My grandfather died in ‘65, a lingering casualty of multiple gas attacks in WW1. He went through the whole war without a scratch. Gassed, yes, but not shot. He had eight gun carriage horses shot out from under him and lost every single one of his friends. At the end of it all, it was a handshake and ‘best of luck’ as he returned to civvy street a deeply damaged brute who terrorised his children and was always a hair trigger away from serious violence. There was no PTSD treatment, no effort to assist returning soldiers. They and their families suffered unsupported and unremarked, and for what? To lay the foundations for WW2, while the toffs congratulated themselves on how clever they were at ‘biffing the hun’. Then it was my Dad’s turn.
And we have such gullible people even today doing and believing exactly what the government tells them. Ukraine is a perfect example with us in the west beating our chests to Russia. I mean why would we want to send a young man from France or the U.K. to die for a fight between Ukraine and Russia yet that’s the way it’s going. And no one dares says ‘no’ and no dares tell the media to stop stirring. It was the same in WW1 - fight for what. Germany never threatened the west and only did so when we threatened it because the elites ego was put out of joint because they thought they should rule the waves.
I am very sorry your grandfather suffered. I expect you would call me a Toff, but all classes suffered. My grandmother lost both her husband and her son in WW1. She gave the Bolitho Maternity Home to Penzance, so I guess you could say that out of death there came life. She put a beautiful stained glass window into Paul Church outside Penzance, and into Leusdon Church in Devon, as we then had land in both counties. She came from Invergordon Castle, so there was a monument I believe in Invergordon, as well as a cut-granite stable bungalow outside Penzance, complete with a memorial plaque to her lost son. / The windows are superb works of art, and give a lot of people something to see, while the bungalow has been a good home for a century, so her grief had some benefit. I never met her, so whether it did her any good, I do not know. / What I do know about your father's war, was that everything possible was done to minimise casualties. The soldiers loved Field Marshall Montgomery because they knew he cared about each and every life lost. I know this makes me sound like a "toff", but it is true - the husband of my late mother's cook, Violet, was a man by the name of Percy Cockings, and he had served in the Eighth Army, and was very proud of it. / My late father was a WW2 submarine officer with a DSC, and when he had heart problems, he went to Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight, then a service hospital or convalescent home - I forget which. There he met an older Irish lady, Betty Sheridan, and they got on so well, and as she needed a place to live, she came to one of our flats. She had been a nurse in WW1, and her fiance was killed, so she never married. She was a sister in WW2, and her convoy was shelled by the Germans, and she broke her back, though she recovered. She had a good dozen medals - more than my father - and on the Africa Star ribbon there was stiched on a silver '8', signifying that she had been under fire. She was very proud of that. / We are lucky we never saw war, due to their service. /
Forgetting the royal British legion was created,with Haig as it's first president. Raised funds for veterans and Gave them a club to go to. And companionship with others who served. Some councils gave land to some so they could have small holdings to do a bit of farming,etc. They weren't forgotten,or ignored.
I think your caricature of the Toffs is wide of the mark. Many of the middle class and upper classes who served in the Great War were also badly scared by the war. My friend's grand father on his mother's side was an senior officer and he committed suicide after the war. There is a popular myth that the officers were all wining and dining at Chateaus miles behind the front while the ordinary soldiers were being slaughtered. In reality, the British Army lost 200 senior Officers at the rank of Lieutenant General during the conflict.
There is a back story to those soldiers that I find incredible. In 1914 my Grandfather joined the 5th Bat (Territorial) York and Lancs at Rotherham. In 1915 they were sent to France. Only a minority survived. Demobbed in 1919 grandad and his friends started families and then rejoined the Territorial Battalion! This to continue their Soldiering Hobby. Our local museum has a collection of photographs showing the Lads out training all with big smiles and with thumbs up! I only discovered this recently whilst researching his service in the town’s archives, he was also awarded the Military Medal. Two things he failed to mention to us before he died.
Often the best keep silent. It meant something to serve the country then. Government has trashed that since. But you still take prode in it. / I was briefly a TAVR infantryman, but the hierarchy were in the early stages of Woke, and we spoke a different language, so I left. My family has produced warriors for centuries. /
My Grandad enlisted in 1915 in 4th Hallamshire Battalion York and Lancs in Sheffield, his soldiering days ended in October 1917 in Ypres when he nearly had his arm shot off, prior to that he had been attached to a tunnelling company, I think 184 which was only found out by chance, he said very little of it all, I wish I knew what he had done, but I dread to think what he went through
@@zen4men “Often the best kept silent.” I’d say it wasn’t just “the best”. Not many people talked about the war because it stirred up bad feelings. Memories that were buried deep, too horrific to contemplate. Trauma has that effect. Oh, my eldest brother went into the TAVR and came out of it as a raving communist who got worse as the years went on. We don’t talk now. Part of me thinks that maybe his politics is a snarl, a kind of psychological barrier to stop people getting too close. People are far more complex than you make them out to be. It’s not all black hats and white hats. There’s always the element of greyness.
@@LoriCiani All government organisations are expelling anyone not Far Left. Classic Cancel Culture tactics used by every tyranny. Always ends in genocide. Unless stopped. /
Many didn't talk about their wartime experiences. I only discovered this year that a beloved uncle of mine served with the British army in Italy in WW2. I knew nothing about this until my older sister told me. All she knows is that when he was demobbed, he bore a lifelong hatred for the Italians, though she couldn't say why. Yesterday, while going through boxes of old photos I removed while clearing out my late mother's house, I found two photos of him in uniform. Uncle Charlie died over 30 years ago and none of the older generation of my family are still alive who might know what happened to him. What I can say is that he was the most decent, kind and wonderful uncle a boy could have and I will love him dearly to the end of my days. When I was very small, he used to ruffle my hair or tickle me and call me an old fraud. I'm 72 now and I can still hear his gentle voice in my head when I think of those words. Rest in peace Uncle Charlie. I was so lucky to grow up surrounded by your love.
