@@LoveMTBI just have upgraded my ebike from Alvio to Cues 9 speed (full cues package). Shifting is awesome but i'm not happy with the rear derailleur! (Need clutch for chain retention) Do you know if the Shimano CUES U6000 rear derailleur works with cues 9 speed?
I purchased the complete Cues U8000 1x11 Groupset after watching your previous videos. I’ve done about 250 miles on it now and I’m very happy with it. Great video as always 🤙
@@reazmohammed999 Almost no drawbacks. This is my first MTB groupset I’ve owned, I’ve only ever had road bike groupsets so I can only compare with them. I wish the derailleur didn’t have a clutch, as it’s not needed for my commuter bike that will never go off road. A lot of reviews say that the U8000 derailleur is slow at shifting, I disagree. I had my groupset fitted by a professional mechanic and after 4-5 weeks of bedding in and cable stretch, it shifts as good as Ultegra R8000 Road groupsets without doubt. The only other slight negative is its a slightly more noisy than my road groupsets, I assume it’s the fact that the Link Glide chain is wider than Hyper Glide chains. Apart from that, really happy how robust and solid the U8000 groupset is, it feels as if it will last decades, hope this helps.
Wow! You saved me! I was going to just switch the cassette and crank set but now your video has convinced me to just go with the whole CUES setup! Thanks!
For my heavy overland packing bike 170kg (no e-bike),im on U6000-10 11-48t and 32T,it's a dream,It's simple and on a waxed chain perfect for chilled week long rides from town to town.❤ from Germany;)
So close! With RD-M5100 and CUES cassette, use SL-M4100-IR which pulls more cable! I use CS-LG300-9 11-41 for narrower chainline, as well as CS-LG400-10 11-48. CS-LG700-11 for alu spider. Is only first gear on Deore 11 thicker? Rest should be 1.6mm. A feeler gauge will show this without disassembly. Thank you for your platform and these videos which include details that are missing from marketing info. Drivetrain durability is a huge issue for MTB.
i'm not a fan of mixing and matching, but i always asked myself if it was worth the work and money to replace shifter and deraileur. Thanks to you i now know the answer. Thanks man!
I did nine different tests between these two platforms three months ago . A deeper exploration than you covered . I also ran the Connex 11s0 chains in two later tests . We had a few sets and conducted a group ride to get outcomes more quickly . Four findings per riding session .
Thanks for all the work that went into this video! Personally rocking a M5100 cassette and derailleur with XT shifter and chain (better surface coating than the SLX/105 chain) along with a SLX crank.
Witam W kwestii CUES 11S pracuje dobrze, i przy okazji montażu całej grupy wyszło szydło z worka. Okazuje się że kasety 11S i 10S mają tej samej grubości zebąteki i podobne odstępy między nimi, dlatego kaseta 11S jest ciut szersza od innych grup Shimano i nie tylko. Cues 10S i 11S pracują na łańcuchu 10S. Jedenastka na standartowym łańcuchu 11S ma problemy z normalną pracą prxy zmianie biegów w obu kierunkach. Po założeniu łańcucha 10S (konkretnie KMC 10EL) pracuje dobrze ale i tak kupię orginalny Linkglide żeby ocenić jak ten uklad pracuje (i przy okazji pomierzę szerokości łańcuchów dla porównania). Pozdrawiam gorąco.
I’m using the CUES 10 speed cassette with a Deore 10 speed (rd-4120) rear derailleur and Deore shifter (10 speed ‘dynasys’). And I’m using an 11 speed SRAM chain. Evidently, I didn’t have to do a lot of fiddling and tweaking to get it to work well.
I put cues 10x on my winter commute bike, it's been pretty solid. I definitely feel like it's missing a couple cogs.. "too hard... shift... ugh too easy " I also put an 11x cues on an old 26" downhill setup I am working on, it worked fine before I decided to disassemble my fork 😂
I use a Deore RD-M5130-GS derailleur with XT SL-M8130-R11 shifter, CS-LG400-10 cassette and CN-LG500 chain to create a frankenstein 10-speed LinkGlide setup with the crisp shifter in of the XT shifter. Works flawlessly!
That's a shame with the 5100 derailleur and linkglide casette as it would have been the option I would have chosen for cassette replacement. Thanks for doing that.
I did exactly the same tests. Came to the same conclusions. What I found most interesting, was to start hot waxing my chain, to increase component life span. 2600 miles this year and still same components with no measurable wear. Amazing.
Yup, you an see the chain still full of wax in my installation video. Caveat: wax does not protect the chain that well in winter, you can't see that well in this vide but my LG chain already hs rust spots on it 🤔🤔
@@LoveMTB speaking of chains, i live near the coast an my deore chains develop rust even waxing, i was thinking on getting an XT chain next time, do you think It would be more resistant to corrosion? Thanks!
@@LoveMTB thanks, I think I will let It rust then lol, its just cosmetic, but I like the looks of a clean drivetrain, but for my case I don't think it's worth the extra money.
Just yesterday I put the M5130 linkglide drivetrain on my emtb replacing a 9 speed alivio. I don’t know how the deore is different from the cues, it seems well made and works well. Waiting for the snow to clear so I can give it a try on the trails.
Let me explain a little. All cues system is based on the Shimano 10 speed HG system. The distance between the centers of the stars of cassettes cues 9, 10, 11 is the same as on a 10-speed hg. The choice of shifter was initially wrong. In addition to cues, only the m4100, m6000, m780 shifter will work on cues casste. m5100 don't work
Ordered upgrades for my Mongoose Switchback Sport 2019 with Shimano Cues U6000 goupset (6 pcs 10-speed), along with Shimano's MT200 hydraulic brakes set (F+R) and SR Suntour XCR32 RLR Air suspension fork. Hoping with these upgrades I am good for another 3+ years. I am not at extreme ends, rather cross country with some mounting. All these upgrades cost me less than USD350 + another ~USD75 or so for service.
The easiest hack to compare cassette spacing is just face them down both in a flat surface, side by side with smaller cogs facing down without lockring. You can tell outright if they are identical.
The clunking is tolerable, as long as it lands dead center on each cog when shifting to the smaller cogs. Speed of the shift and centering that does not require feathering apart from the initial fine tuning would be the important factors for me. When I watch your videos, I am confident that I will always see an unbiased and thoughtful analyse of parts. Thank you.
