the problem, at least with most of the variants, is that they pumped all their new ideas into them, so they just feel strictly better, and the old ones more generic. like, abassid has the wings, but ayyubid has twice the wings and way more unique units. and more new stuff = more potentially broken stuff. same with ZXI. the whole point of the dynasties was to unlock the more powerful units but ZXI throws that restriction out the window on top of adding even more silly stuff. And the first dynasty straight up allowing age rushes just looks like a terrible idea. JD also makes french just feel redundant. maybe if they didn't get knights in feudal, or they just had a worse overall eco it'd be one thing, but they have nearly everything except for the faster villagers. the eco building cost reduction for french is almost completely irrelevant. They're all quite neat, but it makes the originals feel pointless.
Can anyone recommend a good 4v4 build? I've not played in a few years and china seems really bad now even their siege gets beaten now... Kinda overwhelming all these new races, not sure i wanna pay for DLC or not are the new races OP?
Me, as a complete beginner, wondering why RUS is so high up. I don't see anything speaking for them beside the cabin, which other factions have better ways for.
@@Rub-A-Duck they have the highest range springalds (I think only mongols can have more range). Also their age 3 landmark gives them a ton of food. And they have a lot of eco bonuses with bounty and wood gathering bonus. Just overall a really strong civ.
@@Rub-A-Duck they are just not as straightforward and their early game is a bit hard but their eco is really good because they can get a second TC early on gold without farming it from animals to age up all the while being protected by the kremlin
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the civs you''ve tiered. Like what you think should be nerfed on the 'S' tier list, what should be tweaked on the 'A' and 'B' tier list, and what should be buffed on the 'C' tier list.
I think JPN and OOD are just weak because of their early games. Their late game is pretty good since their units rock. Jean I'd say could be placed higher since she is so cheesy and can pull some crazy shit unless the opponent plays perfectly against Jean. I also think Abba could be in B tier. Fresh foodstuffs is still too good. They need to nerf that tech. Maybe 20-30% off would be good. Not an entire 50%. I'm not sure about Rus because I just leave the game when I see Rus. It's way too tiring to micro two scouts and get stressed over deer and wolves. Otherwise I agree with your tier list. I'm in conq1-2 and all I see are zhuxi. Of course I see a lot of JPN and BYZ since people are trying them out, but ZX man.. its just too juicy. Meditation garden needs a NERF.
JPN lategame is indeed strong, but ootd? They are terrible in lategame, 2nd worst after delhi and its only because of culverins which might turn tides with mangonels. Witouth siege superiority, delhi xbows and handcannons destroys everything what what ootd have.
OOTD has the best pop-capped lategame in the game since their villagers are all better than every other civ. Plus they have gigachad army. @@MrRealPrezes
@@trentwearsfape because they are gigachad, there are actually worse, due to massive overkilling of range units. And if we compare gigachad vill which gathers ~37% faster, while HRE gets 50%, and in case of food collection, abbasids and china gets way, way more, it doesnt look that good anymore.
Zhu Xi lategame is really bad. They get no effect from Age IV Landmark. You need to build the one that lets you research 2 techs. And that one does nothing until you invest 1000 ressources. Zhu Xi has no Handcannoneers. The Crossbows and ZGN are still inferior even with the extra bolts tech (which is almost a scam in itself given how little bonus damage it adds). But without it you have no competitive ranged units in Age IV against other factions Age IV units. Meanwhile other factions get Landmarks that actually do something without investing 1000 ressources. Example: HRE villager printer. French Castle with Crossbow bolts. Or any other Age IV Landmark. How can Zhu Xi be considered S tier like this? Delhi used to be great, but they had virtually no Age IV at one point because it took to long. Zhu Xi is similar, it is very weak in early Age IV. Palace Guards do not have +30 HP upgrade, making them one of the worst MAA in the game. The only good unit are the unique cav, which got already nerfed.
No effect? You get the most cost efficient cav unit in the game from your Age IV landmark, and a 20% damage boost on top of it. LOL. Xbows getting nearly 50% extra damage while costing much less than Hand cannons is not a scam. No competitive units? NOB with +15% extra damage would like a word. Your Palace Guards also get +15% extra damage and self healing in Age IV. I mean seriously you have a broken civ and you are crying about your broken units not being broken enough LOL.
@@Nickball97 Yes you have correcrly identified that Zhu Xi is indeed a much better aggressive civ! But this is already known. So there is no reason to bring it up.
Lucifron tier list was significantly different, I think. It's a good thing that top players can have significant difference in opinion.
Agreed!
The Beasty impersonation at the start was top tier. Easy S tier
Beastyqt not seeing OotD as bottom tier civ seems to be the outlier.
Lucifron and puppypaw even saw OotD as the worst.
