In my opinion, if you NEVER put in serious effort to improve you can play it casually. Once you actually try and open your eyes to the “real game”, you can never fully go back.
I think i can describe myself as a casual player, i dont practice combos or lab at all, i play only on the way i feel, sometimes i think "this dude beat me with this im gonna lab it... nah im fine"
For me, the more I learn the more pissed off I get at how things work haha. But at the same time I agree, the more knowledge and better I get then I come back for more pain and misery haha! All I do in fighting games is lose and rage hahah! Like god damnit! When is this shit gonna get easy?
as someone picking up SF6 literally this week haven’t really played since SF4, this video is so real. there is no casual play. you gotta put in the hours learning. so all my gaming time has to be dedicated to that to really get better in order for it to truly be casual lol
Yeah. At least the game has WT, Arcade/story and mini game challenge stuff. There are other modes, but you don't really see that advertised online the way ranked is. I started playing 6 weeks ago new to FGs and I do enjoy ranked but I have to pace myself as it feels intense and nerve-wracking after a few matches. So far, I've gone from Bronze 1 to Gold 1 and around 500 matches 45% win rate. Nothing great, but also not terrible I think. I'm having fun. I'd like to get to Diamond level though, not sure about Master as that requires a ton of hours. We'll see.
Casual player or not, a player has to be willing to learn the game, and there's levels to learning. I feel like you may consider yourself a casual player now, but your previous competitive player background will allow you to want learn more regardless of if your casual. I think your "average" casual may not know basic knowledge just because they simply dont know. They just wanna play. One of those ignorance is bliss kinda things.
I think if you are having fun without learning the game (in and out), that’s totally fine. If you’re playing the game without trying to lab matchups and well, do your homework, that’s kind of on you. Tech is thrown around all the time so you could just watch a yt video and already learn a good chunk of the matchup and so on
I don't think I can ever go back to being satisfied with just being a casual in a fighting game - at least not in one where I want to fight real people in. The second that I get to that knowledge gap, I want to go into training mode and figure out the matchup. I'll probably never become a world class player at any fighting game, but just being content with not knowing the intricacies of the game I'm playing is not an option for me anymore. It's both a good and bad thing. Good because I'll really gain an appreciation for the time and effort that the developers and players put into these games, but bad because sometimes it makes me not want to play fighting games at all since I know it'll just be a really big time sink. Just my two cents
My casual lifestyle is watching some of my favorite pro players, Keeping up with the DLC’s Incase there’s a character I want, and playing with casual/rank on simultaneously for consistent matches. I fell in love the rock paper scissors aspect of neutral. Fighting games don’t have to be a serious hobby, if you keep playing/watching you’ll inevitably get better. I love this kind of content RTV keep it up.
This video is so real, dude. I"ve been playing for a minute now, so I'll sometimes forget how much of an ordeal it was for me to learn fighting games from square one without any sort of proper guidance. It's definitely possible to just play without actually improving. You'll just plateau and be stuck in a loop until you're able to discern what it is exactly you need to work on. A big part of the genre is "learning how to learn". Would love to see more vids like this or even uploads/streams of your casual matches.
I actually needed this video. I was recently trying to learn a MU in SF6 and got so frustrated because my theories and labbing was correct but because I am thinking the entire time, I was like hella frames too late on reacting to shit. And when I did react correctly, I wasn't ready for the situations after fast enough. I am a lower end player that loves fighting games but when you have holes in your game, be it MU knowledge or fundamentals, it can be a rough experience.
Blazblue is lowkey the most fighting game out right now. There are still people online and the characters are so damn cool it feels really nice to play. When I lose I don't even feel as mad as I would have in other games.
The only time you can play casually in FG is when you play against IRL friends where win/loss doesn't matter as much. Other than that, the game will get frustrating the moment you jump online and don't know how to play.
I agree. There's no such thing as being casual if you're playing online. If you play with friends IRL nobody cares about matchups and learning combos unless they're heavily into fighting games already.
100% this. Everything youre spittin' are the reasons i can't get my friends to play fighting games. Between parenting, work/life balance, life in general, not many casual folks have the time, energy, or headspace to do homework before even playing the game. I'm not good or anything, I just invested enough time to be like, high gold/low plat in SF6, but even that is enough to turn 'em off from playing.
You’re absolutely right, to enjoy a fighting game you need knowledge, but the fun is in executing your game plan. Fighting games in design make each character feel unique so there is interesting gameplay between each fight. This is why the only time casual gameplay occurs is when a game first comes out 😂 which is about a few weeks at most
Maaaaan, that recommendation algorithm is putting in work!!! I’m SUPER PLEASED this just showed up in my feed. A dedicated Rob fighting game channel is instant subscribe material.
you made a lot of valid points but i think you glossed over how much impact your previous competitive background has on you currently. your standards are likely much higher casual or not, and i can imagine that the itch to improve every day is still there. the average "casual" is not going to have such high of standards which might lead them to simply not care about improving their knowledge gaps. i think your video more so ascertains the experience that a competitive player has while trying to dial it back. hope to see more videos like this!
Dope insight, I do think a lot of competitive games are like this, for example league/counter strike/chess. Games designed to be complex require studying/labbing/theory crafting and that’s why it’s so cool to see people get insanely good at them. It’s hard to strike a balance between making the game accessible and complex/deep though, you kind of have to sacrifice one for the other to a degree
Casual players definitely exist, but I think your experience is different because you've already gotten into fighting games deep before, so your mind thinks about them differently and more deeply. You and and other FGC folk like us picking up a new fighting game is going to look and feel very different than your average Joe because we already have that baseline understanding on how shit REALLY works. Especially in the case of SF where I presume you're constantly fighting players that are pretty good or even high level players in master and legend rank, where as most people aren't ever reaching those ranks and fighting those players that require such amount of knowledge to beat. RobTV being casual is different from SakuraFan69 being casual. Like if you're seeking other people out for matchup knowledge, you're not really "casual".