С прошлого лета езжу на кассете lg400-11, шифтере u6000 и переключателе m6100. Всё работает отлично. Сначала пытался установить только кассету, шифтер стоял m8000 - результат был аналогичен вашему. Пришлось докупить шифтер u6000. Один из мтб-видеоблоггеров в моей стране проводил такой тест: он пытался поцарапать малую звезду кассеты m5100 малой звездой cues, потом наоборот. Судя по этому тесту, у кассеты cues более твёрдый металл.
Я правильно тебя понял, что с кассетой CUES надо обязательно задний переключатель тоже CUES, а манетка можно оставить 8000 хт??? Вес конечно почти в 2 раза самой кассеты от хт ….
Hey 👋 good video. The sun race cassette doesn’t work either. I have the short cage link glide rear mech stretched out on a 11-48 cassette. Works fine. Sram chains work fine on it too
Excelente canal saludos desde boyaca , Colombia estoy usando el grupo deore de 10 velocidades con cadena kmc y tensor o cambio cues de 10 velocidades y funciona muy bien es muy suave el cambio de marchas
Another really interesting video! I've not really seen Cues "out in the wild" so far, only on AliExpress. Have been tempted by the 9 speed varient for my retro, but not pulled the trigger yet. I do have a bit of a hybrid set up on a recent Marino hardtail build that's working really well though. Microshift Advent X G104 11-48 10 speed cassette (420g!) and Advent X shifter, but with the Deore M5100 derailleur! It have proven to be a really low cost, light weight and robust solution so far. Btw, I am waiting in anticipation for your next ZTTO wheel update 👀
@@LoveMTB The DDR390 wheelset you posted a video on last month? That's a shame. Was looking forward to your thoughts on them. They look really solid for the money
Very informative! I don't think I'm going CUES after this but will likely have to go XT or SLX given my M5100 setup (Derailleur and shifter). Currently using a XT 11-46 11-speed cassette. It works like a dream with M5100.
They are both good choices. Shimano 12 speed needs micro spline freehub and you can reuse your M5100 shifter. CUES installs on the freehub you use now and it could be cheaper. I would personally go with first choice but make sure you use a Shimano chain
@@LoveMTB I'm using a KMC EL 11-speed chain with an Ali Racing 34T chainring. It's sort of a midrange setup that I"ve got running with some high end stuff. Durability is a big thing for me.
This is a great video topic! I'm sure many of us wondered if Shimano's 11 speed group sets were exchangeable. It's hard enough trying to find information through google and what not since googles search algorithms are absolute crud now. So this video definitely helps out. Do you mind going over Cues 2X systems, especially testing out the 2 by with the 50 tooth cassette? I think that might be quite helpful.
Kaseta 10s 11~48t CUES z przerzutką i manetką deore m4100 da się tak ustawić że w miarę płynnie pracuje ,praca z szybszych na wolniejsze biegi bez problemu. Z wolniejszych na szybsze niestety z odczuwalnym opóźnieniem, chyba nawet dłuższym niż Shimano przewidziało, Ale do przeżycia. Testy na ramie GT Agresor w rowerze Córki. Córka jest bardzo zadowolona ze zmiany napędu. Z przodu zębatka owalna 36t, koła 26" x 2,25". Ja osobiście uważam że kaseta jest super i sprawuje się naprawdę dobrze.Gorszy problem je z 11~50 11S. I tego bez zmiany na pełny CUES nie da się sensownie ustawić, choć poświeciłem około pięciu godzin na dostrojenie. Pozdrawiam
cześć, ja mam przerzutkę rd-m4120 deore hyperglide 10s, manetka sl-m6000 deore 10s. Też myślę o włożeniu kasety cuesa 10s. chyba podobnie jak u ciebie. sądzisz , że zadziała?
@@ukaszszydlik2579 Myślę że tak. Powiem szczerze że u Córki chyba właśnie mam tą 4120. Po prostu nie pamiętam. Troszkę będziesz miał zabawy na początki z dostrojeniem, ale jak już załapie to hula jak zła. Trzeba ją tylko dobrze ustawić do pierwszej zębatki (48t} tak żeby na dwójce kółko prowadzące łańcuch było z centymetr poniżej jedynki to daje lepszą zmianę z dwójki na jedynkę bez przycierania ľańcuchem o zębatkę. Jak będziesz potrzebował jakiejś porady to pisz. Pozdrawiam gorąco.
@@marcinjangoasiewicz5284 Dzieki za odpowiedź. szkoda, że Shimano nie udostępnia wymiarów swoich kaset, można by było porównać szerokości i odstępy między blatami. Wychodzi , że te dziesiątki są jednak podobne wymiarowo w takim razie. Na pewno włożę tego cuesa i sprawdzę
I have tried the following items with the Linkglide system: RD-M5130 GS, SL-M5130, CS-LG600-10 did not work smoothly enough for me. I also checked RD-M8000 SGS, still the same. I also tried Ltwoo A10 SGS and it ran smoother than Shimano :)
There's a simple scratch test. Try scratching CUES cassette with Deore and vice versa. If CUES has harder metal, it should have no problem scratching deore.
@@LoveMTB I did that already. And cues scrathes deore easily. So its not all marketing. Also shifting under pedaling is way smoother on cues. And apparently there's a cues cassette with aluminium spider. Called CS-LG700. It should weight about the same as Deore.
Thanks for confirming that the M5100 cassette, paired with a M8000 shifter, and either a M5100, M7100, or M8100 derailleur is the way to go. (For me, at least.) And I won't even consider CUES, due to the weight, cheaper quality, and greater cost.
@@LoveMTB I do like the sealed bearing jockey wheels on the M8100 derailleur, though. So much, in fact that I usually retrofit new M5100's with the XT jockey wheels. Smoother with less lateral play.
@@LoveMTB Thanks a ton for doing all this testing. Just to confirm above... you are saying the M5100 derailleur is on par with the 6-7-8100 derailleurs? Optimal cost setup for Linkglide 11spd would be M5100 cassette, M8000 shifter, M5100 derailleur?
@@LoveMTB Yup, three of my Specialized builds are M5100 cassettes and derailleurs paired with M8000 XT shifters. Flawless performance and bombproof reliability.
