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Not really. I am perfectly happy to wait. Those that do leave are probably too immature. Every good adult knows how much time it takes to make animations. Especially officially licensed ones. Not to mention finding the right VA cast is difficult, plus the whole Union with the studio rules. Or the marketing and finding networks/platforms that will air it. I am tired of seeing kids these days who are so spoiled by getting everything so fast paced. They forgot how to be patient and empathetic beings. I waited 11 years for Diablo 3. People can chill.
@@asaknight321 Glad I found a fellow patient individual. I knew from the beginning that Hazbin Hotel would take a while, especially if they wanna do it right. I have faith that this is going to be a great series. Just like I like the "slower" episodes of Helluva Boss. It fleshes out the characters and builds the world's lore up. We can't have non-stop violence or we will get desensitized to it and then people will complain the action sequences are "too boring". There seems to be no winning with these bad faith actors who just want to be bitter all the time. So I learned to ignore them.
The drama surrounding Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss has gone in different directions in levels of crazy from individuals who have nothing but judgement. If many have time to create controversy for fictional shows than it’s just pathetic and pitiful in there part.
@Spookypumpkin32 He doesn't cause it. He points out how stupid it is and sets the record straight. With these videos we can link them to threads that spread misinformation. Its incredibly helpful and how we have used them to snuff out controversy people constantly try to redig up for no other reason than to cause drama. We NEED to talk about these things. That mentality is why victims often stay quiet. Being quiet doesn't solve your problems. It just means the victim keeps getting abused and misrepresented. Speaking up is the only way to shine the light on the truth. Which ultimately helps Vivzie and the team. Most of these people have admitted to doing it because the show is too popular, they heard some misinformation on the internet and took it as fact, or they purposely for it for fun.
It's not just Helluva and Hazbin that people make drama from, people have been creating drama about Viv for years now, especially with stuff like Zoophobia. It just seems like Viv can't escape drama, I don't know why people target her so much, like you can call Hazbin and Helluva bad but Zoophobia was pretty damn good and even that got targeted.
To be fair, in regards to one of your points on MatPat's theory, IMP actually _would_ be the biggest threat to Charlie (or rather, her goal) that we know of so far, despite being low-ranking. They not only have access to the living world (something only the highest grade of Demon has in common with them), but unlike other Demons with access to the living world, they regularly use said access to kill people. And not only do they kill people, but 100% of the people they kill end up in Hell, considering they did something bad enough to warrant a Sinner wanting them dead. If IMP becomes well-known enough and hired for too many jobs, they could inadvertently cause overpopulation to occur much more quickly, causing more and more Sinners to be permanently killed off and thus unable to be redeemed. IMP has no reason to care about that, too; business is business. I can only see people like Lucifer, Satan, and actual Angels being as much of a threat to Charlie as IMP.
to add to that I'm pretty sure the reason MatPat didn't say Helluva boss is bc his plantform is open to a younger audience so went with a more friendly version of the name, similarly to how when he refers to Hell in his videos he often says it as H E double hockey sticks 🤣
@@ismeza76 As an Italian I'm confused as hell (no pun intended) of why in the English world the name of the punishing afterlife is considered a bad word...
With the art theft thing, specifically the Alastor pin - I drew something almost identical to those designs before ever seeing them, I think some designs are just inevitably common when trying to base something off a show. There's still a chance it was art theft, but I do lean toward it all being a coincidence. As for everything else, this fandom is a hot mess. People work really hard to cause controversy.
Honestly the whole Scott and Viv drama was unnecessary people are allowed to give there opinions and criticism but everyone just seemed childish and ignorant to comprehend it. I’m glad I found this channel since there’s never any clickbait (which is everywhere now) and the fact that you get straight to the point without hesitation
U mean Minor's actual children don't watch this trust me As a minor as who watches HB It's not as bad as other adult shows but omg it does it a lot of work the writings laughable I've seen some Animation errors and there's some lazy as casting here
At this point, I'd totally watch a show that parodies this wild mess: a small team of indie artists are finally making waves with their passion work when they're faced with a slew of challenges. As they tour together across the nation, they must face nemeses from their past, ex-relationships, rabid fans, capitalism, imposter syndrome, sometimes each other, and anyone who dares to take them down from their path to glory.
I really appreciate everything u do for the spendlehorse team, making vids so that people won't misunderstand the situation and stuff, it's just very underrated. I really wanna support endie creators as much as I can, cuz they really just wanna do their own stuff, which is hard but they still keep going because of the support of all the awesome fans. U GUYS ARE AMAZING!! ❤️❤️
The thing with MatPat is that, he (especially now) has a lot of channels to make almost weekly theories on. So I'm not THAT surprised he got some stuff wrong. I feel like now that he's got a fourth channel as well, he's started making people work in different channels to make sure each weeks theory makes sense and isn't as bad as the Hazbin Hotel one. He's been getting better at it as far as I'm concerned. (Not excusing the bad theory, just saying he's been better with this the past couple years)
i mean i personally like his content and i found the hazbin episode low tier but like you said with 3 at the time now 4 theories a week some arent gonna be great unfortunately the only hazbin one kinda sucked and i think people need to cut him some slack a few bad theories dont hurt i mean its just that a theory and ive seen worse from in the fandom so
OK the Harzbin theory was not that bad like one of the points of why people say it's bad was twisted he said that imp kill a lot of people that end up in heck so that could be a threat to the hotel
I swear, Viv can never catch a break. There's always some drama or controversy going on. I honestly love the two shows and to see them be associated with so many controversies honestly makes me sad. I just don't really know how to express my feelings, I just can't. Words cannot describe my feelings. I just hope that controversies won't stir up when Hazbin Hotel's full show releases. If there is, so help me. I'm just glad that there's enough awesome and great things in the fandom to balance out the bad and horrible things. Like you said, every fandom has its controversies and as long as they don't involve the creator being a bad person, then honestly, I couldn't care less. I love the Hazbin/Helluva community, so hopefully it never changes.
I completely agree just started this video and I don’t know anything about the controversies, Helluva Boss is a comfort show for me and I’m going to continue watching it as long as nothing crazy crazy happens. Viv is so inspirational to me as an artist and the show brings me so much happiness and pride to watch a small team create something so special!
@@Featheryfaith7 and you're being judgemental over something that hasn't even happened yet, or even has any speculation on how good it will be. Just be patient and make your judgment when the first episode comes out.
@@Featheryfaith7 True the Hazbin Hotel animation was pretty bad, but to be fair it was the pilot. I'm hoping that the show is really good. But if it isn't then I won't really be that surprised.
@@Mediados yeah this is the reason why the last time and first time I ship a non canon character is in danganronpa and as someone who have standard at shipping I just keep my mouth shut whenever I see a ship I can’t agree on because I get into fight easily the only ship I accept now is only canon I’m not gonna say why because y’all might get offended
MatPat says heck of a boss instead of helluva boss because of potential youtube strikes, but other than that he did get many things pretty wrong with everything you mentioned.
I'm so glad that you're one person who actually makes researched and very to-the-point videos about both shows and spindlehorse in general. Lots of people make videos about their opinions, theories, and speculations on these things. But you're the only person I've seen who actually puts time into these videos to present cold, hard facts and information with little to no personal opinion. And sometimes that's all people want. So your videos are very appreciated. 😁 EDIT: Props to you for blurring the leaked content so any remaining unknowing fans don't get spoiled And the shipping wars are the absolute worst. The toxicity of them is why I stay away from Twitter. Shipping is supposed to be fun and creative. Yet people have made shipping in the Hazbin fandom worse than it was in the SVTFOE fandom.
Honestly the second FNAF v Hazbin controversy could have easily be avoid had viv not commented on the whole doxxing situation, and thus by doing so painted a target on her back.
