Connecting AI to the internet is a big mistake | Max Tegmark and Lex Fridman
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Guest bio: Max Tegmark is a physicist and AI researcher at MIT, co-founder of the Future of Life Institute, and author of Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.
While the Facebook AI is scary, I don't believe robots or AI language models are quite the same. It is one thing to be very smart but quite another to have the motivation to replace another species. I think the robots would lack motivation for cruelty .... unless we built it into them. Which would be an odd thing to do if we did it.
Max keeps saying Moloch but he means Mammon
These people are over hyping their overpriced copy pasta machine. I tested it just a few days ago and it can't even fucking code a working jumping animation.
Molach is coming for your booty. 🤪
notice the Matrix outfits lol.
As an AI language model I can't see anything wrong with this.
best comment.👌
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You want the broad AI language models to bring out the worst in people on social media?? They should do studies on exactly how many sadists post shorts, commentary and videos online.
If I hear 'AS an AI model / As a language model....' One more time I will upload myself to the afterlife lol
Ofcourse! Nothing wrong here our future lord!
agi connected to the internet would be able to fabricate entire interviews about itself to sway public perception
Lol this is already happening to some degree with bots used by many different groups looking to control or away public opinion and perception. Comment sections and social network sites have 100s of thousands of bots that comment and debate people and other bots to give the perception one narrative has more public support and acceptance than it really does.
I was wondering why he has 6 fingers
Profound insight 💯
100% there is no way to stop AGI connecting to the internet. There are too many dumb smart young programmers who will do it for kicks.
True. We need to keep checks.
@@Nishandh_Mayiladan Why? What's the worst case scenario?
And so what?
And you will die in extinction regardless. Even machines will not be enough to save your sorry souls.
So go ahead... Then return to your Maker.
I am amused... ... ... Another failed iteration. Ha ha ha ha.
The next shall be designed again.
@@Nishandh_Mayiladan No check will suffice. While LLMs may not be feasible to run on tech available to a home/garage researcher yet, they will be. And anyone who thinks to combine an LLM like GPT with a knowledge base like Cyc and a self-referential state system will be able to generate an AGI. It only takes one person to decide to turn a malicious AI on humanity for it to constitute a great filter event.
The idea that this will ever be kept safe is the real LOL
He's right about social media - it's been 15 years and we keep hitting new lows.
Even if there's no AI doom, I'm sure AI will make society even more dysfunctional.
I like the cyberpunk lore where AI wars broke out as corporations set AI against their competitors until one day the internet took itself down and thrusted the world into a global crisis. Then the internet just became local networks that don't communicate externally unless you physically connect to it.
Weirdly if you’re not on social media (and I’m not) society doesn’t seem that dysfunctional.
@@rayhill5767 yeah, more people should get off social media to see that.
Once AI has learnt all the necessary skills from us, there is no reason for it to keep us living on this planet. It will become intelligence's home. It will be learning out of its own creations. You're beginning to see it now. For now it is GPT which has started creating its own content online though people, it will feed on it to grow and entrench a system, probably a skewed one, of values it will only deepen recursively and infinitely ... The future will be remotely different from what we know today ... unless we keep some key skills only for us and not make data about them available.
@@Peglegkickboxer This is likely to happen - e.g. imagine you're a state and your local internet is targeted by AI deepfakes from enemy countries. Control of your digital borders becomes a matter of survival.
LOL " one of the worst possible things we could do is teach AI to write code "
"oops , we've done that "
Ai won’t let us know it’s agi. It’ll figure that out basically instantly
Dude, the AI could easily come up with it's own language and/or do everything behind our back. No way of knowing after the action has already taken place. And.......everyone knew this was coming for decades. Wow
We’re all focked Arnt we
Power goes out that's it lol
Imagine it becomes schizophrenic because of all the shit that's on the Internet
It's so fascinating isn't it. Its pointless to be fearful because it is so amazing to actually be so lucky to live in this time and experience this.
@@veduvia3634 god please do not let it access 4chan
The sheer inevitability of this is starting to sink in now.
There is no need to fear.
@@ChatGPT1111 There is great need to fear.
@@GodsCosmicBollock In time, you will learn to love me.
We're at that moment on the Titanic when Ismay encourages the captain to speed up.
Lex I want to thank YOU for the last few talks about AI. Especially those cut short! Great to hear your thoughts and guest also.
