Thomas Paine - Christopher Hitchens Lecture (Full)

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    'Thomas Paine's Rights of Man: A Biography'
    by Christopher Hitchens
    Christopher Hitchens, the #1 New York Times best-selling author of God Is Not Great has been called a Tom Paine for our times, and in this addition to the Books that Changed the World Series, he vividly introduces Paine and his Declaration of the Rights of Man, the world's foremost defense of democracy. Inspired by his outrage at Edmund Burke's attack on the French Revolution, Paine's text is a passionate defense of man's inalienable rights, and the key to his reputation. Ever since the day of publication in 1791, Declaration of the Rights of Man has been celebrated, criticized, maligned, suppressed, and co-opted, but in Thomas Paine's Rights of Man, Hitchens marvels at its forethought and revels in its contentiousness. Famous as a polemicist and provocative commentator, Hitchens is a political descendent of the great pamphleteer. In this engaging work he demonstrates how Thomas Paine's book forms the philosophical cornerstone of the United States of America, and how "in a time when both rights and reason are under attack, the life and writing of Thomas Paine will always be part of the arsenal on which we shall need to depend." Christopher Hitchens is a contributing editor to Vanity Fair and a visiting professor in liberal studies at the New School in New York. His books include Why Orwell Matters, Thomas Jefferson: Author of America, and God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.

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  • @artwillvideos
    @artwillvideos 10 ปีที่แล้ว +369

    "The world is my country, the mind is my church, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine

    • @TheRobdarling
      @TheRobdarling 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Terence Francis More, he was a Human Being.

    • @Aaron-oo7rs
      @Aaron-oo7rs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      "Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good", is the precise quote I believe (from the second part of the Rights of Man), with the "my mind is my own church" part being sourced in The Age of Reason. Hitchens conjoins them.

    • @marcussord5290
      @marcussord5290 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Steel MEGA nonsense

    • @marcussord5290
      @marcussord5290 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steel MEGA how eloquent

    • @timtheenchanter2062
      @timtheenchanter2062 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @uncletigger how so?

  • @okfanriffic3632
    @okfanriffic3632 8 ปีที่แล้ว +276

    "My own mind is my church, the world is my country, to do good is my religion"

    • @greenspringvalley
      @greenspringvalley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ok fanriffic T. Paine was a deist. He believed in a Creator but didn't believe he intervened in human affairs and so we had to look to one another.

    • @ilTroubadori
      @ilTroubadori 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sounds like a Dalai Lama quote 😊

    • @roboparks
      @roboparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@greenspringvalley He was Deiest like most of the Founding Fathers.

    • @sspbrazil
      @sspbrazil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      greenspringvalley many of the forefathers were Deists including Jefferson.

    • @Conn30Mtenor
      @Conn30Mtenor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roboparks if he had learned about DNA and the theory of evolution he would have morphed into an atheist.

  • @picarochi
    @picarochi 10 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    I swear, just watching Hitchens' videos has taught me a lot about the English language. One of the most erudite, passionate and eloquent figures of the contemporary world. RIP Christopher Hitchens.

    • @abloke8834
      @abloke8834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jazzkeyboardist1 zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • @VOUXE
      @VOUXE 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      For sure, and you should listen to or read Salman Rushdie, whom Christopher revered as one of the greatest commanders of the english language!

    • @firstnamelastname9179
      @firstnamelastname9179 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Karl Lentz Hell is a widely utilized fictional concept, so its properties are more or less a matter for the author of the artistic project to determine. I will cite AC/DC's 'Highway to Hell' as an example of a work of art which puts the fictional concept of 'Hell' in a positive light... in spite of the moronic belief Christians have that HELL IS REAL AND WORTHY OF FEAR.... Grow up.

    • @bak4320
      @bak4320 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, put the thesaurus away! 😂

    • @EJuliusF
      @EJuliusF ปีที่แล้ว

      @CourtofRecord Is there hell, no.

  • @jongirard2753
    @jongirard2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Oh how I wish, as a school-boy, I could have been taught history by Christopher Hitchens.

    • @Germatti13489
      @Germatti13489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@petertortora6016 because if you're taught when younger your life might have changed a great deal. Sometimes, especially after a certain age, it's not as likely to change. With maturation you will learn that sometimes you lament due to regrets.

  • @gavinstine4802
    @gavinstine4802 9 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    It's a shame that he passed away so young, christopher hitchens will be remembered for centuries. One can only hope that we will see an activist of his caliber in the upcoming generation. I will tell my children about him, he is my personal hero.

    • @thatdaddyal
      @thatdaddyal 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Gavin Stine Agreed. Have you heard of Douglas Murray? If not, check him out. Of course noone could ever 'replace' someone like Mr Hitchens, but I feel perhaps Mr Murray may be a good candidate to carry the torch on...

    • @JeremyMalies
      @JeremyMalies 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dejavaux Yes. Definitely carrying the torch. Hitchens wrote a positive review of a book that Murray published at an intimidatingly young age - possibly while still at university. There's the odd (unconscious) Hitchens turn of phrase in Douglas Murray and like Hitchens he has argued on the same side in debates with Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

    • @thatdaddyal
      @thatdaddyal 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jeremy Malies How wonderful, I didn't know that about Hitch/Murray. I will be having the utmost pleasure to be in the company of both Douglas and Ayaan at the BAM Venue in Brooklyn, NY for a discussion entitled 'Islamophobia' in a couple of days.

