I have nothing to tell ya.
Any post 3.0 team straight up outperforms international in abyss.and thats coming from a 1.0 player who has been playing and investing in international since kazuha became first available in 1.6. T2 is generous. Xiangling has better uses and so does Kazuha.
@@mayukhmondal5552 if speedruns are the only things to define a good team, you've lost more than 80% of the players. In speedruns, Raiden Hyper and Arlecchino can straight up one shot chambers. Even Wriothesley can one shot. International has been top 5 with Childe and Kazuha WITHOUT five star weapons. Only 3.0 team that will ever outdamage international is Alhaitham's quickbloom team and MAYBE Tighnari in ST. Nilou and Cyno are good but straight up can't even compete. Even in 4.0, Neuvillette and Arlecchino are the only ones who can compete with international. If anything I think you just proved the point every body brings up when they say Childe is underrated. Cause he just really is
@@HarmoniusChoir brother you need a reality check.
Aoe multitarget content nilou consistently outperforms international if international cannot one rotate the chamber .
Your baseline hyperbloom teams oftentimes end up outperforming international under a similar clause
Lyney has been straight up outperforming international in both single target and multi target and so is navia ..
There is now a plethora of teams with furina which on a casual level outperform international, one of them being kokomi mono hydro .🤣
And talking of comfort
Do you know what totally outpaces international and is significantly more comfortable? Neuvellete instead of tartaglia in THE SAME TEAM .
I suggest you play different things with an open mind , see it for yourself instead of taking opinions you catch online
@@mayukhmondal5552 You need to think more critically.
Nilou outperforming internat is cap. Internat has quad scalings unlike nilou so from a theoretical standpoint, nilou is out of the picture. Firstly, she literally can't do anything when its ST and when elemental checks come in. Secondly, even in aoe, opponents would sometimes literally spread out apart and it just feels horrible.
Alhaitham quickbloom and maybe double hydro hb only outperforms internat in ST.
Aint no way bro said Lyney and Navia outperforms internat in AOE 💀. When elemental checks comes in, Lyney wont stand a chance. In addition, Lyney is pretty much ST unless you somehow keep opponents grouped up for his CA and skill to hit- which sometimes isn't possible. Using Tartag to keep the grouping should be relatively easier since knockback.
The grouping argument stays the same for Navia, but its harder for her to keep them grouped so its safe to say she basically have no aoe. Also, if you cant kill opponents fast enough with 2 skills, you're pretty much done.
Regarding the kokomi team you mentioned, it is more expensive than internat, and it isnt that good in AOE and falls off when elemental checks come in.
You do realize that Neuve national (neuv - benny- xl - kaz) is for from optimal 💀. If your neuv is c0, he'll likely get knocked around in that team💀. Talk abt comfort smh.
While there certainly are teams that outperforms internat in certain scenarios, Internat still remains a great overall team (at least top 5 imo).
Maybe I am a little biased (a lot biased, he is my favourite character ever of all time and the only character so far I have triple crowned) but I think Diluc should be higher up tbh, especially after the release of Furina and Xianyun, and especially if we say you have done some investment into him (I know very well it takes a lot of investment for him to do a fair amount of damage). I have done 370k plunges on my Diluc with a friend's Furina (I am getting her don't worry, just waiting for her rerun) and that was with Crimson Witch and not with Marachaussee Hunter which would be bis for that team. Honestly I keep being surprised sometimes how much damage he can do (I don't even have a five star weapon on him yet, because f2p), even when I solo and run Yelan instead of Furina.
I don't think he necessarily belongs in the highest tier, but I would argue for bumping him up a tier imo, but I will admit it takes a lot of investment to get him to do a lot of damage in turn.
Plunge diluc is great, he works well even on floor 12 with that team, he definatly deserves to be bumped up 1 if not 2 tiers.
