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Spraying Lacquer with HVLP | Step it Up
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Step up your wood finishing with an HVLP spray system. Chris and John from the Idaho Painter channel share some professional tips for spraying lacquer.
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Answers to common questions! 1) This was just a quick demo I asked Chris & John to do while they were painting my house. Normally they wear respirators. Always wear a respirator when spraying lacquer. 2) They are professionals and have expensive equipment but the techniques are the same as I use on my cheapie set-up. I use this $80 kit that has three spray guns: amzn.to/2k3GxgO along with my little $100 compressor. 3) I'll still use spray cans for small projects. They are so convenient!
Ahhhhh ha!.....so your house was freshly painted....not in purple I might add.
"I just think it looks a lot better than the inexpensive lacquers that come out of a spray can" Boom! Did you have to put a cut right there because in the very next frame the fight broke out? :)
Haha! Dem's fightin' words.
Steve Ramsey You might want to pin your comment to the top, Steve. That way people will be sure to see it when they scroll down to the comments.
Nice collaboration Steve!! Very informative, specially the cleaning bit at the end.
I tore out an old gas fireplace and put in a kitchen pantry where it stood. When it was time for painting the fresh drywall I watched some of Paint Life's videos for pointers. It's amazing how many others TH-cam channels you've come in contact with, Steve. Thank you for all you do and you've truly been paramount in my woodworking journey these last three years. Cheers.
Pro tip. Keep your turbine off the ground (on a spare 5 Gallon bucket) and as far away from your work area as possible. That way you avoid clogging your filters prematurely. One side of the Titan HVLP intakes air to cool the turbine, and the other side intakes air for the sprayer, so there is a lot of movement near the turbine unit. Keeping it out of the paint and overspray can help the filters last longer. I hope that helps someone. Oh, and Chris, It would be cool to see John on some more Idaho Painter videos! You guys should rename yourselves the TH-cam Painters. LOL Thank you for your continued good content. You have made me a better painter.
I didn't know this turbine for the spray gun. I like to learn new techniques. Thank you for sharing. Thanks to John and Chris for the great tips. Thanks to MicroJig for sponsoring the show.
Thanks for including the cleaning part! I always wanted to know how much effort this is.
Talk about timing! I was just about to hit the purchase button on another gun when I got the notification to this video. Watched it and changed my purchase. Thanks Steve!
Cool. I have a pretty cheap gun and it actually works pretty well with my compressor, but I definitely notice an improvement in the pro system like John was using here. Better adjustments and smoother flow of material.
Oh don't get me wrong, I clicked the link to the cheaper sprayer set you had in the description.
HVLP means High Volume Low Pressure. I noticed a higher pressure was used and faster spray pattern. By lowering the pressure and spraying slower, more material will stay on the surface and not bounce off into the air (atmosphere) as demonstrated here. Yes, It takes a little more time and attention to spray, but you will save in material cost in the end and get a thicker coat without repelling gas and material into the atmosphere. You can run the risk of runs with the slower technique, but practice makes perfect.
I personally like using the Lenmar UltraLaq when I spray cabinets, and I also use a compressor system, but I've been wanting to get an HVLP for a long time. These videos are awesome, keep up the great work!
I've been spraying Deft brushing lacquer for 25 years. I started with a siphon gun but learned how to use a gravity feed cup gun when I worked in the paint department of an auto factory. Love the cup gun! It works well for automotive lacquer as well as solvent based paints.
jimbooth3 I've been using Minwax clear brushing lacquer in my HF HVLP gun for years and it works beautifully. It's also good on tools to prevent oxidation. I have no idea why the can says to use only for brushing, but I spray flawless finishes with it consistently on wood or metal.
jimbooth3, i have the same product. What thinning ratio do you use?
taterman320241
Basically the brushing lacquers are Nitrocellulose lacquer ,what people use to finish guitars
taterman320241 good tip for me to know. Thanx
What ratio do you use to thin your Deft lacquer? Thx
I've been using that laquer for lots of years. that stuff is a big time saver. I use the Sherwood sealer 1 heavy coat then light sanding after 30 min the I spray the laquer. I also use a gravity hvlp 1.8mil tip for the sealer and 1.4mil tip for the laquer and I don't have to thin ennything out. it is a great product
Chris is the best, I always learn from his video's and tips, Thanks
Thanks...I'm glad you learn from my videos. Oh wait....different Chris....eh nevertheless...