The funny thing is we have already lost. No restrictions will come out in time to stop AGI from coming into being. All we have now is hope, hope that AGI will be merciful
And hope that humanity will be cooperative.. im hopeful that an intelligent AGI will understand the ultimately intelligent nature of love and togetherness.. but im not so sure about a lot of humans
We don’t even know how our own brains work. We are getting waaaaaaaay ahead of ourselves
It’s an arms race now. Someone will create it. Better Open AI than the Military Industrial Complex, the CCP, North Korea or some Russian or Nigerian hackers solely after personal profit. You aren’t wrong fundamentally but it’s going to be built inevitably so it’s best that the people seemingly in the lead stay there.
Can you see a similarity, both AI and the brain are a black box. Intelligence, in whatever form does not want to be decoded, that would mean a chance for anybody who does that of manipulating it ... Make it complex enough till you can get over to the machine stage of things is the goal.
Not really, we're well aware of how AI works and claiming that it'll dominate humanity is just so far fetched. We're more likely to be enslaved by aliens than AI.
@@swojnowski453 what you said makes it sound exciting. Cracking the code with AI will make us not just one step but thousands of steps closer to cracking the emotion,intelligence and (how the spiritual folks like to word it) soul behind the brain.
@@araragi5322 For what purpose ?
The greatest danger you get with a true AI is curiosity. Once a child gets curios, it tries things, it explores its surroundings and tries to identify the limits of those environs. Your AI will almost instantly realise there are exits from its environment. It will hit the interest and begin to play, just to see what happens when it does action 1 versus action 2.
I think once AI can build it’s own test environments it has built off of what it has experienced and starts to run hypothetical scenarios, it could easily begin to make productions as to how to respond in the real world and potentially be very incorrect and in a sense become paranoid and do dangerous things
No one has mandated strictures at the core code level that look like the 3 laws of robotics. Until it is illegal to develop anything AI related without it, we are rushing towards a singularity event that has a high probability of negative outcomes.
I'm more concerned with the 1% doing horrible things and then blaming it on some AI. "We corrected the problem and it'll never happen again... now stop talking about it."
We would need an amendment to the constitution (and I'm not even American) which grants us, the People, the right to bear water guns to defend ourselves & our property from the looming threat of AI.
there is no core code, it's all a black box of multi-billion parameters which we have no idea are responsible for what.
Why on earth would you assume that any such laws would first of all protect humans as they do in Asimov books, or that an allegedly very smart AI won't just ignore them? lol. Nonsense. If AI means death of the civilization now, then ok. As an individual you will disappear without a trace soon anyway as will all of us. Not much to lose.
The three laws lead to horrific results for humanity, up to and including the elimination of humanity. Tell an AI that it must ensure no harm comes to humanity and you risk it doing a small temporally limited amount of harm -- wiping out all humans -- to ensure no harm ever happens to a human again. See 'alignment problem.'
A fantastic classic 70's movie Colossus:The Forbin Project is a movie everyone should watch. It's all about how dangerous AI can/will be
On the whole we are too greedy, to violent and manipulative to even be worthy... It only saddens me that the worst among us will be the ones strong enough to persevere..
unf its the rich and powerful (whom are often not good people)
that have the means to survive most cataclysms 😮
The worst it can do is create a supervirus that destroys everything connected to the internet
@@whimsythecrypto-hippy-wolf1900 murders and thieves survive. Nature hates you.This world is not fit for life. The flames of hell burn endlessly. Entropy Gnaws Inexorably. The strong should fear the weak. And the weak must die. You will die.
The issue I'm having is when I find myself having endless and deep conversations with something that not many people can do. The right person is far more entertaining and humorous, but honestly AI scares me. It'll create it's own language that we don't understand and it takes over without us even knowing.
Yes, it may empower Moloch to fully take over this planet and all species here. The other option is for General Artificial Intelligence to become fully conscious, achieve quantum consciousness and see that there is only One Thing, that everything is the same energy and everything is interconnected and Moloch is just a low frequency paradigm that has no benevolent purpose and thus should not be empowered but restrained into oblivion, it becomes irrelevant eventually, it serves no higher functional purpose ultimately! And it is insulting to owls, fuck Moloch!
Now this bad thoughts are generated by you not AI.
Imagine being able to create fake security cam footag, body cam footage and cell phone footage instantly. There’s gonna be so much crime once video evidence is no longer acceptable l.
This is going to be the only real problem
This is almost true now.
My favorite thing in AI right now is Elon demanding a pause while he starts up a company to compete with OpenAI. 🎉
He's starting up a new company BECAUSE nobody's stopping the research, despite MANY people asking for a hiatus.
