American Vintage II 72 Telecaster Vs A Real 1972 Telecaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Jonathan plays some riffs on both a Vintage 1972 Telecaster and the New American Vintage II 72 Telecaster. Which one do you prefer? Watch the whole video to find out what one was Jonathans favorite.
Possibly the best review you are ever going to get of this guitar against its genuine vintage counterpart!
The Tele Thinline has always been the "one that got away" for me... back in the mid 80's I had a chance to buy a 1973 exactly like these, it was amazing but I didn't have the $400.00 at the time... still kicking myself nearly 40 years later!
When I was 21 I had a choice between a Patrick eggle (any model) or a Washburn kc44v . Well I dunno what I did with the Washburn after floyd fashion. £400 because the eggle had never been seen before. Yep I guess we all do it
I have one of these from the old days. It’s freakin wicked ripper for high gain. This one also needs a fret job. Previous owner appears to have made $50k a year playing live on this neck. It’s the eat sounding guitar I have, and the worst playing
Loved your comparison. I use a '72 Thinline and it's the perfect tool for almost any job. Adding a little more mid to your last example woulda give her more body and, since I got a coil-tap, I can get some sweet country twang.
Oh my. Fender is flooding TH-cam again. You guys are excused 😁 Thanks for the great video!
Nice to see the Type 2 Thinline getting some love. I never thought I would own one. I just got a used 2006 MIM ‘72 reissue and dang it, I really like it.
got my first Strat o3 American deluxe?? having hard time with neck and bends but do like it as well
This video brought me to your channel a couple months ago, and now you guys have surpassed my other guitar channels I regularly watch, as the most entertaining. Keep up the content, and I really hope I can someday visit your store.
While there is a slight difference in what I can here, I guess the real question is how does it feel to play?
Interesting video. Different sounds, each with it's own merit. Looking ace too.
This is such a good way to show off these vintage spec guitars. I have the American Original '72 Tele Custom with the CuNiFe neck humbucker and it's a really incredible pickup. I am really tempted to pick up the regular solid-body Deluxe, but I'm low-key bummed they went with a poly finish for the 70's models. Even though it's historically accurate, I'm surprised there isn't at least a little cost-savings there. Still, this line seems very cool!
I’m super jealous you got to have both guitars side by side. I just got the American Vintage II 72 Thinline, because I doubt I’ll ever be able to afford a nice original 72. I will say that it was my first experience with cunife pickups and I think they live up the the hype.
I have the old one, and now that the pickups have de-magnetized a bit it’s sounding fantastic!
It’s great for ripper ass metal sounds. The most metal sounding guitar I have.
Frets are wasted here too
Nice playing Jonathan. There are some things that just can't just be replicated from a vintage
guitar. You can sand the paint off, you can scratch it all up, you can age the pick up covers and
hardware but you can't replicate vintage electronics. That sweetness only comes one way. ")
We might need to hear another comparison after the new model has 50 years of wear on it. It could make a difference in the sound of the pickups. I think they both sounded really good, though. What I like about the new American Vintage II model is that the pickups have CuNiFe magnets. So cool!
Jim Lill somewhere on TH-cam did a video on what makes a guitar tone. He concludes it’s mostly the pickups and pickup height more than any other variable. In the end, he built a “guitar” that has no body- just a pickup suspended in space, and compared it to his Anderson Tele. It was very close. So allz y’allz golden ear nutters may want to watch that video first before saying vintage is better, etc. To me, the sound is close enough between these two. Folks will say “I hear a MASSIVE difference listening to this over my $100K studio monitor setup.” to which I will tell them, “Most people will hear your music through earbuds, on a bus, over Spotify (compression).”
Let’s hear the Vintage 2 vs the Squier version.
The Japanese 80s version was fantastic !
Awesome. Lets throw a Squier Vintage Modified 72 thinline and a MIM model in there too for the full comparison.
to my ears, the AV2 sounded slightly brighter and better but I wasn't holding it. Jonathan killed it!
I know the cunife p/u’s are not for everyone but I really like them. I had an American pro 2 Tele and I had a luthier route out just about everything below the pick guard and had him put in two of those pick ups with a 1mg pot and I love it. They’re really unique sounding p/u’s IMO. I have the access heel as well which is a big bonus for me. Great video Jonathon!
What a surprise, a video on thinline teles. Only the 6th in 16 hours. Great song Jonathan.