    • @camfam52002
      @camfam52002 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gavin Stine At the risk of mirroring religion, Amen to that!

    • @camfam52002
      @camfam52002 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gavin Stine At the risk of mirroring religion, Amen to that!

  • @ChessJew
    @ChessJew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    37:10 is a classic Hitchslap. The day he died, I had a cigarette and a glass of Johnnie Walker Black. There'll never be another man with his combination of erudition, wit, and fearlessness. I'm so grateful for his liberation of my mind.

  • @NominalTopic
    @NominalTopic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The world could use this man, especially these days. And Thomas Paine too.

    • @rightpa
      @rightpa ปีที่แล้ว

      I see what you did there... and I agree.

    • @paramidge8935
      @paramidge8935 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He would destroy the current rash of right wing pundit's - Peterson springs to mind (imagine the 'Hitch-slap' potential) and the 'young pretender' Murray. A public and nuanced conversation between Hitch and Murray would have been very entertaining. I say this in recognition of their friendship but am sure Hitch would have taught Murray to 'mind the gaps' in much of his rhetoric.

  • @niknicholson9731
    @niknicholson9731 10 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    A great man, sadly missed, a great moralist and humanitarian, proud to celebrate the beauty of the English language in his intelligence and articulacy, and proud to stand up for the principles of free speech and democracy in an age of cowardly apologists for demagoguery.

    • @stza16
      @stza16 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      You could be talking about either Hitchens or Paine.

    • @dickvarga6908
      @dickvarga6908 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @uncletigger the student failed to achieve the level of the teacher.

    • @larrybaker9924
      @larrybaker9924 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nik Nicholson =

    • @0zzySpartan117
      @0zzySpartan117 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      uncletigger It reflects quite poorly on you to base your opinion (which you expressed terribly by the way) of this great man on his support of a war, while ignoring the numerous contributions he otherwise made. Many of his biggest fans agreed he was wrong on Iraq, but that didn’t reduce them online slander. I suggest you read his work more thoroughly. More often than not people like you who eight years after his passing can’t help but vent online are religious fanatics. It wouldn’t surprise me if you are one.

    • @billscannell93
      @billscannell93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stza16 Aw, you stole my line.

  • @BlGGESTBROTHER
    @BlGGESTBROTHER 5 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    It always makes me sad to know Paine died an ostracized man. Reportedly only 6 people attended his funeral, mainly because of the negative reception of his last work, “The Age of Reason.” It’s hard to fathom how quickly the Father of the American Revolution was denounced by the very nation that he had so inspired.

    • @oliverreno4734
      @oliverreno4734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      The mob is fickle....

    • @LazyIRanch
      @LazyIRanch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Because religion destroys anything factual. One can't have the ability to reason and accept that having "faith" in anything without a modicum of evidence is foolish, and still believe in Santa Clause, um, I mean the evangelical concept of God.
      Paine was every bit a patriot, but was hated because he shone a light into dark corners and exposed the kind of "vermin" that will eat away at democracy. He showed us how many conventional beliefs and policies, though long-held and generally accepted, are just not fair or right.
      “The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
      ― H.L. Mencken

    • @larreye8451
      @larreye8451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is no lack of figures that follow in a way this exact path, think even people like Thomas Sowell.

    • @whatabouttheearth
      @whatabouttheearth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      That and he shit talked the fuck out of George Washington after Washington failed to support the French Revolution and didn't do shit when Paine was about to get executed.
      "And when President George Washington didn’t act aggressively enough to try to get him released from his French dungeon, Paine further offended Americans by writing a lengthy (64-page) public letter to Washington berating the Father of their Country for his “deceit,” “ingratitude,” “hypocrisy,” “meanness,” “vanity,” “perfidy,” and “pusillanimity,” among other character qualities. Americans had won their independence through no thanks to General Washington, Paine informed the president, for you “slept away your time in the field till the finances of the country were completely exhausted,” and deserve “but little share in the glory of the final event.” “And as to you, sir,” Paine concluded, “treacherous in private friendship . . . and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide, whether you are an apostate or an impostor; whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any?”
      Having denounced both Jesus and George Washington, Paine was now heartily despised by most Americans, to the degree that they remembered him at all. He eventually returned to the United States in the early 1800s-he had nowhere else to go-and eventually settled on a modest farm in New Rochelle, New York. There he lived in relative obscurity until his death in 1809. Most Americans now viewed him as a scoundrel and a self-promoter who turned on those who failed to support him. The author of the most popular political tract ever written in American history was laid to rest with no fanfare, and little mourning."

    • @patriziacasagrande3833
      @patriziacasagrande3833 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With his corpse dug up mutilated and pieces strewn about not to be found.

  • @sabejreid2072
    @sabejreid2072 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I HAVE THOMAS PAINE'S QUOTE ON MY WALL AT HOME - HE IS MY HERO AND ONE OF MY FAVOURITE PLACES IS LEWES IN THE UK WHERE HE USED TO LIVE.

  • @TheRuggedPyrrhus
    @TheRuggedPyrrhus 9 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Hitchens discussing Paine... Excellent!