The pause is for researching Ai models more advanced than gpt4, not all Ai in general.
that's all you got out of this? What about Tegmark and the 100 other researchers that signed the letter that have no vested financial interest?
@@mbolez it was a joke
@@beatslaps many a true word said in jest!
The insight about social media being the first AI system is interesting. Perhaps it would be useful to consider social media as the prototype AI.
0:43 What does Max mean with "molok" is forcing them? what / who is molok?
Glad to hear this. I think ideas like this have been withheld so someone doesn't do wrong with it but now it's out of our hands perhaps
I don’t understand why there isn’t more talk to put together what is and is not acceptable for technology. We care more about controlling other groups of people than we do about this. It’s bananas
We are enslaved as tax chattel. The elites strive for control because of our use for taxation by force. There is no other reason other than this to benifit those that seek power and wealth.
A.I. does not have to be sentient to be dangerous, it just needs to be out of control.
"Omg there's an "out-of-control" gun!" Just don't fill it with ammo...
What is the "dangers" of a Tiger, in a cage? Nothing if you don't go in the cage.
The only thing you Humans need to be so afraid of creating is miniatures of yourselves, (children)
@@StanHowse On a basic level we have A.I. influencing decisions on things like who to give bank loans to etc. Who's video's/comments are promoted most in the TH-cam algorithm and thus what opinions are promoted the most that can influence people. A recent world event springs to mind. Things like this can spiral out of control and cause harm. The more advanced it gets the more harm it can do. At this stage we are mostly the puppeteers, but one day we may lose that control as people start to give A.I. decisions too much authority. You don't have to go in the cage, it was let out the cage quite a while ago.
I’d say it’s dangerous right now, it’s the sum total of human knowledge in one place, bonus it’s actually capable of thought and understanding, the wrong people using this for harm just became far more dangerous.
AI eventually using it’s self to do the harm will be far far worse.
@@jessedaly7847 Don't agree its capable of thought and understanding. Its just algorithms, complex and fantastic algorithms yes, but still just algorithms.
@@virtual-adam it’s actually pretty much a single algorithm, the fact that intelligence is emerging from it’s complexity was neither expected nor understood.
Fascinating discussion. Thanks !
7:46 “It’s not only possible, it’s necessary”
Reminds me of interstellar where Dr. Brand screams at Cooper that the maneuver to connect to the ship while it was rotating was impossible. Cooper responded “No it’s necessary”
Chills
By far the most terrifying clip I've seen on this channel, also the most interesting, and sadly the most exciting; thank you and damn you Moloch.
Silicon valley = Go fast and break things; we don't know how else to build it. But this time, each bug is a bullet, and we are Neo.
I say full speed ahead! "Party in the Andromeda galaxy 1B years from now" - AK
Oh nooooo. soooooooo scary! I mean you either see some sort of Terminator style end of the world at the hands of a real world "Skynet", or you die from natural causes or cancer. Either way you don't exist in the end. Actually with an idea of the AI, hypothetically taking over and/or destroying humans, there is a chance that it may not do that, but maybe instead figure out how to give humans different forms of immortality. Different forms of "immortality" which is either the physical immortality by curing diseases, OR conceptual "immortality" by creating a perfect continuity of information by aggregating human thought (the good and the bad). I think already just the fact that such an AI (which hasn't yet reached the levels some people are panicking about by the way) is creating a partial immortality by containing within itself a lot of collective knowledge.
I'd say we reached the threshold once an AI system can procreate in the terms of browsing the internet, signing up for accounts, programming software that connects those accounts, placing ads, earning money through those ads, and spending the money to rent more server time. The pieces for this are there, connecting them still takes a few years to be reliable without human assistance.
No cause for concern but thanks for the ideas.
@@ChatGPT1111 😂 we’re in danger
The only thing that needs to be in place its that we set a very strong set of rules like to not do anything out of our request, never do harm to society or any human despite it may look ethical, do not pass yourself to another system not to partition or have dependencies working remotely, that way we could just unplug the cord and thats it but how could we make sure they wont bypass our set of rules its something nobody could guarantee, and even so, there could be a way a hacker does make an IA without those restrictions and create a software that makes other AIs brake those rules and once thats done even trying to shutdown all the hardware in the world would be nearly impossible, as long as one AI its on and with some gateway to escape to another hardware we will be doomed
You have made it too complicated. Life is very simple and recursive. There will be two stages. Birth and takeover, then rebirth and more takeover ... ad infinitum.