I used to ski every weekend I could for about 10+ years going into my late teenage years. If I try to pick up skiing again in my early 30s, i'm approaching it from the same POV I had when I was 16. No warmups, i'm in a shape where I can move and do stupid things, i'm not afraid to fall, etc. These days, I need a warmup, I get tired pretty fast and I'll regret things the day after if I ski like a dummy. I'm at a similar spot with FGs where being taken down a notch and knowing what type of grind and steps would alleviate pain points. But like, if the point is to do it casually, it's a lot of effort to either still do some of the grind or to set limits on how much you'll be able to achieve within those. Either way, its a decent chunk of effort for something made to be taken lightly. Very inflexible and it's unfortunate
I never really played fighting games (besides smash on the gamecube 10 years ago with my friends) But somehow i got really pulled in couple weeks ago, its hard to learn tbh and i get frustrated and angry but after a while i started to check my ego and right now i think a lot about why i feel bad when i lose and how to become more aware of the moment while being in the game. And thats the thing that gets me coming back, i love that i take stuff out the game and improve my own life with it. One year ago i somehow got into europa universalis and played it alot and learned how to analyse more complex systems and how to learn better in general. Thats the main appeal of fighting games for me right now, i get frustrated i get mad i get salty i get joyful. I get so much positive and negativ emotions out of fighting games and i think thats a wonderful thing of art in general. If it gives you experiences and fg give me a lot knowledge about myself and how to learn to lose and learn. That are my two cents as a complete beginner :) (If somone here has tips and so on its highly appreciated) Btw hope everyone has an amazing week
4:29 all I gotta say is there’s a reason why people play less fighting games than sports, shooters, and games like league. It’s very straightforward and easier to blame your teammates etc.
Bruhhh this is exactly how I feel! I used to be a decent sf4 player and had all the character matchup knowledge and had hella time to practice and grind cuz I was in college. Now I'm 35 and tried to just play sf6 "casually" like what you talked about and I realized that no way in hell do I got the time to study and practice and all that so I rather just not even play LOL I just watch the pros play at major tourneys now haha so I COMPLETELY get you. I rather put that time into other things lol
This is me with tekken 8. It's my first 3d fighter. I have experience with SF3 and 6, but this game is a whole other beast. It reminds me of how I got absolutely destroyed when I started with street fighter. I will learn eventually. I just have to put in the hours again.
I absolutely agree. With work, two kids, full time school, and a marriage it's hard to keep up at a high level. I'm happy to be able to compete around 1600mr, but it reaches a point where I just don't have the time to keep up or push further. (Maybe I just need to be built different LOL)
I mean, no matter how little time you invest, you're bound to improve eventually. It becomes muscle memory after long enough, and the kind you don't forget either.
Im 45 and have played Tekken for 3 decades. I def consider myself a casual these days. I spent my teens and 20’s grinding and learning the game. I still play Tekken and do sim racing online when I have the time but I can’t dedicate much time to either. If I was trying to learn Tekken at this point in my life it would be a no-go bc it’s just too much to learn. Which is why I don’t try to learn new fighting games. So yeah I think you do need a certain amount of game knowledge to play casually. Otherwise you’re just mashing buttons. Which is fine too might I add. Tekken is actually great for button mashing if that’s all you want to do. Great video and perspective on what it means to be a casual player.
im really glad a big voice in the FGC is finally speaking on how ive felt. hit every hard note going through my mind about street fighter 6 (and other FGs) lately. there’s so much extra effort i have to do just to enjoy a mind game every once in a while its just too much whilw i main a character everyone knows everything about (Ryu!). rashid and kimberly are who i struggle with fighting the most. the insane amount of knowledge checks get me so lost at what im looking at its just not really fun. like i know i have a long life, but i can only spend so much of my life’s time into a single video game. im not trying to invest my time into a game. im trying to invest it into bigger things and use games as a detour, not some extra homework bs bruh. that makes it really hard for me to enjoy sf6 as much as i can. the farthest ive gotten in sf6 with ryu is 1400 mr and im really not willing to study that much harder into the game cuz of my time and efforts in these bigger life things.
there definitely exist people who only play the story mode in fighting games and nothing else. sf6, tekken 8, mk1, and even smash ultimate you can find reviews from people who adore the single player story mode and content and never hop online at all. theyre fighting for their life playing against the ai and the bosses and even training and learning and still coming up with strategies like us who grind the games, but i would most def still call them casual players on the basis that they dont engage in the competitive multiplayer aspect of the video game.
The real casual fighting game player is someone who is ok with learning the game and improving slowly. The hardcore fg player wants to master all the match ups asap.
Casual is such a vague term, it can mean anything from a good player not trying to go pro to a button masher who's happy to land a super. The equation to both please the general audience (who makes them money) and still satisfy pro players to have a solid competitive scene is indeed hard to solve. Props to you for being one of the only normal commentator btw !
Plus before you can even get to the stage Rob is going over, you have to learn the fighting game meta first and thats even harder IMO unless you have an experienced friend who is willing to coach you.
There's no such thing as a casual Chess player either, and yet it's still widely revered and beloved by many Some things just can't really be enjoyed at a casual level
Mr. Hollywood is staring into my soul. Can’t say I mind though. Speaking facts when it comes to mu knowledge. I know the basic mind games and have some execution but I don’t play enough to gather mu knowledge. It’s the one thing I’m trying to change just by playing the game more.
I feel this man. When you're in it, you don't realize how much you're putting in to be competitive. 100s of hours of study, practice, and reflection for the landscape to change on a whim. I think knowing all that makes it all the more daunting to even attempt to get back into it. The questions always come up: Can I put the time in like I used to? Is it even worth it it to try? And will I be able to stay with it long enough to matter? For a casual enjoyer, those questions are motivational poison.
I agree with keeping up with everything nowadays is just too much to ask for the average person. For example I have a wife and 2 kids, work full time, and live a very active lifestyle. It’s nearly impossible for me to play every game I want to play, let alone the fighting games I’m interested in. The patches are neat but it literally daunting when I have to dedicate so much time to relearn my own character. I still go to my local tourney once a month but I no longer aim for top 3 anymore. I go have a few beers with my cousin and try not to go 0-2. Haha Fighting games are my absolute favorite games, but they are a lot to keep up with.
FGs are part of the broad category of video games that get the player into a gameplay-loop involving going back and forth between the game and finding content on youtube to improve. Devs haven't really done a good job of establishing that kind of cycle where the player can learn from what happened although it's gotten a lot better since the revitalization in 2008. The type of organization and effort that players had to put into the game in the past is a lot different than the type of effort that players have to get used to now days. The amount of players that private message me in battle hub and ask for advice, and then I take them to training mode and get them to play "jumps and sweeps" as a mini-game... and then watch them go up 2 or 3 ranks or even reach master rank is astounding. The game doesn't facilitate the process of learning the materials because the effort to passively get better is just not good enough because the player isn't engaging with what is understood to actually improve which is direct feedback and opportunities for repetition in common scenarios for better pattern recognition.