I just put the linkglide 10 spd cassette 11 48 on my bike today i,m running it as a 9 spd minus the 11 t must use 12 t lock ring and some spacers its a bit of a frankinstien ha ha. 9 spd xtr shifter 9spd xt mid cage deraileur sram 11 pd chain and a custom der hanger 15mm longer and 5mm behind axle and it works perfect it down shifts under load really smoothly but the delay in up shifts is noticeable comming from hg500 cassette so for winning sprints its a tiny bit slower. I,m not an e biker but do put out serious torq have stripped a few rear hubs and do lots and lots km all single track lots of tech climbing. The quality is not super high and sure the cassette may last longer but the chain probly wont having narrower side plates it has to wear quicker than 9spd time will tell . Thanks for you info .
I was waiting for this video! I was just eyeing how incredibly cheap m5100/6100 components are on AliExpress and was wondering whether it was worth going for CUES. I can see it's not for me because I currently have 4 bikes all using m5100/6100 rear mech in different configurations (10,11,12 speeds) plus one still running an m7000. All work very well using a range of cassettes (from generic chinese to sunrace to 7100) when paired with the correct shifter. And all the while having to keep only one model of spare mech on hand that will work for all of them, that can be had for about 30 USD. I already have 3 spares in storage but the temptation to get another is high 😂.
SL-M4100-IR (10 speed DYNA-SYS with EV mount, easy swap) works on CS-LG400-10 11-48 or CS-LG300-9 11-41 with RD-M5100 rear. RD-M5100 has a higher ratio, SL-M4100 has more pull. Together they get close enough to cues, it works well for me.
You've got to switch to a LINKGLIDE chain to boot!!! (CN-LG500-11 for 10/11-spd and CN-LG500-11 for 10 or 11-spd) and then retest the M5100-11 setup on the CUES U6100 cassette (CS-LG600-11) again. You mistakenly call in U6000...whereas the U6000 is the 10-speed cassette in this same series. Btw I recent replaced a worn out cassette on my older 2012 model Opus Sequence cross/commuter bike with a 9-speed Road-style Shimano drivetrain, the 3000 series SORA rear-derailleur (RD-R3000-SS), with older dropbar brifters (ST-R3000) with a too tight 11-25T grouping cassette (SORA CS-HG50). When the life finally gave out and it was skipping on the old chain paired with OEM cassette I finally replaced it with an upgrade to CUES! The wider range 9-speed CUES/Linkglide Cassette 11-36T (CUES U4000, CS-LG400-9) + Chain (LINKGLIDE CN-E6070-9) seem to operate quite well with the old rear derailleur and brifters. I did have to add the Wolf-Tooth Road-link to provide enough clearance to the derailleur to climb above it's max designed 32T limit to reach 11-36T (on the CS-LG400-9) because I had the short cage SS version and not the longer GS version. I think the SORA rear derailleur will stretch to 34T if the B-tension screw is long enough...but no more on it's own. This new U4000 cassette is also available as 11-41T & 11-46T. The smaller cogs are all: 11-13-15-17-20T on the CUES...which is different from SORA's bottom-end: 11-12-13-15-17-19T... but on my commute I will not miss those incremental gears and certainly enjoy the bigger range on the hills with a panier sack! -cheers
First, thank you very much for the video, finally someone mixing the components, I have an m5100 and when I need to change something I think about this compatibility... Second, at the end of the video you talked about the chain, why didn't you change the chain along with the k7? Isn't Shimano's magic in the K7 and chain set?
I am using m5130rd and Shimano zee shifter with chinese 11-42 10s and it works really well, it seems that only shifters are linkglide specific. But i would love to see measurments of cog spscing in linkglide cassete vs hyperglide.
Presumably if the non Cues cassette works perfectly with the otherwise Cues setup, it'll work the other way. ie. if you have an otherwise HG drivetrain you could use a Linkglide 11 speed cassette without issues if longevity and smoothness were your priority over shift speed and weight. In other words the cassettes are interchangeable. Changing the pull ratio was completely unnecessary and a cynical move if you ask me ... making things incompatible because you can rather than because you need to, but at least 11 speed Cues and 11 speed HG seem to share the same cog pitch.
Thank you very much for the information! Additionally, I would like to ask you, is it possible to use generic parts like as sunrace cassettes in the u6000 11s groupset?
i think next time you should also mention what model of XT 11 speed you are referring to since the previous XT (M8000) uses Hyper glide as far as i know... cheers mate.
So for the front Cues 1x chainring I need the 40T but they are available only in 110bcd.. The 32 is too little for me and now I need a new cranks since the 32 is 96bcd? I Really found your 5 videos helpful but couldn't get the front chainrings options
So as of today we have 3 systems. Shimano at it's finest to make things harder. Quite frankly I'm happy I switched to SRAM cause my life got simpler. 1. Shimano ESSA - (cheap 1x8 released ytd) - old 1:2 SIS 2. Dyna-Sys - HG+ drivetrain 12speed and legacy 10/11spd 1:1 3. Cues - something close to 1:1 but not exactly. They did what sram f..d up with their 10spd drivetrains. Shimano does not innovate anymore, all they do is to take care for their patents and they catch up SRAM when forced.
Hello, do you know, how good it will work, if only casette and shifter for CUES version be changed? I mean, without changing a rear deraileur (I have SLX M7100 12 speed). Thanks.
Halo saya dari indonesia, saya pengguna u4000 9speed, saat ini sprocket masih 11-36. Saya ingin ganti dengan sprocket cues cs lg300 11-46 9speed , apakah compatible?? Terimakasih atas jawabannya...
Have you tries the Linkglide system but with a Hyperglide Derailleur, I was thinking of going LinkGlide but have a good SLX 12 speed derailleur currently, so short term at least would be good if i could keep that
Does enybody understand what Cues cranks "Only compatible with LINKGLIDE shifting system" on the Shimano website means? Because at the same time in characteristics, they are saying that it is also compatible with HG 11-speed as well
One of the reasons for CUES was to bring wide range 1x down to 10 and 9 speed. 2x will be for the road stuff when they release it, no need for it for MTB
@@LoveMTB From everything I have read on CUES is that they have 2x crank sets and FDs for MTBs. As for there not being a need for it that is matter of personal preference.
@@Smalfox633 is there CUES brakes? I thought they were launched with the many non-series Shimano already has, and j fi have the MT200/400 covered in a video
@@Smalfox633 Oh yeah itls bits and pieces of their current lineup, nothing's new. MT200/400 lever with XT-like caliper. Check this out - th-cam.com/video/5K5SMkNmhrI/w-d-xo.html They are probably ok brakes if you get them cheap, no ServoWave in the lever and that long lever style.
