Subaru Impreza: Key Will Not Come Out Of Ignition - Part I
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2019
- In this video I have a look at a Subaru Impreza that came in with a customer complaint that you could not remove the key from the ignition. A little bit of logic, a past experience helps us diagnose this one pretty quick. -Enjoy!
Part II: • Subaru Impreza: Key Wi...
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Watching Miss Marie working in the background made me smile, they grow up and move on from assisting to becoming a young jedi master so fast :)
She is a confident little lady
Great comment!
AND answering the phone.
What a team player!
It reminds me of the good ole days!! When I was learning to keep working, or dad would whoop me ass!!
To this day, I look behind me, while I work. I can't look at what I have to work on, for fear of getting whomped!! ;-)
The beauty of the intermittent fault...
Never back down
Anyone one else notice what was going on in the background as he was talking at the end? He's a good teacher.
Sounds like I heard the noon whistle at the end as well
Looks like Eric finally quit the brake jobs and 'volun-told' someone else :)
Miss Marie where are your safety glasses?
Safety squints engaged lol
I just can’t wrap my head around Marie in the background doing a brake job. Bless her heart. One thing is for sure, she has the best teacher in the biz.
I believe it was mentioned before that shes going to school for mechanics so this is great hands on experience for her. She will likely be top of her class because of this. In a few years she may even take over the SMA youtube channel!
I do recollect that. It’s just that in all my years I’ve only come across one female mechanic. Very rare indeed. Don’t get me wrong though, I absolutely wish her the best and working with Eric, she’ll be getting excellent real world training. I can already see her in class raising her hand and saying “Um, that’s not actually how it’s done.” 😁👍
I think she’ll do well. Only thing is, she’ll have to say “there’s your problem pal”
There's your problem Mister!
Eric out of the 2 dozen or so You Tubers I follow only two I think are naturally good in front of the camera speaking to the people; The report of the week (aka reviewbrah) and you. It has been a pleasure watching you for the last 4 years or so. Thanks for the video upload tonight.
I hear that. down to 3 myself
First and last time someone reached over and touched my key he found himself walking home. It was raining it I remember correctly.
On a side note, I've started back through all SMA brake videos as I'm need a fix.
"what if I just try to slip it in real slow" S.M.A. 2019 Quote of the year candidate.
Saw that 18:45 and thought the same thing.
Just the tip, and only for a minute
Just here for the one liners lol
You guys are too bad you're so bad!!!!
Love seeing Miss Marie knee deep in the hoopla, she is driven to do a good job due to your patience teaching her Eric. Outstanding, most of the young people around here want stuff handed to them. Miss Marie learned the value of a dollar. Well done Parents and SMA!
Thank God I didn't need this information without you telling half an hour of stories.
Marie can start a whole new SMA brake job channel: SMA “Brakes” TH-cam!!!
Great video which helped me fix my wife’s 2015 Impreza yesterday, but I actually figured out the root cause of the problem and a very easy fix.
The problem in my case was not internal failure of the switch but rather the mechanical operation of the switch (my switch tested just fine when I was able to activate the switch lever arm directly versus using the shifter shaft to activate it). Turns out what activates the switch is the bottom of the shifter shaft. The bottom of the shifter shaft can wear and or the lever on the micro switch can get slightly bent downward over time and therefore the mechanical motion that activates the switch is no longer adequate. What I wound up doing was bending the lever on the switch slightly upward to improve the downforce on the switch and this has corrected the problem. Another key to the issue was that numerous forward and backward motions of the shift lever would often not correct the issue and that’s because the issue is really an up and down motion issue not a forward and backward motion. Your electrical troubleshooting of the switch is what saved the day for me as I duplicated the measurements and that helped me understand what was going on because without the shifter shaft in place the switch never got “made” and then I realized it was the end of the shifter shaft that actually activated the switch.
P.S. you can actually just remove the shifter shaft, and then you can use a flashlight to look straight down the shifter shaft guide tube while in the park position and you can see the lever on the microswitch sitting right below where the shifter shaft sits while in the park position. You can then just insert a long stick down through the shifter shaft to activate the switch while in park position to test if the switch has actually failed or if it's just a mechanical activation issue due to wear of the shifter shaft or permanent bend of the micro switch lever. Just FYI, Don
YOU NAILED IT!!!