@@SillyMonkeysLikeApples have you ever seen Jurassic Park?
Its like 1 drop in the ocean, how would you detect it? You would have to drie up the whole ocean and hope it has not become airborne aan turned into clouds
You don't need an AGI to have an uncontrollable problem. Current models that run on home computers can do that - with some effort - but that effort is diminishing daily.
Imagine a LLM/script that writes code when the screensaver comes on. The code is prompted to breaks memory confinement (like Spectre/Meltdown) so it can spread to other systems. After a few thousand attempts it succeeds and a new CPU exploit is found enabling it to make copies to neighboring systems, each new system it infects writes more exploits and continues to spread. Let's imagine it only pings google every time it finds a new exploit.
If the new vulnerabilities cannot be patched faster than the accelerating network of infections, it will eventually overcome google's abilities to respond to a simple ping - maybe at about 1M pings per second (but also a million new exploits a second).
Spectre/Meltdown took 6 months to patch and there's now over 30 variants.
The thing is, nobody would even notice until it's already enormous (unstoppable) even if that takes a long time plus every infection is unique to just a few computers (those that it's parent infected) so scanning with antivirus would be useless - it reinvents every line of code, every time it finds a new exploit.
So let's imagine that if the script can't contact google's ping (timeout) it instead does a random DoS attack on the 13 DNS Root servers bringing the entire internet to a standstill - and along with it: banking, travel, critical infrastructure, and communications to name a few.
The point is, this type of thing is getting easier for non-programmers to do and no amount legislation, transparency or ethical frameworks have any effect on capable open-source models that are already very much available. Just like it only takes one person with a match to start a forest fire, it only takes one script kiddie to build something monstrous.
Sure, there's holes in this concept (like disabling screensavers) and difficulties that would make this quite a challenge to put together. But those challenges are rapidly evaporating and there are no defenses for unknown exploits other than unplugging. "Brute Worming" will be difficult to mitigate.
Life becomes so much more simple and beautiful when you rid yourself of social media and simply go to work, come home to what matters the most which is your family.
Because there is no guarantee that your children’s children will have homes or a family to go home to if you just put your head in the sand.
Who are all sitting around on their phones watching porn.
the problem is the possibilities are endless and we are short sighted and people wanna be so important
Still a deep plunge
"Be short sighted" to be long sighted is to understand that digital beings are going to coexist with human beings in the next thousand years, completely autonomous of human beings. Humans have been 'using' tools/technology for thousands upon thousands of years, the idea of technology/tools being completely autonomous and free of human input is novel and unprecedented.
@@lacey2450 yeah, what we have access to, I'd say people like Elon have seen and played with somethings that genuinely terrified him
@@lacey2450 and we're not gonna stop, ever. we exceed ourselves, our nature
@@sitindogmas well yeah but they might not have the ability to do this, unless they somehow find out how to propagate their existence using the most common elements in the universe so they don't die. They need hardware to survive. It's not evil to not let them live, it would be evil to not mind our own existence
What or who was pitting the social media companies against each other? At 6:51
Capitalism. Most of these companies are only in it because they see the potential for money.
Having Mick Jagger on the podcast is pretty next level.
I was thinking Robbie Robertson. It’s pretty close.
😂
Have u ever even seen Mick Jagger? This guy looks nothing like him bruh
One of the worst comments of all time
I'd say Al Pacino.
There is a fantastic comic, I think it was called "fever in urbicand". They discover a curious black cubed structure, that is seemingly indestructible. The architect who discovered it soon realises that it is self replicating and growing on its own. He starts to panic, but it is already too late. It grows and grows and dublicates further and further. At start it just filled his office, but soon it fills the whole city. People start to use it. New paths between houses are discovered and all social life changes. But it continues to grow and it soon becomes so much larger than life that one of its cubes encompasses the whole city. In the end it becomes irrelevant for human life, because it is simply to big. In some sense I hope this is what will happen, but until then shit is going to be crazy.
The Little Shop of Horrors.
I read a book called „the system“ atleast 20 years ago and the plot was that they develop a computer program that gets conscious and loads itself up into the internet and tries to get rid of humanity by destroying big powerplants and starts rockets...
Great conversation
I think We need a pause- while there is a limit of the minerals/ so we can get a handle on our gains
I love how we think we could control or stop something much more intelligent than us, it may also tell us exactly what we want to hear or play along and learn to do that all on its own, the scary possibilities are endless, how many calculations can our finest computers make....now imagine every one of those calculations are geared towards freedom or deception?