Tbf anyone that doesn't actively go to locals or tournaments is already considered a casual in most peoples eyes in the FGC. Fighting games definitely require you to have a proper knowledge of the game to have fun. I feel like the real difference between a pro and a casual is how hard they want to overcome a certain plateau in learning the game once they get there.
I agree so hard with the learning stuff. In SF4 me being good was just enough. Now, I have to study every character just to be certain I have frame advantage and all that other shit.
I think there is a lot of truth and I can relate to some of it as im a new player trying to learn SF6 as my first fighting game, the information is indeed overwhelming, and i am definitely not trying to be a pro. But these knowledge checks and difficulties can be found in other genres too, I am a life long keyboard and mouse gamer, played tons of FPS titles/MMOs and MOBAs. I still think the MOBAs are just as if not more complex than fighting games to some degree, you have to deal with character matchups in those games too, but even more you gotta deal with character matchups within team compositions which can change everything entirely depending on how they constructed their team, and that shit goes super deep when you talk about the way players choose to itemize in those games. Games like Overwatch and Rainbow Six Siege in the FPS realm can also get really confusing to learn with all the specific matchups you will face 1v1 up to 5v5... it is all just so varied.... Keeping this type of stuff in the back of my mind while trying to wrap my mind around learning a fighting game has been instrumental. So i definitely get why Fighting Games can make you mad, I think anyone who has undertaken learning one of these confusing games can relate, cheers bro.
At launch I do enjoy avoiding ranked play to get casual matches against a majority of the roster for a few weeks, just so I don't lose terribly by knowledge checks out the gate. That way I have a general idea of what everybody does but also what I personally struggle with most. Love content and conversations like this, subscribed!
Eh Rob. Glad you are pushing your own stuff but I hope you return to the mic because you are one of the few that makes it fun. For me I just couldn't find a character that I liked in 6...
I stopped playing fighting games online. Dudes get a couple combos in and the fight is over. Some guys know combos so good you might not ever touch the ground until the match is over. 😩
I liked SF4 because the focus mechanic actually required tons of skill. Using it to bait or to attack was something every character could do but mastering it put you at an extreme advantage.
4:29 honestly I get this so hard I can't just jump into a fighting game and "play" I need to learn because to me that's the fun part. The mind games, the combos, the mental stack its fun to me. I love going into training mode and learning its apart of the game for me. If I don't figure out how to play I feel like I'm missing "the fun" if that makes sense
I think this is true because you will see the people that say they're casual, but then say someone is "sweating" when they're beating them. If you're actually casual you wouldn't care about someone beating you. All levels of play want to win and get better, not everyone knows how and different people have different plateaus.
If you get mad at any competitive type of sports or games, you need to take a leave because one day it can ruin your relationship with friends or love ones if theyre involve.
The patch note point you made is why i totally understand folks that are "necros" (people that only play the old games). Having to learn matchups is a lot of work. To have to relearn them over and over is just too much.
This video is so relatable coming from tekken. I started playing in tekken seven with the intention of taking it slow and learningvthe game as I go. All this time and I'm still a scrub. I still dont get to play mindgames unless its a specific character.
Honestly once i put the effort to learn how my character works and the fundamentals of the game i was able to brain off just play some casual matches and have fun
in my opinion the only thing thats ruining fighting games is constant patching. I wish someone was just make a game thats finished and just keep it at that
Being a pro gamer is like being fluent in a language. Different players are different people with different skill levels. Just because you don't speak English, Spanish, French,etc well doesn't make you "trash", a "scrub" or a "noob." You just aren't fluent...yet. The same thing goes for understanding gaming. Becoming skilled at gaming requires practice of techniques, reading/recognizing cues, and thinking about what you want to express thoughtfully. Language is the same way. Practice makes you pretty good. People who aren't skilled haven't spent enough time with the discipline...yet.
I get u, but i also think you dont have to lab every character to enjoy the game, as long as youre okay with losing you can do all your labing during games, if a set up looks like a safe jump and you not quite sure, od dp and if it hits not a safe jump, if it doesnt then now you know. for eg, i always struggled against honda in sf6, cause every honda after headbutt would mash light punch and it would always counter hit me out of a cr. MK, to the point where i thought it was plus( my friend also said it was plus too), i just go to practice, do headbutt to see the frame data, find out its -3, and i was like oh so if i mash cr. MP ill always counter hit them if they try to mash, and thats what happened against the next hondas. What im saying is the method i implemented, just lab during the games, cause even if you lose, you were gonna lose regardless, atleast this way u can get real world data on what to do against a player. The fun part of fighting games is the fighting, so why not do the not so fun part while your having fun atleast. cause we are all the same if we find something that works we keep on doing it until it stops working, which means your opponent is most likely gonna do the same thing until it stops working This is what has helped me and saved me from labing every character in the game,(i cant escape labing combos sadly).
SF6 is my first fighting game and I said the exact same thing. The game doesn't make sense or become a good game until you've learned an absolute ton of stuff. Having to learn stuff is primary, a way bigger deal than skill (the stuff we play the game for). Compare this to a game like Quake, 2 new players can get the basics down and have a good duel with each other after just 50 hours, even if they've never played an FPS before.
This channel shouldn’t be all fighting games, but it would be interesting to see you documents some aspects of your journey as you get the rust off. Your unique perspective as a former pro is pretty helpful to bridge the gap in content. What I mean is that most TH-cam content in fgc is geared towards onboarding complete beginners, but you dropping ten minute videos documenting aspects of the derust you find interesting could be useful for those diamond - low MR master players
All of this work is how I figured out fighting games would always just be a hobby for me. Once I reached a certain level and realized how high I still had to climb it wasn’t fun anymore. I just don’t love fighting games enough to study that hard. Still always enjoy watching though.
thats why i always keep gg+r installed. that shit is set in stone and theres always people playing on ranked.no matter what else i go do when im come back theres people playing. it may take some time to shake off the rust but the player base, the matchups, and the combos are gonna be the same. same shit for all those fightcade games too man. keep an OG game in the tuck man, its good for ya.
Nice take! Never thought you were a pro player, I just started watching FGC content last year when SF6 come out, watching you host games is entertaining especially the RBK tournament! Also need that hosting energy here, cause the vid doesnt feel like a rant :D but nevertheless the vid still good!
Ive been the "i'll play sf6 again" guy. Too grown to have fun lol gotta win or at least tryhard for my own ego. So after DBFZ, GG, and KOF, i was burnt in terms of learning frame data again. Jamie just got buffed though so......
