MVP’s IF Quarterbacks Didn’t Exist!
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JJ Watt was absolutely robbed in’14. I had never seen a D lineman play like that ever and I vaguely remember LT and Reggie White
He ain’t better than either one of them
Only reason he didn't get it is because his team didn't make the playoffs. I think what Aaron Rodgers did that year was really good, but it didn't compare to what JJ Watt did that year.
@@ibn1989 Watt is the last player from a team that didn’t make the playoffs (as well as the last defensive player) to receive an MVP vote, though there have been worse teams that had a player get an MVP vote.
@@fortynights1513 dog there's never been a team with 5 wins to get a MVP vote
@@avo4154 his prime is I would take him over both too
this is definitely one of my favorite vids you guys have done.. sadly a lot of great seasons from players that aren't quarterbacks get overlooked because the MVP is basically a QB award
And it's even rarer for a defensive player to even get a MVP vote.
@@iamhungey12345 JJ Watt is the most recent to receive any vote, in 2014.
Well QBs are still the paid the most too. Maybe lets give everyone a participation award to make you happy. QBs are important and that is why they get MVPs.
@Bob qb's wouldn't be anywhere without a O line. Without running backs, without wide receivers!
@@TheWedabest true, but they are still more important than any one individual at any of those positions.
Julio Jones is the first one that comes to mind. He was a monster that 2016 season. Couldn't even get the consolation OPOTY, Ryan scooped it up too.
Julio and Ryan were unstoppable, Julio should have gotten the award for that 300 yard game he had against the Panthers even tho Ryan threw for 500
Crazy thing is people overlook his 2015 season, when the panthers went to the super bowl. Him and Antonio brown had 1800+ receiving yards that year
It’s the lack of touchdowns
@@Goaty9116 lmao that was the year he kept getting tackled at the 1-yd line i believe 🤣
@@theunovanative7640 well there was *one* team that could stop them
The NFL needs to have a Cy Young award... just like pitchers in baseball, there should be an award for best QB of the year, separate but almost equivalent to MVP/best position player of the year.
The NFL desperately needs to acknowledge that QBs are just a totally different breed/league from any position player. The only fun the MVP has had in the last 20 years has been " _which_ QB will get it?" And if a non QB position player gets MVP, it downright almost feels disingenuous because QBs are the backbone of NFL teams, love it or hate it.
I think Aaron Donald would have honestly deserved one, he was the backbone of the rams 100 times more than Goff in the season they won the NFC
Ding ding ding ding ding - you are correct sir and they should go back and give the awards to past non - qb’s
Except, pitchers can win both the Cy Young and the MVP in the same season. It's been done many times, two semi-recent examples being Clayton Kershaw in 2014 and Justin Verlander in 2012. In fact, the existence and prestige of the Cy Young has, at times, been used to rob deserving pitchers of the MVP award. In 1999 Pedro Martinez was the obvious MVP, but a few voters completely left him off their ballot because he was a pitcher and he was just supposed to settle for the Cy Young, so he came in second in MVP despite more first place votes. The Cy Young award and Hank Aaron award in MLB are already equivalents to the Offensive and Defensive players of the year in the NFL. In all of those cases, a player can win one of those awards and then also MVP. If you want to compare to another, the NHL with its wide variety of different awards would be a better template to emulate for the NFL. They've got specific awards for several positions as well as for statistical leaders in different categories.
@@Il_Exile_lI agreed
And we call it the Tom Brady award
When JJ Watt didn’t win it in 2014, I knew this would be a quarterback award until the end of time
On God!! I was like there no hope for anyone
Imagine LT only winning 1 time?? ..
Throw on the Tapes of Alan Page in 1970-71... They'll scare you. That guy really was MVP. In a single game against Detroit, he Blocked a field goal, scored a safety, caused a fumble that he then recovered and flipped to J. Marshal for a TD, batted down several passes, and recorded multiple sacks.
I honestly think Alan might have been better, relative to his era, than JJ Watt in 2014 was. Both all time Studs though. And both years for Alan Page have him at 22+ Sacs as well!
