SOUTH of INDIA has ALWAYS been a (underrated- underplayed) TREASURE TROVE Of these Hidden “RARE GEMS”!!TMK just PROVES it on Our face ‼️‼️ HUGE RESPECT TMK Acharaya 🙌🏼😌♥️🙏🏼
Well explained Masterji 😊 when structures are well understood, variations can be created as one's own unique impression. As a novice to fit into a structure is more challenging because with the understanding of how sounds in the form of swaras work gives you the liberty to actually not want to follow the structure rather use the sound to create different musical expressions, this is my take on it as a enthusiast, thank you so much for your informative videos with examples👏🏼🙏🏽😊
Wonderful Knowledge & it will spread to listeners too.. Great if T.M.K. Sir... saved part -1 to listen Again & Again...waiting to have part too .. as early as possible. Thanks for bringing this part of Manodharma... Best Regards. Veena. Vidhushi . Radhasrisailam.
Wonderful speech on Manodharma. His oratorial capacity is as best as his music. A real genius. Arun prakash playing on mridangam when Krishna sings Ramanannubrovara in the lower octave is so rhythemic and pleasing to hear. A nice team on the whole
Some people want to remain the Carnatic music unexplained and keep it 'sacred'. They want their 'enjoyment' to be reserved for some class of society. The frustration of losing that class nature of Carnatic music can be seen here. Further, He is stating how creativity in Carnatic music works dear 'Carnatic music lovers'.
😀😀😀😀😀😀😀I am very happy now...I was eagerly waiting for this ...... Was So Fortunate To Experience This Wonderful Lec-Dem Live ...Being There.....😊😊😊😊😊 04:47-09:07 True....
What evr his politics he is a GRT artist of high caliber. His Ragam Tanam pallavi is always wonderful just like Pt. Ajay Chakrabortys I feel Manodarma is just like GHARAANA
I think it is essential even for artist to know what manodarma or creative freedom is in their respective art. But ultimately it ends up being a question of choosing a point between left and right for a personal representation of what the art is to them. And of course the point might evolve along time. For instance TMK in his early career would have been a perfect example of far right person with his manodarma having a bit of "less freedom" (nonetheless aesthetically amazing) and has evolved into more left. These kind of metamorphosis, I think, oftentimes involve more self contemplation than musical maturity (be it moving from left to right or right to left). Its amazing to be in an era where you have an example of these kind of evolution. This is in contrast to say the Baby boomers or generation X where there where dominated by artists of far right and thus the larger listening crowd is aesthetically accustomed to a more structured music. Of course by the looks of it, it seems like Ariyakudi had probably moved across the spectrum too by various ideas of his own. But it would be interesting to see TMK's views on an extreme far left "carnatic" artists (I don't know of any yet). PS: ignore the semantics and spellings !
TMK indeed is special and genius. The real beauty is his analytical mind and expression. Amazing. We are all lucky to listen to this great human being and artist
🙏. மிகவும் அருமை. மீண்டும் உங்க programme கேட்கும் போது ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நிறைய விஷயங்களைப் பகிர்வும். தயவு செய்து தமிழில் விளக்கம் குடுத்தால் எல்லோருக்கும் புரியும். இது என்னுடைய பணிவான வேண்டுகோள். 🙏
Some of these north/south Indian differences in aesthetics are valid ones that can be borrowed from each other. They are not all rubbish as TMK says. For example: Hindustani music explores the slower, less-information-loaded melody with sufficient silences. We know several musicians, TMK included, that love that kind of aesthetic. Similarly North Indian Gharanas differ in how much they stick to the beats vs goof around them and come to Sam. TMK talks about composition as a possibility that people create variations on. However, there is a degree to which people take freedoms in changing the composition. HM folks take the most freedom, but Carnatic musicians differ greatly on how much to stick to their Guru's version vs take liberties. Same with taking liberties on the taal - TMK himself takes considerable liberties on taal compared to say his Guru when singing a composition. Point being: digging deeper into the underlying aesthetics between the two traditions might give possibilities of borrowing aesthetics in a subtle way.
Speed is relative, atleast in Carnatic, what we call "kāla" is. You can be as slow as you want in Carnatic. I honestly never understood this argument. It seems rather rudimentary.
I Think The Problem Happens for the letter 'ச'....because It can be pronounced as Sa, Sha, Cha, Ja...Whenever A Sanskrit Or Telugu or any Non-Tamil Composition Is Written In Pure Tamil Script, this kind of problems happen......always happen.....