Bro fix your mic monitoring I hear you salivating
it is so nice listening to you
the problem, at least with most of the variants, is that they pumped all their new ideas into them, so they just feel strictly better, and the old ones more generic. like, abassid has the wings, but ayyubid has twice the wings and way more unique units. and more new stuff = more potentially broken stuff. same with ZXI. the whole point of the dynasties was to unlock the more powerful units but ZXI throws that restriction out the window on top of adding even more silly stuff. And the first dynasty straight up allowing age rushes just looks like a terrible idea. JD also makes french just feel redundant. maybe if they didn't get knights in feudal, or they just had a worse overall eco it'd be one thing, but they have nearly everything except for the faster villagers. the eco building cost reduction for french is almost completely irrelevant. They're all quite neat, but it makes the originals feel pointless.
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As long as we agreed that Zu Xi is OP ad Abbasid is Trash, we re okay
Can anyone recommend a good 4v4 build? I've not played in a few years and china seems really bad now even their siege gets beaten now... Kinda overwhelming all these new races, not sure i wanna pay for DLC or not are the new races OP?
You got Ottoman way too low brother they are easily the best civ
There are Sandmans on the background? (L)
Ayubbids are not that strong
Me, as a complete beginner, wondering why RUS is so high up. I don't see anything speaking for them beside the cabin, which other factions have better ways for.
Early knights. Very strong late game with the best siege kind of and streltzy.
@@caspuchiha best siege? Have to look it up. But knights early are countered by the cheapest unit spearmen + I would choose France over it?
@@Rub-A-Duck they have the highest range springalds (I think only mongols can have more range). Also their age 3 landmark gives them a ton of food. And they have a lot of eco bonuses with bounty and wood gathering bonus. Just overall a really strong civ.
@@caspuchiha guess I haven't played enough to see their benefits 😅
I tried them vs a bot. Other civs are more my style I guess
@@Rub-A-Duck they are just not as straightforward and their early game is a bit hard but their eco is really good because they can get a second TC early on gold without farming it from animals to age up all the while being protected by the kremlin
My man
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the civs you''ve tiered. Like what you think should be nerfed on the 'S' tier list, what should be tweaked on the 'A' and 'B' tier list, and what should be buffed on the 'C' tier list.
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I think JPN and OOD are just weak because of their early games. Their late game is pretty good since their units rock.
Jean I'd say could be placed higher since she is so cheesy and can pull some crazy shit unless the opponent plays perfectly against Jean.
I also think Abba could be in B tier. Fresh foodstuffs is still too good. They need to nerf that tech. Maybe 20-30% off would be good. Not an entire 50%.
I'm not sure about Rus because I just leave the game when I see Rus. It's way too tiring to micro two scouts and get stressed over deer and wolves.
Otherwise I agree with your tier list. I'm in conq1-2 and all I see are zhuxi. Of course I see a lot of JPN and BYZ since people are trying them out, but ZX man.. its just too juicy. Meditation garden needs a NERF.
JPN lategame is indeed strong, but ootd? They are terrible in lategame, 2nd worst after delhi and its only because of culverins which might turn tides with mangonels. Witouth siege superiority, delhi xbows and handcannons destroys everything what what ootd have.
OOTD has the best pop-capped lategame in the game since their villagers are all better than every other civ. Plus they have gigachad army. @@MrRealPrezes
@@trentwearsfape because they are gigachad, there are actually worse, due to massive overkilling of range units. And if we compare gigachad vill which gathers ~37% faster, while HRE gets 50%, and in case of food collection, abbasids and china gets way, way more, it doesnt look that good anymore.
The winrate stats do not reflect your opinions at all. Ottomans and Joan at A tier lmao.
Your microphone volume is way too low. Hard to hear you with headphones in the public transport.
Zhu Xi lategame is really bad. They get no effect from Age IV Landmark. You need to build the one that lets you research 2 techs. And that one does nothing until you invest 1000 ressources.
Zhu Xi has no Handcannoneers. The Crossbows and ZGN are still inferior even with the extra bolts tech (which is almost a scam in itself given how little bonus damage it adds). But without it you have no competitive ranged units in Age IV against other factions Age IV units.
Meanwhile other factions get Landmarks that actually do something without investing 1000 ressources. Example: HRE villager printer. French Castle with Crossbow bolts. Or any other Age IV Landmark.
How can Zhu Xi be considered S tier like this? Delhi used to be great, but they had virtually no Age IV at one point because it took to long. Zhu Xi is similar, it is very weak in early Age IV. Palace Guards do not have +30 HP upgrade, making them one of the worst MAA in the game. The only good unit are the unique cav, which got already nerfed.
Why would you reach late game if you can kill everyone by the 5 min mark
Are you a Zhu Xi player and feel offended? 😂
No effect? You get the most cost efficient cav unit in the game from your Age IV landmark, and a 20% damage boost on top of it. LOL.
Xbows getting nearly 50% extra damage while costing much less than Hand cannons is not a scam.
No competitive units? NOB with +15% extra damage would like a word.
Your Palace Guards also get +15% extra damage and self healing in Age IV.
I mean seriously you have a broken civ and you are crying about your broken units not being broken enough LOL.
Lmao found a sushi player
@@Nickball97
Yes you have correcrly identified that Zhu Xi is indeed a much better aggressive civ! But this is already known. So there is no reason to bring it up.