There was also a lot of drama around how most of vivs characters where lgbtq+ Some people even accused her of being homophobic since it took place in hell and people said that she made being lgbtq+ seem like it was a sin and you would go to hell for it. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised, there’s been hints that heaven is corrupt and not as amazing as you think so I wouldn’t be surprised if you could get sent to hell for almost anything
Hazbin hotel and helluva boss are not supposed to be biblically accurate versions of hell, so thinking that anybody is in there for being gay is laughable. Especially since Viv herself is BI.
@@kosog6584 But yeah, they way they think that Angel Dust went to hell because he is gay, it’s not the reason. He went to hell cause of his overdose and mafia stuff irl.
I love the one where people were complaining, saying that Angel Dust is a hateful gay stereotype (sex worker, hypersexual, deviant and drug addict). All until an older gay fan came out and shot them down with how he is able to relate more to Angel than modern gay characters in media like Steven Universe, where everything is sunshine and rainbows. Angel is more like his lived experience of being gay in the past, before it was more acceptable. Viv liked his tweet so you might be able to find it and he raises an interesting point about how gay characters are portrayed in modern media.
I find it absolutely hilarious the FNAF and hazbin hotel communities have beef with each other for absolutely no reason. Just two random communities, with no correlation whatsoever, hate each other with a passion.
honestly I think its the popularity of both, and the controversy that really started the beef. or it had to have been non fans of either group started something that would get the two to fight. who knows but its crazy to me.
I seriously have no idea why the FNaF community had beef with Hazbin Hotel? Like, *WHAT?!* 💀 THEY'RE NOT EVEN CONNECTED IN ANYWAY, WHY MAKE A FUSS ABOUT IT 💀💀💀💀
As a fan of both FNaF and Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss I'm honestly really upset about the drama between the two fandoms. I think they are both awesome in their own ways and I actually know a lot of FNaF fans who also enjoy Hazbin Hotel. I have been in the FNaF fandom for a long time and I had no idea people did this. What they did to the Hazbin Wiki was extremely disrespectful. As to the Scott Cawthon drama I remember it very well although in that case I don't think Vivziepop should have gotten involved. FNaF has always had a large fan base, even after the drama, so it was obvious they would be mad at her for saying that. And she should have had in consideration the history of the two fandoms. Plus, the FNaF fandom was already facing a huge drama and colapsing in and on itself so I think she should have refrained from saying anything to avoid more conflict. As to MatPat I'd say cut the man some slack. I mean, he obviously isn't the one doing all the research. I do think since his channels are so popular Team Theorist should try to make videos as accurate as possible. But the thing is they aren't a channel dedicated to one series so they have a hard time keeping up with the fandoms. And about thinking his theory didn't make sense? Don't worry. You're not alone. Even the FNaF fandom shows very mixed feelings about his theories, even when MatPat loves FNaF and considers it a priority. On one side, some people in the fandom believe in *all* his theories and on the other side there are people who think they are garbage. 😂
yeah and honestly, as a fan of both as well, even after the controversy with scott, people have had time to think on it and like, yes he has controversial opinions and beliefs but he really isn't evil. and his wife, kids and himself didn't deserve to be doxxed. The controversy could have been handled better or even avoided if the people both fnaf fans and non fnaf fans, had handled it FAR more maturely. no one says you can't support scott or be a fan anymore but it also doesn't mean anyone's evil for sticking around or, forgiving it. this type of thing is exactly the reason why people need to be neutral, especially businesses and creators, and not share any beliefs or political beliefs about anything, unless required or it fits the type of thing they do. Transparency with a bit of anonymity may help things NOT go to shit in the future. either way I think him stepping down was the best choice, cause you can't cancel or fire someone whose their own boss. and he'd rather protect his family than try to keep up doing his business. he is still involved and helps but he's just the IP holder now, and shares with other companies that can bring content to life for the community. I really do think, even if he did truly donate to controversial groups, seeing how he handled things and the way people responded and the way it was revealed, I feel it was a calculated step to start things on twitter. twitter is fueled by negativity, wether its a real thing or it was faked, doesn't matter, twitter EATS UP drama and controversy for breakfast lunch and dinner. so bad or not, I personally, as a LONG TIME fnaf and Vivziepop fan (even before hazbin hotel), I feel both creators for both things get too much shit for things they do. wether right or wrong, the way they're treated for it isn't entirely deserved (I.E doxxing, defamation, etc) its just, agh. The two communities and people not part of them honestly, I feel were the reason it seemed far worse than it actually was. it was bad and controversial but people made it seem like the world was going to end. With matpat, I used to enjojy his content early on in the early times but as time's gone on its just mainly for content. which isn't entirely a bad thing but people also use his mistakes as an excuse to try to slander or doxx him, its insane
@@Its_Asteria with the Scott thing I'm more concerned at the fact that people didn't even ask why that person went through all the trouble to find that
As a longtime FNAF fan (been a fan since the first game came out when I was in middle school) and a recently hooked Hazbin/Helluva fan, the drama between both the fandoms is stupid as shit and quite frankly makes me very sad.
I was bewildered when some people turned on Helluva Boss when Season two began. After really thinking it over, I realized a lot of people especially in the western animation community kinda suck at analyzing the media they consume. I think it stems in part from the medium still being treated as for kids which means a large chunk of fans have not developed the tools necessary for critical analysis. Not to mention that Helluva Boss is such an anomaly, so it is a little tricky to critique at least from more traditional methods. Also, a part of me anticipates a backlash against Hazbin Hotel when it premieres. Only this time, from the right wing like Fox News or the Daily Wire. I mean, a raunchy show about queer demons based loosely on Abrahamic religions and folklore and the central premise about redemption after death. They will lose their minds. Although, that would maybe work in the shows favor. Similar to that time when a certain religious sect took issue with the Good Omens adaption and made the mistake that is was a Netflix original but was actually on Amazon Prime Video. That controversy only boosted the popularity and success of Good Omens.I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
Pretty much I’ve seen someone having tantrum about why viv didn’t just make sallie may say she was trans instead of making the viewers figure it out themselves because they think other people are slow like them as they didn’t notice that she has male imp horns and white roots then arguing that viv is bad because all the gays are bad people who do bad things even though they are literally in hell a place full of bad people
personally I'd like to somewhat disagree, not entirely, just sort of. (fair warning I may not see this comments section again so I may not reply) I doubt any groups from any direction will lose their minds over an animated show. if anything the issue wouldn't be the topic or theming, but rather just the animation itself, cause like you mentioned, the western animation community's flaws with analysis as well as wether or not animation is for kids. I feel people would take more issue with that. People may lose their minds but I don't think it defines an entire group, and I doubt daily wire would have issue with it, other wise there would have already been content about it (I watch a variety of channels of all sorts of directions to get an understanding of what people think. that's why I doubt the daily wire would have anything to talk about with it). Though who knows, I could be wrong and they may take issue with it and outline some things. but if it were really an issue to them they would have sad something already considering the popularity of the shows. cause both shows are humorous, they're not all in your face about certain topics. Its just there and sometimes part of an episode's plot. which I don't think many have issue with. i've seen more people accuse Viv of being phobic or racist of some form due to something that wasn't an actual issue in each show, mroe than I have seen people complain about the subject matter. just my personal take. either one of us could be right or wrong. I just wanted to provide an additional insight and Zagra points out the Sally may thing. people are mad that its not just told to us, which if anything would make people dislike the show because its too forward and in your face, instead of letting you discover and learn on your own and accept what you discover.
Kinda glad i watched this video, i already knew there was alot of drama surrounding both shows let alone the people making them but i had no idea it went *THIS* deep, i don't think ill ever understand why people go too such lengths sometimes just too target a creator or fandom or just target something harmless in general... like what do they even get out of it? Attention? I especially hate when it negatively impacts real people's lives like with doxxing and stealing and such, thats just plain wrong. The only other thing that gets too me is the shipping... i know its technically harmless but some of it is just downright disturbing, like why do i see a majority of people actively agree with ships like Octavia with Stolas? Or Blitzø and Moxxie with Loona? Most people realize these are horrible but it's practical normal in this fandom, which disturbs me not because it exists but because it almost insinuates what kind of people this show attracts... and honestly i don't wanna be a part of a fandom predominantly filled with people like that.