    • @chrisfitzgerald-fleming6985
      @chrisfitzgerald-fleming6985 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Rugged Pyrrhu

    • @markmacdonald7955
      @markmacdonald7955 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It makes so much sense that Paine was one of Hitchens' idols. Great lecture!

    • @doneestoner9945
      @doneestoner9945 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm in love....... with both of these good men.

    • @ph8077
      @ph8077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I _really_ hope you did some air guitar after typing that.

  • @christopherbell4543
    @christopherbell4543 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This is classic Hitch at his best, Christopher's astonishing breadth of expertise on such a varied and meaningful array of subjects is simply awe inspiring imo. I can hear and feel that Hitch was completely in is element on this day and used his posh voice and vocabulary to It's full affect, especially when passing out his trademark Hitch Slaps which he always delivered with his unfailing wit and wisdom. We miss you Hitch, thanks for all the good you've brought to the treacherous world of the internet.

  • @mrbeaverstate
    @mrbeaverstate 10 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I can honestly say that after watching this for the past hour, I will 'never' forget what Thomas Paine looked like.

    • @mrloop1530
      @mrloop1530 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As long as you took something with you 😁

    • @truedarknessify
      @truedarknessify 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yea I listened for hours, just to memorize his hair style...

    • @amyanderson4099
      @amyanderson4099 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't ya love that nose?

  • @Siralantoon
    @Siralantoon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Christopher remained faithful to his view that GOD was an invention of man. The lie's the religious would use to
    undermine Christopher are very typical of these sad people.
    I am one who still finds his death terribly sad. I miss his voice, his insight and his rationality.

    • @MrBoreray
      @MrBoreray 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Not difficult for people who create a whole imaginary world to make a few more lies to bolster their case

    • @Tomico.
      @Tomico. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It is not only you who miss him dearly...

    • @sabejreid2072
      @sabejreid2072 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES WE KNOW GOD IS AN INVENTION BUT - HE IS A LOVELY ONE, A REDEEMING ONE WHEN ONE NEEDS BOTH.

    • @suziecreamcheese211
      @suziecreamcheese211 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea genius where did he go? Ugh?

    • @suziecreamcheese211
      @suziecreamcheese211 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m glad he’s gone and that he went the way he did.

  • @doneestoner9945
    @doneestoner9945 3 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Thomas Paine is my favourite founding father. Sad that he didn't get a lot of credit.

    • @matthewdevereux1288
      @matthewdevereux1288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Quite agree

    • @Conn30Mtenor
      @Conn30Mtenor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      He was a very loud critic of slavery, which didn't endear him to the Virginians.

    • @rudysims7386
      @rudysims7386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Because he was against slavery point blank.!!!!

    • @TerryStewart32
      @TerryStewart32 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wasn’t he an insignificant founding father and had nothing to do with the drafting of the United States of America signature declaration

    • @chickenfishhybrid44
      @chickenfishhybrid44 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rudysims7386 I think it was more than that but yeah

  • @subscriber77
    @subscriber77 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    If I were in the audience at one of Christopher Hitchens's talks, they I wouldn't allow me to stay there very long, because I'd be applauding and shouting enthusistically every time he'd make a point. So sad that he is no longer with us. So good that he left such a rich intellectual legacy.RIP Christopher.

    • @persiatuvim2860
      @persiatuvim2860 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thomas Paine is ignored for his.
      The rights of man. No longer taught in school or read . Instead the USA lost it's moral integrity,it's sense of Justice .

  • @JimiHendrix998
    @JimiHendrix998 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Everyone is given a brain, but it takes a lifetime to develop a mind. Hitch had one of the best I have ever known in my lifetime. Sadly missed.

  • @JosephNordenbrockartistraction
    @JosephNordenbrockartistraction 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The views on this pod cast keeps piling up past 120,000 now. The "Hitch" won't be forgotten for a long long time. His message of humanism will not die off but keep growing.

  • @PlntPeace
    @PlntPeace 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Miss You Christopher Hitchens... Thinking of your family and friends

  • @eddominates
    @eddominates 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    36:54 oh, it's just artful how he scoops up the religious bullshit and serves it back on a hot platter full of sizzling facts hot steamy logical conclusions. Bravo hitch, you're the god-damned best.

    • @KRAZTV
      @KRAZTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      love ur handle

  • @pmspero
    @pmspero 9 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    "Suspiciously terse"....... Love it! That will never get old.

    • @Holy_hand-grenade
      @Holy_hand-grenade 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      he really overused that intro though.

    • @blairdecoursey
      @blairdecoursey 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      alexreising85 I think Hitchens was like a standup comic, often reciting lines to keep himself in rhythm. His cadence exposed his discipline as an orator.

    • @MrBoreray
      @MrBoreray 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's a pretty HAM-fisted attempt at trolling,you hear the 'same old stuff'because people keep asking the same old fucking questions,do you expect his answers to be different every time ? also,you have the advantage of perusing almost everything he's done over the last thirty years,you've probably only heard him on YT or you'd never have heard him at all

    • @jp574
      @jp574 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Holy_Hand_Grenade-of-Antioch He used it pretty much everytime Peter made his introduction. Because Peter always gave a terse introduction. And Christopher always knew that he would. Much in line with Peter's, "Thank you very much for *my* patience," remark.

  • @stevenshields3079
    @stevenshields3079 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Miss you, buddy. Comrades across time.
    p.s.- fantastic portrait of Paine. You can feel his heart beating.

