Hey ITG Gear, I went and bought a m90q with a 10500 and rtx 3050 6gb. I bought a 10500t to replace the cpu. How would I lower the wattage for the lower watt cpu in throttlestop? I've never used throttle stop before.
@@danielhulan3058 I'm not entirely sure how to use Throttlestop to limit CPU power, but in my opinion, you can lower CPU power by accessing the BIOS and disabling hyperthreading. However, doing so will cause the CPU to run at 6 cores and 6 threads only, with power consumption reduced to 20W. Additionally, you can limit GPU power using MSI Afterburner. While this might decrease overall PC performance, it can sometimes boost performance due to the system's limited power capabilities. Thank you.
Thank you! No those are some valid suggestions. I'm trying to replicate what you did. However, I bought the only m90q available to me. Unfortunately it had the 10500, the non-t version. So, im at a little bit of a road block. I really liked this video though. Isnt the 6500 lp a 50watt card?
Hey ITG, just an update, I kept the 10500 non-t in the pc, used throttlestop to adjust the wattage to 50watts on the cpu, and installed the rtx 3050 6gb. It works! It turned out great. I've put full stress loads on both cpu and gpu at the same time that gets both max watt draw on both and the pc worked fine.
I paused in the middle of your first video and immediately went to eBay and ordered 2 of the Dell RX6500s, and boy am I glad I did. Since then, the price has shot up by 25%.
Good to see the PCIE 3.0 performances isn't too gimped like the RX6400 if running in 3.0 mode. If I can pick one up for $100 or less I'll go get one for sure.
Oh my goodness! I hadn't noticed that the vent holes, DP, and screw holes make a smiley face. You're right, it really does look like two smiling faces. Thanks for pointing that out!
There’s just so much stuff you can do with these mini pcs, I have an older one with a Ryzen 5 2400GE that I was able to put a m.2 to oculink adapter in it and a rx5700 GPU and it works great. Next I’ll be installing bazzite to see if it works well.
I have a Ryzen 5 4600G with an Aerocool VX Plus 500 watt PSU. I've read that this PSU is awful and I wonder what GPU would be a good choice (I was thinking of the RX 6600 or the 6gb 3050)
hello if you have the time and the will of help, can you make a list of micro pc regardless of brand that have pci-express and support graphics cards? thanks
Hi there, thanks for reaching out! I believe I'm not capable of gathering the data related to your request, and I still can't guarantee that any list I prepare will be accurate. However, you might find what you're looking for by searching online tech forums and PC enthusiast communities. Best of luck with your research!
Also how do you know what version you are getting when buying one of these? When I go on ebay and search for one of these Core i9-10900T I cannot find one and all the ones that do pop up have no vented top cover. Some help identifying these units would be nice so ppl aren't buying the wrong ones.
Before I buy a Lenovo tiny PC, I first check the datasheet on Lenovo's website to make sure it has a PCIe slot. I also check the motherboard replacement for the specific model to confirm the presence of the PCIe slot. If you want to set up a similar system, you can look at models with 7th Gen Intel CPUs, such as the M910x and P320 Tiny. For 8th and 9th Gen Intel CPUs, consider the Lenovo M920q, M720q, M920x, and P330 Tiny. For newer versions with the CPUs you mentioned, they might be more expensive but offer higher performance. For the 10th Gen series, you can look at the M90q and P340 Tiny. These PCs should support Intel Core i9-10900T or even i9-10900. All lenovo Tiny P series shoud have ventilation on top cover. Thank you!
I'm sorry to hear that. If the Lenovo M90q is too expensive in your area, you might consider the previous versions of this PC like the Lenovo M920x and Lenovo P330 Tiny. These PCs could support the GPU and are probably cheaper. Also, I do not recommend the M920q and M720q since these models do not have ventilation on the top cover and they do not support a GPU by default. Thank you.