Madhuritu Chakraborty. Not necessarily. Carnatic music is about Bhakti and the basis is lyrics. Music is secondary. So a musician is supposed to learn the language, understand what is being said. Then their musical skill will dither embellish the lyric
@@comm2005 though this comment is not for me, I want to reply. The moment you say Carnatic 'music', music gains more importance(atleast that is what most people think). Only a few tend to think about the importance of the music and lyrics. Maybe TMK learnt this song when he was younger and this is how it was taught to him. Madhuritu Chakraborty's comment is acceptable only because I have faced the problem many times(because I have a practice of writing songs in Tamil only. For me, English seems weird)
it is not " Prema meera nelakuchunde" insted it should be " Prema meera Melaguchunde". ( melaguchunde means - to roam about, to wander-in this keerthana it exactly means residing) One moving about (melagucuNDE) very (mIra) lovingly (prEma) in the ants (cImalO) as also in the Trinity - brahmA (brahmalO), Siva and vishNu (kESava) - and others. There is no word " NELAGA or NELAGI" in telugu. Yes word "VELUGU" is there which is a noun (not verb) which mens - light, brightness, shining, lustre, splendor etc., Please hear once again your guruji Shambamgudi garu : th-cam.com/video/M2bVeT6GyT8/w-d-xo.html also Nithya Sri : th-cam.com/video/jRLLM6kf_DU/w-d-xo.html by Malladi brothers : th-cam.com/video/O_K4k3QlEoA/w-d-xo.html by Sudha rangunathan : th-cam.com/video/qIAhYdfQ9oc/w-d-xo.html
I urge people here to google about him and if you really love Carnatic Music - boycott all the musicians of his like who pollute Carnatic music. These guys will do anything for money or cheap publicity.
Yes one could agree with the objection that some words of the sahitya are wrongly represented by Vidwan T M Krishna. ...but the so corrected word like.. cheemalo ..seems to be an aberration of Shiva lo....Brahmanoo. But the fact remains that. Sri TMKRISHNA is making an earnest effort to bring out the musical merits of CARNATIC and the Hindustani systems of Indian Classical music. WHY OBJECT TO THAT??
@@kkbhatta Looks like you haven't read the comments this rogue made on Hinduism and Hindus. Carnatic music developed as a way to serve Bhagawan through music and rogues like this made a great disservice to that tradition. It does not matter what kind of talents he has. He is a rogue is my opinion and it will not change.
@@YashRakeshGawadefeeling is mutual bro - your comments apply more to you. 10 yrs back I was a fan and changed my stance once I came to know what this rogue is. It’s a pity you don’t see it.
Accidentally ran into this video - People like these should be boycotted. Anyone who loves Carnatic Music - should boycott ppl like this - does not matter how good they are. Ravana was a great ShivBhakth - but still he is a Raakshas - same holds true for TMK.
@@rkrishna1965 His views and the pollution he brings into Carnatic music because of his views. A brilliant scientist can go rogue and support terrorists - do we see his brilliance or the part he supports terrorists - same goes to him. I really admired him sometime back -I was deeply hurt when I heard his views - I threw the CDs I had in trash.
@@rameshpvn77 I still think that many people who follow his music doesn't care about his political views(or atleast that's what should be done). The fact that Ravana was a rakshasha doesn't keep him away from being a great veena and music exponent
@@dhakshan I disagree sir. I am not sure if you would really appreciate his music alone - if he had slapped or did something bad to you or your family. This is not just about supporting a different political party. People like him have gone beyond the line - its not a mere political view. Anyone who loves Indian Culture should stand up against this. No personal offense meant - but your thinking is the exact thing people in Bollywood follow while inviting Pakistani Singers to work in our films - make money in India and go and talk against India. And we seem to have no shame and self respect supporting movies like that. Would people be so kind if they or their family member is insulted ? Aren't country and culture a much bigger thing than an individual insult ? These are things we should not compromise on in my opinion - unfortunately just like here - we are divided and so people continue to abuse us and our culture and we have no shame and self respect. Please don't see this as directed towards you in person - the comment is against the general mindset of all those who give a similar reason.I signoff.
@@rameshpvn77it's disappointing to see people of our own country boycotting an exponent of an art form that is not only beautiful but also sacred to our motherland. Ravana's works on astrology are still held in high regard even today, astrologists in ancient India didn't boycott him because he abducted devi Sita.
Always messes up the lyrics. It is Premato lokaabhiraama. And it is not seemalo it is cheemalo (in an ant). And so many lyrical mistakes. His only focus is on music
@@aravindsudarshan2705 "vemako" does not have any meaning in Telugu. Fairly certain It is "Prema Tho" (meaning, with love) as pointed by comm2005. Unfortunately, the mistake is repeated by even seasoned musicians. Sad!