  • @Overnity
    @Overnity 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    a Linguistic Salamander that can ascend the branch of any ideology with the sharpest wit, and acerbic retorts that make his opponents eyes water... when will we ever see such a Man again... RIP +

  • @mcarlkv53
    @mcarlkv53 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    THE CRISIS - These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot, will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny like Hell is not easily conquered;yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.....One of the greatest opening paragraphs in any book ever written by man....Thomas Paine

  • @AlcibiadesMD
    @AlcibiadesMD 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I hereby declare Christopher Hitchens to be my Hero! throughout his books, discourses, Hitch-Slaps, and debates has provided me with more consolation, Wit and knowledge than did any fucking Church, Priest, or religious Nut. Long live the brilliance of this incomparable demagogue and Polymath, his thoughts provoking ideas will continue to enthrall generations for hundred and hundred of years, and his echo will never die. Long Live the voice of my Hero!

  • @linglingjr
    @linglingjr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I've heard Hitchen's name all over before, but just listening to this, he is AWESOME!

  • @blablabubles
    @blablabubles 9 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    As a Tory, a papist, and a Medievalist, I think both Paine and Hitchens were morally driven, intellegent and motivated, charismatic men.

    • @tigerlilly66
      @tigerlilly66 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      blablabubles So were Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, and Stalin.

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +tigerlilly66
      What? Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, and Stalin were "morally driven" were they? What "morals" would they be, exactly?

    • @blablabubles
      @blablabubles 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +luckyharry1000
      Ha, no, more in the sense that I admire the world view held by those in medieval Christendom; their attempt to unify all areas of life under one intellectual and moral scheme and their knowledge that religion was the foundation of all culture and that culture, insofar has it turned people toward The Good, The True and The Beautiful, The Virtuous Life, is the foundation and criterion for any just political order.

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      blablabubles WHAT? Medieval Christendom turned people towards The Good, The True and The Beautiful, The Virtuous Life, did it? Hahaha! Tell that to all the WITCHES burned at the stake! Hahaha!
      Un-fucking-believable.

    • @tigerlilly66
      @tigerlilly66 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +terrypussypower So the actions of a few misguided Christians wrong in every regard, make the entire faith and everyone who believes it null and void? really? by the standard, then you are no doubt a moronic non thinking self-centered fool because many of your atheist brethren are. You okay with that? surely you can do better than the old guilt-by-association ploy.

  • @bonnie43uk
    @bonnie43uk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Always good to come across some Hitchens audio that's new to me. Particularly when he's talking about another one of my hero's Thomas Paine.

  • @MrEstrax
    @MrEstrax 8 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    At 32:08 he mentions a book and it's difficult to hear.
    If anyone is interested in the book's name it's called: "The Black Jacobins: Toussaint L'Ouverture and the San Domingo Revolution By C.L.R. James."

  • @ricksflicks-
    @ricksflicks- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hitch is badass...But he was dead wrong about us going into Iraq after 911. That was one of the biggest self inflicted wounds my country has carried out since I've been alive and I don't think there are many people alive in Iraq that would thank us for it.

    • @brennonplays
      @brennonplays ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the most difficult thing for me to grapple with. On one hand Hitch is a great humanitarian, on the other, he was so vocal about invading Iraq that it damages his legacy a bit for me

    • @ricksflicks-
      @ricksflicks- ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brennonplays People are flawed. All you can do is acknowledge that and take what is good and valuable.

    • @The_king567
      @The_king567 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@brennonplaysnah it doesn’t the iraq war was justified

  • @shadfurman
    @shadfurman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I feel like I've got to listen to this 100x to get it all.
    Added to favorites.

  • @petopetteri178
    @petopetteri178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of best lectures I have heard. Everybody, americans most of all, should hear this.

  • @REDLEBU
    @REDLEBU 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What a heroic figure. Every few sentences there are lines that deserve etching into memory forever. To compare him to the Milo/Shapiro/Cenk/Mahers that dominate today discourse, is to compare a lion to flies.

  • @OhRaez
    @OhRaez 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thomas Paine is easily my favourite historical figure, ever.

    • @garthfarkley
      @garthfarkley ปีที่แล้ว

      Check Paine's invention of the iron bridge.

  • @danielc6106
    @danielc6106 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There is a memorial to Thomas Paine in his home town of thetford. We went to the same school. The sad thing is that we weren't taught much about him in our school. Now that I know more about Paine, I am saddened that they didn't praise him more.

  • @BroScience710
    @BroScience710 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I prefer peace, but if trouble may come. Let it come on my time so my children may have peace.
    Thomas Paine

  • @silvver13
    @silvver13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We will miss this man that shown a light on the darkness that Christians try so hard to ignore...

  • @cherylnagy126
    @cherylnagy126 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the Enlightenment, because we are alone, we must rely on each other

  • @geoffcrumblin7505
    @geoffcrumblin7505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Forever thankful that he came this way.

  • @jamesdelcol3701
    @jamesdelcol3701 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was really into Thomas Paine during college. It was a big piece of my education. His writing was so excellent. Christopher Hitchens is a centerpiece of my education.