Honestly, I still cannot tell the difference between PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 3.0 with this RX 6500 setup because it seems to have the same frame rate. Here is my video testing the RX 6500 on a PCIe 4.0 PC: th-cam.com/video/lmXsJdm3eq0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=L93kw3uzJCW5MNdo
Preciso de ajuda, meu M920Q i5 8500T fica reiniciando no meio do jogo, mais alguem passou por isso, utilizo fonte 230w, é bem chato isso, eu não faço ideia de como solucionar
Olá! Lamento ouvir sobre o problema que você está enfrentando com o seu M920Q i5 8500T. Você poderia fornecer mais detalhes sobre a sua GPU? Além disso, você verificou se os drivers da sua GPU estão atualizados? Problemas de superaquecimento e de fornecimento de energia também podem causar reinicializações, então verifique se o seu sistema não está superaquecendo e se a sua fonte de alimentação de 230W é adequada para o seu setup. Adicionalmente, aqui estão alguns pontos a considerar: 1. Se o seu PC não possui um dissipador de calor no chipset, ele pode desligar quando o chipset da placa-mãe fica muito quente. Considere adicionar um dissipador de calor no chipset e substituir o cooler de CPU de 65W, pois esse cooler também cobre o chip VRM. 2. Verifique se o seu adaptador de AC é genuíno para garantir uma saída de energia confiável. 3. O M920Q não possui ventilação na tampa superior, o que pode torná-lo inadequado para jogos. 4. Use o MSI Afterburner para diminuir o limite de potência da GPU. Vamos ver se podemos resolver isso juntos!
@itggear utilizo um XFX RX6400, com dissipador de Chipset, o mesmo que você fez a sugestão no seu vídeo, fiz os furos na tampa onde fica entrada de ar tanto da GPU, quanto na CPU, em jogos não passa de 70°C CPU , 79°c GPU, não é sempre que isso ocorre, seria algo relacionado ao Trottlestop? Ou alguma proteção na BIOS? Vou verificar sobre um cooler melhor desde já agradeço a ajuda🙏
Obrigado pelo seu comentário! Parece que você está enfrentando problemas de desligamento inesperado. Isso pode estar relacionado ao adaptador de energia AC. Eu tive um problema semelhante e, após trocar para um adaptador de 300W da Lenovo, os desligamentos inesperados diminuíram significativamente. No entanto, ainda ocorrem ocasionalmente quando o PC fica muito quente. Tenha cuidado com adaptadores de terceiros, pois os de 230W vendidos por lojas não oficiais podem ser menos confiáveis. Se você instalou o dissipador de Southbridge por conta própria, também recomendo verificar o pad térmico. Alguns vendedores podem usar fita adesiva não condutiva para fixar o pad térmico, e isso pode prejudicar a dissipação de calor. Considere remover essa fita adesiva. Além disso, sugiro usar o aplicativo HWINFO no Windows para monitorar a temperatura dos chips VRM, pois às vezes eles podem atingir até 160°C, o que também pode causar o desligamento do PC. Lembre-se de que o Lenovo M920q não suporta GPU por padrão e usa um dissipador de CPU de 35W, enquanto o M920x que suporta GPU usa um dissipador de 65W, que também cobre o chip VRM. Espero que isso ajude! Boa sorte com o seu PC.
The Lenovo M90q Gen1 does not support 11th Gen Intel GPUs; the M90q Gen2 does. However, it still runs at PCIe 3.0. If you would like to have PCIe 4.0 with a Lenovo Tiny PC, you might want to consider Gen3 or higher, which uses 12th Gen and above. Thank you!
You are right that 11th Gen Intel CPUs support PCIe 4.0, but in this video, I'm using a Lenovo OEM PC that does not allow you to install an 11th Gen CPU-it won't turn on if you do so. Also, this tiny PC does not support PCIe 4.0 even if it's Gen2 running an 11th Gen Intel CPU. In this video, we are discussing the Lenovo M90q, not the 11th Gen Intel CPUs that support PCIe 4.0 on TechPowerUp. Thank you.
@@itggear check yourself. I’m discussing the very video and the products in it. Thanks again for the heads up. I will double check now in regards to 11th GEN and PCI 4.0 support like to make things happen that aren’t supposed to.
I believe there are many TH-cam videos about GPUs that have already been posted, so I don't need to create content like that. Since there are no videos on TH-cam about the Dell RX6500, I posted this video to provide a niche topic for viewers who are seeking something new. Also, the Yeston RTX 3050 does not support Bazzite OS with Steam Deck mode. I hope you understand my point.