The same JJ watt that didn’t make the playoffs? What a casual
And Kupp not winning in '21 🙁
Very interesting video
Agreed. Soon as I read the title I was sold.
@@jeffreybomber4251 same
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MVQ most valuable quarterback
They should make a separate award for qbs at this point
I am convinced that to this day, if Priest Holmes won either the 2002 or 2003 MVP, he would be in the Hall of Fame
Meh. I love Priest Holmes a lot but I'm not super convinced he had the raw stat total at the end of the day. I don't think the HoF cares THAT much about MVPs and awards, maybe a little bit, but I think if Holmes led his team to a Super Bowl win or 2 then he'd be way more likely to be in off of those than MVPs.
@@unlimitedpower978 The Terrell Davis, as I like to call it. Post 1998, his career was injury plagued, but from 95-98, he was elite and the Super Bowls helped a lot. Earl Campbell was another case that had a shortened career and got in without a Super Bowl, but the stuff he did the first 3 years of his career was so insane. He gained 5000 yards rushing in those 3 years, even Jim Brown or Walter Payton didn't do that, partially because he was the entire Oilers offense at the time. So you need to have been a major contributor to a Super Bowl and/or historically dominant to get in off a shortened career. Priest was a contributor to the Ravens Super Bowl title, but there was a reason they let him walk to KC and his name was Jamal Lewis.
@@unlimitedpower978 If MVP’s got you over the hump, then Shaun Alexander would have gotten more consideration.
@@fortynights1513 Both Holmes and Alexander had all timers on the offensive line.
@@KTF0TD had Gary Zimmerman and Tom Nalen.
How are we gonna just skip over the last non QB to win the MVP in 2012? I know the video is about if there was no QB winning MVP, but you gotta pay respects to AP being the last one to win MVP as a non-QB.
Meh, I don't care about "paying respect" but I do think the video would have been better if it had the year labeled somewhere on the screen it was talking about and mentioned non-QB MVPs. Would have made the video longer but tbh I don't think it would have been a problem. It seems they mostly just skipped the years where QBs didn't win.
I’ll be real Calvin deserves a mention too
@@chefjake7531 cant forget shaun alexander
That MVP should've been Watt's anyway
I was confused why he wasn't on there also
Ed Reed was unbelievable
“Let’s just wipe out Peyton’s Decade, things will go a lot faster”. CLASSIC!!
JJ not straight up winning it in 2014 is still fucking criminal nearly a decade later.
It is the #2 outrage of all time to me.. the #1 is Jerry Rice in 1987. I mean come on! 22 TD in a 12 game season???
He didn’t even make the Playoffs. Please stfu and stop talking as if you know football
if JJ Watt doesn't win it, nobody else will. For 14 and 15 seasons the dude was unstoppable.
I feel like you have to give it Cam in 15, Watt Def should have had it in 14 though
Cam was obvious mvp in 2015 and Rodgers was so much better than watt in 2014
@@blakewilliams8148a man who didn’t even make the playoffs deserves mvp? If Brady had the same stats as Rodgers y’all would’ve called it a deserved mvp. You guys just biased asf
@JackycakesV2 Wins aren't defensive end stat lol
@@blakewilliams8148 how can you be the most valuable if you don’t even make the playoffs lmao.
MVP shouldn’t just be a QB award
MVP = Most Valuable Player
Which is the the most valuable position in football? Quarterback so stop whining
It’s not
@@JackycakesV2 for all intents and purposes it is
@@joezxcSo just because quarterback is the most valuable position, that automatically means they have to win it every year? Pretty stupid and collapsible argument. Other positions have way better seasons than some QBs who have won it recently, and have done more for their team than their QB did, but were overlooked because of their position. Just because you’re not a QB doesn’t mean you can’t be the most valuable position on your team or in the league.
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Yes sir
MVP is basically a fancy way of saying "QB of the year" now. Although I will say that Hurts deserves it this year. I think that Kupp should have been 2021 MVP, not Rodgers
Why do you think hurts deserves it this year?
I think it's Mahomes
If hurts had at least 30 TDs I'd give it to him
No disrespect.
I have this stance because people compare it to Cam's '15 season.
