Coming back to this video, I am SO glad I watched this video 4 days before shooting in my local Barebow tournament. "Having a staring contest with your target" really helped me a lot. I've been doing everything [almost] right (based on recording my form on video). The problems always comes during execution of my release. Notably, my tendency to subconsciously trigger my release as soon as my aimpoint (arrow point on the red ring) aligns, thus causing the occasional deviation and the way I released before having sufficiently engaged my expansion. "Staring at the target" helps my body execute the transfer and settle down before release, follow through. It helped me develop my own personalized routine to help with consistency - "breathe > stare > execute". I went from 507 at 50M (last year) to 580 at 50M (this year). thank you!
I'm a novice compound archer and I discovered this technique earlier in the year. I found I shot better by just focusing on the center of the yellow area and letting the tiny pin become just a blur. I've just come back from a competition where I took bronze in my class and I'm sure this helped. Most of my arrows were released when my dot wasn't obscuring the X. Now, getting a better handle on nerves is another story entirely, lol.
Legit.. even with my single pin. I watched your video and realized I was focus on the pin and trying to cover the target. Instead of focusing on the target and "throwing" the arrow down the range... massive difference. Thanks for that.
I've been shooting since I was about 12, and I've never used any sight pins or peep sights of any kind. I've also never used a release, and I do shoot both compound and recurve bows. Not saying I am nearly as good as Jake, but my grandpa taught me how to shoot and it was strictly instinctive with a fluid draw and release all in one motion. I've started shooting handguns in a similar way and have been amazed at just how good the brain is at target accusation on its own- aiming is like setting down your hammer to use a wrench to hit a nail into a board.
Some rifle target shooters use a front sight with only a circle. The human eye is supposed to be good at centering a spot inside of a circle so a sight with no pin can work. I haven't tried that myself but before I even knew about the centering in a circle thing one of my fellow shooters had the idea to try it. If a fixation on perfecting the aim gets in the way of executing the shot then that leads to all kinds of bad habits such as plucking the string.
Hi Jake, training this morning with new arrows and viewer without the red point, the target was clear and i was more relaxed and concentrated : shots i made were better and easier i'll keep those parameters for the 18 m competition next week, thanks coach !
Hello! I like this advice. I’ve recently taken up archery as a hobby again (after + 15 years). And was wondering if this doesn’t apply (even more) to barebow shooting? I decided to not take up recurve but solely do barebow shooting and this seems good advice there as well. In the sense that you’re forced to pick a target, and preferably the same, each shot you make.
Thanks Jake, as a barebow shooter struggling with target panic which arose from intertwining aiming with releasing, looking past the point of aim has been crucial. Somehow the brain still likes to focus on the arrow point sometimes which triggers the subconscious release, but the key is to focus on the conscious execution of the shot which as you and I both know, is much harder than it sounds!
Coming from 20 years of shooting handguns and rifles recently into archery I've struggled with figuring out what to focus on. I have found myself much more accurate just focusing on making sure my peep sight and outer ring of my sight line up, then I find myself focusing on the target and being guided by the pins for elevation. Before when I focused on the pin itself I definitely punched the trigger for than I'd like to admit.
Thanks for the great info. I have used this type of sight sense the 70's. I made the become the front sight, and used the bow sight as a peep sight. It made me really concentrate on the bullseye. Thanks again Joe S. Asheville, NC
Hi jake, i think you're right last saturday i had a 25 m target competition and too much focus on the pin "eats" precious seconds to be "aligned" and release quite and soft tomorrow i'll cut the red point and only the ring ! ps : my string is aligned on the frame of the ring, not the center (25 mm from the base)
Hi Jake, I'm a trad archer and recently started to play around with a borrowed ol. recurve bow and I find it quite interesting how this little sight influences my aiming cycle. Might also have something to do with me taking quite some time to get through the clicker. Anyways, your content is very, very helpful in improving in both disciplines. On another note, I'd be interested in one of your 'old' apparel designs for a t-shirt, the 'backyard archery champion'. I'd be glad to see it in your shop.
Thanks Jake - i will try to shoot with this sight pin - i tired to much aimed and forget to do my shoot routine - maybe this can help my to prepare to future competition
Definitely my preferred method, I use a titan scope with the glass removed. I find it stops dragging my focus towards the sight and allows me to stare down the target
Jake, related to this topic I'd be interested to hear what you think of a bowsight such as the EZ V. Its a stereoscopic self ranging open sight that puts margins either side of the target. They are used on compound bows for bowhunting. The people using them are very often doing away with a peep and just use nose or kisser buttons for an anchor. Given that, I don't really see why they couldn't be used as a pinless open sight on a recurve for target shooting
Hi jake, i heard about wiawis new nsg xp limbs that introduced sef technology for the first time, also it has a special paint that blocks infrared rays to maintain the temperature . It sounds very interesting so please make a video with these limbs so that we can also know the advantages and the cons.