Overload klee with chevruse is actually pretty good especially if paired with beidou. She's not damage per screenshot character per say
Being in this livestream voting for the characters rank was one of the most fun and annoying feeling I’ve ever felt hahahaha 😂
As a regular viewer of your channel, thank you for giving your unbiased opinion on characters. You mentioned before that you're not the biggest fan of Wanderer, so seeing him on this list was surprising. This is another reason why I highly value your opinion and love your content :)
Intergrassional totally forgotten by everyone :'(
Ayato imo aka just slot everywhere and then hold mouse button, it worked anytime
I'm surprised but also not surprised to see Amber at lowest tier. Most ppl don't get lucky enough to get her cons (esp. to c4). Once you build her, she can slay with the bunny bombing in melt comps (works great with Layla). I saw nukes up to 80+k, and with bennet even 150+k.
Plus, she is a bow character which I believe is hard to play for ppl using a gamepad/phone rather than with a mouse. Understandable but underrated.
New day new jello video, couldn't ask for a better start of my day 😁😁
This abyss my burgeon C2 Klee slaps all enemies shields away like it was a paper blanket xD
Hey Jello, can you do a traveller guide? Give builds and teams for every possible element traveller can obtain? :)
Childe international still is pretty good in single target cause xiangling burst will hit 2 times per circle (most boss hit boxes are large if not you can dash close to the enemy clockwise right when xiangling tornado hit. Wanderer is decent with investment but at the baseline I think he is not underated.
I love using kirara on aggravate teams, the shield is super helpful for no interruptions, and with her ( I think ) c4 she applies a decent amount of denro with regular attacks when that shield is up.
She's even a part of my favourite yae team, baizhu, yae, kirara, kazuha, even prefer using her to fischl in that slot, super comfy
"It's easy to have C4 Xiangling" I found 1 Xiangling, (finally C1), 4 Lynette and 7 Freminet...
As a Klee main i feel recognized😊, i can consistently do 36 stars in the abyss with her, just a shame people don't like her.
I built my Chongyun as a Shatter dps, his main benefit is his Cryo infusion so you don't need anything since it's basically just a cooldown.
Geo Traveler is criminal
I got him to 100k skill damage in 4.0 thanks to Golden Troupe while he`s at 70% crit rate
Just out of curiosity: Can someone tell me where the ranking system of "T0, T1, T2" instead of just "S to F Tier" suddenly came from? And... why? I mean, once you get it, it's clear enough, but it just confuses my why so many people suddenly changed to use that instead of the Letters we've known for years.
It has always been a thing. For instance, tier 1 special forces refer to the most elite units in the military.
IMO it is a more objective system than letter, because there is no "good"/"bad" value judgement in the ranking. 1 just means above 2, which is above 3.
Whereas with letter there is an association with school grades and failing, so you get inflationary A-, A+, S, SS, SSS so that people don't get butthurt that their favorite is B or C.
@@phoenixlau Huh, thanks. Didn't know that origin. As for the other part... I mean, I get the idea, but I hardly think that this other way will change anything about that. The same people that get butthurt and/or introduce "SSS OMEGA GOD HYPER TIER" to the equation, will still bring "Tier -1, -2" to "Tier Infinity" to this kind of scheme.
Klee does not need cons to be good. She has a few teams she works well on but my favorite 2 is mono pyro (Klee, Bennett, Xiangling, Kazuha) and Klee/Furina vape (Klee, Nahida, Furina, Baizhu). These teams of mine are devastating on floor 12 abyss and I even got some vids of that posted too. I had already tried out Klee in the current patch 4.6 abyss and on second half she is a killer. Those beefy electro and cryo shields means nothing to her and the multiple waves of trash just fall over to her onslaught. My Klee is c0.
I caught the start of the stream, and it looked like it was going to be funny when Anemo and Geo MCs were put in the same tier.
T3 is the most amusing to me with Dendro MC, Yanfei, Barbara, Yun Jin, and Diluc all lumped together.
Actually the most egregious placements are fishl and yae. Fischl is literally electros face and is quite literally everywhere her synergy w dendro w her a4 passive can make her off field damage comparable to ur on field carry, like shes one of the best characters in the game no doubt and she’s very tier 0.