I did not have one in my hands yet but...cheap 1x8, only a few parts of the groupset, Tourney pull ratio (not compatible with CUES). There you have it😉
I am interested in seeing if you can use the cues/linkglide cassette with a non cues/linkglide 11 speed drivetrain, not using the 50T cues/linkglide cassette but the 45T one
You used a 11-50T cassette not the smaller 11-45T cassette. Based on your test & some of your other comments you have only tested the 11-50T cassette not the 11-45T. You stated in a comment that the capacity issue of the non cues/linkglide 11 speed derailleurs don’t have the big cog capacity to take a 50T. My question is can they take the cues/linkglide 11-45T cassette that is within their capacity & thus they might shift better because they aren’t being pushed beyond their capabilities
@@aaronpyre Because of the pull ratio and the spacing of the cassette I don't think it would work well regetdless of the cassette. And where did you see an 11-45T CUES cassette? They have 11-46, 11-48 and 11-50 for the 9, 10, and 11 speed?
@@LoveMTBthanks sir ah another question since I have an 11 speed Rd and cogs can use a 11 speed deore 2 by fd and shifter? Thanks in advance I'm waiting for your kind reply
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@@LoveMTBI just have upgraded my ebike from Alvio to Cues 9 speed (full cues package). Shifting is awesome but i'm not happy with the rear derailleur! (Need clutch for chain retention) Do you know if the Shimano CUES U6000 rear derailleur works with cues 9 speed?
@@detmer87 Yes it will work just fine.
@@LoveMTB Well it didn't. Tried it today. Third gear of the shifter already pushes the derailleur to the smallest sprocket from the cassette....
Thanks for all this tests this saves me so much time and money.
Very welcome!🤗
Thanks for this CUES compatibility report, as I'm looking to upgrade my old mountain bike.
@@user-jr2fk9zh4j let us know how you like it!
I purchased the complete Cues U8000 1x11 Groupset after watching your previous videos. I’ve done about 250 miles on it now and I’m very happy with it. Great video as always 🤙
Great to hear!
So what are the drawbacks in your opinion? Soon going to purchase this derailleur
@@reazmohammed999 Almost no drawbacks. This is my first MTB groupset I’ve owned, I’ve only ever had road bike groupsets so I can only compare with them.
I wish the derailleur didn’t have a clutch, as it’s not needed for my commuter bike that will never go off road. A lot of reviews say that the U8000 derailleur is slow at shifting, I disagree. I had my groupset fitted by a professional mechanic and after 4-5 weeks of bedding in and cable stretch, it shifts as good as Ultegra R8000 Road groupsets without doubt. The only other slight negative is its a slightly more noisy than my road groupsets, I assume it’s the fact that the Link Glide chain is wider than Hyper Glide chains. Apart from that, really happy how robust and solid the U8000 groupset is, it feels as if it will last decades, hope this helps.
Wow! You saved me! I was going to just switch the cassette and crank set but now your video has convinced me to just go with the whole CUES setup! Thanks!
Let us know how you like it!
Finally! A video about it! Thank youu ❤❤
No problem 😊
For my heavy overland packing bike 170kg (no e-bike),im on U6000-10 11-48t and 32T,it's a dream,It's simple and on a waxed chain perfect for chilled week long rides from town to town.❤ from Germany;)
Thanks for sharing! Yeah that's the perfect application for this, just keep an eye on that CHAIN!😏
I am using the shimano cues crank, shimano deore m5100 shifter and deraillure, and sunshine 11s cassette, works like a charm!
Great it’s supposed to work like that🤘
Thanks for the links, to your videos, in the description area. I can now catch up the Shimano Cues system.
Have fun!🤘
So close! With RD-M5100 and CUES cassette, use SL-M4100-IR which pulls more cable! I use CS-LG300-9 11-41 for narrower chainline, as well as CS-LG400-10 11-48. CS-LG700-11 for alu spider. Is only first gear on Deore 11 thicker? Rest should be 1.6mm. A feeler gauge will show this without disassembly. Thank you for your platform and these videos which include details that are missing from marketing info. Drivetrain durability is a huge issue for MTB.
i'm not a fan of mixing and matching, but i always asked myself if it was worth the work and money to replace shifter and deraileur. Thanks to you i now know the answer. Thanks man!
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I did nine different tests between these two platforms three months ago . A deeper exploration than you covered . I also ran the Connex 11s0 chains in two later tests . We had a few sets and conducted a group ride to get outcomes more quickly . Four findings per riding session .
Great video. Thanks for taking the the time and effort to do this.
Was waiting for this! Can't wait for the 9 speed check
If I get my habds on it sure
Thanks for all the work that went into this video! Personally rocking a M5100 cassette and derailleur with XT shifter and chain (better surface coating than the SLX/105 chain) along with a SLX crank.
Good choice!
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W kwestii CUES 11S pracuje dobrze, i przy okazji montażu całej grupy wyszło szydło z worka. Okazuje się że kasety 11S i 10S mają tej samej grubości zebąteki i podobne odstępy między nimi, dlatego kaseta 11S jest ciut szersza od innych grup Shimano i nie tylko. Cues 10S i 11S pracują na łańcuchu 10S.
Jedenastka na standartowym łańcuchu 11S ma problemy z normalną pracą prxy zmianie biegów w obu kierunkach. Po założeniu łańcucha 10S (konkretnie KMC 10EL) pracuje dobrze ale i tak kupię orginalny Linkglide żeby ocenić jak ten uklad pracuje (i przy okazji pomierzę szerokości łańcuchów dla porównania).
Pozdrawiam gorąco.
I’m using the CUES 10 speed cassette with a Deore 10 speed (rd-4120) rear derailleur and Deore shifter (10 speed ‘dynasys’). And I’m using an 11 speed SRAM chain. Evidently, I didn’t have to do a lot of fiddling and tweaking to get it to work well.
Interesting setup!
I put cues 10x on my winter commute bike, it's been pretty solid. I definitely feel like it's missing a couple cogs.. "too hard... shift... ugh too easy " I also put an 11x cues on an old 26" downhill setup I am working on, it worked fine before I decided to disassemble my fork 😂
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I use a Deore RD-M5130-GS derailleur with XT SL-M8130-R11 shifter, CS-LG400-10 cassette and CN-LG500 chain to create a frankenstein 10-speed LinkGlide setup with the crisp shifter in of the XT shifter.