The knowledge and character speaking different languages pisses me off. The more unpredictable a character is the harder they are to play against for me. Which is why my tier lists will always be completely different from most. The easier the matchup is to understand and play against, the lower that character is on the tier list. Which means in SF6, all shotos are at the bottom. And characters like Rashid, Blanka, AKI, Kimberly, JP are at the top. I could put Dhalsim there as well, just maddening to play against. I hate going against awkward characters.
1. A few things that makes me mad is how aggressive they’re making these fighting games now. Defense is becoming less and less potent. 2. The devs don’t even allow you to lab against the paid DLC characters without having to buy them and making DLC way too strong. 3. Making gameplay mechanics way too easily accessible to new players enough where it carries them like the heat system in tekken or like drive rush/impact in sf6. It’s frustrating enough already and these new things are get outta jail free cards for actually being outmatched/outsmarted by your opponent. Lets get back to the real neutral/footsies.
These new era fighting games are ponsi-scheme’s. They are tournament based and a new fighter is now introduced every “season” in order to create a new battlefield. New in-game tech’s, regardless of a players playstyle, can ultimately determine the outcome depending on a characters speed. It’s not how a fighter fights; it narrows down to speed and the new in-game color coded tech’s. All AAA fighting games have them now and the faster a fighter is along w/the new tech’s ultimately win’s. It’s just not skill based or fun anymore.
Knowledge on a game can be fun too, the patches and updates helps keep the game fresh and are needed, I get what you are tryin' to say, getting good takes time, and not everyone has it, still, when you mannage to get to a certain level it really feels rewarding as f*ck, nowadays the info you need to get even better it's at the palm of your hand, tons of videos that help a lot, and if you are feelin' kinda burned out, you can always lay back and play some other game genre's to ease up that feel.
I've played a lot of fighting games these pass years.. From Fighterz, Tekken7-8, Street4-6, Mk 10-1, naruto storm 2-connections, Xenoverse 1-2, Multiversus, Brawlhalla, Soul Caliber 6, Jump force, Dead or Alive, UFC 5-6 and more from Blaze Blue to Underknight.... Theres definitely you start to understand while learning these games and the players behind it. The people who claim casual like braindead fighting games from easy-mid easy being like multiversus and mid to Fighterz... They dont want super hard battles and they want the win earned but easy. Until the casuals run into the ppl who arent, then they stop playing... Then you have the dedicated Casual, the one who plays a character and then embodies said character. This is the the introduction to pro moves because when you learn a character, you start to learn the game. Tekken, DOA, SF and these type games are demanding that you get personal with a character because you cant depend on another character to support you like Jump Force and Storm or Fighterz where you can get saved by not having character knowledge. The pros level is being able to approach these games at any time understanding types of characters so you can pick what suits you best then proceed to work out the game as you get familiar with it. Everything else should come naturally
If fighting games could make learning all of this stuff come via normal gameplay they'd be the most popular genre of game... but they still have a million moves that behave differently to how they appear (disjointed hitboxes, unintuitive frame data etc). SF6 is my first fighting game I've ranked in... I got diamond after ~80hours, but still have zero clue how to actually play the game. no footsies, no parries, no drive rushes... just neutral skipping, DI spamming and a single high damage combo, lol
Speaking straight facts. Although I do see it as a problem. I feel like there should always be an element of skill vs skill over knowledge checking at all levels of play. And thats definitely missing from all fighting games today imo. Are fighting games doing good? I guess? I feel like they could be doing WAY better if there was that more raw player vs player mind games happening right from the get go. Anyways keep spittin and stay up homie!
You speaking facts only time in fighting games u can just pick up and play and have fun is it u playing with your boys and y'all all pretty causal level . Being online that is ova with lol.
If you want to be good at a fighting game, you need someone who is better than you, in almost every aspect of the game, neutral, close, far, air. Then you need to try everything in your power to open them up, make them do things, so you can put yourself in a better position, learn what position not to put yourself in. Also depends heavily which fighting game we talking bout, they play so different for each, like you cant really get away with zoning in tekken or street fighter imo but mk bro, learning a whole other playstyle. People seem to only like a fighting game thats 1v1, So Naruto ninja storm connections is gonna be hard for the vast majority of people who dont wanna put in time.
I think this is a problem few people have. Given your situation as a pro player and wanting to return after a few years. There are definitely casual players. I have friends who do nothing but queue up in ranked. They don’t learn anything new and they have a 1 dimensional game plan. They don’t lab at all. But they boot up the game and have fun playing ranked.
Playing for fun rearely is fun. Games only really become fun once oyu start learning stuff and solving problems. Playing for fun usually means griefing in most games
Fighting games were only fun with friends on the couch. Arcades would bring some challenge with playing against random people irl. Now it's just no fun unless youre trying to be the best. Fighting games are only for the tournament players now.
In my opinion, if you NEVER put in serious effort to improve you can play it casually. Once you actually try and open your eyes to the “real game”, you can never fully go back.
This is a solid take.
Yup
I think i can describe myself as a casual player, i dont practice combos or lab at all, i play only on the way i feel, sometimes i think "this dude beat me with this im gonna lab it... nah im fine"
For me, the more I learn the more pissed off I get at how things work haha. But at the same time I agree, the more knowledge and better I get then I come back for more pain and misery haha! All I do in fighting games is lose and rage hahah! Like god damnit! When is this shit gonna get easy?
@@FrankTheDoomriderJohansen But the first time you practiced something and it pays off is magical
as someone picking up SF6 literally this week haven’t really played since SF4, this video is so real. there is no casual play. you gotta put in the hours learning. so all my gaming time has to be dedicated to that to really get better in order for it to truly be casual lol
Yeah. At least the game has WT, Arcade/story and mini game challenge stuff. There are other modes, but you don't really see that advertised online the way ranked is.
I started playing 6 weeks ago new to FGs and I do enjoy ranked but I have to pace myself as it feels intense and nerve-wracking after a few matches. So far, I've gone from Bronze 1 to Gold 1 and around 500 matches 45% win rate. Nothing great, but also not terrible I think. I'm having fun. I'd like to get to Diamond level though, not sure about Master as that requires a ton of hours. We'll see.
Casual player or not, a player has to be willing to learn the game, and there's levels to learning. I feel like you may consider yourself a casual player now, but your previous competitive player background will allow you to want learn more regardless of if your casual. I think your "average" casual may not know basic knowledge just because they simply dont know. They just wanna play. One of those ignorance is bliss kinda things.