IT WAS BITING SATIRE, SOME SAY OVER THE TOP, BUT NOT FOR ME, I'VE READ MANY MANY QUALITY AND WELL RESEARCHED ACCOUNTS, BY INTERNATIONL HISTORIANS OF HIGH REPUTE, IT WAS BANNED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS IN AMERICA, BECAUSE OF THE MASS OPPOSITION AND RIOTINGBY THE ANTI VIETNAM MOVEMENT. GIVEN THIS FILMS MESSAGE, IT COULD HAVE FANNED THE FLAMES EVEN MORE.
“We’re here coz we’re here” is the theme song for every British regiment that has ever served right up today. We don’t do heroes in Britain, we do poor bloody infantry.
My grandfather was at Mons twice. Made it through the whole war. His two brothers weren't so lucky. He came home to the so called Land Fit For Hero's where nothing was done for them. He along with other's would have been ready to overthrow the establishment if there had been the leadership
At first I thought the NCO was being callous but really he’s in the same boat as the other men. In many ways, I think his gruff attitude helps to give a business as usual air and prevents self pity or moping
Yeah, business as usual meaning the wounded officers get transport arranged and the enlisted have to rely on the good will of lorry drivers. Business as usual - UK style.
If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t be here today very brave and courageous they must of gone through hell I’m seventy November didn’t see it very lucky for some RIP for those who didn’t get home bless them
My grandfather also was a gunner who served in the dardenells and the western front. He also was gassed and demobbed from the western front. He joined the HAC in London after WW1 where became a Sergeant. He refused promotion during the war because he didn't want to order his freinds to there deaths. In died in 1961 due to the gas just before my parents married
and the war in your head never ends just a lull in the war for it to come back again this war we still have today in our service personal but you can not see it just the problems it causes
My grandfather was at Mons. Served with the Rifle Brigade from 1909 to 1919, and was gassed somewhere along the way. It breaks my heart to imagine what he went through, almost without pause, for those four terrible years, and to know that the worst my imagination can conjure up can never match his reality.
What's so terrible about the whole thing was WWI is overshadowed by WWII. Despite more people dying in WWII, I find WWI was much worse since it was literally a meat grinder where people died for nothung
@@labeles41 Do some proper research! The Far Left want you to believe their propaganda. The army learnt. Remember, Britain was NOT a continental army like Prussia/Germany or France. It was TINY. By 1918, it was 5 million men, and with our allies, we swept the Germans from the battlefield. We created combined arms soldiering. A cousin of mine invented the whip aeriel for tanks, based on his fishing rod, and he pioneered air-to-ground radio for artillery spotting. Many years later, he moored his yacht next to an author, and his name - Richard Bolitho - became the hero of many books. / Just find out how many senior British officers were killed on the battlefield. The Far Left tells you they were all miles back in chateaus, which some were. But plenty went right to the front. Winston Churchill - a cabinet minister - was a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Scots in WW1 - right in the trenches. / People like Montgomery, who saw poor staff work, particularly early in the war, made it his life's work to be the consumate staff officer, and then a caring general. Which was why his soldiers loved him. / When Douglas Haig died after WW1, huge numbers of soldiers mourned his passing, even though he lacked Montgomery's common touch. / his nam
And world war two had better leadership?, i think you need read more, Churchill who sent so many to their deaths for nothing but his own personal glory, would you get on a bus with a drunken driver, you many staff officers have Churchill was drunk half of the time,
3:20-4:15 - the looks on their faces doesn't need a battle scene to describe what they went through at Mons. A fantastic scene and moreover a fantastic movie.
Correct, it's a disgraceful lie, there are very good reasons why the British Army, alone of all the major combatants, never mutinied or indeed had any notable disciplinary issues throughout the whole war.
Yes, that's true. But it's out of the subaltern's hands here. I think what's being shown is how the number of unexpected casualties swamped the home country's resources. The War is already growing into a monster.
@@redtobertshateshandlesYet, those to the left say the media has never been so right wing. It’s a matter of opinion, said the man with the wooden leg. Wherever you stand politically you’re going to see the media on the opposite side. The more extreme the view, the more to the opposite they seem to be. A healthy little dose of scepticism and a handy fact check is a good thing, but blind disbelief, (like blind belief,) can lead you up the tin foil hat alleyway.
What my father told me of his first time in the army, (he enlisted during the depression and traveled to places like India and South Africa.) He told me about the bullying that went on and the things that “superior” officers got up to. Even so my father returned to duty when the Second World War broke out, leaving my mother to cope with their young sons on very little money. My grandfather fought in the First World War. I never knew him, but from what I was told about him, it must have affected him because he was a bit of a violent alcoholic when he returned. Neither of them got any help to return to civilian life or cope with the trauma and PTSD they suffered. In turn their families suffered.
We have plenty of them, my grandad ex-rsm in the paras. The reason for not having shouting types and I'll have your guts types is that the navy and army train recruits differently nowadays
Typical isn’t it: they only had ambulances for the officers, none for the other ranks. Until a corporal found a bunch of lorry drivers who were willing to take the wounded troops to the hospital during their lunch hour.