And yae (specially if u put childe and scaramouche in tier 1) desserves to be moved up a tier. Not only she works great as a carry being the best electro one before clorinde, she’s also rlly easy to play with free rotations that let u adjust as u see fit. And besides all that she’s also a great off field unit like for example in alhaitham teams.
You are greatly underestimating the power of electro
I cleared spiral abyss floor 12 for the first time (with 2 stars) :D
I would say most underrated is mika , I remind you that we are talking about c6 characters, mika c4 good healler for furina team, c6 give huge buff , noblesse wearer , potentially clorinde buffer in furina team, (clorinde/ furina / mika / +1 )
Charlotte is pretty much better in every team, especially with hit lag in the game, causing atk speed buff to barely functional on melee characters
Kirara is just fun to play. I have her hybrid shield/ sub dps (c6, deep wood, wolf fang) and enjoy taking her to co-op. She dishes out decent dps, shields and buffs others, and just adorable 🤷
Chongyun was my first 4 star pull besides Noelle. I currently have him in a mono geo team with geo trav, Noelle, and Gorou.
Noelle is my DPS, i have noblese set on geo trav, millelith set on Gorou, and Exile set on Chongyun. Noelle is running Gladiator. It's been a fun team for me.
Put "honorable mention" at the end of the video and mention 20 more underrated characters for memes
I had a specific niche with chongyun. His CD reduction allows for a insanely comfy sac sword XQ. I sometimes still swap out ZL for Chongyun if the enemy boss is not that aggressive in my 2 hydro Hu Tao team.
After watching DBD videos, this is just the video I needed
Im so hyped for the pre Nathan tier List
I main Tartaglia and IMO people really undersell his team choices. He absolutely isnt locked to international. I've successfully used him in hyperbloom and burgeon to get 9* worthy results. Some of his burgeon teams have IMO some of the highest AoE damage in the game, they just delete groups.
Yeah it’s true even if they aren’t as good as national he absolutely has other solid options
He's weirdly good in hyperbloom actually. I remember finding it strange when I realised lol.
im not sold on burgeon. Nahida driver XQ produces more seeds than nahida off field Childe. Like almost double the amount of seeds.
So your non buffed, non vaping childe needs to make up that dmg somehow.
idk about that one chief
Husbando burgeon is the way
@@BluecoreG I just bring double Dendro, don't need XQ with Tartagles. That's the whole reason he's so good in national - his on-field hydro application is uncontested
Klee got super buffed being able to forward vape Furina, but I still find her way too obnoxious to play in a slot that has a ton of competition.
Kirara has been a staple of my Abyss teams for ... well since she came out. Plenty of dendro for Aggravate, a super chunky shield, and shockingly good burst damage.
The changes you made were probably the main ones I was looking at, ad personally, having both, i would value klee to be above lyney, and maybe over hu tao, even if this take it's controversial, I'm having better runs with my c0 kleerina team rather than my hu tao c1 homa teams... I would also put thoma higher in the tier 2 ranking, maybe also tier one... It's team has a great variety of elemental brakes, like, at the base, you have dendro, best for hydro, and great against electro, pyro, best against dendro and cryo, great against electro and hydro, best against pyro, great against dendro... Also, the last slot can literally be anyone, you can insert a fischl, a layla, a zhongli or Noelle for those enemies who necessitate geo element... Noelle should really be in tier 2, it's just inesplicabile for me to see her in tier 3 while xiao it's in tier 1, even if I really love xiao... She it's probably one of the most slept on character since release, everyone brought up her needing c6 to be good as a mean to put her low in the list, but she offers some incredible contributions while having the most simple and comfy play style... She has incredible aoe while offering single target dmg comparable to xiao and wanderer... She has the most flexible play style, being able to switch off field whenever she wants maintain her burst... She has one of the most f2p friendly team, composed by geo traveler, gorou and the only 5 star you would really need for her, furina... The only real downside it's it's efficiency against elemental shields... You would really consider me crazy for what I'm about to say, but I would consider c6 Candace as a tier 2 character... It's