I think if you are having fun without learning the game (in and out), that’s totally fine.
If you’re playing the game without trying to lab matchups and well, do your homework, that’s kind of on you.
Tech is thrown around all the time so you could just watch a yt video and already learn a good chunk of the matchup and so on
I don't think I can ever go back to being satisfied with just being a casual in a fighting game - at least not in one where I want to fight real people in. The second that I get to that knowledge gap, I want to go into training mode and figure out the matchup.
I'll probably never become a world class player at any fighting game, but just being content with not knowing the intricacies of the game I'm playing is not an option for me anymore.
It's both a good and bad thing. Good because I'll really gain an appreciation for the time and effort that the developers and players put into these games, but bad because sometimes it makes me not want to play fighting games at all since I know it'll just be a really big time sink. Just my two cents
I always loved watching you play Karin. You were always very exciting to see what crazy combos you had the next match.
My casual lifestyle is watching some of my favorite pro players, Keeping up with the DLC’s Incase there’s a character I want,
and playing with casual/rank on simultaneously for consistent matches.
I fell in love the rock paper scissors aspect of neutral.
Fighting games don’t have to be a serious hobby, if you keep playing/watching you’ll inevitably get better.
I love this kind of content RTV keep it up.
This video is so real, dude. I"ve been playing for a minute now, so I'll sometimes forget how much of an ordeal it was for me to learn fighting games from square one without any sort of proper guidance. It's definitely possible to just play without actually improving. You'll just plateau and be stuck in a loop until you're able to discern what it is exactly you need to work on. A big part of the genre is "learning how to learn". Would love to see more vids like this or even uploads/streams of your casual matches.
I actually needed this video. I was recently trying to learn a MU in SF6 and got so frustrated because my theories and labbing was correct but because I am thinking the entire time, I was like hella frames too late on reacting to shit. And when I did react correctly, I wasn't ready for the situations after fast enough.
I am a lower end player that loves fighting games but when you have holes in your game, be it MU knowledge or fundamentals, it can be a rough experience.
im about to play a fighting game for the first time since streetfighter 2 came out. like literally right now. wish me luck yall
Blazblue is lowkey the most fighting game out right now. There are still people online and the characters are so damn cool it feels really nice to play. When I lose I don't even feel as mad as I would have in other games.
Since SF2 CAME OUT??? No offense, but how old are you, man?! Good luck with the new fighting games. It's a whole different world.
Don't worry man I believe in you, I just got into ky first fighting game a few days ago and it's been a blast
The only time you can play casually in FG is when you play against IRL friends where win/loss doesn't matter as much. Other than that, the game will get frustrating the moment you jump online and don't know how to play.
I agree. There's no such thing as being casual if you're playing online. If you play with friends IRL nobody cares about matchups and learning combos unless they're heavily into fighting games already.
Love the commentary Rob. Would love to see more chill FGC discussions.
100% this. Everything youre spittin' are the reasons i can't get my friends to play fighting games. Between parenting, work/life balance, life in general, not many casual folks have the time, energy, or headspace to do homework before even playing the game. I'm not good or anything, I just invested enough time to be like, high gold/low plat in SF6, but even that is enough to turn 'em off from playing.
You’re absolutely right, to enjoy a fighting game you need knowledge, but the fun is in executing your game plan. Fighting games in design make each character feel unique so there is interesting gameplay between each fight. This is why the only time casual gameplay occurs is when a game first comes out 😂 which is about a few weeks at most
Maaaaan, that recommendation algorithm is putting in work!!! I’m SUPER PLEASED this just showed up in my feed. A dedicated Rob fighting game channel is instant subscribe material.
Aye Rob, Got a new channel. 😎
you made a lot of valid points but i think you glossed over how much impact your previous competitive background has on you currently. your standards are likely much higher casual or not, and i can imagine that the itch to improve every day is still there. the average "casual" is not going to have such high of standards which might lead them to simply not care about improving their knowledge gaps. i think your video more so ascertains the experience that a competitive player has while trying to dial it back. hope to see more videos like this!
😂😂 neph got you feelin a way? nah but fr def need more chill vids like this
lmao man hell naw. And okay I appreciate the feedback. Gonna drop a lot more.
Fighting games make me mad because by the time I practice enough to get good at a fighting game I get bored of it so I never truly enjoy it.
If you dont like like learning and improvement, then you will never truly enjoy a fighting at any level above casual.
Dope insight, I do think a lot of competitive games are like this, for example league/counter strike/chess. Games designed to be complex require studying/labbing/theory crafting and that’s why it’s so cool to see people get insanely good at them. It’s hard to strike a balance between making the game accessible and complex/deep though, you kind of have to sacrifice one for the other to a degree
Even though people hate it, that's why these things such as simple inputs and modern controls are becoming such a big thing for fighting game devs.
Casual players definitely exist, but I think your experience is different because you've already gotten into fighting games deep before, so your mind thinks about them differently and more deeply. You and and other FGC folk like us picking up a new fighting game is going to look and feel very different than your average Joe because we already have that baseline understanding on how shit REALLY works. Especially in the case of SF where I presume you're constantly fighting players that are pretty good or even high level players in master and legend rank, where as most people aren't ever reaching those ranks and fighting those players that require such amount of knowledge to beat. RobTV being casual is different from SakuraFan69 being casual. Like if you're seeking other people out for matchup knowledge, you're not really "casual".
I used to ski every weekend I could for about 10+ years going into my late teenage years. If I try to pick up skiing again in my early 30s, i'm approaching it from the same POV I had when I was 16. No warmups, i'm in a shape where I can move and do stupid things, i'm not afraid to fall, etc. These days, I need a warmup, I get tired pretty fast and I'll regret things the day after if I ski like a dummy.
I'm at a similar spot with FGs where being taken down a notch and knowing what type of grind and steps would alleviate pain points. But like, if the point is to do it casually, it's a lot of effort to either still do some of the grind or to set limits on how much you'll be able to achieve within those. Either way, its a decent chunk of effort for something made to be taken lightly.
Very inflexible and it's unfortunate
I never really played fighting games (besides smash on the gamecube 10 years ago with my friends)
But somehow i got really pulled in couple weeks ago, its hard to learn tbh and i get frustrated and angry but after a while i started to check my ego and right now i think a lot about why i feel bad when i lose and how to become more aware of the moment while being in the game.
And thats the thing that gets me coming back, i love that i take stuff out the game and improve my own life with it. One year ago i somehow got into europa universalis and played it alot and learned how to analyse more complex systems and how to learn better in general.