Honestly I enjoy stolas content in helluva boss because he's very interesting in we get to learn more about the inner workings of the systems in hell. I also love getting to learn more about the backstories of IMP. The show would have faded away if they were all like the first and every episode was a new contract. Learning more about this world and the characters is great! Especially since we get to see areas we likely won't get to see in hazbin, as sinners(who we follow in hazbin) can't leave the pride ring. So we see less of pride since we will see a TON in hazbin. I think it's wonderful!
I mean, would it? Some of the most popular cartoon shows, from "Fairly OddParents" to "Phineas and Ferb", are about the same premise being repeated over and over in different ways and contexts. The problem with HB is that we only got, like, 2 episodes out of 9 of what is supposed to be the main premise of the show (not counting ep. 3 because the "killing commissions" aspect was just a background thing), 2 out of 12 if we also count S2. I don't think anybody has any issues with featuring Stolas-Blitzo episodes in itself (not anybody worth discussing with, at least), the problem is that's not what people mainly "signed up" for.
I'm not the world's biggest fan of Stolitz but isn't Helluva Boss the "Blitzo" show? Like he is the forefront protagonist so it's fair that the show has mainly explored him and all current aspects of his life, a lot of which being work and Stolas. It's okay to have a lot of Stolitz episodes because it is an important part of his character, sure they have gotten a bit repetitive which is my pet peeve with it, but at least it's only been a few.
From what we see in the pilot and 1st ep it seemed like a slice of life kind of show where there are multiple protagonists. But now the show feels like a teen fan fic with the amount of ships and angst.
@@rackracket8482 But he also said on GTLive that he'll let other people on his team do some of the research. If it happens to turn out wrong then, oh well, we made a mistake! Can't do nothing about it now! He always seemed like the nerd that triple checks everything until it's right.
Mat pat: creates video abaout something Fnaf fans: hate him Hollow knight fans: are anoyed Helluwa, Hazbin fans: are angry And even creators like famous tobby fox ? How that channel is still alive?
Hmm I think with the art theft situation this may totally be a case of the artist who made the official pins unconsciously drawing from memories of art pieces they'd seen once or twice. This is an actual thing that happens to people when they will try and come up with something new--happens plenty with music lyrics and melodies--and for example the brain will supply some song a person heard once, but they don't remember it well enough to be aware that their idea isn't original. Especially with fanart and stuff, if Cal has a feed filled with fanart, a random piece they saw and enjoyed months ago may come back to them but without any context. (For example with the chibi pins, other than being in the same art style the only one that actually looks like the original art is Angel Dust.) Or Cal is plagiarizing and helixD just sincerely doesn't believe they are, but either way, not really to do with Vivzie who probably has very little to do with the merch. That's a completely different department and any issues with the merch would likely have to cause a lot of drama to ever reach her awareness. Plagiarism issues are a problem for the merch department, producer (maybe), and the legal team anyways. The reality is that Vivzie shouldn't have to worry about or address that anyways, her job is as the showrunner (which already probably takes up her entire life). It's other people's jobs to deal with these issues.
People can get so creepily obsessed with their pet ships, and sometimes they feel entitled to their ships becoming canon. I think many shows have been ruined by their creators giving in to the ships of a VERY vocal minority of fans, thinking that they're giving the fans (as a whole) what they want, even when those ships derail major themes and character development. So ship Alistair and Charlie if you want, but you've no right to complain if it becomes explicitly non-canon, because it was never canon in the first place and it's completely unrealistic to expect a show to keep every possible ship "open" while allowing character relationships to actually grow and evolve over time.
This comment section has just been an unending war between one guy worshipping the franchise and one dude who obsessively hates it and I don't think I've ever seen a more accurate description of internet fandom
I clicked on this video expecting it to be highly biased because of your profile picture showing you're a fan of the show, but I'm pleasantly surprised!
There’s a lot of people out there that have let there own ego and emotions get to them bc they feel like there entitled to get the full credit so they have to create this drama to get attention clearly the one artist who claim that working with Viz was somewhat a toxic environment but last I check that individual had change her story created a new claim which it was out of desperation cause the attention was not interesting. This is how certain people we deal with almost everyday especially on Twitter and it really hurts a lot of independent creators out there of what this creation is meant to be. I love how your channel always breaks down the real facts and debunking some of these claim’s usually I don’t pay attention much to the drama unless something changes but yeah that’s how I see things especially how Twitter has been.
@@Featheryfaith7if you're suddenly surprised by gay characters or even LGBTQ+ characters in a franchise that from the beginning has shown them, that's on you for being oblivious 🤦🏼♀️. Charlie and Vaggie are lesbians, Blitz is Bi/Pan, Stolas is Bi, Moxie is bi, Alastor is Ace, Angel Dust has been Gay SINCE THE BEGINNING! Also yeah hating people who use their religion as a sleeve to conceal and mask their near-prosecutionable levels of hate towards minority groups is a pretty reasonable take in the modern era. It's like saying "yeah I KNOW my faith teaches one thing, but I'm going to purposefully ignore that and twist whatever is said until it says what I want to hear so I can justify my heinous actions, and if for whatever reason people call me out on it, I can scream persecution and I'll be untouchable UwU" and expecting that people won't hate you for it
Tbh as an HB/HH fan, the whole fandom here is super toxic than the rest of the other fandoms…hell, I think I wanna like stay away of them otherwise I’ll get cancelled easily…😬
@Spookypumpkin32 well yeah not all of the people of this fandom are not toxic, I have friends who have common sense are not toxic, but however we you have to be much careful, months ago I was almost get cancelled once that I’ve drew one of the HB characters as a soldier on Twitter which one of the famous Twitter HB artist fan is trying to cancel me that I drew but didn’t go well but it’s a close call…☹️
3:25 children? He had a warning at the beginning and it was age restricted and just because someone got your fandom wrong you don’t need to attack people for no reason
I remember the second Fnaf drama, the one about donations differently . Before or after Scott was doxed, Vivzie gave her opinion about donations, She wrote some stuff there that triggered everything but I guess she deleted that after not only fnaf fandom but other people disagreed with her. Generally I remember that people even outside fnaf fandom, even on youtube disagreed, there was abunch of videos on her. --UPDATE-- Now I remember some stuff that was deleted or not mentioned . Vivzie was the one finding these donations, posting them and bringing attention to them No one cared but she started it The other things, I can't remember them exactly right now There was something about demanding that Scott should take responsibility for his actions, etc and talking about doxxing in positive light, I think. With the doxxing I hope I remember that wrong. Also its funny, but Scott donated both to Christian and lgbtq parties but she and others didn't mention that
As a FNAF fan and somewhat a hazbin/ helluva fan I hate to see these two collide with each other and I was super upset that it ended in Scott leaving for a while glad he's back though.
There's only one TH-camr who's critiques and redesigns are from LovesArt23. She also has her own OC in the Helluva- verse. She goes into great detail on her redesigns, and look incredible.
8:43 A part of my dignity died knowing that Zamination is now known as the content farm family-friendly channel instead of the music videos they did before; god they fallen off so hard
Needless to say, as a fan of both HH/HB and FNaF, I learned a bit about these two fandoms', uh... history with each other. I knew about the Viv/Scott Cawthon drama beforehand, but the whole HH wiki raid was news to me. I would like to apologize on behalf of the FNaF fandom for that incident. I think it goes without saying that FNaF has quite a huge following of immature children, as do many franchises. Anyways, great job on this video, it's always nice to learn new internet lore.
The only ships in helluva boss I have a problem with is stovia since that's disgusting and the ship between Stella and stolas since season 1 episode 5 showed Stella talking to striker and saying that she wants him dead plus season 2 episode 1 revealed that Stella was abusive and was always awful so she's was never the victim and therefore she deserved to be cheated on (if I see any toxic stella simps call me sexist you should know I have a family member who has been a victim of cheating and she did the right thing by divorcing her husband so your use of the word sexist wouldn't work).