It seems like the reissue was brighter and had more break up. I actually preferred it on the first song you played. All the others, the vintage, with it's more balanced tone and clarity on the bass seems to win out. The reissue sounds a little more like a traditional Tele, the vintage one more of a traditional humbucker sound.
I just listened to “Funk 49.” There was something between different Tele 1 and Tele 2. What are those differences? Without knowing (at the time of this comment) I thought Tele #2 seemed more pleasing. If that’s the Vintage II GREAT! Regardless, comparing the new guitar to a real ‘72 or a Custom Shop ‘72 a bargain at $2300. Although, I’ve played many “local T-Style build” Teles at $1700 that will compete with many “FENDER Telecasters.”They just don’t say Fender on the guitar. Now, I’m going to listen and find out which was which. I did like the tone of guitar #2.
A thought - the new one was a little brighter, the 72 sounder rounder: Different strings, or old vs new / unplayed, or steel vs nickel could account for the difference.
So could pickup height / adjustment. So could the age and reduced strength of the older magnets...
I wish I could do a reissue of myself, mid 90’s would be good. When my pick ups were in better condition and sounded better.
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Hell yeah back in my mid 20's and not early 50's😂
Just found this video. I bought one of those new back in 1972/3- great guitar, and the pickups were very clear and great for chord and rhythm, but I found lacking a little penetration for lead playing and eventually went for a Gibson with P90s a year later. In hindsight, I would have liked to kept the Tele as well, but there ya go.
I have a mid 90’s MIJ reissue that has been my favorite guitar since I got it for my 15th birthday back in the mid 90’s.
As soon as I heard Fender reissued the CuNiFe pups I shelled out a gagillion bajillion dollars and pre-ordered them. They are fantastic.
Funny enough, they actually cost more than the guitar originally cost in the mid 90’s.
Great video.
I can definitely hear the difference. The real vintage is a little warmer and sweeter without losing the brightness in the attack.
I wouldn't kick either of them out of bed tho.
Very slight difference but super close. Fender done good with this series!
The neck pickup sounded nearly identical on both guitars. The bridge pickup had slightly more clarity on the vintage. Middle position was so ridiculously mid scooped on both, I couldn't ever see using that position at all.
How did you imagine a loss of midrange with both pickups on? I'm listening through a stereo system and those pickups chime out full and properly.
Nice review. The Vintage II is t likely the better bang for the $$$
I can hear the slight edge diff. giving the older guitar one up. but both sounded pretty awesome.
Great demo, the original has less treble, more clarity, less congestion on the mids. That translates into cleaner and more dynamic. 😊
Seems to me the cunife pickups haven't been figured out completely.
Hmm..betcha part of it is the original CuNiFe pickups in the '72. The modern-day closest replacements, made by Fender, are not stock to the re-issue. Those pickups are a half-grand a set. But it's a super-nice MIM reissue, no joke there.
Nice Vid. A 73 Custom and a 76 thinline have been my #1 and 2 since I bought them in 84 and 87 respectively. It's hard to compare the WRHB since there is as much variation in those pickups than even early PAF's. Believe it or not the "WRHB" that sounds most like my my favorite, the one in the custom, is a "wrong" version in the Vintera. The new Cunifes's tend to lack the "flutey" quality of the best old ones. The difference is only barely noticeable in this vid.
great demo!
I love a three bolt neck.inwish fender would bring it back. The plate is cool looking. And yes a triangle(3 points) is actually more stable than the 4. Which you and Baxter specifically brought up before and laughed about. But it's true. Maybe not really on a guitar neck, but in general math/physics it's true
Great review man!
Nice Job John. I could hear the difference slightly as well. I would like to hear more about how the new ones feel. For me, like many of us, its all about the neck. How does it feel. I baught a road worn after you talked about the neck and was not let down! I hope you guys talk more about how it feels when you are playing. Thanks again as always. God Bless
On the sound alone, the only slight difference I could tell from the recording could be chalked up to pickup height. Once it adjusted to the new volume, they sound the same. I have yet to see how they feel. I like how they are new and not relics, as well as the much cheaper price than vintage or custom shop. All that said, I would not be picking one up as I would want more modern features. Already love my Pro II.