విమర్శ కాదు కానీ, ఏదో నాకు తెలిసింది చెప్పాలనిపించింది! నిజానికి ఆ పదం ఒకటి కాదు.. రెండు పదాలు. సంధి జరుగుతున్నది అక్కడ. రావు+ఏమకో = రావేమకో (ఉకార సంధి: ఉత్తునకచ్చు పరంబగునప్పుడు సంధి నిత్యము) కాబట్టి ఆ పల్లవి, రామ నన్నుఁ బ్రోవ రావేమకో.. ఇక, ఏమకో అన్న పదానికి అర్థం ఏలనో, ఎందుకో, ఎందువల్లనో.. ఉదాహరణకు అన్నమాచార్యుల వారి సంకీర్తన "ఏమకో చిగురుటధరమున ఎడనెడ కస్తూరి..." (పాఠాంతరమున ఏమొకో అని కూడా కలదు, ఐనా రెండింటి అర్థం ఒకటే..)🙏
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SOUTH of INDIA has ALWAYS been a (underrated- underplayed) TREASURE TROVE Of these Hidden “RARE GEMS”!!TMK just PROVES it on Our face ‼️‼️ HUGE RESPECT TMK Acharaya 🙌🏼😌♥️🙏🏼
He is a genius so unfortunate that people refuse to accept his ideas one must respect him for his dynamic approach towards classic al music
Well explained Masterji 😊 when structures are well understood, variations can be created as one's own unique impression. As a novice to fit into a structure is more challenging because with the understanding of how sounds in the form of swaras work gives you the liberty to actually not want to follow the structure rather use the sound to create different musical expressions, this is my take on it as a enthusiast, thank you so much for your informative videos with examples👏🏼🙏🏽😊
This is getting better and better...we all are getting better in understanding. Thanks a lot for all the efforts from the musicians and organizers.
Wonderful Knowledge & it will spread to listeners too..
Great if T.M.K. Sir...
saved part -1 to listen Again & Again...waiting to have part too .. as early as possible.
Thanks for bringing this part of Manodharma...
Best Regards.
Veena. Vidhushi . Radhasrisailam.
Wonderful speech on Manodharma. His oratorial capacity is as best as his music. A real genius. Arun prakash playing on mridangam when Krishna sings Ramanannubrovara in the lower octave is so rhythemic and pleasing to hear. A nice team on the whole
Some people want to remain the Carnatic music unexplained and keep it 'sacred'. They want their 'enjoyment' to be reserved for some class of society. The frustration of losing that class nature of Carnatic music can be seen here. Further, He is stating how creativity in Carnatic music works dear 'Carnatic music lovers'.
Excellent analysis
😀😀😀😀😀😀😀I am very happy now...I was eagerly waiting for this ......
Was So Fortunate To Experience This Wonderful Lec-Dem Live ...Being There.....😊😊😊😊😊
04:47-09:07 True....
I kinda expected you to say you were there - and lo and behold you did! Lucky you! I wish I could see one of his performances in person.
I was searching you in the comments. Lol
@@dhakshan 😂
What evr his politics he is a GRT artist of high caliber. His Ragam Tanam pallavi is always wonderful just like Pt. Ajay Chakrabortys I feel Manodarma is just like GHARAANA
@@vishnushanbhogue7882 He Is Incomparable....
I think it is essential even for artist to know what manodarma or creative freedom is in their respective art. But ultimately it ends up being a question of choosing a point between left and right for a personal representation of what the art is to them. And of course the point might evolve along time. For instance TMK in his early career would have been a perfect example of far right person with his manodarma having a bit of "less freedom" (nonetheless aesthetically amazing) and has evolved into more left. These kind of metamorphosis, I think, oftentimes involve more self contemplation than musical maturity (be it moving from left to right or right to left). Its amazing to be in an era where you have an example of these kind of evolution. This is in contrast to say the Baby boomers or generation X where there where dominated by artists of far right and thus the larger listening crowd is aesthetically accustomed to a more structured music. Of course by the looks of it, it seems like Ariyakudi had probably moved across the spectrum too by various ideas of his own. But it would be interesting to see TMK's views on an extreme far left "carnatic" artists (I don't know of any yet).
PS: ignore the semantics and spellings !
If by 'left' you mean liberal interpretation of the boundaries of the art and not political ideology, then Balamuralikrishna would be one example.
Woah. I've never seen someone using left and right in Carnatic music. Awesome. I think we need both rightists and leftists.