I would say there are a couple more helpful TIPS to spraying lacquer that this video has overlooked. First, weather conditions. There are three weather conditions that need to be met when spraying lac, ESPECIALLY outdoors. First, the humidity needs to be less than 90%, the temperature and the dew point need to be at least 5 degrees apart and the temperature cannot be falling over the next 24 hours (falling as in, not rising back up). The finished lacquer pieces "GAS OFF" for hours, even up to several days. It is important that when gassing off, circulation of air continues and no pets or humans are in a closed area with the pieces. To avoid 'blushing' woods, especially dark stained wood, use a Lacquer Retardant. Just a capful in the cup. Strain lacquer before putting it in the cup. On vertical surfaces, spray a 'mist' or 'piss' coat, wait one minute and spray the heavy coat. It will create a matrix for the heavy coat to grab onto, and will prevent sagging and dripping. Remember that lacquer is very temperamental.
The last part, I spray the first coat, wait 1 minute and make another heavier coat? Like, while still wet?
@@ElLoyler095 You apply the "piss" coat by only pulling the trigger part of the way so it can put a light mist on the door. It will dry in a couple minutes and then you can apply a full heavy coat. Remember with lacquer, you are trying to create a "matrix" (the "droplets" of lacquer connecting to each other is what creates the strength and smoothness) and it must be a nice full coat with no holidays.
I have used a similar equipment for the last 25 years. Of course it´s a little more primitive, but it works in the same way. You can save almost 2/3 of the amount of lacquer to the same film thickness compared to a conventional air spraygun. great stuff!
Janne Bergstrom, Finland
As Steve pointed out, you can get excellent results with inexpensive equipment. I have an expensive Devillbiss HVLP gun that I can attach to a 1 quart pot or to my 2 1/2 gallon pressurized bulk tank depending on the size of project I have. I've also used my HF 1 pint gravity feed HVLP for smaller projects, as well as my HF cheapie airbrush for really small projects, in place of rattle cans. It's really more about the mix, the setup before hand, and technique than about the equipment. Adjusting the the mix of lacquer/thinner, airflow, fluid volume, the fan size and air pressure before the gun are paramount to good lacquer finishes. These are not all that difficult to get dialed in. Using some scrap cardboard as they did in the video helps a lot. I've used a small portable air compressor as well as my big shop compressor. Both were set up with canister filtration to remove oil and water so as not to contaminate the air hose and subsequently your lacquer. I also made up an inline, quick connect air regulator that I can connect right before my gun inlets. This is nothing more than a HF $15.00 pressure regulator with gauge and a male and female quick connect on either side. This saves in having to adjust the pressure at the air compressor and puts it right in your hand. My big 150 psi air compressor I keep set at 90 psi delivery to my shop. That's satisfactory to run all my air tools. With the inline regulator I can adjust as low as 5 psi or as high as line pressure. Most HVLP applications/guns only need 15-40 psi.
Nice tips... I build guitars and just started using a gun. Perfect timing for this video. Thanks Steve!!
Steve Ramsay aaaaaannnd Idaho painter in the same video. Wow!! Anyone looking into making a TH-cam chanel take notes from these 2 guys. Very informative. Thanks guys!
I have done a few projects with my HVLP sprayer, but I really try to avoid anything but water borne finishes. I recently remodelled nearly my entire house interior and I hand stained all my oak doors, then used General Finish water borne top coat. This worked very well and saved me a ton of time. The time is in the set-up and clean-up, applying the finish is so fast you feel guilty! I could have sprayed the stain, after thinning, but the stain is oil-based, and I just don't like putting that stuff on with my gun. If I had a second gun, then maybe I would, so that they would be separate.
Anyway, nice video, and thanks for putting it together.
I need to start using a sprayer. Seems like I could save a lot of time!!
Thanks for the video, those B&K guys really know their stuff. This helped answer all of the questions I had about hvlp systems.
John is a great presenter too!
I think he is a natural even though I kind of put him on the spot!
Love those guys. First saw them with Cody and Mrs. Wranglerstar. Thanks for the tips.
One of your best informative videos. I will be doing this on a book case soon. Thanks
Did not expect Idaho Painter to appear! Nice vid guys
Awesome video Steve! Big fan of you and Chris!
Very informative video. Thanks for sharing. I was surprised how short the distance is between the spray gun and the object to paint/spray. I would expect a longer distance.
I refinished all my doors using this method, same product. The issue I had was horizontal surface... it looked like crap. I was getting waves. I ended up standing everything vertical and the end product was much better. I was spraying straight lacquer, I didn't thin it and I believe that was the issue. I bought a cheap cup gun from Napa Auto Parts. I think I paid $45 and used my existing air compressor. Worked like a champ.