Complete bollocks of course, never happened and more to do with the hard-left, anti-establishment obsessions of the late 1960's. That you're prepared to take this snippet at face value says a lot about it's effectiveness and your own credulity and lack of curiosity. The whole film is full of crap like this.
Officer casualties as a proportion were higher than other ranks and I write that as the grandson and great grandson and great great nephew of many who served on the Western Front as rankers in front line infantry units .German soldiers sought out officers as targets to the point where officers went over the top wearing private's tunics and carrying rifles to avoid being targeted .
We only cracked PTSD in 2021. We sussed how trauma worked in the Iraqi wars, the first Immediate Action therapy was from Peter Levine's thinking in 1995 (Waking the Tiger), but it didn't address embedded issues. Ruth Lannius gave the hints in May 2020, I worked it through, as I'm NeuroDiverse and at least one therapy was obviously dangerous (the FDA has since banned it). but was sponsored by the great and the good in Psychiatry, so sussed how the therapies work, under the eye of Bruce Duncan Perry. We come equipped to heal ourselves, if only we'd stop thinking for half an hour. The limbic system which drains the reflex needs the trigger in the mind's eye, it's as simple as that, drop into the subconscious and let it do it's thing.
@@paddy864 It started as a documentary, brought together by Charles Chiltern. Joan Plowright then assembled it into a history of WW!, as a critique of the Vietnamese War, and Richard Attenborough filmed it, his first venture into directing.
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The Germans get “All Quiet on the Western Front”. We get a brutal musical!
No, it started with Charles Chiltern simply taking a note of the songs, the voice of the men. Joan Plowright then used it as a history of the war, which nearly got censored by the Establishment, on a shoestring budget at the Theatre Royal Stratford - she used end-of-the-pier pierrot costumes as they were what she had, rather than uniforms, and that got caught up in the Summer of Love anti-Vietnamse War movement. In the autumn of 69, Dickie Attenborough got the necessary rights together to make the film, and a cast of the whole UK theatre establishment. I'd just joined the CCF battalion at the school which had founded the National Youth Theatre movement fourteen years earlier, and had spent the afternoon sorting the stores in search of a battledress my size - an the bottom of a pile of kit about eight feet high was a box, different cloth and cut, I looked for a label - 1917. I finished off, left the box where it was, and reported back to Admin. The guy was on the phone, retired RSM, "No, Dickie, sorry, I'm pretty sue we don't have any WW1 uniforms. What is it, Rahere? We do? Well, you speak to Mr Attenborough then." That solved the issue of the box - and irritated Mrs Plowright considerably. A couple of months passed, basic training complete, orders from Admin, be on parade in uniform 0630 outside the school gates on Saturday. That meant the milk train. So there I was, feeling a right lemon, when a parp-parp came from down the road, a charabanc rolled into sight with the cast on board. That's how I took my first salute from Olivier and Gielgud, the High Command of the stage, they'd partied the night at Stratford and were now en route to Clapham Common to join the London-Brighton veteran car rally, ahead of filming in and behind the town. A lifetime later, I was a Staff Colonel, beating militarism into Peacemaking, and realised there was a hidden message to the cast. Then as now, it's the teens who die. At least the reintroduction of National Service has faded with the election. It is, certainly, something a citizen must do to defend the Nation, and that requires training. But it's not the right of the feudal rump to demand it, and at long last the end of the Hereditary Peerage is in sight.
This musical is from the 1960s at the height of the anti Vietnam war movement. All Quiet was on the Western Front was originally a Hollywood film made in 1930, then remade in 1979 for TV and finally the more recent German version. You might want to check out 1917 for a more modern, British look at the Great War.
@@biteycat That's because Charles Chiltern's original focus was on collecting the songs before they were lost to time. From there, Joan Plowright added the political direction, and Richard Attenborough abstracted the wider point made first by Rudyard Kipling, mourning the loss of his only child, in Dulce et Decorum. I was innocently manipulated into delivering that payload to the cast, but at the same time went on to complete Gandhi's unfinished business, solo.
Wounded at Amien in 1917 Took seven years for my grandad to die from his wounds when my dad was two and a half, so my grandma couldn’t claim war widow’s allowance
Does anyone know the identity of the actor playing the sergeant at the train station? I trying looking him jp in IMB, but couldn't find a listing for him. He does a wonderful job of portraying NCO and I always think of him when ingraining a one.
Derek Newark: served in the Coldstream Guards and Royal Artillery before becoming an actor. He died in 1998. I agree it's an excellent portrayal of an experienced regular NCO of the period, and one of the best scenes in this film.
Not brave men, doing their duty in the horrors of an industrial war, against a vicious aggressor? Still I guess you've got a brilliant idea about how the war should have been conducted, lets hear it?
@@onastick2411 It shouldn't be conducted at all. That is the whole message of the film. War is a brutal, unnecessary hell which slaughters innocent men by the millions and traumatizes the survivors.
@@basil9973 It's not "unnecessary" when the enemy is at your throat and you either fight back or go under. The French, large parts of whose country was under German occupation, did not consider having to fight to get them out again, "unnecessary".