So Scary fact about Zamnation they basically did what rocky did but on separate accounts as they put basically the same exact clips in different orders on their brothers account Enchantedmob as well as harassed a kid so bad he was sent to a mental hospital
Why are people annoyed about him calling it heck ? He does it with every time hell comes up and is literally just censoring(however I believe he didn’t still put enough research into this show)
One point about the voice actors changes as well - cast changes between the pilot and the official release of a show literally happen all the time. I wasn't exactly happy that they changed but it came as absolutely no surprise to me at all and I'm not sure why it did to so many people. It's happened with so many shows and will happen with others in the future, I may love the original VAs but it's not rare at all and I believe the team will be true to their characters and pick the right actors in the future.
I like the second Vaggie redesign it feels different enough to stand on its own, and isn't just a minor edit. I love the different color palette, I'm a sucker for cooler colors. Sue me.
I think the main issue is people falling in love with characters that weren’t fully developed or finalized and building their own lore and ideas of who they are. Now that those characters are actually be fleshed out more they’re offended their ideas weren’t canon. I understand Viv wanted to create support for her art by creating the pilot way before the show officially released but I think that’s where a lot of these issues stem from. That being said, there is no excuse for the fan base to act as they do, though it’s likely several are literal children.
I don't really like these redesign videos, idk, sometimes people who do them are really nitpicky. Don't get me wrong, they are very talented, and I'm sure that there are creators out there who do it genuinely for fun, it's just that I've seen a lot of toxic ones, unfortunately.
Being a fan of FNaF and these series, I had no idea about all the drama with these two things. I don't understand why people would raid the wikis of all things, also say what you will on disagreeing with Scott's political opinion, myself leaning more towards the right, but not bashing others for their opinions, but fuck the people doxxing both Scott and Vivzie for that, that shit needs to never happen, as people can be hurt or killed. Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean you need to go and send death threats or shit like that. I hope we can have more people thrive in connecting our communities in some way, as no matter what, we are just people who love a thing, and want to share that thing and care about it. Keep up the great work ayy!
@@ianne012 oh yeah, that sadly seems like every community, furries, anime peeps, etc, there will be that toxic minority that makes their voice be like the majority and ruin the fandom and community as is.
It's been so long since the pilot episode of Hazbin Hotel was uploaded that I legitimately believed that the series was postponed indefinitely due to the public’s perforation of Helluva Boss...
I feel like its a little unfair to use tweets that are from people who clearly just hate gametheory in general as examples when I'm sure there's a lot of actual critical tweets that aren't just "matpat bad." I know there was the one that says they like his content generally, but even that one doesn't say anything specific about why it was bad
In terms of “fixing” the characters, I feel like a lot of those people don’t seem to realize that there is a line between “redesigning and fixing the flaws of a character” vs “just making a new fucking character and ignoring all the reasons that character might’ve had those aspects”
12:29 That ban message was extremely immature. So just because I'm a furry, due to the fact that I can't draw humans, that means I can't feel uncomfortable about something? Good to know I'm not allowed to feel my feelings, and I have to bottle up all of my negative emotions, I guess. They probably think all goths are depressed too if they're this hateful over what subculture somebody falls under.
The fact that MatPat made me associate wholesome owl boy Stolas to the bald egghead twist villain of Dragon Age Inquisition should be a punishable offense
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Hate when people call the game an RPG. It is not a role playin game
The huge amount of drama in 2022 and lack of uploads really makes it feel like without those hazbin redesign images many people would've left by now
Not really. I am perfectly happy to wait. Those that do leave are probably too immature.
Every good adult knows how much time it takes to make animations. Especially officially licensed ones. Not to mention finding the right VA cast is difficult, plus the whole Union with the studio rules. Or the marketing and finding networks/platforms that will air it.
I am tired of seeing kids these days who are so spoiled by getting everything so fast paced. They forgot how to be patient and empathetic beings.
I waited 11 years for Diablo 3. People can chill.
@@nobinary2296 exactly, I'm one of those patient people as well but unfortunately not a lot of the fandom was at the time
@@asaknight321 Glad I found a fellow patient individual.
I knew from the beginning that Hazbin Hotel would take a while, especially if they wanna do it right. I have faith that this is going to be a great series.
Just like I like the "slower" episodes of Helluva Boss. It fleshes out the characters and builds the world's lore up. We can't have non-stop violence or we will get desensitized to it and then people will complain the action sequences are "too boring".
There seems to be no winning with these bad faith actors who just want to be bitter all the time. So I learned to ignore them.
@@nobinary2296 yeah, the people who've been patient are the real fans
Long time fans may stay since they waited so long already. Coming from an FNF fan from November 2020
The drama surrounding Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss has gone in different directions in levels of crazy from individuals who have nothing but judgement. If many have time to create controversy for fictional shows than it’s just pathetic and pitiful in there part.
@Spookypumpkin32 He doesn't cause it. He points out how stupid it is and sets the record straight.
With these videos we can link them to threads that spread misinformation. Its incredibly helpful and how we have used them to snuff out controversy people constantly try to redig up for no other reason than to cause drama.
We NEED to talk about these things. That mentality is why victims often stay quiet. Being quiet doesn't solve your problems. It just means the victim keeps getting abused and misrepresented.
Speaking up is the only way to shine the light on the truth. Which ultimately helps Vivzie and the team.
Most of these people have admitted to doing it because the show is too popular, they heard some misinformation on the internet and took it as fact, or they purposely for it for fun.
Cuz people who watch these shows have no life
It's not just Helluva and Hazbin that people make drama from, people have been creating drama about Viv for years now, especially with stuff like Zoophobia. It just seems like Viv can't escape drama, I don't know why people target her so much, like you can call Hazbin and Helluva bad but Zoophobia was pretty damn good and even that got targeted.
@@NobodyUndefined after she supports doxxing other people, she deserves thats coming to her
To be fair, in regards to one of your points on MatPat's theory, IMP actually _would_ be the biggest threat to Charlie (or rather, her goal) that we know of so far, despite being low-ranking. They not only have access to the living world (something only the highest grade of Demon has in common with them), but unlike other Demons with access to the living world, they regularly use said access to kill people. And not only do they kill people, but 100% of the people they kill end up in Hell, considering they did something bad enough to warrant a Sinner wanting them dead.
If IMP becomes well-known enough and hired for too many jobs, they could inadvertently cause overpopulation to occur much more quickly, causing more and more Sinners to be permanently killed off and thus unable to be redeemed. IMP has no reason to care about that, too; business is business.
I can only see people like Lucifer, Satan, and actual Angels being as much of a threat to Charlie as IMP.
true
to add to that I'm pretty sure the reason MatPat didn't say Helluva boss is bc his plantform is open to a younger audience so went with a more friendly version of the name, similarly to how when he refers to Hell in his videos he often says it as H E double hockey sticks 🤣
@@ismeza76 true
@@ismeza76isn't that the same dude who do a theory about Skinimarink?
@@ismeza76 As an Italian I'm confused as hell (no pun intended) of why in the English world the name of the punishing afterlife is considered a bad word...
With the art theft thing, specifically the Alastor pin - I drew something almost identical to those designs before ever seeing them, I think some designs are just inevitably common when trying to base something off a show. There's still a chance it was art theft, but I do lean toward it all being a coincidence.
As for everything else, this fandom is a hot mess. People work really hard to cause controversy.
It’s so easy to draw similar fan art and when the content is literally only 1 hour long
It’s very basic, not a super unique design. I can totally see how multi people would come up with the same idea
It’s tumblr sexy man.
Honestly the whole Scott and Viv drama was unnecessary people are allowed to give there opinions and criticism but everyone just seemed childish and ignorant to comprehend it. I’m glad I found this channel since there’s never any clickbait (which is everywhere now) and the fact that you get straight to the point without hesitation
Can we take a moment to thank Ayy Lmao for all the hard work he's doing to bring us Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel content!