TMK indeed is special and genius. The real beauty is his analytical mind and expression. Amazing. We are all lucky to listen to this great human being and artist
Raama Nannu brovara😍😍😍 my most favorite Kruthi.. I learnt from my Guru OST mama 😍
🙏. மிகவும் அருமை. மீண்டும் உங்க programme கேட்கும் போது ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நிறைய விஷயங்களைப் பகிர்வும். தயவு செய்து தமிழில் விளக்கம் குடுத்தால் எல்லோருக்கும் புரியும். இது என்னுடைய பணிவான வேண்டுகோள். 🙏
Thank you... Mahakavi Bharathi will be proud of you
Fantastic explanation pandith ji .saashtaanga namaskaara sir ji 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Swami Thyagaraja is alive because of his compositions based on Bhakti. We keep it alive because Swami Thyagaraja inspires us
True sir
Eagerly waiting for other parts
Completely in awe of you Sir
Some of these north/south Indian differences in aesthetics are valid ones that can be borrowed from each other. They are not all rubbish as TMK says. For example: Hindustani music explores the slower, less-information-loaded melody with sufficient silences. We know several musicians, TMK included, that love that kind of aesthetic. Similarly North Indian Gharanas differ in how much they stick to the beats vs goof around them and come to Sam. TMK talks about composition as a possibility that people create variations on. However, there is a degree to which people take freedoms in changing the composition. HM folks take the most freedom, but Carnatic musicians differ greatly on how much to stick to their Guru's version vs take liberties. Same with taking liberties on the taal - TMK himself takes considerable liberties on taal compared to say his Guru when singing a composition.
Point being: digging deeper into the underlying aesthetics between the two traditions might give possibilities of borrowing aesthetics in a subtle way.
Speed is relative, atleast in Carnatic, what we call "kāla" is.
You can be as slow as you want in Carnatic.
I honestly never understood this argument. It seems rather rudimentary.
100% true. 💐
When are you going to upload the other parts of this lec dem
part 2 will be uploaded later tonight
thanks sir......
It is not seemalo..It is cheemalo..That means the almighty is present even in a ant ..Hope our musicians know and understand what they sing
Most musicians don't. Because, they feel the music is more important. But, you can still find them being all correct atleast in their mother tongue
I Think The Problem Happens for the letter 'ச'....because It can be pronounced as Sa, Sha, Cha, Ja...Whenever A Sanskrit Or Telugu or any Non-Tamil Composition Is Written In Pure Tamil Script, this kind of problems happen......always happen.....
Madhuritu Chakraborty. Not necessarily. Carnatic music is about Bhakti and the basis is lyrics. Music is secondary. So a musician is supposed to learn the language, understand what is being said. Then their musical skill will dither embellish the lyric
@@comm2005 though this comment is not for me, I want to reply. The moment you say Carnatic 'music', music gains more importance(atleast that is what most people think). Only a few tend to think about the importance of the music and lyrics. Maybe TMK learnt this song when he was younger and this is how it was taught to him. Madhuritu Chakraborty's comment is acceptable only because I have faced the problem many times(because I have a practice of writing songs in Tamil only. For me, English seems weird)
Aravindhakshan Suresh agreed but as you mature you should be curious to understand what the composer is saying.
எங்கம்மா உங்க ஞானத்தைப் பற்றி புகழ்ந்துண்டே இருப்பா.
Impromptu musician! Keep disrupting TMK. Your side of argument is highly valuable to keep going on the Indian classical music!
great singer intellectual person
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it is not " Prema meera nelakuchunde" insted it should be " Prema meera Melaguchunde".
( melaguchunde means - to roam about, to wander-in this keerthana it exactly means residing) One moving about (melagucuNDE) very (mIra) lovingly (prEma)
in the ants (cImalO) as also in the Trinity - brahmA (brahmalO), Siva and vishNu (kESava) - and others.
There is no word " NELAGA or NELAGI" in telugu. Yes word "VELUGU" is there which is a noun (not verb) which mens - light, brightness, shining, lustre, splendor etc.,
Please hear once again your guruji Shambamgudi garu :
th-cam.com/video/M2bVeT6GyT8/w-d-xo.html
also Nithya Sri : th-cam.com/video/jRLLM6kf_DU/w-d-xo.html
by Malladi brothers : th-cam.com/video/O_K4k3QlEoA/w-d-xo.html
by Sudha rangunathan : th-cam.com/video/qIAhYdfQ9oc/w-d-xo.html
First correct your selves. His Guru called himself as semmangudi not as you have spelled. Pleas learn to be humble.
I urge people here to google about him and if you really love Carnatic Music - boycott all the musicians of his like who pollute Carnatic music. These guys will do anything for money or cheap publicity.