Based on the TechPowerUp GPU database, the RX 6500 is 12% faster than the GTX 1650, while the T1000 4GB is 14% slower than the GTX 1650. However, real-world performance can vary depending on factors like temperature and hardware configuration, such as PCIe lanes. The RX 6500 is priced around $100, whereas the T1000 ranges from $200 to $400. Ultimately, it depends on your budget and specific needs for the application you are using.
It depends on your preference, budget, and available space. For example, an RTX 3050 single slot low profile from China costs around $200, while this RX 6500 is only $99.
Curious about the RX 6500's gaming performance on PCIe 4.0? Check out my detailed review here: th-cam.com/video/lmXsJdm3eq0/w-d-xo.html
Hey ITG Gear, I went and bought a m90q with a 10500 and rtx 3050 6gb. I bought a 10500t to replace the cpu. How would I lower the wattage for the lower watt cpu in throttlestop? I've never used throttle stop before.
@@danielhulan3058 I'm not entirely sure how to use Throttlestop to limit CPU power, but in my opinion, you can lower CPU power by accessing the BIOS and disabling hyperthreading. However, doing so will cause the CPU to run at 6 cores and 6 threads only, with power consumption reduced to 20W.
Additionally, you can limit GPU power using MSI Afterburner. While this might decrease overall PC performance, it can sometimes boost performance due to the system's limited power capabilities.
Thank you.
Thank you! No those are some valid suggestions. I'm trying to replicate what you did. However, I bought the only m90q available to me. Unfortunately it had the 10500, the non-t version. So, im at a little bit of a road block. I really liked this video though. Isnt the 6500 lp a 50watt card?
Also do you have a discord community?
Hey ITG, just an update, I kept the 10500 non-t in the pc, used throttlestop to adjust the wattage to 50watts on the cpu, and installed the rtx 3050 6gb. It works! It turned out great. I've put full stress loads on both cpu and gpu at the same time that gets both max watt draw on both and the pc worked fine.
I paused in the middle of your first video and immediately went to eBay and ordered 2 of the Dell RX6500s, and boy am I glad I did. Since then, the price has shot up by 25%.
believe or not after this video, the prices for dell rx 6500 skyrocketed.
welcome to the "LGR Effect" where a youtube reviews/uses a niche product and leads to scalper expansion
this GPU is perfect for the small setup
Underrated channel ❤
What did you mean bro?
@NVGU009 it means that content is great but he have less subscribers
Good to see the PCIE 3.0 performances isn't too gimped like the RX6400 if running in 3.0 mode. If I can pick one up for $100 or less I'll go get one for sure.
I like how the vent holes + dp + screw holes makes the smily face on your model... xD
Oh my goodness! I hadn't noticed that the vent holes, DP, and screw holes make a smiley face. You're right, it really does look like two smiling faces. Thanks for pointing that out!
you sir deserve a new subscriber...
subscribed
Much appreciated!
Since your last video on this card, the eBay seller raised the price by $30.
There’s just so much stuff you can do with these mini pcs, I have an older one with a Ryzen 5 2400GE that I was able to put a m.2 to oculink adapter in it and a rx5700 GPU and it works great. Next I’ll be installing bazzite to see if it works well.
It's great to hear that you are experimenting with the capabilities of these mini PCs!
@@itggear you are 110% the inspiration behind this experiment.
I've been waiting for this!
I wish you teach us how to upgrade graphic card on very low end mini PC which has ddr3 rams and basic built-in display adapter 🙏
*At least you don't need a heater this winter* 💀
And it can grill the chicken dinner in summer as well.
Vsync or Riva turner fps limiter should fix the frametime issue on TW3
That's a good suggestion. I'll keep that in mind for future videos.