I'm rooting for JH to win the SB though
Bro wtf Hurts didn't even do that much this year. Mahomes has twice as many touchdowns and like 1500 more passing yards lol he's the MVP. I'm a Patriots fan too btw. I am rooting for Philly in the super bowl tho definitely.
@@_SayitAintSo I can totally see that, and I think it's close, but Hurts only lost once, and the Eagles are 0-2 without him. I know it's only 1 drive, but when Mahomes went down Henne took the Chiefs 98 yards for a score. I think if you're looking at value, it's Hurts. Hurts is also a super tough runner.
@@mattanfirouztala6822 I can understand that.
They should have a separate MVP for Quaterbacks and everyone else. Like the Cy Young in baseball. Then either the Offensive or Defensive Player of the Year will win MVP.
The Tom Brady award for QBs?
And QBs can win both best QB and general offensive player of the year award but they will need to put absolute league-leading stats across the board a la 2011 Justin Verlander and 2014 Clayton Kershaw
Pretty sure thats what offensive and defensive player of the year is. I don't like how QBs can win those awards tho, but I don't see it necessary to add another MVP award
@@kimyona9746 Regular season award, Peyton Manning or Aaron Rogers award makes more sense than Brady (both have more than him).
They should definitely do this as a real award. Its a good indicator of football history on how dominant non QB players are. Especially when you see Marshall Faulk winning it several times, JJ Watt's dominance etc. Plus it'll help on HOF status on several players.
Marshall from 99-01 is crazy and the fact that he was actually close to doing it is even crazier with 3 OPOY and 1 MVP
Love the video. No mention of Reggie White’s incredible 1987 season, highlighted by his 21 sacks in 12 games???
It certainly deserves mention. The question though is what’s more impressive:
21 sacks in 12 games, or 23 touchdowns in 12 games?
21 in 12 is DIFFERENT. Reggie was that guy.
jamaal charles and shady 😭 top tier fr
I literally have been thinking about this over the past few days, haha! It's a very fun thought experiment. It'll be great to see a non-QB win the MVP again someday.
The NFL should create a separate trophy for the qb. The MVP should go to players who earned it, not just because they are the qb!
@@TheWedabest That part!!
@@TheWedabestQBs are the most valuable position by far tho, that’s just nfl football
@LegendOfKhaos12 it's not as valuable as people assume it is! How is qb without a really good o line? Good rb, wr and etc.
JJ Watt’s 2014 season is arguably the greatest season ever by a defensive player. 20.5 sacks, 29 tackles for loss, interceptions, forced fumbles, defensive touchdowns and 3 touchdowns on offense!! Crazy
just found it weird that a QB just having a good season can overshadow another position having a LEGENDARY season. there needs to be a seperate MVP award
100% accurate, exactly!
The Rams with 6 MVPs in 20 years despite sucking 10 of those years would've been crazy
Guess that's why QBs always win MVP...
I appreciate your honoring players on both sides of the ball. This sure brought back memories....
Can’t believe Adrian Peterson was not mentioned other than an honorable mention in 2008..
Antonio Brown needs to be on this list. Pick a year. I know what he’s become but it doesn’t take away what he was.
yeah, or at the very least mention him. he really was on another level for a few seasons
@@Rufal exactly. It’s like he’s been erased from history. He has a 6 year period where he is basically unmatched in his achievements. I just don’t like that it seems to be forgotten because he became a hot mess.
Yeah, at least some votes would be deserved for him
Still waiting for the Marshall Faulk legends highlight
Peyton Manning winning 4 MVP’s in 5 seasons in just insane 🤯
I mean the 2009-2010 season should’ve went to Drew Brees I believe.
His 2003 season saw him throw 29 touchdowns which somehow is more impressive than Holmes' 27 rushing touchdown. Then there was Kurt Warner who put up better numbers in 2008 with a team who basically never tasted success before him, and in 2009, both Drew Brees and Brett Farve arguably had better overall seasons than Peyton. As good as Peyton was, only 2 of his MVPs were 100% deserved while the other 3 are easily questionable
And he nothing to show for it.