Lord Nelson Officers have always been expected to return a salute to an lower rank to signal when they are to drop their salute. There are select cases when the salute should not be rendered but those are covered pretty neatly in public military handbook. The rule of thumb they taught us is “when in doubt, salute it out” but that’s for officer cadets training to become officers in the US Military so your mileage may vary
The SGT's salute was obscured in the video, but you can just see him drop the salute after the LT has returned the salute. Edit: We do see the officer salute the SGT a second time and his does go up first, but he's doing more as a goodbye and almost a dismissive gesture. Certainly back then it wasn't unusual to see officers use a salute more as a "full stop" to a conversation than a formal gesture. I remember seeing officers doing that back in the 80's as a way of saying "right get on with it"
UNLESS YOU SET OUT TO CREATE A HISTORIC DOCUMENTARY, AND CLAIM IT TO BE SO, YOU CANNOT HOPE TO SEE THAT WHEN IT IS A , ENTERTAINMENT WITH MUSIC, AND B, WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE STAGE, BY A HARDENED LEFT-WING CRITIC.
@@jjrj8568 Not really. They all came back from the front when it all finished to be treated as workshy dolescum. George Garratt writes that the unemployment situation for them became so bad that for years Pawn Shops carried WW1 bravery medals in their windows.
What sort of fairy tale world do you live in? They're not back from the front, the front the abandonen is 250mi. away at Mons. Theyre back from a rout.
If you look carefully, you'll see the sergeant drop his arm after the officer returns his salute. He's saluting the officer, you just don't see his arm in the shot.
Really? There were some very, very good officers in the Great War. The problem with this film is that it is as much an artefact of the 60s anti-establishment as it is an accurate portrayal of many elements of the War - not least because of the huge inaccuracies of "The Donkeys" - the book that was the spur to this and other protrayals.
YOU CLEARLY KNOW BUGGER-ALL. THE B.E.F WERE A TINY PROFESSIONAL ARMY, COMPARED TO THE GERMAN STEAM ROLLER, WHO WAS MIRACULOUSLY HALTED BY THIS LITTLE ''CONTEMPTIBLE ARMY'', SHOCKING THE GERMANS BY THEIR RAPID AND ACCURATE RIFLE FIRE. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THE BRITS WERE USING AUTOMATICS. . THE KAISER LATER SAID ,THEY WERE ''LIONS LED BY DONKEYS''.
@@MrDaiseymay Yeah yeah, I know the "so accurate and fast it seemed machine-gun fire" story. Perhaps dreadful is too harsh, but for me Mons was just a few shots and then "retreat, retreat!" until they got the Marne. Sir John French was a nervous guy. He wanted to retreat to Le Havre for a probable evacuation (that means like Dunkirk but in 1914!). At least Smith-Dorrien showed some balls at Le Cateau.
@@MrDaiseymay The Kaiser didnt say that, that phrase has been first attributed to the French infantry. This whole nonsense about the SMLE's high rate of fire is misplaced. The first opposition the Germans came up against were Vickers HMGs. Nontheless the British conducted a 250 mile retreat, and not a fighting retreat either.
The first time I saw this film was Christmas 1984, when I was a kid. And I am not ashamed to say l cried like a baby.
My grandfather died in ‘65, a lingering casualty of multiple gas attacks in WW1. He went through the whole war without a scratch. Gassed, yes, but not shot. He had eight gun carriage horses shot out from under him and lost every single one of his friends. At the end of it all, it was a handshake and ‘best of luck’ as he returned to civvy street a deeply damaged brute who terrorised his children and was always a hair trigger away from serious violence. There was no PTSD treatment, no effort to assist returning soldiers. They and their families suffered unsupported and unremarked, and for what? To lay the foundations for WW2, while the toffs congratulated themselves on how clever they were at ‘biffing the hun’. Then it was my Dad’s turn.
And we have such gullible people even today doing and believing exactly what the government tells them. Ukraine is a perfect example with us in the west beating our chests to Russia. I mean why would we want to send a young man from France or the U.K. to die for a fight between Ukraine and Russia yet that’s the way it’s going. And no one dares says ‘no’ and no dares tell the media to stop stirring. It was the same in WW1 - fight for what. Germany never threatened the west and only did so when we threatened it because the elites ego was put out of joint because they thought they should rule the waves.
I am very sorry your grandfather suffered.
I expect you would call me a Toff,
but all classes suffered.
My grandmother
lost both her husband and her son in WW1.
She gave the Bolitho Maternity Home to Penzance,
so I guess you could say
that out of death there came life.
She put a beautiful stained glass window
into Paul Church outside Penzance,
and into Leusdon Church in Devon,
as we then had land in both counties.
She came from Invergordon Castle,
so there was a monument I believe in Invergordon,
as well as a cut-granite stable bungalow outside Penzance,
complete with a memorial plaque
to her lost son.
/
The windows are superb works of art,
and give a lot of people something to see,
while the bungalow has been a good home for a century,
so her grief had some benefit.
I never met her,
so whether it did her any good,
I do not know.
/
What I do know about your father's war,
was that everything possible was done
to minimise casualties.
The soldiers loved Field Marshall Montgomery
because they knew
he cared about each and every life lost.
I know this makes me sound like a "toff",
but it is true -
the husband of my late mother's cook, Violet,
was a man by the name of Percy Cockings,
and he had served in the Eighth Army,
and was very proud of it.
/
My late father was a WW2 submarine officer with a DSC,
and when he had heart problems,
he went to Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight,
then a service hospital or convalescent home -
I forget which.
There he met an older Irish lady, Betty Sheridan,
and they got on so well,
and as she needed a place to live,
she came to one of our flats.
She had been a nurse in WW1,
and her fiance was killed,
so she never married.
She was a sister in WW2,
and her convoy was shelled by the Germans,
and she broke her back,
though she recovered.