Great video. I'm an instinctive shooter. When my eyes are focused on the target squarely, I'm very successful. When they drift at all, my target looks like your shirt.
Currently looking into getting a different sight pin because I can’t see mine indoors. Instead of seeing a pin in front of the target I see a blur like imperfect photoshop. I swapped to a slightly different one I still can’t really see it, but it is more visible, and my score has improved significantly.
I do shoot with a ring on the scope of my compound. I started with recurve and quickly switched to an empty pin myself too so i understand your point of view … But how do you attack this when shooting BB, without a sight?
@Jake Kaminski. I'm new to archery I'm right handed so I bought a right handed bow, I cannot use it with my right hand so I hold the bow in my left hand and it feels much better. Should I get a left handed bow ?
This is very similar to the shooting w/ ancient Asiatic archery. No sight at all, and no reference aiming (arrow). Instead develop your “Form” for better grouping first, and always. With constantly better form, your grouping constantly improves.
As a learner i shoot bare bow, was told i could use a sight but refused. I shoot recurve and someone said that maybe tradition long bow would suite me from what i want out of archery. But who knows, im learning so alot can change
Sounds more that you prefer actual bare trad bows, and are confused as to what a 'barebow' is. A barebow is a misnomer, ain't anything 'bare' about one.
I've found that the staring competition with the gold works just as effectively for barebow - there's a 'quiet' mental point where your brain tells you that your pointing directly where you want your arrow to go. Admittedly you have to trust your brain is right rather than having a piece of aiming equipment telling you - which is another story all together!!
When staring at the target I see 2 sights floating , what one do I go with ? The one to the left or the one floating to the right? I've tried going with oth and with both I start off with good grouping and ery near the centre but then arrows start going g all over the place and I'm using the same exa t same technique, obviously iously so.ething is changing but I just cany see what's happening , incidentally I tried today with no scope and same thing happened I started of good then arrows started going everywhere and I was actually Shooting better without the scope , any ideas please ?
While I love for you that you've cut out social media, I am a little sad that the TikTok teens don't get to witness your concise wisdom and experience.
Hi Jake the problem i have is i see two blurry sight pins on target for a reference while looking at the target and feel not so confidence at hitting the target is this a normal thing that i have to get over.
Yes, this is exactly what I'm doind with indoor 40cm target and outdoor 122cm target. I practically align the Shibuya ring (without pin) inside the black rounds score target. But, I have more problems with the indoor 3x target, the one with 6 to 10 points. Whith this target that has no black circles, I lose alignment.
Jake i see you watsing over you string and in te side is that how you normal aim ? we lurnt te set t string on te side of te riser so wot is correct te aim ?
Not my view of instinctive. First remove the sight entirely. Then give up with the gaps and string walking and other techniques to use the arrow point as an aiming reference. Just point and shoot, matching the analogy of throwing a ball.
@@jameskelson1891 Nor mine tbh, I'm a learning archer and at my club refused to use sights. This may sound odd but for me i refused to use a sight at class. There's something very primitive about instinctive archery, you can't really explain it because everyone is different. But I'm just learning so maybe my opinions will change threw time. But for now, it's just me and bow and a instinctive and willing where the arrow goes. The more i have to think about it the worse my shot. Like Jake said i just burn a whole in the target, but not often will it hit where i feel it should go. But that's learning.
@jamesskelson1891 you’re missing the point of how aiming as if shooting instinctive but using a sight pin as a reference is what I am discussing in this video. Not literally instinctive, as if it was I’d not have talked about sights. True instinctive is how I shoot my trad bow, just as you describe and I believe because I have been shooting this “instinctive-esque” way my whole life is why I can shoot fairly well with my trad bow.
Coming back to this video, I am SO glad I watched this video 4 days before shooting in my local Barebow tournament. "Having a staring contest with your target" really helped me a lot. I've been doing everything [almost] right (based on recording my form on video). The problems always comes during execution of my release. Notably, my tendency to subconsciously trigger my release as soon as my aimpoint (arrow point on the red ring) aligns, thus causing the occasional deviation and the way I released before having sufficiently engaged my expansion.
"Staring at the target" helps my body execute the transfer and settle down before release, follow through. It helped me develop my own personalized routine to help with consistency - "breathe > stare > execute". I went from 507 at 50M (last year) to 580 at 50M (this year).
thank you!
I'm a novice compound archer and I discovered this technique earlier in the year. I found I shot better by just focusing on the center of the yellow area and letting the tiny pin become just a blur.
I've just come back from a competition where I took bronze in my class and I'm sure this helped. Most of my arrows were released when my dot wasn't obscuring the X.
Now, getting a better handle on nerves is another story entirely, lol.