Temperature played a role in when mine would fail, and for whatever reason your post seemed to make sense to me as related to temperature. The switch lever is a very thin piece of metal and I think its prone to miniscule deformation in the heat like a thermometer spring.
Anyway, I was able to take mine apart by removing the shifter knob, bezel (black plastic), cover (gray plastic with indicators) and the white plastic bracket beneath. I did break one of the two clips holding the white bracket in place with just my fingernail, so be careful.
Once all of that is out of the way, move the shifter into the drive position (all the way back) and a small metal switch lever will make itself apparent. You can depress it manually to test it. The fix is to bend it ever so slightly up and towards the dash.
@wd8dsb saved the day for me.
@@cjshorkey great to hear my method of repair helped you out. My Wife’s car has now worked flawlessly for 6 months since I bent the micro switch lever arm upward ever so slightly.
@wd8dsb @cjshorkey did you have to remove all the trim like he did or pull the shifter assembly out or did you just remove shifter covers with it all still in place?
@@clintonbutler4503 I did have to remove the console cover (I'm sure that's the wrong terminology) both behind the shifter and in front of the shifter. It's the only way to be able to get the silver cover off... I think. You do not need to remove the lower trim (again, wrong description) on the left and right of the shifter assembly.
@@cjshorkey awesome thanks for clarifying!
There is a TSB for this issue. They have updated the park range switch(or as subaru calls it "Plate Guide-B") to resolve this as it is a very common problem! Working at a Subaru dealer I've probably replaced around 30-40 of them under warranty in the past year.
Hi! Love this reply. I'm having this exact same problem! Can't get my key out or back in! I am NOT a car mechanic...can you tell me what a 'TSB' is (There is s TSB) Not happy it's happening but really happy to at least know where to look. Will watch for your reply..although I know this is from 4+ years ago.
Been busy and have not had enough SMA in my life! When we film my videos my husband is always goofing around and zooming the camera on my assets and saying “ enhance, enhance” in his best Erik voice!! Cracks me up! Love the channel. Wish we had a mechanic like you in our neck of the woods for projects beyond our capabilities. ❤️🐞
o||||o Keep On Jeepin'! o||||o
The commentary on this video is awesome. No other car repair channel has what you have. Laughs, fun, and most of all done right. Keep up the great videos!
Hey Eric, FYI, the shifter release button opens the microswitch via a rod that runs down through the shifter stem. Just lightly touch the button with your finger and if the microswitch opens, its failed and needs a new switch. Sometimes its bad enough that you can verify it simply by pushing down and then lifting up on the shifter, all the while, not touching the release button. The microswitch will open and close. (While watching scan tool pid data of course :) Happy hunting...
Your probe made a tight fit. Remove probe and connector loosens. Hot and cold, expand and make contact. I always enjoy the videos. Reminds me of the time learning from my dad and his 50+ years of experience. Computers aren't everything.
Key won't come out? "Grabs slide hammer"
I remember years ago on my grandfathers truck you couldn't get the key out because he hadn't removed it ever. Different times.
U don't want shock wave the chip key
Or the old Chevys you could take the key out no matter what position the key was in.
My 59 impala starts without the key If you didn't turn it to "lock." They were intended to do that.
@@Dager004 I could still do that on 2002 Saturn.
Hey the key comes out now but somebody wore out my shifter! 😂🤣😂🤣
Eric, always amazes me that after taking it all apart, you are able to put it all together again!!
Been enjoying your videos. Also nice to see a very friendly mechanic that is honest and will never screw anyone over. Keep up the great work and hope you and your family have a safe and wonderful holiday season.
Also, just cause you can do it doesn't mean the lot of us can, you have the tools and place to get the job done, most of us likely doesn't :P
Watching you struggle with the key made me so anxious 😂
"You ain't messing with no broke, broke"🤣🤣🤣
well I'm new to sma channel I've been at the wrenching thing for 30+ yrs and I always say you learn everyday at the shop. I've learned and used quite a few of your tricks. thanks again for the awesome videos!! your the man sir!!