She had a good dozen medals -
more than my father -
and on the Africa Star ribbon
there was stiched on a silver '8',
signifying that she had been under fire.
She was very proud of that.
/
We are lucky
we never saw war,
due to their service.
/
Forgetting the royal British legion was created,with Haig as it's first president. Raised funds for veterans and Gave them a club to go to. And companionship with others who served. Some councils gave land to some so they could have small holdings to do a bit of farming,etc. They weren't forgotten,or ignored.
You mean the legion which has millions and wont help out veterans whilst the directs ate on 100's of 1000s@Trebor74
I think your caricature of the Toffs is wide of the mark. Many of the middle class and upper classes who served in the Great War were also badly scared by the war. My friend's grand father on his mother's side was an senior officer and he committed suicide after the war.
There is a popular myth that the officers were all wining and dining at Chateaus miles behind the front while the ordinary soldiers were being slaughtered. In reality, the British Army lost 200 senior Officers at the rank of Lieutenant General during the conflict.
I watched this scene and thought of my grandfather who, as Royal Engineer, saw action at the Somme and Ypres. Beautiful scene from a memorable film.
My Great Grandfather was also a Sapper in the Royal Engineers. He was killed at Ypres. RIP.
There is a back story to those soldiers that I find incredible. In 1914 my Grandfather joined the 5th Bat (Territorial) York and Lancs at Rotherham. In 1915 they were sent to France. Only a minority survived. Demobbed in 1919 grandad and his friends started families and then rejoined the Territorial Battalion! This to continue their Soldiering Hobby. Our local museum has a collection of photographs showing the Lads out training all with big smiles and with thumbs up! I only discovered this recently whilst researching his service in the town’s archives, he was also awarded the Military Medal. Two things he failed to mention to us before he died.
Often the best keep silent.
It meant something to serve the country then.
Government has trashed that since.
But you still take prode in it.
/
I was briefly a TAVR infantryman,
but the hierarchy were in the early stages of Woke,
and we spoke a different language,
so I left.
My family has produced warriors for centuries.
/
My Grandad enlisted in 1915 in 4th Hallamshire Battalion York and Lancs in Sheffield, his soldiering days ended in October 1917 in Ypres when he nearly had his arm shot off, prior to that he had been attached to a tunnelling company, I think 184 which was only found out by chance, he said very little of it all, I wish I knew what he had done, but I dread to think what he went through
@@zen4men “Often the best kept silent.” I’d say it wasn’t just “the best”. Not many people talked about the war because it stirred up bad feelings. Memories that were buried deep, too horrific to contemplate. Trauma has that effect. Oh, my eldest brother went into the TAVR and came out of it as a raving communist who got worse as the years went on. We don’t talk now. Part of me thinks that maybe his politics is a snarl, a kind of psychological barrier to stop people getting too close. People are far more complex than you make them out to be. It’s not all black hats and white hats. There’s always the element of greyness.
@@LoriCiani
All government organisations
are expelling anyone not Far Left.
Classic Cancel Culture tactics
used by every tyranny.
Always ends in genocide.
Unless stopped.
/
Many didn't talk about their wartime experiences. I only discovered this year that a beloved uncle of mine served with the British army in Italy in WW2. I knew nothing about this until my older sister told me. All she knows is that when he was demobbed, he bore a lifelong hatred for the Italians, though she couldn't say why. Yesterday, while going through boxes of old photos I removed while clearing out my late mother's house, I found two photos of him in uniform. Uncle Charlie died over 30 years ago and none of the older generation of my family are still alive who might know what happened to him. What I can say is that he was the most decent, kind and wonderful uncle a boy could have and I will love him dearly to the end of my days. When I was very small, he used to ruffle my hair or tickle me and call me an old fraud. I'm 72 now and I can still hear his gentle voice in my head when I think of those words. Rest in peace Uncle Charlie. I was so lucky to grow up surrounded by your love.
burgess "hooray mafekings been relieved" always makes me laugh 😆
Great scene --so atmospheric.
Una película muy bien hecha en resaltar la estupidez de la guerra en su máxima expresión. Toda una joya en la extensión de la palabra.
IT WAS BITING SATIRE, SOME SAY OVER THE TOP, BUT NOT FOR ME, I'VE READ MANY MANY QUALITY AND WELL RESEARCHED ACCOUNTS, BY INTERNATIONL HISTORIANS OF HIGH REPUTE, IT WAS BANNED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS IN AMERICA, BECAUSE OF THE MASS OPPOSITION AND RIOTINGBY THE ANTI VIETNAM MOVEMENT. GIVEN THIS FILMS MESSAGE, IT COULD HAVE FANNED THE FLAMES EVEN MORE.
“We’re here coz we’re here” is the theme song for every British regiment that has ever served right up today.
We don’t do heroes in Britain, we do poor bloody infantry.
My grandfather was at Mons twice. Made it through the whole war. His two brothers weren't so lucky. He came home to the so called Land Fit For Hero's where nothing was done for them. He along with other's would have been ready to overthrow the establishment if there had been the leadership
A great movie
Great scene, great direction.
GREAT, UNMATCHED FILM
At first I thought the NCO was being callous but really he’s in the same boat as the other men. In many ways, I think his gruff attitude helps to give a business as usual air and prevents self pity or moping
Yeah, business as usual meaning the wounded officers get transport arranged and the enlisted have to rely on the good will of lorry drivers.
Business as usual - UK style.
@@229andymon oh definitely
Hooray, Mafekings been relieved!
