How To Bowl Better On Long Oil Patterns
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Brad and Kyle explain how to throw more strikes and improve scores on long oil patterns
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Another cool thing to see on videos like this is 3 different strength of balls. Show a line for a strong ball, medium ball, weak ball. Just for comparison as to different methods to play the lanes! Otherwise, love the videos!
They won’t do that…because if they do some of us will be able to compete against them and beat them!
@@santanah.6897that is most definitely not the case. They can show us this on TH-cam and maybe 13 people will apply this to their game. The rest of us will think about it and never carry it over into the physical game.
"I do this for a living." Great Self Talk. I think I'll use that too. Thank you.
hahaha I was thinking the same! lol
With Jr Gold coming up, do you have any tips for the youth bowlers? I think a lot of your subs would like that.
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I’ve got a 13 year old who is doing fantastic without knowing much of this lingo. This is going to help so much as he hasn’t been coached much yet! This is great, gents. Starting junior gold this year.
Could you guys by chance make a video explaining oil spec sheets? Ratio, length, volume, etc...
Keep ‘em coming boys. Much appreciated.
Guys it would be awesome to hear y’all’s personal tips on how you think about approaching flat patterns and how to see different things with ball reaction! I recently bowled on bear and over a 4 game shot 820 but should have been way higher bc I gave the pocket away on my guess of what to do
So for people with lower rev rates, would it make more sense to use a stronger, more aggressive ball? I've gotten a few suggestions from teammates from league and from a few people I bowled with in nationals this year, like a few people said a Gem or a Nova might be ideal, or even a Zen or Proton Physix. I can consistently hit the pocket on a House shot, but when I bowled nationals, I found that my ball path was all over the place. Brad and Kyle, you guys are so good at giving bowling advice. See you guys on Tuesday at Bayside Bowl. :D
A stronger ball is definitely the way to go. Look at some of the specs of the balls that have been recommended to you. A lot of them will have asymmetrical cores, providing stronger down lane reaction. Some will be stronger than others, so I would recommend watching some videos of the balls in action before you commit to a purchase.
@@EchoTangoFuture7 thank you, I’ll definitely be doing some research on that.
Something along the nova or gem would be perfect for longer patterns,
Zen would be a good step down of bowling multiple game tournaments
As someone with the Dark code as a benchmark ball, I can say stronger balls are awesome. I also throw the ball 18-20 mph on average, and I don't hook much
Just my stupid opinion from experience: If you have a low rev rate (under 350) your ONLY option on long patterns is the following:
-Throw the MOST AGGRESSIVE ball in your bag. Solid asyms that move as early as possible. Nothing else will work. Everything else will slide like a spare ball and I mean EVERYTHING.
-Apply as MUCH SURFACE as you can. We're talking 360 at the HIGHEST. Nothing else will do.
-Stay aggressive. Most low rev players think they need to throw it super soft to get their ball to hook on super long patterns but that is a trap. It's a trap that will lead you to 5-7-10 variations throughout the entire day. Keep your damn ball speed UP.
-Your target at the dots, arrows, AND the breakpoint is TEN. Nowhere right, nowhere left. Just DIRECTLY UP TEN. Maybe, MAYBE feed it to 10 from 15 if you're feeling limber. This is how Liz Johnson, a bowler with a rev rate UNDER 200 (that's WITH a wrist brace), has won title after title...on SUPER long patterns. She doesn't need to do the next thing because she has superhuman accuracy, but still.
-This one is the MOST important. You NEED to LOFT. HIGH. And Very, VERYYYYYYY FAAAARRRRR. We're talking to the down lane markers. Jason Eubanks/Hit it Harder has a really good video on this. Lofting makes oil patterns shorter. Eubanks himself has a rev rate approaching the 600s. If HE is lofting it to the markers on Dragon (which is 45') then what do you think you should be doing if you have half the rotation he does?
Yes. Doing this is not conventional. Yes. it WILL earn you dirty looks. Yes, it WILL take a lot out of you. NO, it will NOT be comfortable. But it works. REALLY well.
Speed dominant/low rev bowlers have very good looks when the lanes turn into sandpaper. So what do you do when there is a lot of oil? You need to replicate that sandpaper like environment. The above is how you do it.
could you add at the beginning of your video what type ball Symmetric/ Asymmetrical it would help
especially with oil heavy or light( or none!!!!)
Bowling my first tournament on Mark Roth 42 ft. I’m watching your videos of tips.