I always read the pictures first. Love the videos. You make the process very interesting and informative.
Thanks so much you have made the diagnosis on our 2015 Subaru Extera. I’m taking it to the dealership in Spokane tomorrow
Great video Eric! It's amazing to see our little Marie all grown up and working on her own car repair jobs! She's quite an impressive young lady!
Micro switches aka precision switches by design tend to wipe the contacts against each other especially during overtravel and this helps to clean any oxides from the contacts that may be preventing low voltage low current DC from breaking thru the oxide layer. The more you cycle it the cleaner it gets which is supposed to increase reliability.....except for Subaru of course.
My wife always cracks up when you drop the "classic reacharound" line!
Your hilarious. Thank God I got you to alwsy make me laugh. Thank you for making my days better.
Subaru has a tsb on that issue. It is a common problem. It is a shifter repair kit. You do not have to replace the complete shifter. But it does have to be removed from the vehicle to complete the repair. 😀
Miss Marie being on her new ventures but is missed. May be one day she’ll grace the channel with her skills
Dealer: "Cannot duplicate customer complaint. $300 dollars, please."
"Cannot duplicate customer complaint" code for -> "we actually didn't spend more than 5 minutes on it"
@@HappyHands. 100% spot on !! .... dealerships are generally fucked when it comes to diagnosis ... they're clueless
Ha ha to bad it true
@@1dlb tried to get my mum's car booked in at a dealership once, 2009 mini clubman d, dpf light came on at around 90k miles, dealership wanted it for diagnosis....
watajob: exactly!
I’ve had that happen on a ford escort. Now I know. Thanks just keep vloging we love it.
Its awesome that you have such a good teaching mind set! Thanks for taking the time to do videos! Also I am going thru all your vids and hitting like🙃😃
By probing it you caused the resistance it needed to see it was in park. Love your resilience to make it do it again never give up kids.
Love seeing your Daughter in the background following in your footsteps fixing the car behind you :).
It's cool as hell that Miss Marie is going beyond helper and becoming a mechanic. It brings a tear of joy to my eye.
All the gear heads watching this vid (including me) were distracted watching Marie in the background doing a brake job. Marie the master mechanic, you go girl!
Once again, you descend into the electronic rabbit hole! As someone said in a different context, a major part of your thought process seems to be establishing your "known unknowns from your unknown unknowns". On a brighter note, thanks for sharing one of your "Evil Young Eric O Adventures". It is always amazing how so many of the things we did as teenagers seemed to make perfect sense at the time, but now, in retrospect, not so much - having fun with car keys, indeed!
Dont know if it helps or not but I never skip the ads so you can get as much as possible! You deserve it! By the way love the Mr. Gareson reference "Mmmkay" 😂
I trust you, been watching for to long to not. About to watch pt II of this series.
nice work illustrating how this key gets stuck. thanks
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, Eric
FRUSTRATING doesn't even begin to describe this issue. On a more positive note, Ms. Marie is still a BADASS!!
Nice video as always! Waiting for the fix! Thank you man!
Almost needed a split screen so we could see the action in the background. Love watching Miss Marie learning.
any test that is not damaging anything and gives you information is a good test!!
Murphy's Law with repair videos! Never fails.
It was messing up before the DVOM was in play. Remove it and try again. When it messes up plug in the DVOM. Just thinking out loud.....and yelling at the screen :-)
Was that you yelling? I thought it was me plus an echo.
Been their had a customer bring in a car with a problem when I tried to reproduce the problem it worked fine. The wonderful world of automotive electronics
NC Powder Coating LLC same thing happens with horses! Sunday-Tuesday dead lame Wednesday( vet appointment) horse no longer lame! As a matter of fact the shithead is racing around its paddock playing catch me if you can while the vet waits! You pay your farm call fee and apologize profusely, Thursday horse is dead lame again! Take video and send it to vet, vet agrees horse is lame, sends the classic I’m on my way! Vet arrives shithead is now sound again!
Sometimes you just wanna rip your hair out and babel incoherently as they take you to the loony bin!