Hey Steve, great videos i've seen a lot of them...you are inspiring. I've been trying to make a backgammon board and screwed it up a few times. I couldn't find anyone else making one on youtube so i was relying on my own intuition. Would love to see you make one!
Great video, thanks for giving me good solid information. Please keep up the great work.
Great video Steve,and the projects!!
Great video I’m trying to start doing that the spray cans are getting expensive thanks love your video’s always informative thanks again
Great tips there, I have a really cheaper HVLP sprayer and I think I have used it once. Need to try again. I think
I like you bringing on pros to demo - great video!
Like the video Chris is a awesome painter 👍🏻 I usually spray with air on when cleaning out the gun use my finger to back up the fluid gets the little holes clean then I keep lacquer thinner in the cup throw the tip in there close it till the next time help is the only way to go
i am now gonna buy a HVLP sprayer. I actually heard the electric ones work pretty good.. but ive never tried either. much love
Matt Diresta I like the pneumatic ones better than the electric ones because I feel they are more consistent, lighter and easier to use. the electric one that I bought sucks. I'm used to using industrial sprayers from work and I wanted one to make easy work of a few projects at the house so I bought an all electric Wagner and I hated it. Even after practicing with it and trying to get the settings right, it just wouldn't give me the consistent quality that I would expect. And it was unbelievably loud.
If you are going to get one, I would invest in a pneumatic one or one with a turbine (like the one they used), a few rolls of plastic or several drop cloths and a really good respirator and painters coveralls.
A good, high quality gun could be the difference between an enjoyable experience and a disaster.
Kendra Gray thanks for the info. 😃
So when can we expect a spray booth build for your workshop?
I'm up for more finishing vids and less projects for a while. Keep em coming! Very good demo.
You have to do a video on fishing rod holders. Great channel man!!
That was extremely helpful. Thank you!
Nice Projekt ! Very informative :)
Thanks for a great insight. I really learned a lot in 10 minutes.
Thanks Steve. Knew about the cleaning part put learned something new about leaving it in the can! Is there anything special to doing polyurethane?
Awesome explanation cant wait to get mine started
Great info and a great guest. Like his channel
Man what a sick collaboration both you guys 👌👍
Great video. Any clear lacquer recommended to seal a latex paint job?
Great video fun seeing you guys together. Could you maybe do a video on a small self contained HVLP unit not a commercial unit like the one you used?
Great stuff as always!
Great info, thanks for sharing!
Awesome video. The Idaho Painter is the best!
I used a sprayer to paint a room about 1y ago. I spent as much time cleaning as I did painting and since havent touched to spray system. Their cleanup seems very quick and easy... Maybe its just professionals vs me.
Good video. When you use lacquer what speed do you use on the sprayer. Low or high I mean ( I or II )
7:46 "a little bit of laquer thinner" lol that was a huge bit!
I really need to get one of these! 🤓👍🏼
Great video. Very informative
Thank you, l love your guidance
Great info ! it's pretty much what do and it really that easy. Good stuff guys.
Great video - thanks for sharing
thanks for posting how long is it safe to be around laquered painted objects?
A couple of points:
1. Rockler makes the Paint pouring lid thingy. It's a life saver for pouring lacquer from a Gal to a gun can.
2. Sherwood Pre-Cat Hi-Bild is awesome.
3. Yes you can keep lacquer in the gun for some time. And yes it'll get a little crusty, but in the end if you just clean out the needle point you'll be fine.
Thanks Joel. Good tips!
Joel Crawford you don't want to touch the needle unless you absolutely have to, if something even slightly bends on the the whole nozzle needs to be replaced
Where can you find sher-wood hibild precat these days?
Impressive stuff Steve. But for us hobbyists who only occasionally want to spray lacquer, I reckon the can off the shelf is the go. Sooo simple :)
I love your microjig segways
seigeengine I digress
The important thing about that that segues is...Microjig, maker of the grr-ripper
Hey did u put finish over the sticker and knots?
I meaning you explain very well all te process. But look spray over it.... Though
Excellent video!!! Thanks
I have a 20 gallons compresor , can I still spray lacquer on cabinets with it?
So many legends in this video.
I may have missed it, but did you mention tip/nozzle size for the spray gun? A what about a small touch-up gun for smaller jobs when you don't want to mix up a quart? Great video, thanks for the info.
This is a good demonstration, would add that a sanding sealer step might be necessary, and appropriate respirators and protective gear are important. Most of the solvents can leach not only into mucous membranes in mouth, nose and eyes, but also through the skin. For diy'ers, it might be important to promote the practice of reading and following MSDS sheets for all volatile organic based coatings.