He is using Linux bruh
@@wikwayer true, I'm dumb
If you did like the white 3d printed m90q with a arc 380. Would it work with bazzite? Because i want to build the ultimate console killer.
unfortunately bazzite only supports AMD gpus fully with gaming mode as of now. might be better off waiting for SteamOS 3.0 release rumored for January
I have a Ryzen 5 4600G with an Aerocool VX Plus 500 watt PSU. I've read that this PSU is awful and I wonder what GPU would be a good choice (I was thinking of the RX 6600 or the 6gb 3050)
good vid
well said
good vid
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hello
if you have the time and the will of help, can you make a list of micro pc regardless of brand that have pci-express and support graphics cards? thanks
Hi there, thanks for reaching out! I believe I'm not capable of gathering the data related to your request, and I still can't guarantee that any list I prepare will be accurate. However, you might find what you're looking for by searching online tech forums and PC enthusiast communities. Best of luck with your research!
I'm watching from Pakistan your doing very interesting and informative work
Also how do you know what version you are getting when buying one of these? When I go on ebay and search for one of these Core i9-10900T I cannot find one and all the ones that do pop up have no vented top cover. Some help identifying these units would be nice so ppl aren't buying the wrong ones.
Before I buy a Lenovo tiny PC, I first check the datasheet on Lenovo's website to make sure it has a PCIe slot. I also check the motherboard replacement for the specific model to confirm the presence of the PCIe slot. If you want to set up a similar system, you can look at models with 7th Gen Intel CPUs, such as the M910x and P320 Tiny. For 8th and 9th Gen Intel CPUs, consider the Lenovo M920q, M720q, M920x, and P330 Tiny.
For newer versions with the CPUs you mentioned, they might be more expensive but offer higher performance. For the 10th Gen series, you can look at the M90q and P340 Tiny. These PCs should support Intel Core i9-10900T or even i9-10900.
All lenovo Tiny P series shoud have ventilation on top cover.
Thank you!
@@itggear Thank you so much for the response this helps a lot. Love your content.
i just checked... Lenovo ThinkCentre M90q Gen 1 on my local aftermarket online shop cost about 1 month salary here in poland... :O
I'm sorry to hear that. If the Lenovo M90q is too expensive in your area, you might consider the previous versions of this PC like the Lenovo M920x and Lenovo P330 Tiny. These PCs could support the GPU and are probably cheaper. Also, I do not recommend the M920q and M720q since these models do not have ventilation on the top cover and they do not support a GPU by default. Thank you.
i hope u can try with Asrock Intel Arc A380.. maybe :)
Is that a pcie 3.o slot and if so does it affect the pcie 4.0 graphics card performance?
Honestly, I still cannot tell the difference between PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 3.0 with this RX 6500 setup because it seems to have the same frame rate. Here is my video testing the RX 6500 on a PCIe 4.0 PC: th-cam.com/video/lmXsJdm3eq0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=L93kw3uzJCW5MNdo
Preciso de ajuda, meu M920Q i5 8500T fica reiniciando no meio do jogo, mais alguem passou por isso, utilizo fonte 230w, é bem chato isso, eu não faço ideia de como solucionar
Olá! Lamento ouvir sobre o problema que você está enfrentando com o seu M920Q i5 8500T. Você poderia fornecer mais detalhes sobre a sua GPU? Além disso, você verificou se os drivers da sua GPU estão atualizados? Problemas de superaquecimento e de fornecimento de energia também podem causar reinicializações, então verifique se o seu sistema não está superaquecendo e se a sua fonte de alimentação de 230W é adequada para o seu setup.
Adicionalmente, aqui estão alguns pontos a considerar:
1. Se o seu PC não possui um dissipador de calor no chipset, ele pode desligar quando o chipset da placa-mãe fica muito quente. Considere adicionar um dissipador de calor no chipset e substituir o cooler de CPU de 65W, pois esse cooler também cobre o chip VRM.
2. Verifique se o seu adaptador de AC é genuíno para garantir uma saída de energia confiável.
3. O M920Q não possui ventilação na tampa superior, o que pode torná-lo inadequado para jogos.
4. Use o MSI Afterburner para diminuir o limite de potência da GPU.
Vamos ver se podemos resolver isso juntos!
