This has been debated for eons. Short and simple do what works for you. I've done both, currently I'm an arm swinger and my wrists unhinging give me my strike. It works for me.
The newer videos, as I understand them, do not focus on rotating the wrist but, extending the trail arm. This, by default, makes the wrist rotate through the hitting area properly and gives maximum arc to the downswing. This maximum arc leads to greater swing speed. I have found trying the "time" wrist rotation leads to inconsistency. Just extend the right (trail) arm and let it go!!!
This idea was tried and discredited decades ago. Ben Hogan talked it and warned against using it. It was shown to increase clubhead speed, but it will totally destroy your direction and trajectory control - especially under pressure.
And thus I can achieve my desired results without putting stress on my hips or back or knees or neck, or really have pretty much a tension free swing without any damage occuring to my body and still creating good club head speed and be able to hit high draws and fades, and with a little more though I can figure out how to hit low shots with good clubhead speed with no damage to the body and do so with some minor adjustments to what I have alread written, with some minor adjustments and still be able to release the club up by the left lead foot, and all I have to do is generate a tiny bit more of shaft lean at impact without having to make hardley any major adjustments. And what I mentioned about sticking out the left butt while the clubhead is in the impact zone is now not neccesary and by pivoting about the right trial balls of my right foot and shortly after pivoting about my left lead heel, I can avoid any damage to my body at impact and still achieve all of my goals stated before about hitting powerful high draws, high fades and high straight shots, and by changing some of the timing I should be able to hit powerful low shots that can fade or draw or go straight. I guess if I want to hit how shots in the wind or under a branch I can do everything mentioned above, and go ahead and stick my left lead butt check out so that it moves slightly away from the ball and the target line, but this time I will be pivoting the weight on my left lead heel and at the same time pivot the weight on my trial rights side about the right trail balls or toes and in so doing I can flight a lower trajectory by sticking my left lead butt away from the target line and ball, and by doing the proper pivots on each foot I can prevent damage to my knees and hips and lower back. All the while I am still generating good club head speed because the clubhead release will occur towards the front of my stance near my left foot.
If you ever watch the PGA pro teachers play most of them get stuck and release the club head early with the ball back in their stance like the guy in the video we are watching, If you watch the new Bobby Jones commercial for the new utility wood, all the people swinging in that commercial release the club early with the ball too far back in their stance with their left lead shoulder socket behind where the ball is, so basically PGA teaching pros and the people in the Bobby Jones commercial for the utility wood they are selling all hit the ball like the guy in this video from a stall and release that is too far back in the stance and with the hands at release that are further away from the target than the ball is. Pros that play proffesionally on the PGA tour rarely play the game with swing like this guy is teaching us in this video we are watching here on youtube. So basically most pga teaching pros play from stuck and early release with loss of clubhead speed and little ability to hit any kind of draw or fade with any kind of consistency.
Although I wrote a lot about how to hit high shot from the position where the butt and the lower back and upper back are facing the target at the top of the backswing, I prefer hitting from a non stuck topswing in which I only turn my shoulders during my backswing and pretty much my belly button and chest are facing the target with maybe 10 degrees rotation of my belly button in the backswing and maybe a 20 degree rotation of my chest in my backswing, and this is a swing mostly powered by my shoulder and arms and not powered by an uncoiling by the torso and hips. In my preferred swing where uncoiling is not the source of power very much, the power I lose with my preferred swing can be made up by increasing the length of the shafts on all of clubs. I use to play with a Driver that had an extra long shaft and I had no problems with accuracy.