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@@rzar4971 legends*
@@AyTJay Can we take a moment for this Clown who corrects replies hoping for some attention? 😁
More like cringe content for fatherless lowlifes
@@rzar4971 😮😮
3:34 “Many of which are children”
The warning card at the beginning of each episode:
No children would watch this!
I’m a minor, and I know more than 10 people who watch and love Hazbin/helluva… so
@Denosaur This is correct, as me and several of my friends watch both shows and are exited when new episodes drop
U mean Minor's actual children don't watch this trust me As a minor as who watches HB It's not as bad as other adult shows but omg it does it a lot of work the writings laughable I've seen some Animation errors and there's some lazy as casting here
@@Ash-wq8hs Minors are children. You're thinking of kids.
Thank you for getting to the fucking point of all this bullshit! I swear this fandom is one of the most insane when it comes to drama.
That's every fandom kid.
Heh, first time?
The fandoms are literally a bunch of furries and people glamorizing satanism and lgbt propaganda no sh*t they’re all insane… 🙄
If *this* is insane for you, I wouldn’t recommend getting into the undertale fandom
I’d hate for you to discover anime fandoms then
Glad you got a sponsorship mate. You're the best Hazbin/HB TH-camr out there, you deserve it honestly 👏
At this point, I'd totally watch a show that parodies this wild mess: a small team of indie artists are finally making waves with their passion work when they're faced with a slew of challenges. As they tour together across the nation, they must face nemeses from their past, ex-relationships, rabid fans, capitalism, imposter syndrome, sometimes each other, and anyone who dares to take them down from their path to glory.
You know the main reason Viv is able to make the show is capilisim so yea capilisim is not a nemesis
I really appreciate everything u do for the spendlehorse team, making vids so that people won't misunderstand the situation and stuff, it's just very underrated. I really wanna support endie creators as much as I can, cuz they really just wanna do their own stuff, which is hard but they still keep going because of the support of all the awesome fans. U GUYS ARE AMAZING!! ❤️❤️
The thing with MatPat is that, he (especially now) has a lot of channels to make almost weekly theories on. So I'm not THAT surprised he got some stuff wrong. I feel like now that he's got a fourth channel as well, he's started making people work in different channels to make sure each weeks theory makes sense and isn't as bad as the Hazbin Hotel one. He's been getting better at it as far as I'm concerned. (Not excusing the bad theory, just saying he's been better with this the past couple years)
i mean i personally like his content and i found the hazbin episode low tier but like you said with 3 at the time now 4 theories a week some arent gonna be great unfortunately the only hazbin one kinda sucked and i think people need to cut him some slack a few bad theories dont hurt i mean its just that a theory and ive seen worse from in the fandom so
OK the Harzbin theory was not that bad like one of the points of why people say it's bad was twisted he said that imp kill a lot of people that end up in heck so that could be a threat to the hotel
@@hassanabdelkarim9375 i mean as far as i see it not all theories are going to be spot on and with one episode of hazbin theres not much to draw from
Ah that's fine I just think it is fine I mean he did not get much things wrong
Honestly his HH doesn't sound that bad compared to his Sonic theories
I swear, Viv can never catch a break. There's always some drama or controversy going on. I honestly love the two shows and to see them be associated with so many controversies honestly makes me sad. I just don't really know how to express my feelings, I just can't. Words cannot describe my feelings. I just hope that controversies won't stir up when Hazbin Hotel's full show releases. If there is, so help me. I'm just glad that there's enough awesome and great things in the fandom to balance out the bad and horrible things. Like you said, every fandom has its controversies and as long as they don't involve the creator being a bad person, then honestly, I couldn't care less. I love the Hazbin/Helluva community, so hopefully it never changes.
I completely agree just started this video and I don’t know anything about the controversies, Helluva Boss is a comfort show for me and I’m going to continue watching it as long as nothing crazy crazy happens. Viv is so inspirational to me as an artist and the show brings me so much happiness and pride to watch a small team create something so special!
I'm glad that the shows have survived through all this drama. Looking forward to the official release of Hazbin this summer.
I'm glad it's sponsored by raid shadow legend
@@Featheryfaith7 and you're being judgemental over something that hasn't even happened yet, or even has any speculation on how good it will be. Just be patient and make your judgment when the first episode comes out.
@@Featheryfaith7 there's this thing called "over-hyped" and it is sometimes worst than Spoilers.
@@Featheryfaith7 Ima be completely honest. I have a feeling that this show is either gonna be 10/10 amazing, or 1/10 trash. Nothing in between.
@@Featheryfaith7 True the Hazbin Hotel animation was pretty bad, but to be fair it was the pilot. I'm hoping that the show is really good. But if it isn't then I won't really be that surprised.
That whole shipping part is bonkers, like in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter at all lmao
The shipping wars in cartoon fandoms are always ridiculous. Often just straight up inappropriate.
@@Mediados welp, guessing that will never change
@@Mediados yeah this is the reason why the last time and first time I ship a non canon character is in danganronpa and as someone who have standard at shipping I just keep my mouth shut whenever I see a ship I can’t agree on because I get into fight easily the only ship I accept now is only canon I’m not gonna say why because y’all might get offended
MatPat says heck of a boss instead of helluva boss because of potential youtube strikes, but other than that he did get many things pretty wrong with everything you mentioned.
Yeah, and if you watch the video it literally has a little youtube demonetized icon show up then slowly retreat as he says "heck...uva boss"
I'm so glad that you're one person who actually makes researched and very to-the-point videos about both shows and spindlehorse in general.
Lots of people make videos about their opinions, theories, and speculations on these things. But you're the only person I've seen who actually puts time into these videos to present cold, hard facts and information with little to no personal opinion. And sometimes that's all people want.
So your videos are very appreciated. 😁
EDIT: Props to you for blurring the leaked content so any remaining unknowing fans don't get spoiled
And the shipping wars are the absolute worst. The toxicity of them is why I stay away from Twitter. Shipping is supposed to be fun and creative. Yet people have made shipping in the Hazbin fandom worse than it was in the SVTFOE fandom.
Is it bad to say I go to twitter and just scroll through these shipping wars because it's so hilariously idiotic, it's funny.
@@Moxie2017 I don't think so. As long as you really just scroll through it without engaging in bullying, then you do you.
Is it worse than RWBY shippers though?
Or My Hero Academia?
Or Voltron?
*Sighs* War. War never changes.
Honestly the second FNAF v Hazbin controversy could have easily be avoid had viv not commented on the whole doxxing situation, and thus by doing so painted a target on her back.
Doxxing people is wrong under all circumstances... but yeah. Politics get people that way.
No one was in the right in that controversy.
@@shadowdragon7347 yeah It really be a double edged sword. Also cool Dio Pfp
@@linked2dio26 lol thought Same Here.. was Just Reading some comments got Hit Like "tha woorrldo" ....... ROOAAAADDDROOOOLLLLERR 😂
She have to be Cocky and Snarky of course, who do you think Vizzie is?
There was also a lot of drama around how most of vivs characters where lgbtq+
Some people even accused her of being homophobic since it took place in hell and people said that she made being lgbtq+ seem like it was a sin and you would go to hell for it.
Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised, there’s been hints that heaven is corrupt and not as amazing as you think so I wouldn’t be surprised if you could get sent to hell for almost anything
Hazbin hotel and helluva boss are not supposed to be biblically accurate versions of hell, so thinking that anybody is in there for being gay is laughable. Especially since Viv herself is BI.
@@kosog6584 what’s weird most of the cast is hell born and there are some straight character in there idk who but I think it’s loona and niffty
@@kosog6584 But yeah, they way they think that Angel Dust went to hell because he is gay, it’s not the reason. He went to hell cause of his overdose and mafia stuff irl.
I love the one where people were complaining, saying that Angel Dust is a hateful gay stereotype (sex worker, hypersexual, deviant and drug addict). All until an older gay fan came out and shot them down with how he is able to relate more to Angel than modern gay characters in media like Steven Universe, where everything is sunshine and rainbows. Angel is more like his lived experience of being gay in the past, before it was more acceptable. Viv liked his tweet so you might be able to find it and he raises an interesting point about how gay characters are portrayed in modern media.