Jees Eric. You’d think a guy with your experience could make it fail ;). But seriously- thanks for all this content you, your wife and the crew make. I’m not a mechanic but I realized a while back that I was using the Eric O method to troubleshoot a server. More justification to watch car repair videos!
Your very educational and entertaining. I wish that you were close enough to work on my 2013 Outback on this Issue. The Dealership said that I must be doing something wrong lol (nope just trying to take the key out) lol. Looking forward to Video #2 as I just found this one!
Great video Eric, switch won that show, lol. Stuff happens. Keep them coming, yes, if you can do it, we can watch. Thanks.
Great video Eric.great job
It's a good thing you already knew where the problem was. Intermiiiants are a major pain to troubleshoot.
Ya fixed it!! Ole customer just needs to move South a couple of states for the winter and massage the shifter a few times?
Nice presentation as always Mr.O.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
wow. Marie's doing a brake job. Good job Marie.
Thank You so much have 2009 forester shock the shifter and was able to remove the key!
you are a bloody good mechanic, from a Australian.
"Clips and The Claws" will be the name of my new neo rockabilly band!
Or, a new saloon
So your "new new rockabilly band" ?
Neo = New in Greek.
@@RealCadde yes! As opposed to an "old neo rockabilly" band like the Stray Cats!
Heh heh, we're going to do our first show down "Camino road" (road road) at "table mesa" (table table)!
There is a tsb for that you get park switch and 2 clips
subaruenduro yeah its a shifter short block
35122FJ033 micro switch plate. 35164AJ000 clip, 35164AJ010 other clip tsb16-11218R
Don`t say TSB. I have an `18 F 150 that the door latch freezes intermittantly and there a re a couple TSB`s that don`t fIx the problem.
Interesting. I was not aware of the solenoid interlock.
Great vid.
Very good one. I'm busy with our Sharan's back door. Tumbler broke, so now you can't unlock the door with the key. And the electric motor that opens the door for you when you lift the door handle is tired of life.
Was real fun getting that door open. (Seems our Sharan's a first generation, newer models have an emergency lever which you can access to open the rear door with).
Hopefully the VW agents can help with the right parts, otherwise it's off to the scrapyard.
Dude, you are a riot! Great video. Possibly there was junk in the selector?
He likes the pictures to help him figure out how to do it.
OTH, we like Eric's videos to help us figure out what to do.
A couple years ago I watched a Ford Ranger forum video about how to fix a PRNDL issue.
I watched it over and over till I had it memorized. The guy told me exactly what star wrenches and hex sockets I would need. Tossed just those tools in a bag and went outside to the Ranger. 45 minutes later the job was done. Didn't need to go back to my tool box a single time.
Subaru has a tsb about that, and they send out a whole shift plate with a redesigned micro switch so that it will not happen again.
christopher hurless really!? What years and models?
Miss Marie wrenching in the background, keep it up young lady! 👍
Great job again like always
Now there’s a surprise for ya. The key being held in by the shifter. Makes sense, ya gotta have your bases covered in case someone riding with ya tries to yank the keys while your driving. Nice work Eric. That one would have taken me a while to figure out.
She already knew she needed more power. Girl's got game.
Good explanation on using a test light on an electrical circuit, Best to use a tool with resistance then to short it to ground and let "the Magic Smoke" out of something Expensive!
you fixed the problem with the probe jammed in there is my guess....
Can't say I've ever reached over and shut the key off on someone driving as a "game"
And if a "friend" did it to me, they would be walking, with a black eye.
Usually is has something to do with "Bud" making someone "Weiser".
We called it "stall training" lmao
Back in the '60's, it was safer to do it,, since the key swich was in the dashboard. No steering wheel lock.
Just turn the key off and pull the e brake
good test light advice , very good video thankyou
This was very helpful thank you very much ❣️
Years [ok, decades] ago in my Drivers Ed class, the instructors would purposely turn off the key at random times to see how the students would react to the emergency. We had heard from previous classes that they were doing it, but you never knew when. Talk about a fun time with a car full of students and the instructor reaches over out of the blue. Some people handled it well. Some not so much. The instructor got me while we were cruising on the freeway.