Just do the math to prove who the MVP's are...take away that player from that team and where do they end up? I recall when the Ravens won their 1st SB in 2000, there's no way it would've gone to anybody on that offense...take away #52 and the greatest defense ever has no field general
@@keithfloydjr4014 well take #18 away from Colts and they don’t have the most winningest decade in the NFL
Lately, I've been saying they should just give out awards to the best at every position.
absolutely awesome vid! and i just gotta say it… i love the dang voice-man so much. everytime i watch an nfl vid that he narrates i know its gonna be awesome. much love to NFL throwback!
Emmett smith was great, but look at those massive holes he ran through. That o-line (with Larry Allen who could have been on this list) was all time great.
They should make QB MVP it’s own award.
This was honestly really cool! Quarterbacks really do get way more love than any other position and with a list like this I have learned about a lot of great players who played other positions. I mean yes of course I've heard of Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice and of course Emmitt Smith and Lawrence Taylor, but it's really cool to see all these other great players at a variety of other positions get such recognition. Really interesting to see that the gronk is the only tight end on here.
I still love that Mark Moseley won mvp as kicker. I don't think that will ever happen again.
Now do Heisman Winners if QBs and RBs didn’t exist
I know it’s not NFL but it’s something I really wanna see…
Rice should've unanimously won League MVP in 1987!
NFL should definitely have a "Non-QB MVP award," since so many players deserve it, yet if any QB stands out they automatically win it, which isn't fair to all other positions
Exactly. I think issuing the current MVP award should now be done as follows; have a Most Valuable Quarterback Award (MVQB), as well as have a Most Valuable Player award (MVP) that would subsequently be issued to only positions that are not quarterbacks. This would make other positions a lot more competitive for the award, as this would eliminate a quarterbacks natural advantage because of the positions perception
Think back to the fact that LT was the first defensive player to win MVP in 1986, and for the most part, it’s only given to nobody but offensive players, particularly the Quarterback
Alan Page 1971??
@@aramnishanian4404 Alan Page is even more impressive considering he was an interior lineman
@@ligmaemperor7064 Alan page didn’t change the game
AB should’ve been given a nod for 2014-2016. That was a dominant 3 year stretch. He had such a great 2017 too and was on an MVP pace with his numbers and memorable catches, but he missed the last 3 regular season games that year. He and Went both getting hurt gifted Brady the MVP that year.
Exactly what I thought
he never gets apprexiated and thats not fair , that man was unplayable in his day
I do think QBs should have their own award. Rename MVP something else. Give other players the spotlight.
They didn’t mention the 06 season because Ladanian Tomlinson was the MVP and it wasn’t close that year. As the mentioned 1/15 non QB MVPs, LT surpassed Shaun Alexander’s 05 season marks. Short lived records. LT was HIM
In all honesty Derrick Henry should of been the MVP rushing for 2000 yards. That doesn’t come around too often. Also did it in a heavy pass first era so that adds to the greatness of that achievement. That season to me you can legitimately say the QBs are favored more than any other position. Not knocking Rodgers but Henry played way better that year
I agree with a lot the comments about giving out separate awards for the QB. Or just hand out an award for each position. QB, DB, D-line, O-line, RB, WR, LB, and Special Team. Total of 8 awards.
They kinda have that with All-Pro.
Hearing some of these stats lines of the winners vs who should of won just proves my point we just need to give QBs their own award so the true mvp of each season can be picked.
I wish they did a QB of the year award at this point. It can be regarded as an MVP trophy for historical purposes, but makes at least one other position matter.
This video kinda needed text somewhere on the screen to show what year is being talked about because it seemed to blend too much between years and it was easy to lose track
The media needs to realize we can give qb’s the offensive player of the year award too sometimes i do think other players have deserved it
Tom Brady QB of the year, Barry Sanders RB of the year, Jerry Rice WR of the year, Tony Gonzalez TE of the year, Orlando Pace O Lineman of the year, Aaron Donald D Lineman of the year, Lawrence Taylor OLB of the year, Ray Lewis ILB of the year, Deion Sanders CB of the year, Ed Reed FS of the year, Troy Polomalu SS of the year, Adam Vinetarri K of the year awards would fix the QBs always winning MVP issue.