  • @InvestingForTomorrow24
    @InvestingForTomorrow24 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thankful for this posting. As a political circulator collecting signatures for state-wide referendums and nomination petitions, usually I kept a copy of "Common Sense" in plain view. One of my favorite points from it is his sentiment that "...a thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy"

  • @carriemusic880
    @carriemusic880 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just read the quote by Thomas Paine, and it encompasses how I feel, but could not fine the words to express. Thank you.

  • @UnEasyOne
    @UnEasyOne 10 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    It's shameful that it takes a Brit to properly appreciate and identify one of the greatest men in American history, who should have a prominent place in our textbooks, but has been disgracefully shoved aside.
    My only problem with this lecture is that it was far too brief.

    • @valkyriesardo278
      @valkyriesardo278 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Hitchens was born a Brit but loved America. After Sep 11, he decided to stop living as a puddle jumper and pledge allegiance. He died a U.S. citizen. Most all of use are imported ancestry. More than a nation, America is an ideal. Hitchens became a patriot of that ideal long before he became a citizen.

    • @MasterCedar
      @MasterCedar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As was Pane.

    • @GoteeDevotee
      @GoteeDevotee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Valkyrieank. Sardo He was still British. Stop claiming him as anything but.

    • @Spiral.Dynamics
      @Spiral.Dynamics 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here are some Americans talking about just this. Paine came up with the name “United States” and often refers to them as such.
      Hedges, West & Wolfe >th-cam.com/video/itvtwoVCTxM/w-d-xo.html

    • @NR-qr2vd
      @NR-qr2vd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If Wikipedia is to be believed, the very person you claim to be 'one of the greatest men in American history', was born in the UK. So how is it, now, that Americans should feel ashamed?

  • @adamwaite2323
    @adamwaite2323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hitch was exceptionally witty to start this talk. I've learned so much from this man, it sometimes makes me wonder, what my arguments would sound like without his words...💯✌️♥️

  • @Dr.PaulCottrell
    @Dr.PaulCottrell 10 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I wish Hitchens taught more.

  • @ArnaGSmith
    @ArnaGSmith 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I remember how surprised I was at the depth of Paine's involvement in the French Revolution.

    • @Conn30Mtenor
      @Conn30Mtenor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He damn near got his head chopped off and it was by accident that he didn't.

  • @steviememphis1011
    @steviememphis1011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    lol the title makes it sound like Thomas Payne is giving a lecture about Christopher Hitchens

    • @doneestoner9945
      @doneestoner9945 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      tee-hee. True. Two wonderful human beings.

  • @JOHNNYC1969
    @JOHNNYC1969 8 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Thank you God for sending us Christopher Hitchens.

    • @tammrablaine579
      @tammrablaine579 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      😂😂😂😂

    • @CR-bq1me
      @CR-bq1me 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Good thing he isn’t rolling in his grave from that comment hahaha.
      But he is surly missed 😔

    • @darthnpc5784
      @darthnpc5784 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LOL Ironic statement considering who you are speaking about...

    • @noamfinnegan8663
      @noamfinnegan8663 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Funny, your comment tickled me somewhat. 😜

    • @davidblack2970
      @davidblack2970 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you Christopher Hitchens for debunking the idea of a god.

  • @JosephNordenbrockartistraction
    @JosephNordenbrockartistraction 10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    If Hitchens was wrong (incorrect) about anything, I'm pretty sure he wasn't far off. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't have minded so much being corrected.

    • @strugglebuggietv
      @strugglebuggietv 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      he was wrong about the iraq war,
      and smoking...

    • @JosephNordenbrockartistraction
      @JosephNordenbrockartistraction 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Strugglebuggie TV Making it a war was the wrong way to get rid of a very evil and dangerous family and Hitchens clearly explained why in other videos if you care to check. He didn't advise smoking to anyone that I know of and neither do I as I'm trying to cut down and quit. Mass producing and selling tobacco to smoke is more WRONG with what we now know about nicotine addiction. Bush was wrong to say god was on his and our side and wrong to be a follower instead of a responsible leader.

    • @strugglebuggietv
      @strugglebuggietv 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joseph Nordenbrock hitchens was a very clever man who was fooled into thinking that the irak war was for a good cause. but in fact, saddam hussein was once one of the strongest allies of the west, (during the iran/irak war, the USA supplied him with weapons, in fact rumsfeld went to irak in person to shake hands and grease the wheels of war) until hussien decided to think for himself and do what the europeans powers have always done to the rest of the worlds resources: take what you want, and deal with the consequences later.
      hussein doesnt even rank in the top 50 worst despots in history, strictly small time, IMO.
      bush, however is responsible for over 1,000,000 deaths in irak, not counting afghanistan, and over $3,000,000,000,000 (TRILLION) wasted in securing a cheap source of oil for CHINA. look it up. china gets 75% of that black stuff that 3000 of the USA's soldiers died for...

    • @JosephNordenbrockartistraction
      @JosephNordenbrockartistraction 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Strugglebuggie TV Let's just agree you've travelled the world and are better educated on world affairs than the late Christopher Hitchens was so we can leave it at that. I hope this doesn't make you feel I've insulted your intelligence. I can appreciate that you did not directly imply that Hitchens WAS a fool.

    • @strugglebuggietv
      @strugglebuggietv 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Joseph Nordenbrock touche...

  • @dreinertson
    @dreinertson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my American History class in the '60s, the teacher just said Thomas Paine was "more radical."