The amp you use can make a difference. I plug my 2015 Tele into a Blackstar ht-5
I am by no means a vintage snob, and I don't know what it sounded like in the room -- but listening on Beyerdynamic DT 770 headphones, the difference was night and day, and the real 72 is head and shoulders above for my tastes. Rounder, smoother, warmer. The Vintage II CuNiFe's are much punchier and brighter and in-your-face. The bridge PU was on the border of being too harsh. Again, that's my personal taste - I'm sure brighter and punchier is preferable to a lot of people.
I actually feel a little better now about my American Professional II Tele Deluxe -- I was kicking myself because I didn't do my research and assumed I'd be able to drop in CuNiFe's in the future if I wanted to, but the routings are too small for true Wide Range pickups. The stock PUs are very nice, but they are their own animal.
They sound similar to each other playing was great
I need Tabs for this! Great playing!
The original one sounds warmer
Midrange is slightly more scooped on the real deal vintage, and hence more smooth and warm sounding. Reissue sounds good but mids are just slightly harsh.
The wood on 72 has had 50 years of aging and natural drying and playing. That could be the difference in sound.
It’s partly hollow so the wood actually will have a lot of effect on tone
How does cellulose affect electromagnetic coils?
Trying to find a '69 type in Surf Green. Very few for sale anywhere!
I like how the original disappears off the back wall with every edit, very old school special effect.
Interestingly, the bridge pickup on the new one sounded brighter, but the neck pickup (and consequently the middle position) definitely sounded brighter on the 1972. Thats at least what I heard through TH-cam 😂
I preferred them both.
the neck pocket gap on the original omg. I'm glad fender decided not to copy this feature for the vintage ii's :)
So this is what Jonathan was doing while Baxter was showing off a special. I didn't play either but I agree that the vintage seems to have a "better to my ear" sound. But the price difference doesn't jive with my playing ability.
I preferred the American II Thenline 72' over the original. I don't think tone wise there was much of a difference, maybe the player could tell but as a listener I think its going to lose that extra 5% when the drums kick in. Also I noticed the fret markers on the original were bigger and I didn't like the look of that. The new guitar looks too orange on the neck but that'ts the only issue I had with it. Also its like $2k-3K cheaper if I'm not mistaken. So for me the new one sounds better, looks marginally better, plays better, and is cheaper. I know which one I would take to the gig. The Squire version of this 😂 of course!
How would you know it plays better, having played neither of the ones in the video?
@@mohamedtlass3842 he said so in the video. He said the vintage guitar needed a refret.
Nicely done comparison. I agree with the prevailing opinion that the real '72 was slightly smoother, but they're very, VERY similar to each other. Can't say I actually like the core sound of either, but it could be the amp, the recording, etc. Seems both harsh and weak at the same time; lots of racket, and very little note fundamental.
I’ve asked Baxter for this before, but please include the amp and any pedals used in the description. Thanks!
The pickups on the new one have a bit more output power. But my OCD side can only see the gap between the neck and neck pocket on the original one. I prefer the new one.
I'll say straight off - I'd be VERY happy with either of them! But has the original '72 got a slightly narrower neck at the nut? - maybe it's an optical illusion, but I just couldn't "un-see it" once I'd noticed it.
The true 72 sounded a bit more mellow, not quite the treble/bite of the new version. Definitely nailed the looks
The Vintage definitely sounds smoother, less brittle, but you could re-EQ your amp to make up the difference.
Both sound great, but the original has more bottom end growl
exactly:)
The Vintage definitely sounded thinner...I liked the fuller, more rounded sound of the ‘72
F*ck yeah Jonathan playing! (You are still cool Bax ❤)
Very close indeed. The re-issue sounds to have a little more punch over TH-cam.
The real 72 is much more mellow, more Humbucker sounding, maybe wound hotter? Or just mellow with age, but the new 72 is definitely much brighter.
Neck pup was virtually dead on... Feel like lowering the Bridge pup on the AVII would get it closer to the '72
The comparison is interesting, but price is a consideration. The new ones aren't cheap, but what multiple of that do you have to pay for a real-deal '72? According to Reverb, it's 3X. These two guitars are being sold to different people, nobody's choosing one or the other.
All hail the mighty power chord...!
I thought the reissue sounded brighter. Slight nod to the vintage but thought the reissue was very good.
The new one sounds a little thinner than the original one
The 72 all day….
Jonathan thinks he's cool because he's got two 72 Teles and I don't have any. I guess that he is.