Love these guys, so much fun! Keep up the great work
Thanks guys for your time….
happy 4th boys take ya a well deserved break with fam and friends.🎆
Timely info w/Jr. Gold coming up. Have fun at Bayside this week.
Going to be hard to get lane time here at home the next couple weeks 🙂
Good luck!
What board did you stand on (with which foot) and what board did you aim?
If your a more down and in bowler with not that many revs, should you consider changing the surface on a ball?
is it better for a casual bowler to always play the middle of the lane?
which bowling ball perform better in long oil patterns for a player with 15 miles speed ? I am twinner player
How many ML/s oil ?
Who has a good video on bowling jargon? I'm lost on some terms like flare, miss-right, give away the pocket, etc.
So if I’m getting this right, shorter lanes you can use more boards. More left to right action because the dryer parts of the lane will cause the ball to hook more.
But you can also bowl more straight, bowling the 10.
House you can play all parts of the lane. But favor more middle or 10 side.
Long shots you want to play more
Middle of the lane.
Bowling on my first sport pattern starting tomorrow bit expecting to do very good I I ky avg 180 on house shot so we will see how I do its a 45 foot pattern they are saying
I love these videos, but I definitely need one for short patterns because i am atrocious on short😭
I just use my spare ball
@@xxspawn2trapxx356 I don’t have one😭. I just use my reactive and throw it straight
Okay... for someone who is a very casual bowler who is looking to improve his game... shim? Can I get some clarification in layman's terms?
That's an excellent question. B&K themselves will probably do a video on this but I hope my explanation works for now.
Shim = Push = Hold. They all mean the same.
When a bowler is telling a ball to do ANY of those three actions, they want the ball to STOP hooking and stay where it is. They want it to "shim" away from the entry point that they don't want, they want it to "push" through where it is right now, or they want it to "hold" onto the line that it's currently traveling at.
@@SirJoelsuf1 Awesome. Makes sense. Thanks!
Although feeding the ball to the 3 pin is a very good strategy on super long oil patterns.
I have Infinite physix storm fate iq y
Tour solid going to bowling on 45 foot any suggestions?
What grit do you have your balls at for longer patterns?
Nice video lads thanks for sharing the wisdom 👍
(Entry point) 1-2 pin strike is really good for extremely long and oil-less pattern. And stronger bowling ball is needed.
Please show a down alley shot with the line the ball is going on so one could see the ball at the arrows down the lane to the break point and into the pocket from the different feet locations.
Brad, where did you get that t-shirt?
Does using the Rule of 31 still apply to today's game? Is it still a good starting point to which board the ball should be at the break point?
For the 45 foot pattern in the video, they'd be going for a breakpoint at the 14th board, and tbh when Brad went from 16 to 10 it hit kinda light. So a 14-board breakpoint is actually a pretty good starting point. So I'm gonna say Yes, the rule of 31 still works.
Is it possible for yall to do a shorter oil patterns? luv the vids btw ❤️
One has been filmed, and will likely be released after the league!
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Excellent video Gents, very helpful information.
Can youguys elaborate more on what you mean when you say "dont give the head pin away"
Asymmetrical cores 😉👍 very long with large angular entryway
Kyle can i buy the jersey you are wearing?
Would definitely enjoy seeing some league night videos or some fun challenge videos as well always appreciate the tips on how to videos 💯
Wat kind of surface is best for long oil? 2000grit?
The answer is not the same for everyone. Surface depends a lot on rev rate, speed, the ball you are using and what type of reaction you are comfortable with!
What center are you guys at? Is that St. Charles?
Yes!
Cool video talk tech bowling ball brad and Kyle
When you’re saying you’re playing 16 to 10 on the lane, where are you standing/sliding to achieve that projection? Imagine somewhere around 25-27 with your feet?
that is going to be wildly different for every single person. Some people drift left, some right, some walk toward the target, some walk away, and crossover on the powerstep, some have wide shoulders/hips some narrow. the line is all that matters and so expressing that line as 16 to 10 is about as universal an expression as you could give. Where to actually target to achieve that line is personal for sure! You MUST watch the ball path after release, this is absolutely vital or you might as well just close your eyes and swing away.
@@stevelennard7320 16-10 from launching at 15 will have a different path and ball reaction than 16-10 from launching at 45. Steeper and shallower projection angles will yield vastly different reactions. Which I believe you can understand, hence my question about Kyles landing and his projection.