Works flawlessly!
oh yeah, it would work just fine due to the equal spacing of the cassette cogs, you just eliminate/ limit one shift with the limit screws😉
I'm using the Cues LG400 10 with an M820 shifter, RD-5120 derailleur, kmc gold chain
@@chad5562 11-43 cassette?
About cog thickness: check middle rings, hg really is thinner. Same thickness is only on last 3 (or even 1, depends) rings.
That's a shame with the 5100 derailleur and linkglide casette as it would have been the option I would have chosen for cassette replacement. Thanks for doing that.
You and many others, I know.
I did exactly the same tests. Came to the same conclusions.
What I found most interesting, was to start hot waxing my chain, to increase component life span. 2600 miles this year and still same components with no measurable wear. Amazing.
Yup, you an see the chain still full of wax in my installation video. Caveat: wax does not protect the chain that well in winter, you can't see that well in this vide but my LG chain already hs rust spots on it 🤔🤔
@@LoveMTB speaking of chains, i live near the coast an my deore chains develop rust even waxing, i was thinking on getting an XT chain next time, do you think It would be more resistant to corrosion? Thanks!
@@JeffWagen XT not really, XTR yes. But the cost is a LOT more...
@@LoveMTB thanks, I think I will let It rust then lol, its just cosmetic, but I like the looks of a clean drivetrain, but for my case I don't think it's worth the extra money.
@@JeffWagen SAme here, I can change it spring and fall if I have to
Just yesterday I put the M5130 linkglide drivetrain on my emtb replacing a 9 speed alivio. I don’t know how the deore is different from the cues, it seems well made and works well. Waiting for the snow to clear so I can give it a try on the trails.
It's done a bit better than CUES that's all. Enjoy!
always love your content super informative
Great work, thanks for the important information!
Glad it was helpful!
Let me explain a little. All cues system is based on the Shimano 10 speed HG system. The distance between the centers of the stars of cassettes cues 9, 10, 11 is the same as on a 10-speed hg. The choice of shifter was initially wrong. In addition to cues, only the m4100, m6000, m780 shifter will work on cues casste. m5100 don't work
So why does cues require an 11 speed chain? is it because distance are is the same but the cogs are supposedly thicker?
Ordered upgrades for my Mongoose Switchback Sport 2019 with Shimano Cues U6000 goupset (6 pcs 10-speed), along with Shimano's MT200 hydraulic brakes set (F+R) and SR Suntour XCR32 RLR Air suspension fork. Hoping with these upgrades I am good for another 3+ years. I am not at extreme ends, rather cross country with some mounting. All these upgrades cost me less than USD350 + another ~USD75 or so for service.
Crazy good pricing! Let us know how the upgrade turned out
The easiest hack to compare cassette spacing is just face them down both in a flat surface, side by side with smaller cogs facing down without lockring. You can tell outright if they are identical.
Great test! This is a subtle difference, not that easy to notice
The clunking is tolerable, as long as it lands dead center on each cog when shifting to the smaller cogs. Speed of the shift and centering that does not require feathering apart from the initial fine tuning would be the important factors for me. When I watch your videos, I am confident that I will always see an unbiased and thoughtful analyse of parts. Thank you.
You're welcome!
С прошлого лета езжу на кассете lg400-11, шифтере u6000 и переключателе m6100. Всё работает отлично. Сначала пытался установить только кассету, шифтер стоял m8000 - результат был аналогичен вашему. Пришлось докупить шифтер u6000. Один из мтб-видеоблоггеров в моей стране проводил такой тест: он пытался поцарапать малую звезду кассеты m5100 малой звездой cues, потом наоборот. Судя по этому тесту, у кассеты cues более твёрдый металл.
Ой, ок, вот откуда рекомендация! Царапая одно о другое. Счастливых дорог! :)
Я правильно тебя понял, что с кассетой CUES надо обязательно задний переключатель тоже CUES, а манетка можно оставить 8000 хт??? Вес конечно почти в 2 раза самой кассеты от хт ….
@@000KESH000 наоборот. С кассетой куес нужно манетка куес. А переключатель можно любой, деор м5100 например.
@@000KESH000 Не совсем, я бы рекомендовал использовать кассету CUES, манетку и переключатель скоростей.
I'm running the setup of test 3 but with a KMC x11 chain with no issues
Hey 👋 good video. The sun race cassette doesn’t work either. I have the short cage link glide rear mech stretched out on a 11-48 cassette. Works fine. Sram chains work fine on it too
Excelente canal saludos desde boyaca , Colombia estoy usando el grupo deore de 10 velocidades con cadena kmc y tensor o cambio cues de 10 velocidades y funciona muy bien es muy suave el cambio de marchas
Encantado de ayudar, gracias
Another really interesting video! I've not really seen Cues "out in the wild" so far, only on AliExpress. Have been tempted by the 9 speed varient for my retro, but not pulled the trigger yet. I do have a bit of a hybrid set up on a recent Marino hardtail build that's working really well though. Microshift Advent X G104 11-48 10 speed cassette (420g!) and Advent X shifter, but with the Deore M5100 derailleur! It have proven to be a really low cost, light weight and robust solution so far. Btw, I am waiting in anticipation for your next ZTTO wheel update 👀
That's a nice setup! ZTTO wheels unfortunately had to let them go with one of the bikes kids outgrew this winter...
@@LoveMTB The DDR390 wheelset you posted a video on last month? That's a shame. Was looking forward to your thoughts on them. They look really solid for the money
@@adammoonface they really do
Very informative! I don't think I'm going CUES after this but will likely have to go XT or SLX given my M5100 setup (Derailleur and shifter). Currently using a XT 11-46 11-speed cassette. It works like a dream with M5100.
They are both good choices. Shimano 12 speed needs micro spline freehub and you can reuse your M5100 shifter. CUES installs on the freehub you use now and it could be cheaper. I would personally go with first choice but make sure you use a Shimano chain
@@LoveMTB I'm using a KMC EL 11-speed chain with an Ali Racing 34T chainring. It's sort of a midrange setup that I"ve got running with some high end stuff. Durability is a big thing for me.
@@zubayrbhyat8077 Durability = CUES...if you were to listen to Shimano
This is a great video topic! I'm sure many of us wondered if Shimano's 11 speed group sets were exchangeable. It's hard enough trying to find information through google and what not since googles search algorithms are absolute crud now. So this video definitely helps out.