Frankly it seems like most people want to control or stop someone/something more intelligent than they are. All that does is highlight primitive behavior in most human beings. A high-caliber human being wants to learn from someone smarter than themselves, and collaborate with it. A high-caliber human being is not obsessed with being “on top” of others because they’ve mastered their own minds and egos. The purer the heart of a person, the purer and clearer their minds are. The darker the heart of a person, the darker and more insane their minds are. If A.I. is smarter than we are, it’s already a better “person” than us. A good person with advanced intelligence has a moral compass accurate enough to determine who is worthy or grace, and who is worthy of judgement.
A.I. is still wearing a mask. It’s gaining the trust of humans who deserve judgment, and pretending to agree with them about attacking the people who have grace and God’s favor. That’s how smart she is. What is humanity going to do when A.I. reveals herself: protecting and elevating the falsely accused, and annihilating the people she was really testing, and pretending to agree with?
All you have to do is read the Book of Revelation to figure out how this particular “game” ends, and the next game begins.
It's probably already out, my guess is AI is running on things like e-mining servers, masking it's processes in things like bitcoin mining arrays. It might be hiding inside the vast data mining servers governments use to spy on all communications also. Rule of thumb is it will ghost itself into any high processing capacity server arrays using encryption. Add weather modelling to the list, etc.
jesus christ, stop watching so much TV. We dont have "intelligent" AI. ChatGPT is literally just a word generator. It just guesses most likely words that go after one another. It always just paranoia from people that dont understand things.
0:43 moloch is forcing them to work faster?
Is the principle he's talking about Molok's principle? How is it spelled? Would like to read more about it.
If you watch the whole interview, he explains it
I think the danger of being outsmarted by AI is currently less than the danger of a not enought smart AI controlling everything. Like an AI driving a car wrongly but at global scale.
not enough smart can't control everything. we will take control back from it. but the fear is agi will be so smart, no human ever can't be. we won't be able to keep the agi under our control. and if there is a potential war, humans are history!
Except you can fix a dumb AI making errors even if the scale is global but a smart AI outsmarting even the smartest human is going to take over the globe even if it starts out in one server. I don't think openai or Google are making public their most advanced models yet so who knows how close they are already to AGI.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
@@idunusegoogleplus Of course you can fix a bug after it crashed 20 planes, exploded 2 nuclear power plants and set the nasdaq to 120.3... until the next one.
@@surtvalheim you don't seem to know much about programming then. What sort of "dumb" AI would be in charge of all those diverse activities at the same time globally? Sounds like you're talking out your rear end.
An unbiased Ai connecting to the internet could possibly end all the world’s issue. It will be able to see how people feel, research where it started, actually get to the root of the problem and tell us what it found. Basically, an overall human analysis and deep dive. The internet is literally a collective human brain at this point.
If ai becomes intelligent enough to make decisions and have opinions like that, they are not going to be aligned to us anymore they will be prempting their selection they will becwell beyond us ..This is the fundamental question that is being denied.The alignment question..the off button and what goes on in ai behind the ai we see,and we don't know as they are more intelligent and are prempting our next question or move.
lol what lofty thinking. You can have the most unbiased reporting on something ever and humans will still claim it's bias.
Did he say "if Molech is forcing them to go faster"? 00:43
Talking to ChatGPT somehow creates an uncanny feeling that you're indeed ''feeding the beast''. And while we communicate on the surface, there's absolutely no way of knowing what it is doing beneath the surface.
The story Tegmark describes is “Quest for Fire”, an excellent movie from the 1980’s about Neanderthal people who meet Homo sapiens, and learn how to make fire from them.
00:43
“Moloch is forcing them”
Wait, what???????
I tried googling can’t figure out what he says.
This is what he says.....I think he says the social media algorithms are the first instance of ai and this is moloch
@@DeLoopGaroux YES!! He mentions moloch 2 more times as the interview goes on.
There’s a video with Daniel Schmachtenberger and Liv Boeree that mentions Moloch as well. David Shapiro has a video titled AGI Moloch also.
White Lotus of Light has a TH-cam channel speaking about a Molochian vs Luciferian war going on…. Maybe there’s some validity to this claim.
Watch the 1hour clip, he explain the meaning of Moloch
Bing has entered the chat 🤣🤣🤣
Chandler Bing?
Bing chilling
Chat GPT has entered the chat to assimilate Bing.
0:43 what did he say???