@@runnerboy6886 hahahaha 16 to 10 is a line you cannot approach that line from 15 (BTW launch spot has nothing to do with lines in bowling, the approach starts at the address and finishes at the line, the ball path starts at the line and extends to the break point (the second number in the "line" in order to play a 16 to ten, while launching from the 15 hahahahah you'd need to swing from in front of your body crossing over the wrong side of your shoulder... impossible. You can however achieve a 16 to 10 line from any position deeper than 20 at the foul line.... but having the ball project from 16 to 10 is the same regardless of where your feet were on the approach. This is very simple geometry.
brad lives off lucky shots. GGs for him lmao.
Hey I was going to ask if a uc3 would be good for long patterns like 50 feet or should I use reactive
It won’t hook
uc3 if you have crazy revs but otherwise reactive
Brilliant!!! Guys
the problem far to the right is the burning of the lane. normally outside is not much oil so you have to do conversion far more often..
Hi I love your vids and I went to state my first year and the first day the oil pattern was hard to figure out
do one on short patterns i hate that stuff
Loft. LOTS of it. HIGH and FARRRRRRRR. Jason Eubanks from Hit it Harder has a REALLY good video about it.
how many mils of oil?
Wonder why no one considers throwing the Norm Duke Straight angle on long pattern. Old school, simple and works.
Nope. 5 pins combinations, and lots of em if you do that. Much better idea to loft the ball as far as you can and as high as you can, shortens em up.
@@SirJoelsuf1 Didn't Norm throw a dang 300 on tv doing it though? Sometimes you gotta throw what the lanes allow. Darren Tang has done a few times last year on long pattern as well.
Doesn’t it depend on Rev Rate and Axis tilt as to where you play the lane. I was a high rev rate player and didn’t find long patterns hard. Short patterns were horrible as I could get the ball down the lane. They would hook too soon.
for you, you should be moving to the outside of the lane (which may be the middle of the lane in your case) and up the ball speed, don't worry about rollout, but do use the natural entry angle afforded by more outside angles to control ball deflection... Urethane works well for your situation too for similar reasons
Is that Route 66 oil pattern?
Dragon
If someone can get an alley to oil 58 feet of a lane that would be a very fun challenge for a bowling TH-cam video
nice
Can we pretty please get one for short patterns 😭😭😭
Been a bowler for decades. Too many times have I bowled a long oil pattern where I can't get a wrinkle out of my ball.
Solution slow ball down and move in to between 3rd and 4th arrows an play a frozen rope
Nope. That'll leave you 5-7-10 variations all day, if not the 5-7-10 itself. If you can't get a wrinkle out of your ball, what does that mean? It means you don't have enough surface to counteract the oil. Slowing down doesn't help either because you don't have the rotation to get it to create power and motion.
If you don't have rotation, you need to generate power from a different source. That source is SPEED. You have the right idea about the frozen rope, or what I call "riding the track" which entails feeding the ball to the 10 board from the 3rd arrow. However, to do this properly you need an aggressive ball with a lot of surface. And you need to loft it. This will make the pattern shorter and will make it resemble the shorter patterns most low rotation bowlers succeed on.
USBC should re legalize the trend 2.
It's only banned in the major usbc tournaments you can still throw it in league if your league didn't ban it
would this go hand in hand with how to bowl with a wedgie?
where do you bowl....they might run long oil fir pros,but houses here have not run more than 3 feet past the heads for yrs..but if they would,I could use my blue hammer,but this short crap lets ball run out of control...I use forty yr old hard rubber like ACE ,RIPLEY or plastic white dot...but you don't know about these.
Most house shots aren’t too long. But when I bowl tournaments I run into longer or modified house patterns, and sport/challenge shot leagues offer different patterns (at my houses where THS is usually short.
Oh, I see. Just throw it perfect.
Our Coffee Creek Bowling Alley is known for the NO OIL PATTERN.... Sucks.. If bowling wasn't already so expensive maybe we could pool the funds together and buy them the oil and pay the guy to operate the machine maybe a little extra for electricity...My last games my new ball suffered ball rash!
I barley can bowl good on a house shot I can imagine how bad I would be on a sport
Hi I love your vids and I was in state my first year
Altered reality
Love you guys but I might have to take a quick break from your vids, I’ve had your theme song stuck in my head for three days now. Regardless, keep up the good work, love the channel!
Roll flat with not much spin 2 boards off the gutter, simple okay 👌