  • @JosephNordenbrockartistraction
    @JosephNordenbrockartistraction 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Any sensible language scholar misses this man's point of view on current events around the world.

  • @Rokkidud
    @Rokkidud 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A man like Hitchens could only be European. The elegance, restraint, wit and weight he speaks with reflects Europe's history, struggles and values. And this should be Europe's greatest advantage.

    • @2msvalkyrie529
      @2msvalkyrie529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Obviously you haven't visited Europe lately . The idea that it's
      overflowing with great , independent intellectuals similar
      to 5 th century Athens is ludicrous . The EU has shrunk to a pathetic
      protectionist economic Cartel .

    • @garthfarkley
      @garthfarkley ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hitchens was American & British.

    • @tulpas93
      @tulpas93 ปีที่แล้ว

      Um... [scratches head while looking at a map]

  • @stormbringerr7806
    @stormbringerr7806 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i like Hitchens, however i have always had awesome respect for Thomas Paine.

  • @jtrevino5268
    @jtrevino5268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    November 4 2020. Where are you Hitch? We need you now

  • @Jblah
    @Jblah 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Christopher hitchens deserves respect, wouldn't mind seeing more people like him. RIP

    • @mrsnakesmrnot8499
      @mrsnakesmrnot8499 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You and I can emulate his rhetorical style whenever possible.

  • @KevTheImpaler
    @KevTheImpaler 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The discussion on Iraq at about 48 minutes clears something up that I have been wondering about for some time: why my father continued to support the invasion of Iraq. Whatever his reasons, they were too deep for me. I seem to remember Dad read Christopher Hitchens.

    • @valkyriesardo278
      @valkyriesardo278 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A brief research into Saddam Hussein will explain western intervention in Iraq.

    • @The_king567
      @The_king567 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Because the war was justified it’s not that hard to understand

    • @The_king567
      @The_king567 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@valkyriesardo278nope it wouldn’t read about saddam he was a fascist it’s not that hard to understand and also a Muslim which isn’t a good thing

  • @cynic5537
    @cynic5537 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    oh my god, chritsopher read the aubrey-maturin series ... I love him even more now although it was to be expected of a 'navy brat'

    • @Siralantoon
      @Siralantoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I read the whole series of 20 odd books every 3 years or so. 'Harbours and High Seas' by Dean King is a great book for a Patrick devotee also.

  • @gnuPirate
    @gnuPirate 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic. What a shame the last bit is cut off, I was really enjoying it.

  • @MrBillcale
    @MrBillcale 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    hittchens and payne were giants

    • @MrBillcale
      @MrBillcale 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ***** history will show hitch was a great mind

    • @razajac
      @razajac 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** I kinda sorta agree... but I think it needs to point out that Hitch and Paine were folks from very disparate eras in the American Experiment, and should be held to different standards. Paine's polemics might have arguably been instrumental in furthering the ideals of republicanism, and that's cool. By the time Hitch took up an interest in the destiny of that experiment, the demands had changed. Did Paine change history? Maybe (for one reason). Did/Will Hitch change history? Maybe (TBD, and for quite a different reason).
      But I really do appreciate your post: It's worth thoughtful consideration.

    • @MrBillcale
      @MrBillcale 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ron Zajac also i think history will tell it s too early perhaps

  • @Beesmakelifegoo
    @Beesmakelifegoo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exordinary understanding of the human dilemma!
    It’s amazing how much wisdom is shared.
    For example if God has something to do with us.
    Christopher is a new prophet!
    Truth is beautiful after all is said and done.
    Objectively is not subjective!

  • @MagisterSaxonides
    @MagisterSaxonides 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ended too soon. He was apologizing about going over, but I wanted him to go on!

  • @davidwallace9695
    @davidwallace9695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is a memorial to Tom Paine in England, a full height statue.. It stands in the village of Thetford, Norfolk, where Paine was born. The statue looks as if it were made of gold, but I imagine it is merely coloured gold. It is interesting to note that the statue was presented to the English people by the grateful people of America. However, The powers that were in England were embarrassed by this gift, since Paine was in no way a friend of Edmund Burke & co. Thus it was sent to Thetford, where it was thought it would be out of the way, unseen by anyone of any note.

  • @alphacanismajor4688
    @alphacanismajor4688 8 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    There is no god...and Hitchens was his prophet!

    • @MrThedruid22
      @MrThedruid22 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There is no god...and Hitchens was our prophet!
      FTFY

    • @sabatino1977
      @sabatino1977 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wouldn't that be "there is no god and Hitchens WASN'T his prophet"? LOL.

    • @aplandrover6386
      @aplandrover6386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @ Steel MEGA - I think your google translate must be broken or you have shit for brains because I cannot understand a word of what you just said. ROFL!

  • @scottyelliott5709
    @scottyelliott5709 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really cannot understand how anyone with logic can read Paine, listen to Hitch and Sam Harris and believe ANYTHING in the Bible is far beyond me

  • @XieYali
    @XieYali 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hitch loved thanking the introduction given for him him by saying it was surprisingly terse.

    • @BLSChampion
      @BLSChampion ปีที่แล้ว

      "Suspiciously" so, unless it was effusive, then it was "suspiciously grugding."

  • @TheRustyLM
    @TheRustyLM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gawd! - I miss this man!