Great video Mr owe . Funny too . very interesting.
LOL...Funny you are doing a video in this subject b/c this afternoon I was looking how to fix this problem with my wife's 2016 Subaru Crosstrex same problem..Found on the net...for Subaru SERVICE BULLETIN # 16-112-18R Ignition Key Sticking/design Change to CVT Shifted /Selector Lever Components AKA Park Range switch
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Good morning Eric. This might be a little off topic, but here goes... just wanted you to know I’m praying for you, your momma and family since your dads recent passing.
May 2020 bring many blessings. Keep looking up!
LOL, ain't that just how it always goes Eric. Like: "but it was broken yesterday I promise you, that's why I came to the shop, I don't understand why it's suddenly working now"... Or: "I ain't lying, this light didn't come on when I started it this morning, It hasn't come on all week, but now when you try it, it does...strange... What is that phenomenon? It seems everyone has experienced it. I get that stuff can have intermittent faults, but it's the timing of when they occur that's the curios bit... Good video, I liked it.
I hate when that happens also im impressed that Miss Marie wants to go to school for auto mechanics sweet keep up the good work Mr O
WOW ! Marie has graduated to using impact tools ?!!! And doing a brake job with no direct supervision ! Goodonya Marie !!
Ms Marie you rock SMA...
My 01 legacy had similar symptoms. A way to get the key out that I only found buried in the manual and nowhere online was to take the screw driver that came with the the changing kit, pop off the clamshell steering column cover, and insert into a slot on the bottom of the column. The dealer changed the lock cylinder and it worked fine from them on.
Hey Eric, most times you will see the contact resistance will vary 5 or 10 ohms. A good switch will repeatable give you 1 ohm or less when it is closed but an intermittent switch will almost always give you a higher resistance when closed.
Love seeing Miss Marie at work in the background. Still waiting to hear an update on what's new with Miss Hanna...... I was expecting some news from/about her.
Nice lacerations on your right paw. How'd we miss that mother loving job? Blood beats fire and sparks hands down.
quick mention of where you pulled wiring schematic from would be interesting.
I'll bet there's a TH-cam video on this issue.
Oh, wait...
Good video S M A ,thanks.
Thank you for this video. It could not be a more timely video. I am having the EXACT same issue with my 2014 Forester right now (no kidding, also intermittent, works sometimes, other times not). So I am eagerly awaiting your repair. I will probably order part and do myself. Also, the comment about the freeze spray is good to test if it works now does it stop working when gets cold. Freeze/Cold spray can be an excellent diagnostic aid. Also, I wondered if using caig deoxit (DN-5 or D-5 spray) would clean it and fix it instead of ordering another switch. I'd also disconnect the I suppose the question is how long it would stay fixed. if changing it out is a real PITA and I can get to the switch easily with the cleaner I might try it. I use this stuff all the time on dirty and gummy switches for electronics and it works great (many times, for years) in audio applications. Love the vehicle but this sure is an annoying problem!
The intermittent problems are always like in this video almost 80% of the time, And YES it SUCKS makes every Mechanic MAD❗Great content as always, You probably knocked all the dust out of the old switch it will only fail in about 12hrs after you don't replace anything 👍😎.🇺🇸🗽
It's the park switch inside the shifter. This is a pretty common problem. We replace these a lot here at the dealer
"The 'ole ignition key gag" When we were young & stupid, we would go to Broome-Tioga MX track (not too far from you). My buddies race transporter was an old Dodge van with a manual trans. Every time we passed a farm he would shut the ignition off in gear and turn it back on. The van backfired like a MUTHA and the cows were off and running in all directions! Can't believe one didn't crash through the fence and come right towards us.
Lol I like this guy 😂 👌!!
Great test. VW has a recall for this right now where the car wont go into park at all.
Good video, will give this a shot
Had the same problem with my daughters 2017 Chevy Malibu. There's a TSB for them. You can't just buy the switches, have to purchase the whole shifter assembly.
Thanks for your help !💯
I've seen a couple done at the dealer. looks about right =)