Nice demo. I use lots of spray lacquer in can. I need to consider investing in HVLP. By the way, painting must be a serious workout. Chris has some major guns going on.
This is a beautiful system. It's on the price side. Amazon has a Titan Capspray 115 Fine-Finish HVLP Paint Sprayer for $1,899.00, date February 27, 2017.
Great video buddy!
Those microjig bits , always get me! :D
I was hoping that at the end that he would spray the lacquer thinner over fire.
How long to wait to recoat and how long have you got (approx) before you need to clean the spay gun - esp in between coats?
That's the start of what I was looking for. I have a Capspray 115 and 2 maxum elite guns. and in a similar vein as a CNC tutorial, I need a "feeds and speeds" tutorial for HVLP. This was a taste if that using laquer, how about oil base vs latex, can you use both in the same gun? I'm sure it would be cleaned in between but can that cleaning technique use here be trusted if you are switching paints?
Good q's you ask, I am still learning the hard way too. Learned 1 ton from this vid and some of Matt lange's vids.
I have a faux bamboo set from the 70s with original finish. It's smooth like a countertop. I've painted furniture but never lacquer. I want to do the blue lacquer with a glassy high gloss shine. Do I need to lightly sand, prime? Does lacquer need any prep like paint? This is a very smooth piece. Like laminate almost. Sorry for all the questions. Can't seem to find anyone who knows.
can i use a 1.2mm air nozzle from a conventional HVLP on an air compressor? or should i use a larger nozzle?
Can I leave the thinner inside the sprayer for storage? I have a gravity feed hvlp compressor sprayer.
Exactly what i needed.
Like the gun you guys use. Looks better than mine. I'd only add that I flow my material thru a cone strainer into my cup and also hold the gun parallel to the vertical surfaces rather than rocking up and down.Otherwise, good video.
After spraying cabinets with Sherwin Williams Pre cat lacquer , the cabinet surface had a gritty feel, can I wet sand with 900 grit to smooth the finish?
What if you were to use water / oil based poly in an HVLP? Would you clean the same way? Or is there a different type of liquid cleaner you’d used instead of lacquer thinner? I’m assuming paint you’d clean with paint thinner?? Poly ... mineral spirits??
original box cool ))
Are you going to be in the Maker Fair in Bay Area in May? I'm from Argentina and I'm planning to go and meet you!!!
Can I use a plastic HVLP sprayer like my HomeRite sprayer that I use for paint, or will the lacquer eat the plastic?
Hey Steve shinie glossy coat nice , where is the Idaho painter from ?
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We need the amateur version!!! I have a cheap harbor freight gun, waiting on your video!!!
This kind of IS. lol
You definitely should have gotten a WWMM tattoo on your arm standing next to those guys. (Even a temp. tattoo that you had spray painted on with a stencil before they arrived.) All the cool woodworkers have them now!!!
What about the smell and venting if I did it indoors in the basement? How flammable is this?
Very informative indeed. But it looks like you have to use quite a lot of chemicals in order to thin the lacker and wash the whole setup afterwards. How toxic is this thinner? How do you dispose of it?
What causes a dull finish after a coat of varnish? I used varnish over some English Chestnut stain and it dulled the finish. What is recommended to finish to a nice gloss finish?
If someone wears glasses will regular lacquer use ruin their glasses? If so is there any kind of protection for glasses that they can use?
very informative !!
What about a two-pak clear?
Is this ok for a hardwood
Nice tips!!!
there is any link for purchasing in india such type of products if yes please mention !!
Please, please tell me that this new spray system will make things extra, EXTRA fancy
oh its nice ideas and how to Learn how to use that spray gun
Will this gun fit American turbine system? Looks like the same fitting on bottom.thanks
Idaho painter,i love them
Hvlp gun stands for high volume low pressure, with that said the liquid cup is above the gun (I use them all the time doing auto body) what you have here is a siphon gun
Not an expert but with all the reading there are HVLP siphon guns. The issue there is the high pressure - that's not low pressure anymore.
Thanks for the demo. I tried using a sprayer. It works fine, although you have to fiddle with it to get the right pattern. And it takes some practice to avoid runs. And cleanup can take about as much time as the actual spraying. And then you have all the waste solvent to store. And then unless you do a lot of it, the finish material gets out of date.Soooo, I use water based poly and wipe it on with an old sock. Sock goes into a baggie between coats.
Pete M
A sock?
cotton. with holes! I've used paper towels on small surfaces (but it abrades rather quickly).