And another method I just realised on how to uncoil from the top of the backswing is very simple is simply to get all of your weight onto your left lead leg and to simply straighten your entire body and as you uncoil to tilt your spine slightly away from the target. Of course I am not sure that would work very well for difficult situation like long bunker shots or on sidehill lies, however it might be something I saw Rory Mckelroy do and I think the guy in the video we are watching on the Truth about Clubhead speed could do is to coil his body with the weight over his trail right foot and then as a first move on his downswing to move most of his weight to the lead left foot, and then as he uncoils his body straighten his knees hips and his spine. I have tried this method in the past but I failed to shift my weight to my lead left side before I uncoiled. For me if I have a large backswing coil I have trouble shifting my weight and uncoiling simultaneously, and for me I have to shift almost all of my weight to my lead left leg, and then uncoil as my body straightens and becomes more vertical. And as I mentioned before I like to do some body weight rotation about my left lead heel and my right trail toes. So for me the more I coil on the backswing the more I have to transfer almost all of my weight onto my left lead foot before I uncoil and the more I would have to do significant rotation on my left lead heel and a lot of rotation with my right trail balls of my feet by my toes and the more I would have to straighten my body in order to get my hands and grip of the club to travel up and left as I get close to impact all so that I can get the clubhead to release down the target line with good clubhead speed and still retain the capacity to hit high draws and high fades as a main objective. Also with the Driver I setup with my right trail foot pulled back from the target line at setup, because with the longer shaft and longer backswing coil, once I have my weight to the lead left side the more I pivot on the left lead heel and the more I increase the amount of pivot about my right trail balls and toes. And the shorter the iron the less I coil my body and the more I use my shoulders and arms to generate clubhead speed. And as with all of my swings I was taught no matter which club I am using or how I generate club head speed my hands and grip need to travel up and left when I am in the impact zone and that allows me to release the clubhead down the target line.
And another thing I just realised for all of my swing I am thinking I should add to my swing is that the more I coil on the backswing and possibly with all of my swing I should shift my weight towards the target but before I uncoil I also need to have my left lead knee to be rotated towards the target significantly to take stress off of my lead left knee and to stop my left lead hip from being the part of my body that is closest to the target when in the impact zone, and then my left lead knee will be the closest body part to the target and this forward knee position will help my hips to unwind properly so that the hips do not get injuredd
rey sison the body rotation is what moves the arms which moves the club. But that doesn’t mean you want to keep spinning your body through the shot. A baseball pitcher and batter both have their hips and shoulders stop turning to allow that energy transfer to the arms and club
The wrists and forearms rotate together due to the distal radioulnar joint, which facilitates supination and pronation. Of course there various muscles that aid the rotation of the wrist and the forearm together. - Chris Tyler
RotarySwing.com Golf Instruction I agree with the approach in the video but the wrist can rotate around 180 degrees or so without the forearm moving much at all. Just put a pen mark on the forearm to prove this. The forearm however cannot rotate without the wrist moving a corresponding number of degrees.
This has been debated for eons.
Short and simple do what works for you.
I've done both, currently I'm an arm swinger and my wrists unhinging give me my strike. It works for me.
The newer videos, as I understand them, do not focus on rotating the wrist but, extending the trail arm. This, by default, makes the wrist rotate through the hitting area properly and gives maximum arc to the downswing. This maximum arc leads to greater swing speed. I have found trying the "time" wrist rotation leads to inconsistency. Just extend the right (trail) arm and let it go!!!
Whip action. Mike Austin preached this. It does work.
Four years later and all golfers should watch this
This is a masterclass thank you
This idea was tried and discredited decades ago. Ben Hogan talked it and warned against using it. It was shown to increase clubhead speed, but it will totally destroy your direction and trajectory control - especially under pressure.
And thus I can achieve my desired results without putting stress on my hips or back or knees or neck, or really have pretty much a tension free swing without any damage occuring to my body and still creating good club head speed and be able to hit high draws and fades, and with a little more though I can figure out how to hit low shots with good clubhead speed with no damage to the body and do so with some minor adjustments to what I have alread written, with some minor adjustments and still be able to release the club up by the left lead foot, and all I have to do is generate a tiny bit more of shaft lean at impact without having to make hardley any major adjustments.
And what I mentioned about sticking out the left butt while the clubhead is in the impact zone is now not neccesary and by pivoting about the right trial balls of my right foot and shortly after pivoting about my left lead heel, I can avoid any damage to my body at impact and still achieve all of my goals stated before about hitting powerful high draws, high fades and high straight shots, and by changing some of the timing I should be able to hit powerful low shots that can fade or draw or go straight.
I guess if I want to hit how shots in the wind or under a branch I can do everything mentioned above, and go ahead and stick my left lead butt check out so that it moves slightly away from the ball and the target line, but this time I will be pivoting the weight on my left lead heel and at the same time pivot the weight on my trial rights side about the right trail balls or toes and in so doing I can flight a lower trajectory by sticking my left lead butt away from the target line and ball, and by doing the proper pivots on each foot I can prevent damage to my knees and hips and lower back. All the while I am still generating good club head speed because the clubhead release will occur towards the front of my stance near my left foot.