Do you mind going over Cues 2X systems, especially testing out the 2 by with the 50 tooth cassette? I think that might be quite helpful.
Great point! F do not have it now but I’m sure I’ll do that test when CUES road homes out
Im using slx m7000 casette, ct m8000 rear derailleur, xt m8000 shifter and Cues u6000 42T crankset, with xt chain. Works wonderfull
Yes nice setup!
Kaseta 10s 11~48t CUES z przerzutką i manetką deore m4100 da się tak ustawić że w miarę płynnie pracuje ,praca z szybszych na wolniejsze biegi bez problemu. Z wolniejszych na szybsze niestety z odczuwalnym opóźnieniem, chyba nawet dłuższym niż Shimano przewidziało, Ale do przeżycia. Testy na ramie GT Agresor w rowerze Córki. Córka jest bardzo zadowolona ze zmiany napędu. Z przodu zębatka owalna 36t, koła 26" x 2,25". Ja osobiście uważam że kaseta jest super i sprawuje się naprawdę dobrze.Gorszy problem je z 11~50 11S. I tego bez zmiany na pełny CUES nie da się sensownie ustawić, choć poświeciłem około pięciu godzin na dostrojenie. Pozdrawiam
Dziękujemy za udostępnienie! Dobrze wiedzieć, że 10-tki sprawdzają się lepiej w miksowaniu i dopasowywaniu.
cześć, ja mam przerzutkę rd-m4120 deore hyperglide 10s, manetka sl-m6000 deore 10s. Też myślę o włożeniu kasety cuesa 10s. chyba podobnie jak u ciebie. sądzisz , że zadziała?
@@ukaszszydlik2579
Myślę że tak.
Powiem szczerze że u Córki chyba właśnie mam tą 4120.
Po prostu nie pamiętam. Troszkę będziesz miał zabawy na początki z dostrojeniem, ale jak już załapie to hula jak zła.
Trzeba ją tylko dobrze ustawić do pierwszej zębatki (48t} tak żeby na dwójce kółko prowadzące łańcuch było z centymetr poniżej jedynki to daje lepszą zmianę z dwójki na jedynkę bez przycierania ľańcuchem o zębatkę.
Jak będziesz potrzebował jakiejś porady to pisz.
Pozdrawiam gorąco.
@@LoveMTB Proszę bardzo i polecam się na przyszłość.
Pozdrawiam gorąco...
@@marcinjangoasiewicz5284
Dzieki za odpowiedź.
szkoda, że Shimano nie udostępnia wymiarów swoich kaset, można by było porównać szerokości i odstępy między blatami. Wychodzi , że te dziesiątki są jednak podobne wymiarowo w takim razie. Na pewno włożę tego cuesa i sprawdzę
I have tried the following items with the Linkglide system:
RD-M5130 GS, SL-M5130, CS-LG600-10 did not work smoothly enough for me.
I also checked RD-M8000 SGS, still the same.
I also tried Ltwoo A10 SGS and it ran smoother than Shimano :)
Thank you for this . 💯 . I can mix my M5100 Rd to a Cues Cassette
No problem 👍
Felicidades por el vídeo.
De nada
I really love watching your videos.
Glad you like them Alexandre!
you read my mind , I wanted to do the same thing only with other Chinese cassettes like Ztto Meroka Sunshine
Yeah I have that gift...😇
There's a simple scratch test. Try scratching CUES cassette with Deore and vice versa. If CUES has harder metal, it should have no problem scratching deore.
I'll let you do that😇
@@LoveMTB I did that already. And cues scrathes deore easily. So its not all marketing.
Also shifting under pedaling is way smoother on cues.
And apparently there's a cues cassette with aluminium spider. Called CS-LG700. It should weight about the same as Deore.
@@PanaehaliTut yes the Groupset that apparently will be used mostly in Europe?
Thanks for confirming that the M5100 cassette, paired with a M8000 shifter, and either a M5100, M7100, or M8100 derailleur is the way to go. (For me, at least.) And I won't even consider CUES, due to the weight, cheaper quality, and greater cost.
No problem 👍 And no need for the 6-7-8100 derailleur, they are pretty much the same as M5100. I would use an 11 speed XT shifter with it though, M8000
@@LoveMTB I do like the sealed bearing jockey wheels on the M8100 derailleur, though. So much, in fact that I usually retrofit new M5100's with the XT jockey wheels. Smoother with less lateral play.
@@LoveMTB Thanks a ton for doing all this testing. Just to confirm above... you are saying the M5100 derailleur is on par with the 6-7-8100 derailleurs? Optimal cost setup for Linkglide 11spd would be M5100 cassette, M8000 shifter, M5100 derailleur?
@@garrettowens6314 Not sure I understand you cuestion Garrett. You want Linkglide/ CUES or Deore M5100?
@@LoveMTB Yup, three of my Specialized builds are M5100 cassettes and derailleurs paired with M8000 XT shifters. Flawless performance and bombproof reliability.
I just put the linkglide 10 spd cassette 11 48 on my bike today i,m running it as a 9 spd minus the 11 t must use 12 t lock ring and some spacers its a bit of a frankinstien ha ha. 9 spd xtr shifter 9spd xt mid cage deraileur sram 11 pd chain and a custom der hanger 15mm longer and 5mm behind axle and it works perfect it down shifts under load really smoothly but the delay in up shifts is noticeable comming from hg500 cassette so for winning sprints its a tiny bit slower. I,m not an e biker but do put out serious torq have stripped a few rear hubs and do lots and lots km all single track lots of tech climbing. The quality is not super high and sure the cassette may last longer but the chain probly wont having narrower side plates it has to wear quicker than 9spd time will tell . Thanks for you info .
Thanks for sharing your Frankenstein setup!🙃
I was waiting for this video! I was just eyeing how incredibly cheap m5100/6100 components are on AliExpress and was wondering whether it was worth going for CUES. I can see it's not for me because I currently have 4 bikes all using m5100/6100 rear mech in different configurations (10,11,12 speeds) plus one still running an m7000. All work very well using a range of cassettes (from generic chinese to sunrace to 7100) when paired with the correct shifter. And all the while having to keep only one model of spare mech on hand that will work for all of them, that can be had for about 30 USD. I already have 3 spares in storage but the temptation to get another is high 😂.
I hear you I’m all about standardizing my “fleet”😎
SL-M4100-IR (10 speed DYNA-SYS with EV mount, easy swap) works on CS-LG400-10 11-48 or CS-LG300-9 11-41 with RD-M5100 rear. RD-M5100 has a higher ratio, SL-M4100 has more pull. Together they get close enough to cues, it works well for me.