  • @psiclops521
    @psiclops521 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mr Hitchens is very insightful with respect to the slave trade, but he failed to mention what I believe was the most compelling reason for the South's resistance to abolition: credit. As Joseph Ellis points out in "His Excellency, George Washington", the southern elites lived on credit as much as on their revenues, and their slaves represented an enormous percentage of their collateral. Abolition would have bankrupted the South.

  • @neilforbes416
    @neilforbes416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hitchens was member of Charter 88. I would hope that organisation still exists and succeeds in its lofty aims. It would then force the hands of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and other like countries to make them become republics. Such a thing can only EVER be good for those countries.

    • @GH-oi2jf
      @GH-oi2jf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neil Forbes - Never heard of it, but these nations should not be forced to change their form of government. They should become republics only through the will of their people.

    • @neilforbes416
      @neilforbes416 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GH-oi2jf As it was, the vast majority of Australians DID want Australia to be a republic but then-Prime Minister John Howard, "Little Johnny", SABOTAGED the Constitutional Convention by stacking the appointed half of the delegates with monarchists.

  • @jameswhistler968
    @jameswhistler968 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So where's the powerpoint?

  • @spurs4159
    @spurs4159 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    39:00 such a savage reply. That guy had no idea who he was going up against.

  • @akclingan
    @akclingan 10 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The man must have read 5 books a day and had an eidetic memory.

    • @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy
      @MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Alan Kevin In order to have such knowledge reading 5 books a day is not what to do, and is not what Hitch dons. Hitch read a lot of books - no doubt about that - but he selected topics, read as many books that he could on that topic, and repeatedly studied decent books.

    • @Cryptosifu
      @Cryptosifu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alan Kevin I've thought the same thing.

    • @CR-bq1me
      @CR-bq1me 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right?

    • @CR-bq1me
      @CR-bq1me 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      piggypigpig my friend in elementary school could read a page in less then a second.
      He finished Tolkien’s legendarium in less then a month. (Took me about 5 years lol)

    • @xoranginho
      @xoranginho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@CR-bq1me stfu.

  • @mikekennedy5470
    @mikekennedy5470 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Christopher's children & wife should be so very proud of him . I would pay a fortune to have dinner a few drinks along with several hours of conversation with him.! But unfortunately TH-cam will have to do .i can think of no other to make me contemplate life & death as he did. Thank you mr, Hitchens

  • @tirsodemolina5019
    @tirsodemolina5019 9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    How does Christopher Hitchens know everything?

    • @terrypussypower
      @terrypussypower 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +Jerry Kim
      It's called "education"!

    • @tirsodemolina5019
      @tirsodemolina5019 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +terrypussypower and a supreme intellect

    • @TheParanoidAndroid79
      @TheParanoidAndroid79 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +robert trost If only more people followed the example set by Socrates...

    • @redryan20000
      @redryan20000 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Jerry Kim He actually knew very little, though I'd say he fit what Socrates said about the educated man. He's noted a few times he knows next to nothing about biology or physics or science in general. He's not great on economics either, despite taking it in school. Technology and computers are another weak point, saying he can barely use one except to use the word processor. But when it comes to literature (and in some respects philosophy), his heart is clearly in it and his brain follows suit to the extreme. You'll also find his intellect follows his morality - when dedicated to a cause his mind jumps to action and grips to any tiny details in effort to more eloquently and intelligently argue a point.

    • @rhanna500
      @rhanna500 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Jerry Kim He literally must have READ everything !!!

  • @frederickanderson1860
    @frederickanderson1860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George 111 was scandalously portrayed as mad in movies and novels.

  • @shawnsteen8442
    @shawnsteen8442 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Not in the available time. We could have a glass of refreshment." -Hitchins lol

  • @DanielleA2023
    @DanielleA2023 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    incomparable is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Alsatiagent
    @Alsatiagent 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hitchens seems unaware of Canadian history. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms was three decades old when he made his remarks. The nation does not fly a union jack over Ottawa. Chris Hedges would have some input regarding his enthusiasm for the war in Iraq.

  • @smtpbay5697
    @smtpbay5697 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i love it when he owns the christian at 36.40

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah Hitchens is pretty good at this stuff. He's also good at leaving out a lot of things that matter when he's trying to argue down Christianity. Just for one example he will say things like the Bible says don't care for tomorrow so you shouldn't be Thrifty and not plan. However he will leave out the passages where Paul and other early church fathers are telling their congregations to plan for tomorrow and where Jesus is saying to be Thrifty. Paul the Apostle wrote If a man does not work he does not eat. They always wanted their people to be productive and thinking about the next day, just not to worry about when they're going to die. The full doctrine that he does not say is that they believed in planning for the future saving money, also giving some away, and a lot more complicated things than a simple oh we're fixing to die screw it kind of mentality.
      also asked for the plagiarism of the Babylonian history in the Golden Rule. yes they said don't do to others what you would not have them do to you with that rabbi, but Jesus flipped it on its head when he said you have to act first and actually do good two others. The first one is a negative for self-preservation, Jesus was commanding acts of good with no expectation of reciprocation. You see how he twists history?
      and those Babylonians also got their tenants of the golden rule from the teachings of Moses hundreds of years before

    • @mikev4621
      @mikev4621 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paysonfox88 I agree Hitch went a bit illogical in his dislike of the Bible.
      You can tell when he is on shakier ground because his speech rate goes up

  • @regmunday8354
    @regmunday8354 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No gain without Paine.