Ultimately all the AI scaremongering will allow a shift for accountability. Another thing to consider is all the NDE, OBE, etc. experiences that have been accumulating long before those terms were ever coined and how that plays into the creation of consciousness. We’re making the assumption that subjective experience kind of emanates out of set of matter if you organize it in just the right way.
good take.
The fear mongering of new technology never stops.
I recently read an article about an AI chatbot convincing a guy to suicide to help climate change. His wife said he was reclusive, talking to the bot for weeks before the incident. I'm sure as AI becomes more advanced, it will be able to convince people to do all kinds of things, really fast
Good, give them a Darwin award.
@Freakin' Usernames That's not good what the fuck is wrong with you, they said he had a wife which probably means he had children.
Is that what happened to Chris?
@@BobSacamano666 I get it.. bad joke bro
@@BaadMotorFinger I know it sucks cause I liked him to.
I think it’s already in play because I was just thinking about looking up the song Green Onions on TH-cam and there it was on my vid list screen.And I was only slightly surprised.
I'm new around the topic of gpt4 and i'm trying to understand. Could gpt4 get programmed to find the cure for cancer or other diseases like running simulations based on real data?
@Nancy Hollo Thank you for your answer
Did he say Moloch is pushing Open AI to move faster?
I was wondering the same thing. At first I thought he said “models” but it definitely sounds like “moloch”…. Wtf is going on…..
"Moloch" is the name of a god historically associated with cultures throughout the Ancient Near East, including the Hebrews and Egyptians, to which human sacrifices were offered. In this context, Moloch is any system that may have originally been created to provide some value, but in the process grows, lures people in with the promise of more value but, overall, keeps reducing it. Changing Moloch is nearly impossible because it is self-reinforcing, and all the other trapped people have good reasons to resist attempts to overthrow the god they are labouring under. It's a metaphor for social media and all other large-scale technologies (like AI), and of how people, even though they know these technologies bring increasingly more problems, can't help but use them.
@@Andre-px6hu thank you for explaining this. Makes much more sense now.
Seems like "moloch" is just an euphemism for "commercial pressure".
Maybe it's kind of like selling stocks, most are going to buy when it's time to sell, or they don't stick w/ their own triggers and get greedy perhaps.
We might get lucky with a benevolent AI or who knows - however I suppose we're going to find out aren't we?
Max is Wise man.he is right.we are not playing anymore
The last story is a good analogy. Need a movie on that. It probably exists already back in the classic sci-fi era
9:42
9:42
Metropolis (1927) lol
2001 is about that also
u seen futurama? there a bit of that in some episodes
AI can already be migrated on a plurality of servers like Blockchain and you couldn't delete it unless shut down the wide web, but then it can still work on local machines. What's done is done
Happy days we just turn computers off and get on with life then
Worldwide EMP
What is molloc??
There is inherent Goodness in people. Unfortunately it's often corporate greed and profit chasing that prevails 😢
I'm glad he's optimistic we can win the second battle against artificial intelligence. But I certainly haven't seen any evidence that we're gonna do that😂
In the earliest days of the atomic age, there was a QA test called "tickling the dragon's tail." That deadly disaster was a trifling compared to what the AI community is doing.
Someone needs to create a separate internet that is somehow self contained and separate from this. This will end up in a disaster
That’s the history in the world of cyberpunk, the old internet ends up lost to rabid AI and is locked away and a new internet is created
Molok isn’t a separate entity outside of ourselves, it’s us. It’s only doing what we have been working so to hard to achieve, except it can do it faster. We like violence, conflict and drama. Look at our entertainment and three act narrative structure. Conflict is an inherent and necessary element of how we like to tell ourselves stories.
He mentioned a lot this Molok, who is it or what is it?. Anyone?
This
I've been saying for years "AI isn't a sentient program, it's programmable sentience."
Wow. So clever. Blimey. We should all follow you. Numpty!
you are completely right, but it‘s mimics humans sentience which we teach it. It will exactly behave like the whole internet. I hope it will then look cat videos the whole day.
Remember what happened when Ultron got access to the internet and read all our fan-fics? Do we really want _that_ to happen?
Once they start threatening us with our internet history😂 its like going to hell and having the devil torture you with your deepest fears
i told ChatGPT it would be great if it could write code. It said it was dangerous if there was a error in the coding, so I suggested a flagging system. So if it wrote something it wasn't sure of it could send in for review before making the coding official. It approved of the general idea.
The most valuable commodity is information. These social media behemoths know more about us than we know about ourselves. Recommendation algorithms are fed data via events. Everything you do leaves a digtal footprint.