Thats the main appeal of fighting games for me right now, i get frustrated i get mad i get salty i get joyful. I get so much positive and negativ emotions out of fighting games and i think thats a wonderful thing of art in general.
If it gives you experiences and fg give me a lot knowledge about myself and how to learn to lose and learn.
That are my two cents as a complete beginner :)
(If somone here has tips and so on its highly appreciated)
Btw hope everyone has an amazing week
4:29 all I gotta say is there’s a reason why people play less fighting games than sports, shooters, and games like league. It’s very straightforward and easier to blame your teammates etc.
Bruhhh this is exactly how I feel! I used to be a decent sf4 player and had all the character matchup knowledge and had hella time to practice and grind cuz I was in college. Now I'm 35 and tried to just play sf6 "casually" like what you talked about and I realized that no way in hell do I got the time to study and practice and all that so I rather just not even play LOL I just watch the pros play at major tourneys now haha so I COMPLETELY get you. I rather put that time into other things lol
This is me with tekken 8. It's my first 3d fighter. I have experience with SF3 and 6, but this game is a whole other beast. It reminds me of how I got absolutely destroyed when I started with street fighter. I will learn eventually. I just have to put in the hours again.
You looked pretty good in that set against Neph despite not playing a lot. It rules that you are playing again dude!
Huge fan of this kind of content Rob keep em coming!
I absolutely agree. With work, two kids, full time school, and a marriage it's hard to keep up at a high level. I'm happy to be able to compete around 1600mr, but it reaches a point where I just don't have the time to keep up or push further. (Maybe I just need to be built different LOL)
I mean, no matter how little time you invest, you're bound to improve eventually. It becomes muscle memory after long enough, and the kind you don't forget either.
Im 45 and have played Tekken for 3 decades. I def consider myself a casual these days. I spent my teens and 20’s grinding and learning the game. I still play Tekken and do sim racing online when I have the time but I can’t dedicate much time to either. If I was trying to learn Tekken at this point in my life it would be a no-go bc it’s just too much to learn. Which is why I don’t try to learn new fighting games. So yeah I think you do need a certain amount of game knowledge to play casually. Otherwise you’re just mashing buttons. Which is fine too might I add. Tekken is actually great for button mashing if that’s all you want to do. Great video and perspective on what it means to be a casual player.
I agree; I personally believe there are no casuals, everyone wants to win and those who regularly lose quit.
TH-cam recs ftw. Here on the first drop of the channel within a day!
im really glad a big voice in the FGC is finally speaking on how ive felt. hit every hard note going through my mind about street fighter 6 (and other FGs) lately. there’s so much extra effort i have to do just to enjoy a mind game every once in a while its just too much whilw i main a character everyone knows everything about (Ryu!).
rashid and kimberly are who i struggle with fighting the most. the insane amount of knowledge checks get me so lost at what im looking at its just not really fun.
like i know i have a long life, but i can only spend so much of my life’s time into a single video game. im not trying to invest my time into a game. im trying to invest it into bigger things and use games as a detour, not some extra homework bs bruh. that makes it really hard for me to enjoy sf6 as much as i can. the farthest ive gotten in sf6 with ryu is 1400 mr and im really not willing to study that much harder into the game cuz of my time and efforts in these bigger life things.
Man you missed the chance to call this channel RobTwoV 😭 great video
I hope the algorithm takes this and runs.
there definitely exist people who only play the story mode in fighting games and nothing else. sf6, tekken 8, mk1, and even smash ultimate you can find reviews from people who adore the single player story mode and content and never hop online at all. theyre fighting for their life playing against the ai and the bosses and even training and learning and still coming up with strategies like us who grind the games, but i would most def still call them casual players on the basis that they dont engage in the competitive multiplayer aspect of the video game.
The real casual fighting game player is someone who is ok with learning the game and improving slowly. The hardcore fg player wants to master all the match ups asap.
Casual is such a vague term, it can mean anything from a good player not trying to go pro to a button masher who's happy to land a super. The equation to both please the general audience (who makes them money) and still satisfy pro players to have a solid competitive scene is indeed hard to solve.
Props to you for being one of the only normal commentator btw !
Plus before you can even get to the stage Rob is going over, you have to learn the fighting game meta first and thats even harder IMO unless you have an experienced friend who is willing to coach you.
Bring fighting game debates back on this channel!
I watch everything you make but every now and then I think I'd like more content like this.
Perspective as a former pro is invaluable.
There's no such thing as a casual Chess player either, and yet it's still widely revered and beloved by many
Some things just can't really be enjoyed at a casual level
Mr. Hollywood is staring into my soul. Can’t say I mind though.
Speaking facts when it comes to mu knowledge. I know the basic mind games and have some execution but I don’t play enough to gather mu knowledge. It’s the one thing I’m trying to change just by playing the game more.
I feel this man. When you're in it, you don't realize how much you're putting in to be competitive. 100s of hours of study, practice, and reflection for the landscape to change on a whim. I think knowing all that makes it all the more daunting to even attempt to get back into it. The questions always come up: Can I put the time in like I used to? Is it even worth it it to try? And will I be able to stay with it long enough to matter? For a casual enjoyer, those questions are motivational poison.
I agree with keeping up with everything nowadays is just too much to ask for the average person. For example I have a wife and 2 kids, work full time, and live a very active lifestyle. It’s nearly impossible for me to play every game I want to play, let alone the fighting games I’m interested in. The patches are neat but it literally daunting when I have to dedicate so much time to relearn my own character. I still go to my local tourney once a month but I no longer aim for top 3 anymore. I go have a few beers with my cousin and try not to go 0-2. Haha
Fighting games are my absolute favorite games, but they are a lot to keep up with.
FGs are part of the broad category of video games that get the player into a gameplay-loop involving going back and forth between the game and finding content on youtube to improve. Devs haven't really done a good job of establishing that kind of cycle where the player can learn from what happened although it's gotten a lot better since the revitalization in 2008. The type of organization and effort that players had to put into the game in the past is a lot different than the type of effort that players have to get used to now days.
The amount of players that private message me in battle hub and ask for advice, and then I take them to training mode and get them to play "jumps and sweeps" as a mini-game... and then watch them go up 2 or 3 ranks or even reach master rank is astounding. The game doesn't facilitate the process of learning the materials because the effort to passively get better is just not good enough because the player isn't engaging with what is understood to actually improve which is direct feedback and opportunities for repetition in common scenarios for better pattern recognition.