Legit.. even with my single pin. I watched your video and realized I was focus on the pin and trying to cover the target. Instead of focusing on the target and "throwing" the arrow down the range... massive difference. Thanks for that.
I've been shooting since I was about 12, and I've never used any sight pins or peep sights of any kind. I've also never used a release, and I do shoot both compound and recurve bows. Not saying I am nearly as good as Jake, but my grandpa taught me how to shoot and it was strictly instinctive with a fluid draw and release all in one motion. I've started shooting handguns in a similar way and have been amazed at just how good the brain is at target accusation on its own- aiming is like setting down your hammer to use a wrench to hit a nail into a board.
Some rifle target shooters use a front sight with only a circle. The human eye is supposed to be good at centering a spot inside of a circle so a sight with no pin can work. I haven't tried that myself but before I even knew about the centering in a circle thing one of my fellow shooters had the idea to try it. If a fixation on perfecting the aim gets in the way of executing the shot then that leads to all kinds of bad habits such as plucking the string.
Hi Jake,
training this morning with new arrows and viewer without the red point,
the target was clear and i was more relaxed and concentrated : shots i made were better and easier
i'll keep those parameters for the 18 m competition next week,
thanks coach !
Hi Jake. Totaly agree. I shoot without the sight dot and it make a huge diference. The human eye and brain are very good in centering circunferences.
Great tip, thank´s
But if you shoot barebow without sight, got any tip here?
Love your vids
Danke! Every time the best information 😊
Hello! I like this advice. I’ve recently taken up archery as a hobby again (after + 15 years). And was wondering if this doesn’t apply (even more) to barebow shooting? I decided to not take up recurve but solely do barebow shooting and this seems good advice there as well. In the sense that you’re forced to pick a target, and preferably the same, each shot you make.
Thanks Jake, as a barebow shooter struggling with target panic which arose from intertwining aiming with releasing, looking past the point of aim has been crucial. Somehow the brain still likes to focus on the arrow point sometimes which triggers the subconscious release, but the key is to focus on the conscious execution of the shot which as you and I both know, is much harder than it sounds!
Thanks Jake, much of your instruction and experience translates well into my own shot cycle and shot execution.
Coming from 20 years of shooting handguns and rifles recently into archery I've struggled with figuring out what to focus on. I have found myself much more accurate just focusing on making sure my peep sight and outer ring of my sight line up, then I find myself focusing on the target and being guided by the pins for elevation. Before when I focused on the pin itself I definitely punched the trigger for than I'd like to admit.
Thanks for the great info. I have used this type of sight sense the 70's. I made the become the front sight, and used the bow sight as a peep sight. It made me really concentrate on the bullseye.
Thanks again
Joe S.
Asheville, NC
Should have said, I made the target become my front sight.
I'm still a beginner, but I stare firmly because it helps me keep my head still.
Hi jake, i think you're right
last saturday i had a 25 m target competition and too much focus on the pin "eats" precious seconds to be "aligned" and release quite and soft
tomorrow i'll cut the red point and only the ring !
ps : my string is aligned on the frame of the ring, not the center (25 mm from the base)
Hi Jake, I'm a trad archer and recently started to play around with a borrowed ol. recurve bow and I find it quite interesting how this little sight influences my aiming cycle. Might also have something to do with me taking quite some time to get through the clicker. Anyways, your content is very, very helpful in improving in both disciplines.
On another note, I'd be interested in one of your 'old' apparel designs for a t-shirt, the 'backyard archery champion'. I'd be glad to see it in your shop.
Thanks Jake - i will try to shoot with this sight pin - i tired to much aimed and forget to do my shoot routine - maybe this can help my to prepare to future competition
Danke!
Thanks for the superthanks!
You give so much inspiration for almost all archers I know! Thank you Jake and the best regards from Germany@@JakeKaminskiArchery
I love the ring sight !
Definitely my preferred method, I use a titan scope with the glass removed.
I find it stops dragging my focus towards the sight and allows me to stare down the target
Thanks for the tip Jake, I have a competition on Saturday but maybe I can squeeze trying this into the Friday training :)
Jake, related to this topic I'd be interested to hear what you think of a bowsight such as the EZ V. Its a stereoscopic self ranging open sight that puts margins either side of the target. They are used on compound bows for bowhunting. The people using them are very often doing away with a peep and just use nose or kisser buttons for an anchor. Given that, I don't really see why they couldn't be used as a pinless open sight on a recurve for target shooting
Hi jake, i heard about wiawis new nsg xp limbs that introduced sef technology for the first time, also it has a special paint that blocks infrared rays to maintain the temperature . It sounds very interesting so please make a video with these limbs so that we can also know the advantages and the cons.
Great video. I'm an instinctive shooter. When my eyes are focused on the target squarely, I'm very successful. When they drift at all, my target looks like your shirt.