the hydro unit I have the best experience playing with arlecchino, other than other teams I've been experimenting with as my curiosity on why she was considered so bad... Lisa and mona are are underated for me a bit, I would consider them tier 2, both having their pros and cons, but you can work around them, lisa, being great in aggravate, and good in hyperbloom even if limited by her burst area, being also one of the best supports for dmg due to her a4, only needing lv70 for that mean and still performing great... Mona even doe her buff last for a small window of time, it's a great buff, and for some characters that have a really small window of dmg, like raiden, she can be comparable to furina dmg buff minus some of the personal dmg, which, if you know how her omens work, you could build into to geat some really good nuking potential, and also her c2 if you manage to group some pyro shields, you can burst into them with great ease, I sometimes find myself choosing her instead of furina for my raidens teams, getting comparable or even better times than with her... Going farst for others... I would have put razor a tier higher, gorou a tier higher, maybe even sara which dmg is really underrated, deyha a tier higher, also diona and layla, rosaria also a tier higher, geo traveler it's a bit slept one but for me, he's definitely t3, a really good asset for geo teams, sometime unreplaceable, collei a tier higher, maybe 2 in the tight scenarios, diluc a tier higher, kokomi a tier lower and raiden maybe a tier higher with also al haitham. Fischl should have been t0 for how her contribution to the team with little to no field time. I just noticed, why is cheveruse tier 1, I would even go as far as to say I value her to be even better than Bennett due to not applying pyro on the allies. And I would also put jean on tier 1, based on many factors, and the fact that even while being built (by me) like a toddler hit by a truck she has an incredible healing and surprisingly good anemo dmg...
If anything Kaeya and Rosaria should go up.
Yes I know, cryo isen't meta etc. But Natlan is around the corner. I think in the nation of fire this element will be pog again. Well, we will see.
I use kirara all the time in my Keqing team at c0 and I really like here. And I think she is the best dendro for my team. Application is fine and shield is really strong.
I heard Nahida dendro application could be to strong and I am missing the defence. Yaoyao is fine but doesn't give interruption resistance and Baizhu I don't have and I don't know how good his dendro application is
Childe deserves to be in tier 1 for the simple reason that his team can wreck the triple Magu Kenki this abyss.
I mean, I agree with T1 placement for Childe, but a lot of teams can werck triple Kenki easily.
I actually played International on 2nd half more since it's great for all the shields.
Agree
Was there at the time - I think chat got caught up in being like - 'you cant put X character there! Y character is there and they dont compare!' instead of focusing on each individuals power, it became about comparison. Also its impossible to know but I think a lottt of people voted for characters they dont own/haven't used, so that skewed results (referring to Klee here)
Agree with Kirara same tier as Yaoyao. She trades easy healing for better buffing potential.
Kirara is probably the 2nd best Key of Khajnisut user. It's easy to trigger 3 hits with her cat box form, and she can give the team around 100+ EM
Diluc in T3 below Keqing and Cyno when his Xianyun teams deal like triple the damage of multiple DPSes in T2 and matches up to T1 DPSes. I don't even wanna complain at this point, because this is such a joke.
They did my man dirty, plunge diluc is criminally underrated.
now do the top 5 overatted
Lol want to see people take it personally?
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dori is also underrated shes an all rounder off field healer/applicator. Her being a claymore user can be a positive as her summon can apply her opponents while staggered.( A window )
( Look at iito and hes bull ).
But her summon are complex little. ( A little )
( Like every character in this game really as each has hes own strengh and weaknesses) No character can be another one 100%.
She us like a second neolle. ( Almost ) Both are solid and underrated as hell.
You have clearly not seen childe burgeon with thoma... It goes Childe, Thoma, Nahida and Kazuha with nahida on prototype amber. It is THE best team in AoE in the game...
No it's not
Good though
Obligatory Candace main here. Supporting my favorite unit.