Definitely a difference. To me the original 72’ won hands down based on this solo performance. However the replica would be the better choice in a band setting. All things equal with no EQ tweaks the newer model would cut through the mix better. The mid range of the original would get lost and would sound muddy, possibly due to weaker pickups. But… if you handed me an EQ and I could boost the highs an reduce the lows and mids, the original would still win… my two cents.
How much would the real '72 cost, generally speaking?
I think I like AVII
The real thing killed it, dude. If you didn't have the need to sell the new one, you would surely agree.
What worries me is that the horn appears to be larger on the AVII model. What does that say about accuracy?
Optical illusion because of the sticker.
I'm quite prepared to accept that it may be an optical illusion of some sort -- but it's nothing to do with the sticker.
What are the spec differences?
Was Jonathan a bit nervous playing? These both sounded a bit underwhelming.
Wished you had put the tabs up 😂
Is there really a point of getting a custom shop then? Besides the obvious customization. I’m more of a stock reissue guy. I don’t like crazy finishes, custom necks etc. I’m guessing the custom shop will have lighter woods which is a deal breaker for me. I’d have to try them out and see
You prefer the heavier woods ?
I’ve had great light and heavy guitars. This light woods thing is a bit of a hype in my opinion. Of course maybe when you are 220 pounds and 6ft 2 then a 10 pound vs 7 pound guitar is not as big a deal
@@mohamedtlass3842 yeah i play 1-2 hour plus gigs sometimes. For me and many live players who stay standing weight is a big deal. Of course if you don’t play live and just okay at home/sitting I don’t see it being a problem. I personally am selective for weight not because of “tone/sustain” I used to have a Norlin Les Paul at 11.3 lbs. played and sounded amazing but I got rid of it in favor of a newer and better historic custom shop model. I’m curious with how the weights differ from the custom shop. Like I said if it’s similar then I see no reason for me to get a custom shop, as a humbucker guy
@@benallmark9671 no I don’t, lighter all the way
The pick ups on the original seem a bit weaker however they are 50 years old and probably degaussed from age and everything else. And the new one seem louder and more mid range again We are comparing a 50 year old pick up that’s been used and a brand new pick up so I’m assuming that the old guitarist sounded like the new one when it was brand new.
Are you playing Beat it?
What amp?
Aged wood ?!?!:)
Does the new one have a 3 bolt neck as well?
Yes.
the original has a little better sound, but what's the price difference!?
What would have really been a great video, is if you had played them without letting us see which was which.
The new 72 will sound like the old 72 fifty years from now... That's what time does to a guitar, more so if you play it a lot!
You sure picked a tough riff to start with lol
I'd take the Vintage II over the actual vintage any day. Superior build quality for much less $ 🤷♂️
The vintage one sounds better. Not $5K better, but better.
It will increase in value compared to the reissue as well
Funny how the original has a lighter neck tint than the reissue
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I could hear a difference. The original had a better sound to me.
The original 72 sounds a little better in my opinion 🤔
Day and Night, not slight at all, the Real 1972 all the way. The real question is whether the guitars influenced your playing. . .
In 2001, I had one of these. Mexican, I think?
Original sounds a little thicker.
If there's a difference I can't hear it.
The idea that you can tell any real difference through all the compression of listening to something over the internet is absurd.
If anything it means that if you can hear a difference through the TH-cam video then in person the difference are even more stark
@@dansands6363 I find that you lose all the dynamics and subtle details that make all the difference hearing things in person or through uncompressed recordings. The compression I’m talking about is different type of compression. It’s file compression where information is left out. You are fundamentally missing parts of the audio. Not compressing the signal like with a compressor pedal or compression on the board.
It’s the subtle differences of dynamics or the way the harmonics work together that you lose. I find that it’s those attributes that make different pedals so different. Since you’re losing out on that vital information, these demos are pretty useless. Even the guys at that pedal show, who have some of the better sound in this area, mention this quite often. I’ve bought pedals because of how they sounded on that show and when I get it home to play on it, it sounds completely different than I thought it would. Much darker or brighter, or more sizzle than I expected, things like this. Sometimes I’m pleasantly surprised, sometimes I’m really bummed. Though usually, if those guys recommend something, it’s usually really good.
It's about the presenters ears
The difference in input sound still yields differences after signal processing by youtube. Not all ears detect equally.
Good lord, look at the size of that neck pocket on the old one! Mine was like that. Terrible guitar.
02:44 WTF?
lol
and at 3:31...but I don't mind it at all. It's like it's in my hands 🤤