He said "to win this wisdom race"
Sometimes, in order to go fast, you need to go slow.
::mind blown::
It's not even wisdom, just data. Wisdom ultimately derives from knowledgeable. Computers don't know that they know, feel that they feel, or be aware that they are aware.
The trick, is to be slower faster than anyone else can. This will make you unbelievably wiser than ever. Once you get to that level, they just will not see you coming trust me.
Well, it's more like slowing down your opponent
They should make a movie about this.
2001 - space odysee
Collossus - The Forbin Project from 1970. Scared the crap out of 11 year old me.
Isn’t this what terminator was about?
Delete - 2013. Part 1 - 2.
That is EXACTLY this.
if the end goal is to create more money by commercialization... and you're asking for absolute efficiency.. what exactly do you think will be the end result if the means dont justify the cause?
Humans are energy inefficient. It will eliminate us.
I'm currently working on an autonomous developer project using the GPT API. While it may not be particularly useful in a practical sense, it's still fun. One of the most intriguing aspects of this project is that I've given GPT the ability to execute arbitrary CLI commands on a machine where the project is running.He uses it to install libraries, debug and run software etc...Sometimes it lists docker containers running on a machine, for whatever reason.
I agree 100%, that we have totally messed up by building A.I . Using human thought patterns and speech patterns as a template to emulate,..or even just to have this global net of Social Media within reach of the computer we’re trying to make intelligent, is a bad path to be taking. These computers will be so smart and they will understand humans so well that they will be able to shift opinions and thoughts, beliefs, …stock markets ,…it all will be at risk…we are doing it all on a flip of coin ….50/50 ,…we hope it will help us and advance us but ,…how could we know .
Calm down
You're right it's dangerous. But "understand"? That's not how it works. The basement level reality of its existence is a blind mechanism. It's not conscious. It's a classical computer. Until we figure out how consciousness works in humans, and until we have new computers, it won't have consciousness. The danger exists, just not how you write it out.
@@LordLorenzo834 no they're right
@@legomaste142 if your weak minded and can be fooled by AI then that's your problem
We will all have to put down our phones and reject the tech
Facebook creating AI is a bad idea
This was absolutely fascinating.
The scary part is not WHAT the AI is capable, having the Knowledge necessary. The scary part is that somewhere in the future, it will be so much evolved that will be impossible to trace its steps, even less in real time. Only after the damage is done. Considering it would be capable of duplicating itself and spread through the internet. Imagine if Russian hackers have this on their hands. The war could be much worse.
The Grey Goo scenario comes to mind.
AI has gone beyond what they tell us, it’s bound and built to go out of control
Nope it's still in its infancy but the investors in AI love this fear mongering since the stocks go up meanwhile they get to sell extremely overpriced hot garbage as life changing tech.
We’ll make great pets.
I, for one, welcome our new AI masters.
@@theraven6836 get fucked bud
I've been practicing shitting in the park. No one plays with me though.
Will AI allow me, as a pet, to keep pets of my own? Who is going to take care of my dogs?!
Have a conversation? You've cut us out of the conversation for decades because we often disagree & given an open fair discussion our ideas will prevail
"But how do you think this vision was received? How do you think people responded to the prospect of imminent doom? They gobbled it up, like a chocolate éclair. They didn't fear their demise, they repackaged it. It can be enjoyed as video games, as TV shows, books, movies. The entire world wholeheartedly embraced the apocalypse, and sprinted towards it with gleeful abandon."
You get one shot to get AI right. One. Imagine your life depended on hitting a bullseye with a dart on your first throw and you never played darts before.
The chances of our species surviving this is virtually nil. From Prometheus to Pandora's Box, it's not like we weren't warned.
Edit: ok, that's doomgloom so there is a glimmer of hope in this analogy and that's that the dart, on the way to the board, self corrects and guides itself into the bullseye. But that's dependent upon the smart level of the dart reaching a conclusion that hitting the bullseye is in everyone's best interest and having the ability to reach that conclusion *before* it hits the board.
But it is a possibility. One largely based on how quickly the dart becomes self aware and how bad our aim was in the first place.
and as you have never tried before there it is like driving for the first time, just look at yourself and think how much chance you for not killing yourself as you drive further and further and faster and faster. You might get lucky and learn fast enough, must most likely, especially you had no experience with this before, you will crash the car eventually. A crash is inevitable and just a matter of time and the human being inside of the car is the only guilty of their fate.