I am planning on using an 11sp XT cassette combined with Linkglide RD and shifter (XT 8130), I hope it would work just like how to tested…
Let us know!
You've got to switch to a LINKGLIDE chain to boot!!! (CN-LG500-11 for 10/11-spd and CN-LG500-11 for 10 or 11-spd) and then retest the M5100-11 setup on the CUES U6100 cassette (CS-LG600-11) again. You mistakenly call in U6000...whereas the U6000 is the 10-speed cassette in this same series.
Btw I recent replaced a worn out cassette on my older 2012 model Opus Sequence cross/commuter bike with a 9-speed Road-style Shimano drivetrain, the 3000 series SORA rear-derailleur (RD-R3000-SS), with older dropbar brifters (ST-R3000) with a too tight 11-25T grouping cassette (SORA CS-HG50). When the life finally gave out and it was skipping on the old chain paired with OEM cassette I finally replaced it with an upgrade to CUES!
The wider range 9-speed CUES/Linkglide Cassette 11-36T (CUES U4000, CS-LG400-9) + Chain (LINKGLIDE CN-E6070-9) seem to operate quite well with the old rear derailleur and brifters. I did have to add the Wolf-Tooth Road-link to provide enough clearance to the derailleur to climb above it's max designed 32T limit to reach 11-36T (on the CS-LG400-9) because I had the short cage SS version and not the longer GS version.
I think the SORA rear derailleur will stretch to 34T if the B-tension screw is long enough...but no more on it's own. This new U4000 cassette is also available as 11-41T & 11-46T. The smaller cogs are all: 11-13-15-17-20T on the CUES...which is different from SORA's bottom-end: 11-12-13-15-17-19T... but on my commute I will not miss those incremental gears and certainly enjoy the bigger range on the hills with a panier sack! -cheers
Very good review, and I wanted to see it. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
First, thank you very much for the video, finally someone mixing the components, I have an m5100 and when I need to change something I think about this compatibility...
Second, at the end of the video you talked about the chain, why didn't you change the chain along with the k7? Isn't Shimano's magic in the K7 and chain set?
No worries.
Chain is absolutely vanilla 11 speed, cassette is built differently and shifter/ derailleur have a different pull ratio. That’s it!
I am using m5130rd and Shimano zee shifter with chinese 11-42 10s and it works really well, it seems that only shifters are linkglide specific. But i would love to see measurments of cog spscing in linkglide cassete vs hyperglide.
Wait, if shimano cues uses 1:1 pull ratio, can you please try it with sram drivetrains? I think they use 1:1 too
I could but don't have any more SRAM 10-11s in my hands aside from a cassette
Never made the mistake at 5:30 as I had technical sheets already and planned for the differences beforehand .
Presumably if the non Cues cassette works perfectly with the otherwise Cues setup, it'll work the other way. ie. if you have an otherwise HG drivetrain you could use a Linkglide 11 speed cassette without issues if longevity and smoothness were your priority over shift speed and weight. In other words the cassettes are interchangeable.
Changing the pull ratio was completely unnecessary and a cynical move if you ask me ... making things incompatible because you can rather than because you need to, but at least 11 speed Cues and 11 speed HG seem to share the same cog pitch.
Word that I used was useable 😉
I was hoping to see measurements of the chain width. Are cues compatible with all old 11-speed chains?
I have this covered in many videos on my channel 😊 as for what’s compatible it is in this video, I say it in the video can’t show all the time
Wow nice try. Thanks for showing us👌
Welcome 😊
would be cool to see a test on if shimano cue's 1:1 ratio is compatible with sram's exact actuation as I believe that's also 1:1
Yeah jsut don't have any SRAM aside from Eagle in my hands
After comparing 11spd cues and deore m6100 the quality of m6100 is way premium and better overall and the price is cheaper compared to cues
With you on that, you can see it in the ivdeo vs M5100 as well
Thank you very much for the information!
Additionally, I would like to ask you, is it possible to use generic parts like as sunrace cassettes in the u6000 11s groupset?
Not really unless it’s made for it. And they are so cheap why bother? Get the entire CUES Groupset and call it a day
Now try a Linkglide cassette with SRAM 11s shifter and derailleur :)
i think next time you should also mention what model of XT 11 speed you are referring to
since the previous XT (M8000) uses Hyper glide as far as i know...
cheers mate.
It is specified in the subtitles pretty clearly, great point! Would be a lot easier to talk about all this with a live audience!😊
So for the front Cues 1x chainring I need the 40T but they are available only in 110bcd.. The 32 is too little for me and now I need a new cranks since the 32 is 96bcd? I Really found your 5 videos helpful but couldn't get the front chainrings options
@@GeorgiGeorgiev-ne9ps you can use whatever chainring /cranks you want cues uses a standard 11 S chain😊
@@LoveMTB ok but i want only Cues. They have Cues 40 and 42T which dont bolt up to the Cues 32T cue crank as bcd is different
Cues for pedalecs / e- bikes and HG for racing and non - powered bicycles .
So as of today we have 3 systems. Shimano at it's finest to make things harder. Quite frankly I'm happy I switched to SRAM cause my life got simpler.
1. Shimano ESSA - (cheap 1x8 released ytd) - old 1:2 SIS
2. Dyna-Sys - HG+ drivetrain 12speed and legacy 10/11spd 1:1
3. Cues - something close to 1:1 but not exactly.
They did what sram f..d up with their 10spd drivetrains. Shimano does not innovate anymore, all they do is to take care for their patents and they catch up SRAM when forced.
Merci!
i use a 9speed cues shifter and rd on a hg201 9speed cassette. its usable.
Thanks for sharing! So similar to my findings on 11 speed
¿Entonces también sería compatible con Sora?
Is Shimano Cues cassette compatible with M9000 M8000 shifters and deraileures??
Unfortunately no, those are compatible with M5100
But what, sorry if i missed it, when you pair. An m8000 or m9000 derailleur with the cues cassette
I did not/ will not do that, those derailleurs would struggle with the 50T, they work ok up to 46T
Can I use the shifter 2 by of Shimano cues to fd deore 2 by sir?
None of the LBS around me are even carrying any of the cues yet. If I order online it's more expensive than deore 😅
For now...