I guess they didn't have fragging in World War I. Though if they did, there probably wouldn't be any officers left.
GREAT SATIRE, TYPICAL BRITS IN A GROUP. I LOVED THE WAY THEY PUT THEIR OWN WORDS INTO POPULAR SONGS
" Don't worry, we'll soon have you back at the front!"
Those words are so chilling...
If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t be here today very brave and courageous they must of gone through hell I’m seventy November didn’t see it very lucky for some RIP for those who didn’t get home bless them
Nonsense. If the Germans prevailed in 1914-1918 War Europe would have been better off.
My grandfather also was a gunner who served in the dardenells and the western front. He also was gassed and demobbed from the western front. He joined the HAC in London after WW1 where became a Sergeant. He refused promotion during the war because he didn't want to order his freinds to there deaths. In died in 1961 due to the gas just before my parents married
I'm watching the great war the BBC series on TH-cam the last couple of weeks and really incredible watch .😢
WELL DONE ''LEST WE FORGET''.
Each man fighting his own battle.
and the war in your head never ends just a lull in the war for it to come back again
this war we still have today in our service personal but you can not see it just the problems it causes
My grandfather was at Mons. Served with the Rifle Brigade from 1909 to 1919, and was gassed somewhere along the way. It breaks my heart to imagine what he went through, almost without pause, for those four terrible years, and to know that the worst my imagination can conjure up can never match his reality.
What's so terrible about the whole thing was WWI is overshadowed by WWII.
Despite more people dying in WWII, I find WWI was much worse since it was literally a meat grinder where people died for nothung
@@aishabintabubakr4944 Because WWI had a really incompetent General Staff from what I can gather.
@@labeles41
Do some proper research!
The Far Left want you to believe their propaganda.
The army learnt.
Remember,
Britain was NOT a continental army
like Prussia/Germany or France.
It was TINY.
By 1918,
it was 5 million men,
and with our allies,
we swept the Germans from the battlefield.
We created combined arms soldiering.
A cousin of mine
invented the whip aeriel for tanks,
based on his fishing rod,
and he pioneered air-to-ground radio
for artillery spotting.
Many years later,
he moored his yacht next to an author,
and his name - Richard Bolitho -
became the hero of many books.
/
Just find out
how many senior British officers
were killed on the battlefield.
The Far Left tells you
they were all miles back in chateaus,
which some were.
But plenty went right to the front.
Winston Churchill - a cabinet minister -
was a Lieutenant-Colonel in the Royal Scots in WW1 -
right in the trenches.
/
People like Montgomery,
who saw poor staff work,
particularly early in the war,
made it his life's work
to be the consumate staff officer,
and then a caring general.
Which was why his soldiers loved him.
/
When Douglas Haig died after WW1,
huge numbers of soldiers mourned his passing,
even though he lacked Montgomery's common touch.
/
his nam
And world war two had better leadership?, i think you need read more, Churchill who sent so many to their deaths for nothing but his own personal glory, would you get on a bus with a drunken driver, you many staff officers have Churchill was drunk half of the time,
@@labeles41 SOME SAY THE Y FOUGHT IT LIKE THEY DID AT WATERLOO
Excellent direction. My grandad got to Mons just in time to retreat
IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING AIN'T IT ?
3:20-4:15 - the looks on their faces doesn't need a battle scene to describe what they went through at Mons. A fantastic scene and moreover a fantastic movie.
Piffle, officers were always ensuring the care of their men
Correct, it's a disgraceful lie, there are very good reasons why the British Army, alone of all the major combatants, never mutinied or indeed had any notable disciplinary issues throughout the whole war.
Yes, that's true. But it's out of the subaltern's hands here. I think what's being shown is how the number of unexpected casualties swamped the home country's resources. The War is already growing into a monster.
The degree of Communisation nowadays, I find it hard to believe anything that the media say.
@@redtobertshateshandlesYet, those to the left say the media has never been so right wing. It’s a matter of opinion, said the man with the wooden leg. Wherever you stand politically you’re going to see the media on the opposite side. The more extreme the view, the more to the opposite they seem to be. A healthy little dose of scepticism and a handy fact check is a good thing, but blind disbelief, (like blind belief,) can lead you up the tin foil hat alleyway.
What my father told me of his first time in the army, (he enlisted during the depression and traveled to places like India and South Africa.) He told me about the bullying that went on and the things that “superior” officers got up to. Even so my father returned to duty when the Second World War broke out, leaving my mother to cope with their young sons on very little money. My grandfather fought in the First World War. I never knew him, but from what I was told about him, it must have affected him because he was a bit of a violent alcoholic when he returned. Neither of them got any help to return to civilian life or cope with the trauma and PTSD they suffered. In turn their families suffered.
Sadly they often gave their all.... Looking at the state of the 2TKs UK, one wonders!
don't worry we will have you back at the front in no time mmmm like daa thanks
GREAT BIT OF SATIRE
Smile Smile Smile Lest We Forget 🙏🙏
One of the best anti war films ever made.
We need more Englishmen like those NCOs
We have them. Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan where my son served as a NCO
We have plenty of them, my grandad ex-rsm in the paras. The reason for not having shouting types and I'll have your guts types is that the navy and army train recruits differently nowadays
Great film.
Typical isn’t it: they only had ambulances for the officers, none for the other ranks. Until a corporal found a bunch of lorry drivers who were willing to take the wounded troops to the hospital during their lunch hour.