Jello and chat forgot about Eula just like Hoyo forgot about physical as a whole. She is at least as good as the Dps in T2 it's not her fault that people build Eula with like 30% crit rate
its so annoying to see like at a base line she is on par with xiao but their supports are night and day. Xiao's current best team is 200% increase compared to his solo performance while for eula her best team 82% better than her alone with superconduct. And the little iq take is "eula bad" when in reality her supports are. hoepfully varka changes that and tsaritsa
The Klee placement was expected. Still sad though.
I agree Childe is a T1 character (maybe at the bottom or in the middle), but your reasons are very weak and you haven’t mentioned things such as er threshold and the difference between playing Childe international right and playing it casually
Thank you for giving Thoma some love ❤ He is indeed underrated, I barely even see comments here talking about him.
Stupid Idea, Xinyan with the new Burgin set and EM, to trigger burgin? I got her C6 but not really using her, got Eula, so, is it possible? Test maybe?
It's bad
Xinyans shield is the thing that does the Pyro hits
This shield scales with Def
This shield is not very strong even if build with max Def.
Burgeon does damage to your shield
A Full EM Xinyan shield is as thin as papaer and a single Burgeon proc will destroy it
And without a shield no Pyro hits
Result: No Burgeons anymore
Honestly, the list of underrated characters is just a task too great for just one video. There are just so many characters that if they don't hit insane numbers or do something crazy they get booted to the bottom of tier lists. Let's take Dehya for an example and while it's not even a debate that she got done dirty on her kit but at the same time she does have a use defensively and she has a really fun playstyle. When I wasn't using Dehya I could tell a visible difference in my party survivability. The interruption resistance might not last as long as it should but it was enough for me to set up my supports without being knocked back. Then I actually had to start dodging things where with her I was just face rolling things going unga bunga. She might not be SS ranking but at the same time she isn't as useless as some people try to make her out to be.
Genshin's community I have to say can be pretty toxic. Many players tend to form opinions based off of personal bias or follow someone else's and then act like you are a moron if you don't agree though. Back when I first started Genshin about three years ago Geo units like Noelle and Nigguang carried me to the end game. Noelle is a pretty solid unit and Ningguang is a really solid character in the early game. Especially, if you got lucky enough to have c6. This was even before the buff via resonance. People acted like I was a complete moron but these units carried me to the end game. For the longest of times Noelle was in my every party. I don't think people should blindly follow tier lists and other people's opinions. I been playing myself for around three years and can vouch there is plenty of room to use units you like if you build and support them properly. Even more so now because there is much more options than we used to have including a whole new element.
I'd like to see your opinion on who the best c6 4 stars are
Klee is low in the tierlist because Xiangling HuTao, Arlecchino, Yoimiya and Yanfei exist....I have to agree on Thoma, he is very underrated, and very useful and flexible in the abyss if you need a pyro unit just to break some cryo shields with your hyperbloom team. I leveled him up lomg ago and used for the first time in this abyss, and he did his job.
It's funny you mentioned Yanfei and Yoimiya while Klee Overall outperforms both of them. So if Klee is that the same thing should happen to those too
the thumbnail got me super excited for this!
I run Childe in a Cope Vape team with Arlecchino, Bennet and either sucrose, Lynette or my boy Albedo 😂. Is it good..... no 👎 Is it fun.... HELL YEA! It Is! 😎. Managed to 36 star abyss with this wacky team 😆.
What about Childe hyperbloom driver?
Also chong in noway belongs to same tier as kaeya and rosaria... Specifically if we consider them at c6
And dulic should be T2 ! His plunge team is INSANE ! Definitely if you don’t have C6 gaming or don’t want to summon for C6 4 stars ,dulic can do the same amount of damage as gaming
I think tier lists in general are hard to make because not everyone has c6 especially of newer characters and a lot of people have c6 of the older characters so you can’t really make 4* units c0. Characters like gaming / chevreuse / kaveh / Candace maybe people have a copy or 2, but c6 is pretty rare unless it’s on a particular popular banner. Hell I didn’t even have c6 sucrose till about a month ago.