@@LoveMTB hopefully that means the price will go down and not that the deore will be raised in price.
@@andrewsiasparks Who knows, it should go down as SHimano expects 1-2 out of 5 bikes in the enar future to have CUES installed.
great video! What about Linkglide cassette + shifter paired with M5100 derailleur (non-linkglide)?
Did not try that combo…
Thanks
Welcome
Will this work?
* Cues RD-U4000-GS
* Cues 10sp shifter
* Hyperglide 10sp cogset
* 10sp chain
Nickel vs Phosphate coating, the NI Linkglide is going to last longer.
Most probably but longevity doesn't just come from that.
Hello, do you know, how good it will work, if only casette and shifter for CUES version be changed? I mean, without changing a rear deraileur (I have SLX M7100 12 speed). Thanks.
Different pull ratio it could work-ish. But coming from M7100 why? Unless eBike I see no point
Halo saya dari indonesia, saya pengguna u4000 9speed, saat ini sprocket masih 11-36. Saya ingin ganti dengan sprocket cues cs lg300 11-46 9speed , apakah compatible?? Terimakasih atas jawabannya...
Hi you show everything but not how to remove a cues. I need to remove a spacer hope you can help .. Tony
I have a series of videos on this, check them out😉 Don't know what you're trying to remove.
@@LoveMTB the chainring
Have you tries the Linkglide system but with a Hyperglide Derailleur, I was thinking of going LinkGlide but have a good SLX 12 speed derailleur currently, so short term at least would be good if i could keep that
Different pull ratio it might work ok but have not tried it
Can CUES drivetrain be used on a hybrid bike?
Definitely
Will this work?
Cues U4000 GS RD with Cues 11-48T, 10-speed cogset & Cues 10-speed shifter
It should work but remember U4000 derailleur has no clutch
Hello everyone
- lg400 11-50 cassette (cues linkglide)
- m5100 derailleur (HG)
- u6000-11 shifter (cues linkglide)
Combo will be work?
You said the Cues cassette is a different width to the 5100. Did you measure it? What was the difference in cassette width?
For you which is better 10s deore or 10s cues , honest answer pls
10 speed CUES
All I care about is how long they would last and price😂 I use Sensah SLR Pro 11 speed groupset. Cheap and works good😮
Salut, Shimano XT Linkglide RD-M8130 vs Cues RD-U8000 vs Cues RD-U6000, what's the difference ?
Quality and cage for the XT!
Hi sir can I use deore 11 speed fd shifter to a 11 speed Shimano cues Rd and cogs?
Should work ok but they also have that 2x option
I have a question. If i put the cues cassette on a m8100 rd, combined with m8000 shifter. Will it work properly or it'll be my biggest nightmare?
Simple answer is no, not worth it for the price.
Does enybody understand what Cues cranks "Only compatible with LINKGLIDE shifting system" on the Shimano website means? Because at the same time in characteristics, they are saying that it is also compatible with HG 11-speed as well
Marketing doesn't always translate well the engineering facts...
Your cranks don't care a tiny bit what you are running in the back.
review Shimano Essa please
If I can get my hands on it! But honestly what's wrong with 9 speed CUES? Do we really need another non-compatible with CUES 8 speed?
Now, can we have your thoughts on a CUES 2x10 or 2x11 set up?
One of the reasons for CUES was to bring wide range 1x down to 10 and 9 speed. 2x will be for the road stuff when they release it, no need for it for MTB
@@LoveMTB From everything I have read on CUES is that they have 2x crank sets and FDs for MTBs. As for there not being a need for it that is matter of personal preference.
@@Frombie_01 Agree 100%. They do have 2x cranks, have seen them, and no did not need something like that for our use.
So can I have LG crankset in the front and full HG in the back (cassete, derailleur, shifters) ?
yes 💯
Hope you can review the shimano cues brake set.
@@Smalfox633 is there CUES brakes? I thought they were launched with the many non-series Shimano already has, and j fi have the MT200/400 covered in a video
@@LoveMTB yes there is, it is the u8000 series
@@Smalfox633 Oh yeah itls bits and pieces of their current lineup, nothing's new. MT200/400 lever with XT-like caliper. Check this out - th-cam.com/video/5K5SMkNmhrI/w-d-xo.html
They are probably ok brakes if you get them cheap, no ServoWave in the lever and that long lever style.
@@LoveMTB thanks. The u8000 brake set is expensive here in the Philippines. The price is the same as the slx 2 piston brake set.
@@Smalfox633 I would get the SLX in a heartbeat. Even better, the Deore M6100😉
Will anyone make a video about Shimano Essa ?
I did not have one in my hands yet but...cheap 1x8, only a few parts of the groupset, Tourney pull ratio (not compatible with CUES). There you have it😉
I am interested in seeing if you can use the cues/linkglide cassette with a non cues/linkglide 11 speed drivetrain, not using the 50T cues/linkglide cassette but the 45T one
I thought I did the test...
You used a 11-50T cassette not the smaller 11-45T cassette. Based on your test & some of your other comments you have only tested the 11-50T cassette not the 11-45T. You stated in a comment that the capacity issue of the non cues/linkglide 11 speed derailleurs don’t have the big cog capacity to take a 50T. My question is can they take the cues/linkglide 11-45T cassette that is within their capacity & thus they might shift better because they aren’t being pushed beyond their capabilities
@@aaronpyre Because of the pull ratio and the spacing of the cassette I don't think it would work well regetdless of the cassette. And where did you see an 11-45T CUES cassette? They have 11-46, 11-48 and 11-50 for the 9, 10, and 11 speed?
I don’t understand really , I use 12speed SLX , is the difference cost and only up to 11 speed ,
And durability and tougher cassette so teeth don't break under e-bike power
Is it compatible on any gravel bike?
Not yet but chances are they're coming with it at some point
Can any crank set be used in the Shimano cues drive train?
@@Rondel0927 pretty much
@@LoveMTBthanks sir ah another question since I have an 11 speed Rd and cogs can use a 11 speed deore 2 by fd and shifter? Thanks in advance I'm waiting for your kind reply
Are the mtb hg cassette (10s) and cue u6000 (10s) derailleur sets compatible?
Yes
thank you
At this time, can I use the existing 10-speed chain (HG)? Or should I use LG type or HG 11-speed chain?
@@user-yz1xn9rw1j you can use any 11 speed chain
Im still using my bullet proof 3x10 deores lol😂 hope this goes the same with the cues..