If you ever watch the PGA pro teachers play most of them get stuck and release the club head early with the ball back in their stance like the guy in the video we are watching, If you watch the new Bobby Jones commercial for the new utility wood, all the people swinging in that commercial release the club early with the ball too far back in their stance with their left lead shoulder socket behind where the ball is, so basically PGA teaching pros and the people in the Bobby Jones commercial for the utility wood they are selling all hit the ball like the guy in this video from a stall and release that is too far back in the stance and with the hands at release that are further away from the target than the ball is. Pros that play proffesionally on the PGA tour rarely play the game with swing like this guy is teaching us in this video we are watching here on youtube. So basically most pga teaching pros play from stuck and early release with loss of clubhead speed and little ability to hit any kind of draw or fade with any kind of consistency.
Although I wrote a lot about how to hit high shot from the position where the butt and the lower back and upper back are facing the target at the top of the backswing, I prefer hitting from a non stuck topswing in which I only turn my shoulders during my backswing and pretty much my belly button and chest are facing the target with maybe 10 degrees rotation of my belly button in the backswing and maybe a 20 degree rotation of my chest in my backswing, and this is a swing mostly powered by my shoulder and arms and not powered by an uncoiling by the torso and hips. In my preferred swing where uncoiling is not the source of power very much, the power I lose with my preferred swing can be made up by increasing the length of the shafts on all of clubs. I use to play with a Driver that had an extra long shaft and I had no problems with accuracy.
And another method I just realised on how to uncoil from the top of the backswing is very simple is simply to get all of your weight onto your left lead leg and to simply straighten your entire body and as you uncoil to tilt your spine slightly away from the target. Of course I am not sure that would work very well for difficult situation like long bunker shots or on sidehill lies, however it might be something I saw Rory Mckelroy do and I think the guy in the video we are watching on the Truth about Clubhead speed could do is to coil his body with the weight over his trail right foot and then as a first move on his downswing to move most of his weight to the lead left foot, and then as he uncoils his body straighten his knees hips and his spine. I have tried this method in the past but I failed to shift my weight to my lead left side before I uncoiled. For me if I have a large backswing coil I have trouble shifting my weight and uncoiling simultaneously, and for me I have to shift almost all of my weight to my lead left leg, and then uncoil as my body straightens and becomes more vertical. And as I mentioned before I like to do some body weight rotation about my left lead heel and my right trail toes. So for me the more I coil on the backswing the more I have to transfer almost all of my weight onto my left lead foot before I uncoil and the more I would have to do significant rotation on my left lead heel and a lot of rotation with my right trail balls of my feet by my toes and the more I would have to straighten my body in order to get my hands and grip of the club to travel up and left as I get close to impact all so that I can get the clubhead to release down the target line with good clubhead speed and still retain the capacity to hit high draws and high fades as a main objective.
Also with the Driver I setup with my right trail foot pulled back from the target line at setup, because with the longer shaft and longer backswing coil, once I have my weight to the lead left side the more I pivot on the left lead heel and the more I increase the amount of pivot about my right trail balls and toes. And the shorter the iron the less I coil my body and the more I use my shoulders and arms to generate clubhead speed. And as with all of my swings I was taught no matter which club I am using or how I generate club head speed my hands and grip need to travel up and left when I am in the impact zone and that allows me to release the clubhead down the target line.
And another thing I just realised for all of my swing I am thinking I should add to my swing is that the more I coil on the backswing and possibly with all of my swing I should shift my weight towards the target but before I uncoil I also need to have my left lead knee to be rotated towards the target significantly to take stress off of my lead left knee and to stop my left lead hip from being the part of my body that is closest to the target when in the impact zone, and then my left lead knee will be the closest body part to the target and this forward knee position will help my hips to unwind properly so that the hips do not get injuredd
Very Good
Makes sense
So...Flip it at impact??
So why call yourselves RotarySwing.com?
rey sison the body rotation is what moves the arms which moves the club. But that doesn’t mean you want to keep spinning your body through the shot. A baseball pitcher and batter both have their hips and shoulders stop turning to allow that energy transfer to the arms and club
It is NOT rotating the wrist is is rotation the underarms sorry
The wrists and forearms rotate together due to the distal radioulnar joint, which facilitates supination and pronation. Of course there various muscles that aid the rotation of the wrist and the forearm together. - Chris Tyler
RotarySwing.com Golf Instruction I agree with the approach in the video but the wrist can rotate around 180 degrees or so without the forearm moving much at all. Just put a pen mark on the forearm to prove this. The forearm however cannot rotate without the wrist moving a corresponding number of degrees.