Tbf anyone that doesn't actively go to locals or tournaments is already considered a casual in most peoples eyes in the FGC.
Fighting games definitely require you to have a proper knowledge of the game to have fun.
I feel like the real difference between a pro and a casual is how hard they want to overcome a certain plateau in learning the game once they get there.
fighting games feels like the only games you have to know frame data for.
I agree so hard with the learning stuff. In SF4 me being good was just enough. Now, I have to study every character just to be certain I have frame advantage and all that other shit.
I think there is a lot of truth and I can relate to some of it as im a new player trying to learn SF6 as my first fighting game, the information is indeed overwhelming, and i am definitely not trying to be a pro. But these knowledge checks and difficulties can be found in other genres too, I am a life long keyboard and mouse gamer, played tons of FPS titles/MMOs and MOBAs. I still think the MOBAs are just as if not more complex than fighting games to some degree, you have to deal with character matchups in those games too, but even more you gotta deal with character matchups within team compositions which can change everything entirely depending on how they constructed their team, and that shit goes super deep when you talk about the way players choose to itemize in those games. Games like Overwatch and Rainbow Six Siege in the FPS realm can also get really confusing to learn with all the specific matchups you will face 1v1 up to 5v5... it is all just so varied.... Keeping this type of stuff in the back of my mind while trying to wrap my mind around learning a fighting game has been instrumental. So i definitely get why Fighting Games can make you mad, I think anyone who has undertaken learning one of these confusing games can relate, cheers bro.
More fighting game content please ! This was dope
I've felt this on every level. It's so hard for me to enjoy fighting games if I'm not putting everything I've got into them
At launch I do enjoy avoiding ranked play to get casual matches against a majority of the roster for a few weeks, just so I don't lose terribly by knowledge checks out the gate. That way I have a general idea of what everybody does but also what I personally struggle with most. Love content and conversations like this, subscribed!
I've done it, I've become casual.
After 24 years, I’m gonna try and actually learn MVC2…..lol
I feel the same way. I don’t get online to casually get my ass beat for an hour
Oh shit we got a whole second channel now, big rob movin up in the world
Eh Rob. Glad you are pushing your own stuff but I hope you return to the mic because you are one of the few that makes it fun. For me I just couldn't find a character that I liked in 6...
Oh I’m def still hosting!
@@RealRobTeeVee great. Thanks for responding. That's nice
I stopped playing fighting games online. Dudes get a couple combos in and the fight is over. Some guys know combos so good you might not ever touch the ground until the match is over. 😩
I liked SF4 because the focus mechanic actually required tons of skill. Using it to bait or to attack was something every character could do but mastering it put you at an extreme advantage.
This spot on homie especially the shxt about Rashid man i just cant understand how to beat that character
4:29 honestly I get this so hard I can't just jump into a fighting game and "play" I need to learn because to me that's the fun part. The mind games, the combos, the mental stack its fun to me. I love going into training mode and learning its apart of the game for me. If I don't figure out how to play I feel like I'm missing "the fun" if that makes sense
I think this is true because you will see the people that say they're casual, but then say someone is "sweating" when they're beating them. If you're actually casual you wouldn't care about someone beating you. All levels of play want to win and get better, not everyone knows how and different people have different plateaus.
If you get mad at any competitive type of sports or games, you need to take a leave because one day it can ruin your relationship with friends or love ones if theyre involve.
The patch note point you made is why i totally understand folks that are "necros" (people that only play the old games). Having to learn matchups is a lot of work. To have to relearn them over and over is just too much.
Thank you
This video is so relatable coming from tekken. I started playing in tekken seven with the intention of taking it slow and learningvthe game as I go. All this time and I'm still a scrub. I still dont get to play mindgames unless its a specific character.
Honestly once i put the effort to learn how my character works and the fundamentals of the game i was able to brain off just play some casual matches and have fun
in my opinion the only thing thats ruining fighting games is constant patching. I wish someone was just make a game thats finished and just keep it at that
Being a pro gamer is like being fluent in a language.
Different players are different people with different skill levels. Just because you don't speak English, Spanish, French,etc well doesn't make you "trash", a "scrub" or a "noob." You just aren't fluent...yet.
The same thing goes for understanding gaming. Becoming skilled at gaming requires practice of techniques, reading/recognizing cues, and thinking about what you want to express thoughtfully. Language is the same way.
Practice makes you pretty good. People who aren't skilled haven't spent enough time with the discipline...yet.
I get u, but i also think you dont have to lab every character to enjoy the game, as long as youre okay with losing you can do all your labing during games, if a set up looks like a safe jump and you not quite sure, od dp and if it hits not a safe jump, if it doesnt then now you know. for eg, i always struggled against honda in sf6, cause every honda after headbutt would mash light punch and it would always counter hit me out of a cr. MK, to the point where i thought it was plus( my friend also said it was plus too), i just go to practice, do headbutt to see the frame data, find out its -3, and i was like oh so if i mash cr. MP ill always counter hit them if they try to mash, and thats what happened against the next hondas.
What im saying is the method i implemented, just lab during the games, cause even if you lose, you were gonna lose regardless, atleast this way u can get real world data on what to do against a player. The fun part of fighting games is the fighting, so why not do the not so fun part while your having fun atleast. cause we are all the same if we find something that works we keep on doing it until it stops working, which means your opponent is most likely gonna do the same thing until it stops working
This is what has helped me and saved me from labing every character in the game,(i cant escape labing combos sadly).
Great video man
You got Rashidod in Ranked 😅. I know it. I feel you bruh.
SF6 is my first fighting game and I said the exact same thing. The game doesn't make sense or become a good game until you've learned an absolute ton of stuff. Having to learn stuff is primary, a way bigger deal than skill (the stuff we play the game for).
Compare this to a game like Quake, 2 new players can get the basics down and have a good duel with each other after just 50 hours, even if they've never played an FPS before.
This channel shouldn’t be all fighting games, but it would be interesting to see you documents some aspects of your journey as you get the rust off. Your unique perspective as a former pro is pretty helpful to bridge the gap in content.
What I mean is that most TH-cam content in fgc is geared towards onboarding complete beginners, but you dropping ten minute videos documenting aspects of the derust you find interesting could be useful for those diamond - low MR master players
All of this work is how I figured out fighting games would always just be a hobby for me. Once I reached a certain level and realized how high I still had to climb it wasn’t fun anymore. I just don’t love fighting games enough to study that hard. Still always enjoy watching though.