I honestly don't even care about the MVP anymore because it goes to a QB every year!!
Good concept, thanks for making. There should be an MVQ since they usually win it, and then an MVP, kinda like how there's OPOY. Qb wins it every year, so might as well just have an award for them and then one for every other position so non QBs have a chance
this is one of my favorite videos from you guys and the mvp award is a QB award
Amazing video Keep em' coming
Great list. NFL should take notice.
JJ Watt in 2014 was the most dominant season of all time
Hands down
The three best RBs I've ever watched was Barry, ED and Earl. Should have been more than half a dozen MVPs between them.
And thanks for mentioning the best all-around LB ever, Derrick Brooks.
Yes Derrick Brooks should gave won MVP in 2002 agree also Earl could have won 3 MVPs his first 3 years that's how good he was
I'm not from the U.S. but I'vee been a football fan since I was a kid and I'm 40+... What strikes me the most is how many unsung heroes plays and played the NFL. The big guys especially seem to receive the worst treatment. To the QB and goal-line breakers the glory, but even über-talented QBs and pass catchers are nothing without the wall of toughness that is the foundation of every play. Even recent examples have shown us how HoF caliber QBs can get overwhelmed without good protection...
yeah its very disappointing since we have loads of examples of decent or even outright bad QBs making it to superbowls thanks to great lines, recently the 2017 Eagles with Wentz and Foles come to mind, they had 3 all pros on the line in Kelce, Brooks, and Peters, Kelce being a lock for Canton and Peters probably has a pretty good shot himself
the issue is that quantifying a lineman's value is really hard, same goes for great linebackers and corners for that matter but its by far the worst for offensive linemen
Love this comment! I played on the O-line for some years so it's always bothered me how they're basically ignored unless they do something wrong. I remember arguing back at my QB one day and telling him that he needed to me block so why was he talking trash.
I know AB is a nut job nowadays but he definitely deserves to be on this list. He was a monster for Pittsburgh pre loonacy
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Man this video just makes me wanna go track down all these amazing backs jerseys to own
JJ Watt playing TE is wild 😂
In my opinion, the 70s was the greatest era in NFL history and the RB was one of, if not THE, most important position in the game and oh how I miss those days of hard-hitting, super competitive smashmouth football!
The early to mid-90s was a great period as well but since then I think the game has just been much like the NBA, yeah, far too easy to score and put up massive offensive stats as the defenses literally are handcuffed. This makes the stats and players from yesteryear suffer.
If you have a solid O-line and a damn good defense and a great running back that is all you really need, so long as you run the ball consistently in the first half regardless of success.
By doing this you are using the clock, keeping your defense fresh and bringing the opponents DB's and LB's one step closer to the line and that will set up the play action pass and you can do that with just an average QB and WR corp.
If you think that smashmouth is boring, go watch some of the full-length games from 1977 (seem to be quite a few from that season on here and with good copies) and tell me that isn't great football that is as good as it gets.
More like this please!
I like this idea for a video. Good one
It's amazing how all these feats of greatness get tossed aside because of quarterbacks. There should just be a top quarterback award and an MVP award.
JJ Watt in 2014 deserved MVP...Idc what Rodgers did, that was crazy stuff
QBs would still be factored in MVP candidacy.
@@iamhungey12345In this case, I believe he means it (quarterback position) would not be factored in MVP award, but rather QB of the year award
@@TheJusticefornone If so then he goofed on his wording.
A quarterback is going to win MVP most of the time because it's the most valuable position to play by default, this is why OPOTY and DPOTY awards exist.
Yeah, but there is a notorious advantage for them when voting for MVP award, hence the conversation for multiple MVPs
More touchdowns than nasa is the coldest line I’ve ever heard
Great video…Is it possible to dig up footage from Deacon Jones and see how many sacks he had? That would be something different 🤷🏻♂️
if sacks were recorded when he played then he would have had 173.5 thru his career, which would make him 3rd all time
In todays league its hard to have a bigger impact than the quarterback.
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The MVP is definitely a quarterback award. You only need TWO qualifications to be an MVP in the NFL.