What sucks is that there are controversies and wars in every fanbase.
P.S: Can't believe I'm in your video! 14:00
I find it absolutely hilarious the FNAF and hazbin hotel communities have beef with each other for absolutely no reason.
Just two random communities, with no correlation whatsoever, hate each other with a passion.
honestly I think its the popularity of both, and the controversy that really started the beef. or it had to have been non fans of either group started something that would get the two to fight. who knows but its crazy to me.
Maybe on Twitter, I don’t think on anywhere else though. I know people who adore both
Meanwhile I love both Hazbin Hotel and FNAF. Is that bad?
@@AWlpsSHOW36 not at all!
@@AWlpsSHOW36 Yes. The police are on their way as we speak.
I saw Scott Cawthon and said ‘How the hell is a horror dev in this mess?’
I seriously have no idea why the FNaF community had beef with Hazbin Hotel? Like, *WHAT?!* 💀
THEY'RE NOT EVEN CONNECTED IN ANYWAY, WHY MAKE A FUSS ABOUT IT 💀💀💀💀
I’m so happy you got a sponsor Ayy Lmao! Props to you💪✨
As a fan of both FNaF and Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss I'm honestly really upset about the drama between the two fandoms.
I think they are both awesome in their own ways and I actually know a lot of FNaF fans who also enjoy Hazbin Hotel. I have been in the FNaF fandom for a long time and I had no idea people did this. What they did to the Hazbin Wiki was extremely disrespectful.
As to the Scott Cawthon drama I remember it very well although in that case I don't think Vivziepop should have gotten involved. FNaF has always had a large fan base, even after the drama, so it was obvious they would be mad at her for saying that. And she should have had in consideration the history of the two fandoms. Plus, the FNaF fandom was already facing a huge drama and colapsing in and on itself so I think she should have refrained from saying anything to avoid more conflict.
As to MatPat I'd say cut the man some slack. I mean, he obviously isn't the one doing all the research. I do think since his channels are so popular Team Theorist should try to make videos as accurate as possible. But the thing is they aren't a channel dedicated to one series so they have a hard time keeping up with the fandoms.
And about thinking his theory didn't make sense? Don't worry. You're not alone. Even the FNaF fandom shows very mixed feelings about his theories, even when MatPat loves FNaF and considers it a priority. On one side, some people in the fandom believe in *all* his theories and on the other side there are people who think they are garbage. 😂
yeah and honestly, as a fan of both as well, even after the controversy with scott, people have had time to think on it and like, yes he has controversial opinions and beliefs but he really isn't evil. and his wife, kids and himself didn't deserve to be doxxed. The controversy could have been handled better or even avoided if the people both fnaf fans and non fnaf fans, had handled it FAR more maturely.
no one says you can't support scott or be a fan anymore but it also doesn't mean anyone's evil for sticking around or, forgiving it.
this type of thing is exactly the reason why people need to be neutral, especially businesses and creators, and not share any beliefs or political beliefs about anything, unless required or it fits the type of thing they do. Transparency with a bit of anonymity may help things NOT go to shit in the future. either way I think him stepping down was the best choice, cause you can't cancel or fire someone whose their own boss. and he'd rather protect his family than try to keep up doing his business. he is still involved and helps but he's just the IP holder now, and shares with other companies that can bring content to life for the community.
I really do think, even if he did truly donate to controversial groups, seeing how he handled things and the way people responded and the way it was revealed, I feel it was a calculated step to start things on twitter. twitter is fueled by negativity, wether its a real thing or it was faked, doesn't matter, twitter EATS UP drama and controversy for breakfast lunch and dinner.
so bad or not, I personally, as a LONG TIME fnaf and Vivziepop fan (even before hazbin hotel), I feel both creators for both things get too much shit for things they do. wether right or wrong, the way they're treated for it isn't entirely deserved (I.E doxxing, defamation, etc)
its just, agh. The two communities and people not part of them honestly, I feel were the reason it seemed far worse than it actually was. it was bad and controversial but people made it seem like the world was going to end.
With matpat, I used to enjojy his content early on in the early times but as time's gone on its just mainly for content. which isn't entirely a bad thing but people also use his mistakes as an excuse to try to slander or doxx him, its insane
@@Its_Asteria with the Scott thing I'm more concerned at the fact that people didn't even ask why that person went through all the trouble to find that
Just downloaded 4 copies of raid, one for myself and for the 3 children i'm holding captive in my basement
“Shipping wars”
Yep, definitely sounds like our community
Gotta cross all my 10 fingers that I'm not in this video
LMAO
@@ayylmaotv 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a longtime FNAF fan (been a fan since the first game came out when I was in middle school) and a recently hooked Hazbin/Helluva fan, the drama between both the fandoms is stupid as shit and quite frankly makes me very sad.
I was bewildered when some people turned on Helluva Boss when Season two began. After really thinking it over, I realized a lot of people especially in the western animation community kinda suck at analyzing the media they consume. I think it stems in part from the medium still being treated as for kids which means a large chunk of fans have not developed the tools necessary for critical analysis. Not to mention that Helluva Boss is such an anomaly, so it is a little tricky to critique at least from more traditional methods.
Also, a part of me anticipates a backlash against Hazbin Hotel when it premieres. Only this time, from the right wing like Fox News or the Daily Wire. I mean, a raunchy show about queer demons based loosely on Abrahamic religions and folklore and the central premise about redemption after death. They will lose their minds. Although, that would maybe work in the shows favor. Similar to that time when a certain religious sect took issue with the Good Omens adaption and made the mistake that is was a Netflix original but was actually on Amazon Prime Video. That controversy only boosted the popularity and success of Good Omens.I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
Pretty much I’ve seen someone having tantrum about why viv didn’t just make sallie may say she was trans instead of making the viewers figure it out themselves because they think other people are slow like them as they didn’t notice that she has male imp horns and white roots then arguing that viv is bad because all the gays are bad people who do bad things even though they are literally in hell a place full of bad people
personally I'd like to somewhat disagree, not entirely, just sort of. (fair warning I may not see this comments section again so I may not reply)
I doubt any groups from any direction will lose their minds over an animated show. if anything the issue wouldn't be the topic or theming, but rather just the animation itself, cause like you mentioned, the western animation community's flaws with analysis as well as wether or not animation is for kids. I feel people would take more issue with that.
People may lose their minds but I don't think it defines an entire group, and I doubt daily wire would have issue with it, other wise there would have already been content about it (I watch a variety of channels of all sorts of directions to get an understanding of what people think. that's why I doubt the daily wire would have anything to talk about with it). Though who knows, I could be wrong and they may take issue with it and outline some things. but if it were really an issue to them they would have sad something already considering the popularity of the shows.
cause both shows are humorous, they're not all in your face about certain topics. Its just there and sometimes part of an episode's plot. which I don't think many have issue with.
i've seen more people accuse Viv of being phobic or racist of some form due to something that wasn't an actual issue in each show, mroe than I have seen people complain about the subject matter.
just my personal take. either one of us could be right or wrong. I just wanted to provide an additional insight
and Zagra points out the Sally may thing. people are mad that its not just told to us, which if anything would make people dislike the show because its too forward and in your face, instead of letting you discover and learn on your own and accept what you discover.
Kinda glad i watched this video, i already knew there was alot of drama surrounding both shows let alone the people making them but i had no idea it went *THIS* deep, i don't think ill ever understand why people go too such lengths sometimes just too target a creator or fandom or just target something harmless in general... like what do they even get out of it? Attention? I especially hate when it negatively impacts real people's lives like with doxxing and stealing and such, thats just plain wrong.
The only other thing that gets too me is the shipping... i know its technically harmless but some of it is just downright disturbing, like why do i see a majority of people actively agree with ships like Octavia with Stolas? Or Blitzø and Moxxie with Loona? Most people realize these are horrible but it's practical normal in this fandom, which disturbs me not because it exists but because it almost insinuates what kind of people this show attracts... and honestly i don't wanna be a part of a fandom predominantly filled with people like that.