Complete bollocks of course, never happened and more to do with the hard-left, anti-establishment obsessions of the late 1960's. That you're prepared to take this snippet at face value says a lot about it's effectiveness and your own credulity and lack of curiosity. The whole film is full of crap like this.
If you believe that you obviously know nothing about the British Army.
Officer casualties as a proportion were higher than other ranks and I write that as the grandson and great grandson and great great nephew of many who served on the Western Front as rankers in front line infantry units .German soldiers sought out officers as targets to the point where officers went over the top wearing private's tunics and carrying rifles to avoid being targeted .
Looking across the ranks, they are all suffering from PTSD. No therapy for them though.,.
I surest you spend a bit more time and look at the contemporary film made at Southampton. You can find it if you search shell shock.
It's a film mate, not a documentary or a newsreel, they're ACTORS!
@@paddy864umm it’s an observation and actually the truth.
We only cracked PTSD in 2021. We sussed how trauma worked in the Iraqi wars, the first Immediate Action therapy was from Peter Levine's thinking in 1995 (Waking the Tiger), but it didn't address embedded issues. Ruth Lannius gave the hints in May 2020, I worked it through, as I'm NeuroDiverse and at least one therapy was obviously dangerous (the FDA has since banned it). but was sponsored by the great and the good in Psychiatry, so sussed how the therapies work, under the eye of Bruce Duncan Perry. We come equipped to heal ourselves, if only we'd stop thinking for half an hour. The limbic system which drains the reflex needs the trigger in the mind's eye, it's as simple as that, drop into the subconscious and let it do it's thing.
@@paddy864 It started as a documentary, brought together by Charles Chiltern. Joan Plowright then assembled it into a history of WW!, as a critique of the Vietnamese War, and Richard Attenborough filmed it, his first venture into directing.
The Germans get “All Quiet on the Western Front”. We get a brutal musical!
No, it started with Charles Chiltern simply taking a note of the songs, the voice of the men. Joan Plowright then used it as a history of the war, which nearly got censored by the Establishment, on a shoestring budget at the Theatre Royal Stratford - she used end-of-the-pier pierrot costumes as they were what she had, rather than uniforms, and that got caught up in the Summer of Love anti-Vietnamse War movement. In the autumn of 69, Dickie Attenborough got the necessary rights together to make the film, and a cast of the whole UK theatre establishment. I'd just joined the CCF battalion at the school which had founded the National Youth Theatre movement fourteen years earlier, and had spent the afternoon sorting the stores in search of a battledress my size - an the bottom of a pile of kit about eight feet high was a box, different cloth and cut, I looked for a label - 1917. I finished off, left the box where it was, and reported back to Admin. The guy was on the phone, retired RSM, "No, Dickie, sorry, I'm pretty sue we don't have any WW1 uniforms. What is it, Rahere? We do? Well, you speak to Mr Attenborough then." That solved the issue of the box - and irritated Mrs Plowright considerably. A couple of months passed, basic training complete, orders from Admin, be on parade in uniform 0630 outside the school gates on Saturday. That meant the milk train. So there I was, feeling a right lemon, when a parp-parp came from down the road, a charabanc rolled into sight with the cast on board. That's how I took my first salute from Olivier and Gielgud, the High Command of the stage, they'd partied the night at Stratford and were now en route to Clapham Common to join the London-Brighton veteran car rally, ahead of filming in and behind the town.
A lifetime later, I was a Staff Colonel, beating militarism into Peacemaking, and realised there was a hidden message to the cast. Then as now, it's the teens who die. At least the reintroduction of National Service has faded with the election.
It is, certainly, something a citizen must do to defend the Nation, and that requires training. But it's not the right of the feudal rump to demand it, and at long last the end of the Hereditary Peerage is in sight.
This musical is from the 1960s at the height of the anti Vietnam war movement.
All Quiet was on the Western Front was originally a Hollywood film made in 1930, then remade in 1979 for TV and finally the more recent German version.
You might want to check out 1917 for a more modern, British look at the Great War.
@@biteycat That's because Charles Chiltern's original focus was on collecting the songs before they were lost to time. From there, Joan Plowright added the political direction, and Richard Attenborough abstracted the wider point made first by Rudyard Kipling, mourning the loss of his only child, in Dulce et Decorum. I was innocently manipulated into delivering that payload to the cast, but at the same time went on to complete Gandhi's unfinished business, solo.
Wounded at Amien in 1917 Took seven years for my grandad to die from his wounds when my dad was two and a half, so my grandma couldn’t claim war widow’s allowance
If those lads had seen just what our great country had turned into, I bet they would think twice about going over the top!
the song was pack up your toubles in your old kit
bag
MY FAVOURITE LINE IS '' WHILE YOU ASK LUCIFER TO LIGHT YOUR FAG'' SMILE BOY THATS THE STYLE--
Does anyone know the identity of the actor playing the sergeant at the train station? I trying looking him jp in IMB, but couldn't find a listing for him. He does a wonderful job of portraying NCO and I always think of him when ingraining a one.
Derek Newark: served in the Coldstream Guards and Royal Artillery before becoming an actor. He died in 1998. I agree it's an excellent portrayal of an experienced regular NCO of the period, and one of the best scenes in this film.
You always get some little two stripe FA never been further than HQ who fancies themselves as a hard man.
Lions led by donkeys. RIP, lads.
That phrase has been attributed to everyone from the French to the Russians.