😂
Currently looking into getting a different sight pin because I can’t see mine indoors. Instead of seeing a pin in front of the target I see a blur like imperfect photoshop. I swapped to a slightly different one I still can’t really see it, but it is more visible, and my score has improved significantly.
Sweet shirt! Gonna check out the merch store.
This was a great explanation. Thanks!
I do shoot with a ring on the scope of my compound. I started with recurve and quickly switched to an empty pin myself too so i understand your point of view …
But how do you attack this when shooting BB, without a sight?
@Jake Kaminski. I'm new to archery I'm right handed so I bought a right handed bow, I cannot use it with my right hand so I hold the bow in my left hand and it feels much better. Should I get a left handed bow ?
Thank You.
What limbs do you prefer by performance: working or static recurves?
thanks for this one
This is very similar to the shooting w/ ancient Asiatic archery. No sight at all, and no reference aiming (arrow). Instead develop your “Form” for better grouping first, and always. With constantly better form, your grouping constantly improves.
As a learner i shoot bare bow, was told i could use a sight but refused. I shoot recurve and someone said that maybe tradition long bow would suite me from what i want out of archery. But who knows, im learning so alot can change
Sounds more that you prefer actual bare trad bows, and are confused as to what a 'barebow' is. A barebow is a misnomer, ain't anything 'bare' about one.
I've found that the staring competition with the gold works just as effectively for barebow - there's a 'quiet' mental point where your brain tells you that your pointing directly where you want your arrow to go. Admittedly you have to trust your brain is right rather than having a piece of aiming equipment telling you - which is another story all together!!
It’s a tough relationship for sure!
When staring at the target I see 2 sights floating , what one do I go with ? The one to the left or the one floating to the right? I've tried going with oth and with both I start off with good grouping and ery near the centre but then arrows start going g all over the place and I'm using the same exa t same technique, obviously iously so.ething is changing but I just cany see what's happening , incidentally I tried today with no scope and same thing happened I started of good then arrows started going everywhere and I was actually Shooting better without the scope , any ideas please ?
Thank you form india ❤
While I love for you that you've cut out social media, I am a little sad that the TikTok teens don't get to witness your concise wisdom and experience.
Yes. I do the same thing when I feel myself starting to become a slave to pins and aiming.
Hi Jake the problem i have is i see two blurry sight pins on target for a reference while looking at the target and feel not so confidence at hitting the target is this a normal thing that i have to get over.
This is normal, be sure to watch this video for more info th-cam.com/video/iDEYWlDeNoM/w-d-xo.html
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thankyou for your advice it explained everything perfectly now i need to practice .
Ok jake take me. To that fun world called archery
For everyone with a shibuya pin, you can just poke it out with an Allen key, or even your plunger. Much easier than pliers!
Shibuya accessories for the win.
Yes, this is exactly what I'm doind with indoor 40cm target and outdoor 122cm target. I practically align the Shibuya ring (without pin) inside the black rounds score target.
But, I have more problems with the indoor 3x target, the one with 6 to 10 points.
Whith this target that has no black circles, I lose alignment.
@@ivanrossi6481 how far out is your sight? It's ok for me, fully extended on a 3-spot
@@Hatchet898 good question. For the time being the second to last. But I have to try the last one
@@ivanrossi6481 I guess arm/draw length plays a part too! I think the unibushing is a great way to adjust the size! I wonder what size he used...
I was told, "Don't shoot the bow, execute the shot."
"Peep" sights are the best of all iron sights. Just ask my .45-70 Sharps @ 800 yards.
Jake i see you watsing over you string and in te side is that how you normal aim ? we lurnt te set t string on te side of te riser so wot is correct te aim ?
Do you not go on tik tok at all
Not once.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery hmm
Sounds like “instinctive archery”.
100%
Not my view of instinctive. First remove the sight entirely. Then give up with the gaps and string walking and other techniques to use the arrow point as an aiming reference. Just point and shoot, matching the analogy of throwing a ball.
@@jameskelson1891
Nor mine tbh, I'm a learning archer and at my club refused to use sights. This may sound odd but for me i refused to use a sight at class. There's something very primitive about instinctive archery, you can't really explain it because everyone is different. But I'm just learning so maybe my opinions will change threw time. But for now, it's just me and bow and a instinctive and willing where the arrow goes. The more i have to think about it the worse my shot. Like Jake said i just burn a whole in the target, but not often will it hit where i feel it should go. But that's learning.
@jamesskelson1891 you’re missing the point of how aiming as if shooting instinctive but using a sight pin as a reference is what I am discussing in this video. Not literally instinctive, as if it was I’d not have talked about sights. True instinctive is how I shoot my trad bow, just as you describe and I believe because I have been shooting this “instinctive-esque” way my whole life is why I can shoot fairly well with my trad bow.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery
That's a fare point. You're talking about sights where we are talking something else.
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