1. Play the Quarterback position
2. Your team must finish with either the #1 or #2 seed in the standings
You should do Super Bowl MVP snubs
They skipped years where non QBs ACTUALLY won, but I would've liked to have seen them mentioned before moving on
Amazing that we actually had a time when the MVP was not always a QB! It's a QB league now though those days are over
I'm surpirsed Lawrence Taylor wasn't even mentioned at all during the 80's let alone not winning mulitiple of these years.
Bruh I'm about to turn 27 soon. Seems old now that i right it down. But I use to watch nfl network nfl film all day ever day. And hearing so many of these names earl Campbell, Allen page, A lot of others. Forgetting some through the years. Man how could I?!
After watching Randy Moss Career I was like ok.. he was better than Jerry... was already decided before I even got put of high school... after remembering Jerry Rice had 21 TDs! In 12 Games!! Man I'm remembering why I wanted to be Jerry Rice growing up.. Wow. . Thank yall
Ray Lewis deserved a mention for 2000 and 2003
MVP is really just a Quarterback award lol
Great video!
Jerry Rice makes you think that when he started to set all time records, it was 1995... he still had 8 full seasons left plus 2004
Really cool video idea
While the QBs are just undeniably the most important and valuable position on the field by far, there should be another award, like an mvp that’s non QB
100 percent. To prevent it from being overvalued
Good video concept
This vid just makes me mad😭 so many deserved MVP winners
I’m pissed that aaron rodgers won 2021 mvp cooper Krupp does deserve it. It do not forget Brady who threw for 43 touchdowns and 5000 passing yards so it gets me confuse why the hell aaron got mvp 😒
I think there should be an MVP award and Best Player of the Year award.
I got a few I know before the Video even starts
1987 -- Jerry Rice.. 22 TD in 12 games played.
2010's -- the year that Calvin Johnson nearly got 2000 yards Receiving.
2014 - J.J. Watt -- DE Houston Texans.. lost a close one to Aaron Rodgers.
2022 -- Justin Jefferson -- Wide Receiver Minnesota Vikings
20 Barry Sanders 🐐
28 Marshall Faulk
Are My All Time Favorite Football Players
Love Those 2 Dudes
As a kid and still do @ 43yo
So Much Flavor & Smoothness 🏈
Look at ol' Shay Sharpe blocking for Jamal Lewis at 11:40.
Great video
Cooper Kupp wouldn’t have won MVP if QBs didn’t exist, he wouldn’t have had anyone to throw him the ball
Proverbs 11:18
The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward.
Emitt barely got touched l, that line was something else
How about when Adrian Peterson almost got the all time single season rush record
He actually did win MVP that year, back in 2012
You can only give out Walter Payton awards for so long.
The NFL needs to have a separate award for Quarterbacks like the MLB with the cy young award.
honestly in 2010 clay matthews was just as deserving of dpoy as polamalu. he was exceptional in the playoffs, making the biggest play in the superbowl forcing mendenhall to fumble. polamalu hurt his achilles late in the regular season and was still affected by it in the playoffs.
that play he made against flacco in week 13 was incredible though. essentially helped the steelers even make it to the super bowl in the first place. that won them the game, division and ultimately home field advantage in the playoffs
DPOY and other awards don't consider the postseason. They're regular-season only.
@@gbrow1604Yeah I know its regular season only, but anyone who has won a mvp or dpoy would have traded it in for a ring.
trust me, im a steelers fan. I would have 100% not minded if the roles were reversed and matthews got dpoy and troy got the ring
@@dr00andrew I know but it sounded like you were saying that Clay Matthews' playoff performance should have factored into him getting DPOY.
@@gbrow1604 In my honest opinion, I feel as if postseason performance puts a stamp on it.
An "mvp"'s impact should be felt in the playoffs. I would put playoff performance as a tie breaker if needed. in 2020 Rodgers may have had better regular season stats, but brady took a previously .500 team to a super bowl win because of his impact. Thats pretty valuable in my book
@@dr00andrew It's about what we think, that's just how the awards work. They're voted on before the playoffs even start.
awesome vid
Watt should have been MVP in 2014. Just like in 2021, Rodgers stole an MVP from a more deserving player.