@ferret4111 The same reason why people ship Elsa and Anna, the pine twins, ect
We love you for always making these videos ayy lmao ❤
You spit the truth fr
So frustrating that people won't just wait, and companies are definitely getting pissed off. Like chill, animation isn't instant
Honestly I enjoy stolas content in helluva boss because he's very interesting in we get to learn more about the inner workings of the systems in hell. I also love getting to learn more about the backstories of IMP. The show would have faded away if they were all like the first and every episode was a new contract. Learning more about this world and the characters is great! Especially since we get to see areas we likely won't get to see in hazbin, as sinners(who we follow in hazbin) can't leave the pride ring. So we see less of pride since we will see a TON in hazbin. I think it's wonderful!
I mean, would it? Some of the most popular cartoon shows, from "Fairly OddParents" to "Phineas and Ferb", are about the same premise being repeated over and over in different ways and contexts. The problem with HB is that we only got, like, 2 episodes out of 9 of what is supposed to be the main premise of the show (not counting ep. 3 because the "killing commissions" aspect was just a background thing), 2 out of 12 if we also count S2. I don't think anybody has any issues with featuring Stolas-Blitzo episodes in itself (not anybody worth discussing with, at least), the problem is that's not what people mainly "signed up" for.
I'm not the world's biggest fan of Stolitz but isn't Helluva Boss the "Blitzo" show? Like he is the forefront protagonist so it's fair that the show has mainly explored him and all current aspects of his life, a lot of which being work and Stolas. It's okay to have a lot of Stolitz episodes because it is an important part of his character, sure they have gotten a bit repetitive which is my pet peeve with it, but at least it's only been a few.
From what we see in the pilot and 1st ep it seemed like a slice of life kind of show where there are multiple protagonists. But now the show feels like a teen fan fic with the amount of ships and angst.
It was pretty disappointing how inaccurate MatPat's theory was considering he presents himself as the guy who puts 110% into what he does.
Yea it's pretty bad but not every theory is a gem he does put 100 percent into everything even if the theory is wrong
@@rackracket8482 But he also said on GTLive that he'll let other people on his team do some of the research. If it happens to turn out wrong then, oh well, we made a mistake! Can't do nothing about it now!
He always seemed like the nerd that triple checks everything until it's right.
@@frankkennedy6388 he probably doesn't like it and just did it because it was popular and ppl kept recommending to do a theory on it
Mat pat: creates video abaout something
Fnaf fans: hate him
Hollow knight fans: are anoyed
Helluwa, Hazbin fans: are angry
And even creators like famous tobby fox ? How that channel is still alive?
Hmm I think with the art theft situation this may totally be a case of the artist who made the official pins unconsciously drawing from memories of art pieces they'd seen once or twice. This is an actual thing that happens to people when they will try and come up with something new--happens plenty with music lyrics and melodies--and for example the brain will supply some song a person heard once, but they don't remember it well enough to be aware that their idea isn't original. Especially with fanart and stuff, if Cal has a feed filled with fanart, a random piece they saw and enjoyed months ago may come back to them but without any context. (For example with the chibi pins, other than being in the same art style the only one that actually looks like the original art is Angel Dust.)
Or Cal is plagiarizing and helixD just sincerely doesn't believe they are, but either way, not really to do with Vivzie who probably has very little to do with the merch. That's a completely different department and any issues with the merch would likely have to cause a lot of drama to ever reach her awareness. Plagiarism issues are a problem for the merch department, producer (maybe), and the legal team anyways. The reality is that Vivzie shouldn't have to worry about or address that anyways, her job is as the showrunner (which already probably takes up her entire life). It's other people's jobs to deal with these issues.
The fact that Matpat put more effort into his film theory on 50 shades of grey than his theory about Hazbin hotel just rubs me the wrong way
No way bro called Mat Pat "corporate".
I was wondering why Scott Cawthon was on the thumbnail…man it really does suck that he retired
People can get so creepily obsessed with their pet ships, and sometimes they feel entitled to their ships becoming canon. I think many shows have been ruined by their creators giving in to the ships of a VERY vocal minority of fans, thinking that they're giving the fans (as a whole) what they want, even when those ships derail major themes and character development. So ship Alistair and Charlie if you want, but you've no right to complain if it becomes explicitly non-canon, because it was never canon in the first place and it's completely unrealistic to expect a show to keep every possible ship "open" while allowing character relationships to actually grow and evolve over time.
Respect your level of research. I didn’t know about a lot of these.
This comment section has just been an unending war between one guy worshipping the franchise and one dude who obsessively hates it and I don't think I've ever seen a more accurate description of internet fandom
The Rocky Rakoon drama with Spooky Month was absolute unforgetable hell and it's a jumpscare everytime I see it
I clicked on this video expecting it to be highly biased because of your profile picture showing you're a fan of the show, but I'm pleasantly surprised!
The fnaf community hate all theory’s not just matpat. Matpat made a great video talking about all the hate the theorist get in the fnaf community
There’s a lot of people out there that have let there own ego and emotions get to them bc they feel like there entitled to get the full credit so they have to create this drama to get attention clearly the one artist who claim that working with Viz was somewhat a toxic environment but last I check that individual had change her story created a new claim which it was out of desperation cause the attention was not interesting. This is how certain people we deal with almost everyday especially on Twitter and it really hurts a lot of independent creators out there of what this creation is meant to be. I love how your channel always breaks down the real facts and debunking some of these claim’s usually I don’t pay attention much to the drama unless something changes but yeah that’s how I see things especially how Twitter has been.
@@Featheryfaith7 oh no not viz it more of the one that was accusing her my bad on the confusion
@@Featheryfaith7 can you explain what you mean by that
@@Featheryfaith7 true I did see that but that’s one of the biggest issues I have with Twitter as well which is why I don’t have Twitter anymore.
@@Featheryfaith7 how am I being judgemental when I'm literally just asking what you meant by your comment? Are you dumb?
@@Featheryfaith7if you're suddenly surprised by gay characters or even LGBTQ+ characters in a franchise that from the beginning has shown them, that's on you for being oblivious 🤦🏼♀️. Charlie and Vaggie are lesbians, Blitz is Bi/Pan, Stolas is Bi, Moxie is bi, Alastor is Ace, Angel Dust has been Gay SINCE THE BEGINNING!
Also yeah hating people who use their religion as a sleeve to conceal and mask their near-prosecutionable levels of hate towards minority groups is a pretty reasonable take in the modern era. It's like saying "yeah I KNOW my faith teaches one thing, but I'm going to purposefully ignore that and twist whatever is said until it says what I want to hear so I can justify my heinous actions, and if for whatever reason people call me out on it, I can scream persecution and I'll be untouchable UwU" and expecting that people won't hate you for it
Tbh as an HB/HH fan, the whole fandom here is super toxic than the rest of the other fandoms…hell, I think I wanna like stay away of them otherwise I’ll get cancelled easily…😬
And I thought being a grass and lizard cult leader whould get me cancelled but nope it's twitter
@Spookypumpkin32 well yeah not all of the people of this fandom are not toxic, I have friends who have common sense are not toxic, but however we you have to be much careful, months ago I was almost get cancelled once that I’ve drew one of the HB characters as a soldier on Twitter which one of the famous Twitter HB artist fan is trying to cancel me that I drew but didn’t go well but it’s a close call…☹️
Its more toxic then bronies, Sonic, FNAF, and many other toxic fandoms?
I'm legit surprised, I know it's hell and all, but damn
@@NocturneJester maybe experience?
From my experience it's not toxic more braindead. The amount of dumb and ignorant takes I've seen are insane
Matpat said heckuva boss as a joke
I don't understand why people do anything they do. Especially hating and creating drama over something that is supposed to just be harmless fun.