Not brave men, doing their duty in the horrors of an industrial war, against a vicious aggressor? Still I guess you've got a brilliant idea about how the war should have been conducted, lets hear it?
twas tother way round
@@onastick2411 It shouldn't be conducted at all. That is the whole message of the film. War is a brutal, unnecessary hell which slaughters innocent men by the millions and traumatizes the survivors.
@@basil9973 It's not "unnecessary" when the enemy is at your throat and you either fight back or go under. The French, large parts of whose country was under German occupation, did not consider having to fight to get them out again, "unnecessary".
What's the song there singing when they leave the station
Don't know if you've found it but it's pack up your troubles in your old kit bag.
We're here because we're here we're here because we're here.. Its sang to the tune of auld lang syne.
@@axlscott278 A WORLD WIDE HIT, EVEN THE USSR ARMY CHORUS, NOT ONLY SANG IT AT THE ALBERT HALL, BUT HAD A MODEST HIT RECORD OF IT.
since when did an officer salute a sergeant? great film though
jesus shaves officers return salutes all the time
Carter Massey you sure?
There are several mentions of the enlisted man being required to hold the salute until it is returned by the officer.
Lord Nelson Officers have always been expected to return a salute to an lower rank to signal when they are to drop their salute. There are select cases when the salute should not be rendered but those are covered pretty neatly in public military handbook.
The rule of thumb they taught us is “when in doubt, salute it out” but that’s for officer cadets training to become officers in the US Military so your mileage may vary
The SGT's salute was obscured in the video, but you can just see him drop the salute after the LT has returned the salute. Edit: We do see the officer salute the SGT a second time and his does go up first, but he's doing more as a goodbye and almost a dismissive gesture. Certainly back then it wasn't unusual to see officers use a salute more as a "full stop" to a conversation than a formal gesture. I remember seeing officers doing that back in the 80's as a way of saying "right get on with it"
Movie name?
Great film poor history. If you want history look at the Peter Jackson film.
UNLESS YOU SET OUT TO CREATE A HISTORIC DOCUMENTARY, AND CLAIM IT TO BE SO, YOU CANNOT HOPE TO SEE THAT WHEN IT IS A , ENTERTAINMENT WITH MUSIC, AND B, WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE STAGE, BY A HARDENED LEFT-WING CRITIC.
Naval salute, lumps wrist, disgrace.
What is the name of this movie?
Oh! What a Lovely War
Treating men back from the front like garbage instead treating them respect . Jesus mary and Joseph .
this scene was innacurate
@@jjrj8568 Not really. They all came back from the front when it all finished to be treated as workshy dolescum. George Garratt writes that the unemployment situation for them became so bad that for years Pawn Shops carried WW1 bravery medals in their windows.
What sort of fairy tale world do you live in? They're not back from the front, the front the abandonen is 250mi. away at Mons. Theyre back from a rout.
And after the war was over, those who survived were shamed for not having died like the others.
It was a play written by a socialist culture warrior of his day.
shite... just watch "they shall not grow old" for the truth
ARE YOU JUDGING THE WHOLE FILM BY THIS SNIPPIT, IF SO , SEEK HELP.
Not: "what's the use *of*'". but, rather, 'what's the use *in*'' worrying': in standard English?
Officer saluting the sergeant at 1:13, I don't think so !
WRONG
I've always been told to hold the salute until the officer returns it..?
If you look carefully, you'll see the sergeant drop his arm after the officer returns his salute. He's saluting the officer, you just don't see his arm in the shot.
OH I'M NOT WATCHING IT THEN
Typical officer, the establishment elite get special treatment
The finest weapon the Germans had was the British Officer class.
Really? There were some very, very good officers in the Great War. The problem with this film is that it is as much an artefact of the 60s anti-establishment as it is an accurate portrayal of many elements of the War - not least because of the huge inaccuracies of "The Donkeys" - the book that was the spur to this and other protrayals.
@luvli5656 You hate the fact you have to be a man?.. so that means you are a woman then??
dreadful performance by the BEF at Mons
Fuck u
YOU CLEARLY KNOW BUGGER-ALL. THE B.E.F WERE A TINY PROFESSIONAL ARMY, COMPARED TO THE GERMAN STEAM ROLLER, WHO WAS MIRACULOUSLY HALTED BY THIS LITTLE ''CONTEMPTIBLE ARMY'', SHOCKING THE GERMANS BY THEIR RAPID AND ACCURATE RIFLE FIRE. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THE BRITS WERE USING AUTOMATICS. . THE KAISER LATER SAID ,THEY WERE ''LIONS LED BY DONKEYS''.
@@MrDaiseymay Yeah yeah, I know the "so accurate and fast it seemed machine-gun fire" story. Perhaps dreadful is too harsh, but for me Mons was just a few shots and then "retreat, retreat!" until they got the Marne. Sir John French was a nervous guy. He wanted to retreat to Le Havre for a probable evacuation (that means like Dunkirk but in 1914!). At least Smith-Dorrien showed some balls at Le Cateau.
@@MrDaiseymay The Kaiser didnt say that, that phrase has been first attributed to the French infantry. This whole nonsense about the SMLE's high rate of fire is misplaced. The first opposition the Germans came up against were Vickers HMGs. Nontheless the British conducted a 250 mile retreat, and not a fighting retreat either.
@@MrDaiseymay Nobody said "Lions led by donkeys" that was a lie written by Alan Clarke, a Tory MP, in his book published in the 1960,s
What a load of bullshit
In what way...??? we need some more than a pithy comment! makes you you sound like a d!ck...!
You certainly are.
You obviously know a lot about bullshit - or perhaps you don't, because this isn't.