Yes one could agree with the objection that some words of the sahitya are wrongly represented by Vidwan T M Krishna. ...but the so corrected word like.. cheemalo ..seems to be an aberration of Shiva lo....Brahmanoo. But the fact remains that. Sri TMKRISHNA is making an earnest effort to bring out the musical merits of CARNATIC and the Hindustani systems of Indian Classical music. WHY OBJECT TO THAT??
That's cheap. Music is for everyone and TMK is an excellent musician.
@@kkbhatta Looks like you haven't read the comments this rogue made on Hinduism and Hindus. Carnatic music developed as a way to serve Bhagawan through music and rogues like this made a great disservice to that tradition. It does not matter what kind of talents he has. He is a rogue is my opinion and it will not change.
@@rameshpvn77 You have an unchangeable opinion of him without even understanding what he said. That's indeed a pity.
@@YashRakeshGawadefeeling is mutual bro - your comments apply more to you. 10 yrs back I was a fan and changed my stance once I came to know what this rogue is. It’s a pity you don’t see it.
Accidentally ran into this video - People like these should be boycotted. Anyone who loves Carnatic Music - should boycott ppl like this - does not matter how good they are. Ravana was a great ShivBhakth - but still he is a Raakshas - same holds true for TMK.
What is the reason Shri Ramesh? Is it because of his music or his views on other things?
@@rkrishna1965 His views and the pollution he brings into Carnatic music because of his views. A brilliant scientist can go rogue and support terrorists - do we see his brilliance or the part he supports terrorists - same goes to him. I really admired him sometime back -I was deeply hurt when I heard his views - I threw the CDs I had in trash.
@@rameshpvn77 I still think that many people who follow his music doesn't care about his political views(or atleast that's what should be done). The fact that Ravana was a rakshasha doesn't keep him away from being a great veena and music exponent
@@dhakshan I disagree sir. I am not sure if you would really appreciate his music alone - if he had slapped or did something bad to you or your family. This is not just about supporting a different political party. People like him have gone beyond the line - its not a mere political view. Anyone who loves Indian Culture should stand up against this. No personal offense meant - but your thinking is the exact thing people in Bollywood follow while inviting Pakistani Singers to work in our films - make money in India and go and talk against India. And we seem to have no shame and self respect supporting movies like that. Would people be so kind if they or their family member is insulted ? Aren't country and culture a much bigger thing than an individual insult ? These are things we should not compromise on in my opinion - unfortunately just like here - we are divided and so people continue to abuse us and our culture and we have no shame and self respect. Please don't see this as directed towards you in person - the comment is against the general mindset of all those who give a similar reason.I signoff.
@@rameshpvn77it's disappointing to see people of our own country boycotting an exponent of an art form that is not only beautiful but also sacred to our motherland. Ravana's works on astrology are still held in high regard even today, astrologists in ancient India didn't boycott him because he abducted devi Sita.
Always messes up the lyrics. It is Premato lokaabhiraama. And it is not seemalo it is cheemalo (in an ant). And so many lyrical mistakes. His only focus is on music
comm2005 the lyrics of the pallavi is Rama Nannu brovara vemako lokaabhi. Not premato lokaabhi
@@aravindsudarshan2705 "vemako" does not have any meaning in Telugu. Fairly certain It is "Prema Tho" (meaning, with love) as pointed by comm2005. Unfortunately, the mistake is repeated by even seasoned musicians. Sad!
Subbarao Meduri correction. Vemako or Emako means why. I found that this word is still in use in Chittoor district. So Swami Thyagaraja is asking why
విమర్శ కాదు కానీ, ఏదో నాకు తెలిసింది చెప్పాలనిపించింది!
నిజానికి ఆ పదం ఒకటి కాదు.. రెండు పదాలు. సంధి జరుగుతున్నది అక్కడ.
రావు+ఏమకో = రావేమకో
(ఉకార సంధి: ఉత్తునకచ్చు పరంబగునప్పుడు సంధి నిత్యము)
కాబట్టి ఆ పల్లవి, రామ నన్నుఁ బ్రోవ రావేమకో..
ఇక, ఏమకో అన్న పదానికి అర్థం ఏలనో, ఎందుకో, ఎందువల్లనో..
ఉదాహరణకు అన్నమాచార్యుల వారి సంకీర్తన "ఏమకో చిగురుటధరమున ఎడనెడ కస్తూరి..." (పాఠాంతరమున ఏమొకో అని కూడా కలదు, ఐనా రెండింటి అర్థం ఒకటే..)🙏