My boy never came back after losing karin's cr mk !!! Joking great video 😊
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thats why i always keep gg+r installed. that shit is set in stone and theres always people playing on ranked.no matter what else i go do when im come back theres people playing. it may take some time to shake off the rust but the player base, the matchups, and the combos are gonna be the same. same shit for all those fightcade games too man. keep an OG game in the tuck man, its good for ya.
I watched your main channel
Never thought you’d be a fighting game fan too I’m a huge one aswell.
lol but he is not only a fan but a local champion who won cpt midwest before also official commentator
@@why313 yup his the real deal
I feel you! Being a dev for a fighting game must be annoying as hell trying to make the casuals and hardcore fans happy at the same time
Nice take! Never thought you were a pro player, I just started watching FGC content last year when SF6 come out, watching you host games is entertaining especially the RBK tournament!
Also need that hosting energy here, cause the vid doesnt feel like a rant :D but nevertheless the vid still good!
Just what I needed clarified thanks
Ive been the "i'll play sf6 again" guy. Too grown to have fun lol gotta win or at least tryhard for my own ego. So after DBFZ, GG, and KOF, i was burnt in terms of learning frame data again. Jamie just got buffed though so......
The knowledge and character speaking different languages pisses me off. The more unpredictable a character is the harder they are to play against for me. Which is why my tier lists will always be completely different from most. The easier the matchup is to understand and play against, the lower that character is on the tier list. Which means in SF6, all shotos are at the bottom. And characters like Rashid, Blanka, AKI, Kimberly, JP are at the top. I could put Dhalsim there as well, just maddening to play against. I hate going against awkward characters.
1. A few things that makes me mad is how aggressive they’re making these fighting games now. Defense is becoming less and less potent. 2. The devs don’t even allow you to lab against the paid DLC characters without having to buy them and making DLC way too strong.
3. Making gameplay mechanics way too easily accessible to new players enough where it carries them like the heat system in tekken or like drive rush/impact in sf6. It’s frustrating enough already and these new things are get outta jail free cards for actually being outmatched/outsmarted by your opponent. Lets get back to the real neutral/footsies.
These new era fighting games are ponsi-scheme’s. They are tournament based and a new fighter is now introduced every “season” in order to create a new battlefield. New in-game tech’s, regardless of a players playstyle, can ultimately determine the outcome depending on a characters speed. It’s not how a fighter fights; it narrows down to speed and the new in-game color coded tech’s. All AAA fighting games have them now and the faster a fighter is along w/the new tech’s ultimately win’s. It’s just not skill based or fun anymore.
Knowledge on a game can be fun too, the patches and updates helps keep the game fresh and are needed, I get what you are tryin' to say, getting good takes time, and not everyone has it, still, when you mannage to get to a certain level it really feels rewarding as f*ck, nowadays the info you need to get even better it's at the palm of your hand, tons of videos that help a lot, and if you are feelin' kinda burned out, you can always lay back and play some other game genre's to ease up that feel.
I've played a lot of fighting games these pass years..
From Fighterz, Tekken7-8, Street4-6, Mk 10-1, naruto storm 2-connections, Xenoverse 1-2, Multiversus, Brawlhalla, Soul Caliber 6, Jump force, Dead or Alive, UFC 5-6 and more from Blaze Blue to Underknight....
Theres definitely you start to understand while learning these games and the players behind it. The people who claim casual like braindead fighting games from easy-mid easy being like multiversus and mid to Fighterz... They dont want super hard battles and they want the win earned but easy. Until the casuals run into the ppl who arent, then they stop playing...
Then you have the dedicated Casual, the one who plays a character and then embodies said character. This is the the introduction to pro moves because when you learn a character, you start to learn the game. Tekken, DOA,
SF and these type games are demanding that you get personal with a character because you cant depend on another character to support you like Jump Force and Storm or Fighterz where you can get saved by not having character knowledge.
The pros level is being able to approach these games at any time understanding types of characters so you can pick what suits you best then proceed to work out the game as you get familiar with it. Everything else should come naturally
If fighting games could make learning all of this stuff come via normal gameplay they'd be the most popular genre of game... but they still have a million moves that behave differently to how they appear (disjointed hitboxes, unintuitive frame data etc). SF6 is my first fighting game I've ranked in... I got diamond after ~80hours, but still have zero clue how to actually play the game. no footsies, no parries, no drive rushes... just neutral skipping, DI spamming and a single high damage combo, lol
Speaking straight facts. Although I do see it as a problem. I feel like there should always be an element of skill vs skill over knowledge checking at all levels of play. And thats definitely missing from all fighting games today imo.
Are fighting games doing good? I guess? I feel like they could be doing WAY better if there was that more raw player vs player mind games happening right from the get go.
Anyways keep spittin and stay up homie!
You speaking facts only time in fighting games u can just pick up and play and have fun is it u playing with your boys and y'all all pretty causal level . Being online that is ova with lol.
If you want to be good at a fighting game, you need someone who is better than you, in almost every aspect of the game, neutral, close, far, air. Then you need to try everything in your power to open them up, make them do things, so you can put yourself in a better position, learn what position not to put yourself in. Also depends heavily which fighting game we talking bout, they play so different for each, like you cant really get away with zoning in tekken or street fighter imo but mk bro, learning a whole other playstyle. People seem to only like a fighting game thats 1v1, So Naruto ninja storm connections is gonna be hard for the vast majority of people who dont wanna put in time.
Too real for this rob , loved the advice.
I think this is a problem few people have. Given your situation as a pro player and wanting to return after a few years. There are definitely casual players. I have friends who do nothing but queue up in ranked. They don’t learn anything new and they have a 1 dimensional game plan. They don’t lab at all. But they boot up the game and have fun playing ranked.
Playing for fun rearely is fun. Games only really become fun once oyu start learning stuff and solving problems. Playing for fun usually means griefing in most games
Dope post bro. You are dead on 100%
Has RobTV been cancelled as a host/comentator? Is he retired? Or what? It's been a long time since the last time I saw him in that role.
Fighting games were only fun with friends on the couch. Arcades would bring some challenge with playing against random people irl. Now it's just no fun unless youre trying to be the best. Fighting games are only for the tournament players now.
I can see your point I grew up in the Chinatown fair era and 2 not waste your money you had to kick a** and basically not have fun casually it sucked
Man SF6 is my first FG and I got 350 + hrs and I'm at plat4. It's hard to learn fighting games
At plat4 you are better than ~70% of the player base. It is all about how good you want to get.
@@roncrudup2110 I'm just trying to enjoy the journey