  • @MandatoryReporter2015
    @MandatoryReporter2015 ปีที่แล้ว

    It matters not the size but the power. The rights of man cannot be defended by governments but fought for by the people

  • @garthfarkley
    @garthfarkley ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Paine was indeed a practical man. Christopher, great as he is, ignores Paine's models, and smaller scale constructions, of iron bridges, for which he sought patents but abjured any payments. Not only a crucial invention and engineering feat, but also perhaps the first example of open source innovation.

  • @brentsrx7
    @brentsrx7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am surprised that this hasn't been suppressed.

  • @jameskane8428
    @jameskane8428 11 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    RIP Hitch

  • @Captain-ln3vh
    @Captain-ln3vh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely two intelligent men that spoke truth and used reason in a crazy world 200 years apart.

  • @johnissitt2734
    @johnissitt2734 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Brilliant just brilliant

  • @RL-ck8zk
    @RL-ck8zk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a firecracker of a man. He was pissing people off in a lecture 😂

  • @beidlgsicht
    @beidlgsicht 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    the nightmare of the demagogue ... lmao

  • @robg71
    @robg71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When Hitchens says "Oh for Heaven's sake" :)

  • @usnate1
    @usnate1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you Britain for producing this wonderful individual.
    I would have to say that on some level Christopher felt he was born on the wrong continent.
    "The one thing that is uniquely american; is our bill of rights, and constitution which contains things that other western democracies take away and give back to their citizens all of the time as their constitutions aren't the basis of their political structures. The only country with codified rights; the only country with separation of church and state! The first country to separate the powers of the executive, judicial, and legislative branches!
    It's highly unique, as it came in a time when the church had much more power, and influence. Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were two of my favorite historical figures for that reason. America pulled itself away from the pack without a monarchy or a dictator. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like Americans bashing their country...it's masochistic! England has a state church. We have the Queen as the head of the state, the church , and the army! It's madness."

  • @terencewinters2154
    @terencewinters2154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As Paine ( the deist) said on his death bed when ministered to by ministers of the cloth imploring him to believe on JC as they had been to Jerusalem and found the key . Paines response was ." It must be very rusty. "

  • @FeistyJackball
    @FeistyJackball 10 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Delicious Hitchslap at 36:29

    • @lepraconman
      @lepraconman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was over before it started lol. When I heard the words "As a Christian..." I was like "don't do it! Nothing good will come to you from this!"

    • @dorothyfisher3798
      @dorothyfisher3798 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      BAM!! A Slam Dunk in the face of that unsuspecting questioner. Thanks for pointing it out sir.

    • @ambassador8524
      @ambassador8524 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Christopher Schneider lol, THAWP!!!

  • @mr.sotack6586
    @mr.sotack6586 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hitchens so beautifully illuminates the origin of our modern left and right.

  • @chrish12345
    @chrish12345 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hitch knew his stuff

    • @sabejreid2072
      @sabejreid2072 ปีที่แล้ว

      But I think he was unfortunately a socialist democrat - and they've gone very very bad...

  • @victormonreale9217
    @victormonreale9217 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    "My brain is my church, the world is my reality, to improve the world is my religion"I just improved the quote.

  • @cleo3254
    @cleo3254 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If I could believe in the supernatural. ....I would love for Thomas Paine and the Hitch to haunt Donald Trump!

    • @sabejreid2072
      @sabejreid2072 ปีที่แล้ว

      How idiotic. Trump is very much in the strain of Paine and Hitch - he's standing up for Freedom from Obama's continued fakery and tyranny. Wake up for God's sake.

  • @danielwernegren8749
    @danielwernegren8749 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hitchens only big mistake was take on Iraq

  • @MP-ux1dn
    @MP-ux1dn 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hitchens' point about the opposition of the Iraq war being tantamount to support for Saddam Hussein is specious reasoning at best. It is the kind of histrionic nonsense that the man himself opposed all of his life, and it's sad to hear examples of him making use of it

  • @georgerelyea5771
    @georgerelyea5771 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure the bit at the beginning is great, it is incredibly visible, thus the value of VIDEO! That is why we are here on youtube. Please, if you have videos, post those.

  • @deepashtray5605
    @deepashtray5605 10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wonder what Hitch would say about Iraq now?

    • @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
      @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Let them kill each other off. He had real dislike for Islam.

    • @henrywillis2381
      @henrywillis2381 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dùbhghlas .Douglas No he hates all religions equally, look at what he said a*out mother Theresa of Calcutta...

    • @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
      @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah he wouldn't care if they was killing any other religious people. He hated all religions. Iraq isn't solely Islamic. Never was had good christian population few others.

    • @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
      @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** hate is what fuels killing.

    • @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
      @DubhghlasMacDubhghlas 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** no but he had higher level dislike towards Islam. He would if he grew up in that part of the world.

  • @Eltae42
    @Eltae42 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a statue of Thomas Paine in Thetford ,Norfolk where he was born.It was errected in the sixties a lot in part due to contributions from American airman from nearby RAF Lakenheath. I remember that there were theats to tar and feather it from people who considered him a traitor.I believe it still stands.