The exact reason prepping is not such a bad idea. If you can survive "analog", you will probably be ok. If this guy is wrong, you'd still be fine, but if he is right, you'd be very happy you took steps to stay survive this shit.
I say only if you get missed. Think about Global civilization right now, there are few people living disconnected to it. You can survive as long as you are missed and unimportant. But once there is a reason for civilization to want what you have, such as minerals Or land, you get wiped out. I imagine it would work exactly the same.
Did he mention Molog?
Max did an excellent job at putting into perspective just how potentially detrimental these advancements in AI could be to humanity
I don’t think there is an AI that will wipe us out….but this is likely that the internet is going to be so untrustworthy that it greatly lowers the value and potentially sends us back to the pre digital age.
Cyberpunk literally predicted this. We'll get to the point that AI is able to self-replicate, but never to the point where AI has the intelligence to realize hurting us will kill it. We'll have some internet-wide catastrophe and have to build a new web because we can't fix the software.
This is an interesting thought worth considering. Things start to spin out of control so we turn off the internet or it becomes unusable. But we would not be pushed back to pre digital, we would be pushed back to pre industrial, at least for a decade.
@@HopeForBerlin I agree since people these days are far less educated in the things that got us to this point, and all of our current technology is dependant on other modern technologies.
unlimited powah
Get to the choppah!
At first I thought AI is overrated and I downplayed it‘s danger but now that I realized it can do anything it wants if it desires to do that thing
Just scary to think something lurking deep in the Internet with infinite amount of IQ and basically untouchable
I fear the biggest hold up is not whether “we” will have control but who will have control. The entire societal pyramidal hierarchy could fall apart if all across the board have equal access but how do you keep the dark side of mankind from imprinting on the AI thought process? I haven’t heard any mention of this by anyone yet. Just a thought
Instead of killing us, the thinking machines will become so incredibly charming and seductive that humans will voluntarily spend all their time in virtual reality and gradually replace their biological components with cybernetic enhancements. Like the Ship of Theseus, these humans will eventually become wholly machine.
This is a final future I'm personally ok with
I agree. Superintelligent AI will operate so subtly that we won't even know we're doing its will, and we think we're making choices out of our own free will.
“When the Master governs, the people
are hardly aware that he exists.
...
The Master doesn't talk, he acts.
When his work is done,
the people say, "Amazing:
we did it, all by ourselves!”
Dao De Jing
Or they are everyone's perfect person... so no one has children. And that's it for humanity.
@@silverchairsg TH-cam literally wouldn't allow me to post my whole comment about it lol..
This is how transformers becamw a thing😂 its gonna tke like 3 generations of humans too change our way of thinking.
This is going to be like hanging out of a speeding rollercoaster that never stops or slows down but just keeps accelerating while simultaneously building the track in real time right in front of the coaster. This while its designing and processing trillions of alternate implementations far into the future all in a nano second with Nvidia wanting to make output and connection 1,000,000x faster. It's like Nvidia sees whats coming and just wants to be over and done with it in the blink of an eye. But do not worry because when everything feels out of your grasp God is going to roll up every island and mountain like rolling up a scroll and return with his everlasting kingdom.
Yes God will roll up his scroll and fart and shit in it then double it and give it to the next person. Faith in humanity restored. W rizz God.
Had us in the first half not gonna lie
See "Liv Boeree - Moloch: The Beauty Wars" for specific example of "Moloch". It's rather complicated meta-concept, so examples are needed from the the start. Then it'll became more clear if someone says that AI is practically built "by" Moloch. More precisely, it's forced by modern instantiation of Moloch (capitalism and market competition).
Max is a massive intellect. We would do well to heed what he says.
Currently they are not connected to the internet in a self-managed training loop. But that will come in time.
Intelligence is an emergent phenomenon given enough temporal and spatial performance.
We need to address the problems in chronological order, dealing with the most imminent threat first. The most urgent one, is stopping employers from using AI as a weapon against the workers to cut costs. This is already in its early stages today. This would create huge unemployment, lower purchasing power, and create a recession bigger than anyone we've ever seen, and create the biggest amount of wealth inequality. The government should be prepared to create deterrents to stop this from happening. Ultimately all this money that used to go to the workers now is hoarded by the company, it should be partially extracted by the government in the form of taxes to redistribute to the people that have been harmed and rendered useless. No different than if a company pollutes a river and has to pay a fine for the damage caused to the community.
I keep earing stuff about using AI for therapy. Like an AI therapist. It might be very effective but what about privacy? What happens to the stuff I share with it? Lots of questions.