@itggear utilizo um XFX RX6400, com dissipador de Chipset, o mesmo que você fez a sugestão no seu vídeo, fiz os furos na tampa onde fica entrada de ar tanto da GPU, quanto na CPU, em jogos não passa de 70°C CPU , 79°c GPU, não é sempre que isso ocorre, seria algo relacionado ao Trottlestop? Ou alguma proteção na BIOS? Vou verificar sobre um cooler melhor desde já agradeço a ajuda🙏
Obrigado pelo seu comentário! Parece que você está enfrentando problemas de desligamento inesperado. Isso pode estar relacionado ao adaptador de energia AC. Eu tive um problema semelhante e, após trocar para um adaptador de 300W da Lenovo, os desligamentos inesperados diminuíram significativamente. No entanto, ainda ocorrem ocasionalmente quando o PC fica muito quente. Tenha cuidado com adaptadores de terceiros, pois os de 230W vendidos por lojas não oficiais podem ser menos confiáveis.
Se você instalou o dissipador de Southbridge por conta própria, também recomendo verificar o pad térmico. Alguns vendedores podem usar fita adesiva não condutiva para fixar o pad térmico, e isso pode prejudicar a dissipação de calor. Considere remover essa fita adesiva.
Além disso, sugiro usar o aplicativo HWINFO no Windows para monitorar a temperatura dos chips VRM, pois às vezes eles podem atingir até 160°C, o que também pode causar o desligamento do PC. Lembre-se de que o Lenovo M920q não suporta GPU por padrão e usa um dissipador de CPU de 35W, enquanto o M920x que suporta GPU usa um dissipador de 65W, que também cobre o chip VRM.
Espero que isso ajude! Boa sorte com o seu PC.
11th gen cpu would add 10% to GPU performance giving PCIe 4.0. Reference tech power up Rx 6400 for more information.
The Lenovo M90q Gen1 does not support 11th Gen Intel GPUs; the M90q Gen2 does. However, it still runs at PCIe 3.0. If you would like to have PCIe 4.0 with a Lenovo Tiny PC, you might want to consider Gen3 or higher, which uses 12th Gen and above. Thank you!
You are right that 11th Gen Intel CPUs support PCIe 4.0, but in this video, I'm using a Lenovo OEM PC that does not allow you to install an 11th Gen CPU-it won't turn on if you do so. Also, this tiny PC does not support PCIe 4.0 even if it's Gen2 running an 11th Gen Intel CPU. In this video, we are discussing the Lenovo M90q, not the 11th Gen Intel CPUs that support PCIe 4.0 on TechPowerUp. Thank you.
@ I did not know that about those. Thank you for the heads up save me a headache in the future.
@@itggear check yourself. I’m discussing the very video and the products in it. Thanks again for the heads up. I will double check now in regards to 11th GEN and PCI 4.0 support like to make things happen that aren’t supposed to.
I wish there is a rx9040 with 50w tdp
Maybe similar to rx6600
you should try yeston rtx 3050 6gb
I believe there are many TH-cam videos about GPUs that have already been posted, so I don't need to create content like that. Since there are no videos on TH-cam about the Dell RX6500, I posted this video to provide a niche topic for viewers who are seeking something new. Also, the Yeston RTX 3050 does not support Bazzite OS with Steam Deck mode. I hope you understand my point.
While I like the modification for this Lenovo M90q Gen1, the use of Win11 as a test makes it a waste of resources, unfortunately.
What’s the cpu used?
It's an Intel Core i5-10500T.
Wich is better? Nvidia T1000 or this AMD ?!
Based on the TechPowerUp GPU database, the RX 6500 is 12% faster than the GTX 1650, while the T1000 4GB is 14% slower than the GTX 1650. However, real-world performance can vary depending on factors like temperature and hardware configuration, such as PCIe lanes. The RX 6500 is priced around $100, whereas the T1000 ranges from $200 to $400. Ultimately, it depends on your budget and specific needs for the application you are using.
The RTX 3050 6gb is way faster than the RX 6500.
And costs triple the amount?
@MeioHeyo *double
@@comosehace2767 same price for 30-50 percent more performance.
It depends on your preference, budget, and available space. For example, an RTX 3050 single slot low profile from China costs around $200, while this RX 6500 is only $99.
Yes the RTX 3050 is faster, but installing bazzite might give you some issues, because bazzite isn’t a big fan of nvidia.
I want this 🥲🥹