As someone who loves FNAF, it is very intresting to see Vivziepop's opinion on that situation.
3:25 children? He had a warning at the beginning and it was age restricted and just because someone got your fandom wrong you don’t need to attack people for no reason
I remember the second Fnaf drama, the one about donations differently .
Before or after Scott was doxed, Vivzie gave her opinion about donations, She wrote some stuff there that triggered everything but I guess she deleted that after not only fnaf fandom but other people disagreed with her.
Generally I remember that people even outside fnaf fandom, even on youtube disagreed, there was abunch of videos on her.
--UPDATE--
Now I remember some stuff that was deleted or not mentioned . Vivzie was the one finding these donations, posting them and bringing attention to them
No one cared but she started it
The other things, I can't remember them exactly right now
There was something about demanding that Scott should take responsibility for his actions, etc and talking about doxxing in positive light, I think. With the doxxing I hope I remember that wrong.
Also its funny, but Scott donated both to Christian and lgbtq parties but she and others didn't mention that
Just so you know matpat called it heck of a boss because he tries not to swear.
gotta keep that green dollar sign y'know 💸💸💸
The pins look similar, until you start to stare. Then you see hair, glasses, eyes, head shape, etc all are different in their own ways.
Wait... there was a controversy between Scott Cawthon and Vivziepop?! I Would never guessed it
@@Featheryfaith7 me when i spread misinformation online
@@Featheryfaith7 ah don't we all lmao
haven't opened twitter in months
It's less viv Vs Scott and more hazbin hotel fandom Vs fnaf fandom, to which I love both franchises
@@Featheryfaith7 I feel like hiring fans willy-nilly would be disastrous, but I see your point
@@Featheryfaith7 Lmao it's cute you talk about emotions and beinh neutral yet all your comments say the complete opposite you hypocrite.
As a FNAF fan and somewhat a hazbin/ helluva fan I hate to see these two collide with each other and I was super upset that it ended in Scott leaving for a while glad he's back though.
There's only one TH-camr who's critiques and redesigns are from LovesArt23. She also has her own OC in the Helluva- verse. She goes into great detail on her redesigns, and look incredible.
got a flashback of castle crashers from the background music which i wasn’t expecting , great video btw !!
8:43 A part of my dignity died knowing that Zamination is now known as the content farm family-friendly channel instead of the music videos they did before; god they fallen off so hard
Needless to say, as a fan of both HH/HB and FNaF, I learned a bit about these two fandoms', uh... history with each other. I knew about the Viv/Scott Cawthon drama beforehand, but the whole HH wiki raid was news to me. I would like to apologize on behalf of the FNaF fandom for that incident. I think it goes without saying that FNaF has quite a huge following of immature children, as do many franchises. Anyways, great job on this video, it's always nice to learn new internet lore.
Agreed it is
The only ships in helluva boss I have a problem with is stovia since that's disgusting and the ship between Stella and stolas since season 1 episode 5 showed Stella talking to striker and saying that she wants him dead plus season 2 episode 1 revealed that Stella was abusive and was always awful so she's was never the victim and therefore she deserved to be cheated on (if I see any toxic stella simps call me sexist you should know I have a family member who has been a victim of cheating and she did the right thing by divorcing her husband so your use of the word sexist wouldn't work).
So Scary fact about Zamnation they basically did what rocky did but on separate accounts as they put basically the same exact clips in different orders on their brothers account Enchantedmob as well as harassed a kid so bad he was sent to a mental hospital
My god that's horrible.... 😢 that's a crime....
I unironically cringed when I saw Luna and Moxxie kissing in that fan art
17:23 lmao I don't know why but the whole "He looks like he belongs in a Hazbin roleplay wiki" remark is hilarious 🤣 I choked on my soda
I don’t understand why haters obsess over a show, instead of just watching shows they actually do like
I just hope that Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss don't end up like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones did.
Why are people annoyed about him calling it heck ? He does it with every time hell comes up and is literally just censoring(however I believe he didn’t still put enough research into this show)
3:16 I think it’s because he’s family friendly
this video absolutely proves that fandoms are usually very toxic. I don't know why, but they just are.
And also he said that imp are threats cause they kill a lot of people that end up in hell
15:41 redesign videos are so toxic, especially when people do it to characters who don't belong to huge corporations like disney or illumination etc.
as fnaf fan i'm sorry for what the fnaf community did to hazbin hotel in the past
24:35 I cannot say I am proud for both recognizing the art style, and knowing who Jizoku is.. and what they post
Very good video my friend. Glad I don't need to dredge around looking at twitter posts by crazed lunatics because you do it for me hahaha
I LOVE WHAT U DO!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Edit:OMG!! THANK U SO MUCH FOR THE HEART REACT!! It really warms my heart to feel appreciated for appreciating others❤️❤️
People have way too much time on their hands to be hating on a great show! Jealous. To all the haters ... Where's there big cartoon show, after all?!
People when theories are theories 😱
Hi ayy is me kiki, love what you did to this iceberg vid ❤
One point about the voice actors changes as well - cast changes between the pilot and the official release of a show literally happen all the time. I wasn't exactly happy that they changed but it came as absolutely no surprise to me at all and I'm not sure why it did to so many people. It's happened with so many shows and will happen with others in the future, I may love the original VAs but it's not rare at all and I believe the team will be true to their characters and pick the right actors in the future.
I like the second Vaggie redesign it feels different enough to stand on its own, and isn't just a minor edit. I love the different color palette, I'm a sucker for cooler colors. Sue me.
I think the main issue is people falling in love with characters that weren’t fully developed or finalized and building their own lore and ideas of who they are. Now that those characters are actually be fleshed out more they’re offended their ideas weren’t canon. I understand Viv wanted to create support for her art by creating the pilot way before the show officially released but I think that’s where a lot of these issues stem from. That being said, there is no excuse for the fan base to act as they do, though it’s likely several are literal children.
I don't really like these redesign videos, idk, sometimes people who do them are really nitpicky. Don't get me wrong, they are very talented, and I'm sure that there are creators out there who do it genuinely for fun, it's just that I've seen a lot of toxic ones, unfortunately.
how to deal with this
step 1: ignore fandom
congrats your now happy enjoy
16:52 That's not Alastor, that's Alfred.
"The heart of a fool is in his mouth, but the mouth of a wise man is in his heart." -Ben Franklin
3:17 That's probably just because of TH-cam being... TH-cam.
I wish someone would take Disney to court because they "ripped" off fan art of Chip and Dale.
Idk why but I love that recently in all videos I watching,I hear UNDERTALE songs in background XD In anyway,thanks for great video^^
Being a fan of FNaF and these series, I had no idea about all the drama with these two things. I don't understand why people would raid the wikis of all things, also say what you will on disagreeing with Scott's political opinion, myself leaning more towards the right, but not bashing others for their opinions, but fuck the people doxxing both Scott and Vivzie for that, that shit needs to never happen, as people can be hurt or killed. Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean you need to go and send death threats or shit like that.
I hope we can have more people thrive in connecting our communities in some way, as no matter what, we are just people who love a thing, and want to share that thing and care about it.
Keep up the great work ayy!
I am also fans of fnaf and HB but I think some of the fans are too toxic and mean
@@ianne012 oh yeah, that sadly seems like every community, furries, anime peeps, etc, there will be that toxic minority that makes their voice be like the majority and ruin the fandom and community as is.
It's been so long since the pilot episode of Hazbin Hotel was uploaded that I legitimately believed that the series was postponed indefinitely due to the public’s perforation of Helluva Boss...
I feel like its a little unfair to use tweets that are from people who clearly just hate gametheory in general as examples when I'm sure there's a lot of actual critical tweets that aren't just "matpat bad." I know there was the one that says they like his content generally, but even that one doesn't say anything specific about why it was bad
In terms of “fixing” the characters, I feel like a lot of those people don’t seem to realize that there is a line between “redesigning and fixing the flaws of a character” vs “just making a new fucking character and ignoring all the reasons that character might’ve had those aspects”
12:29 That ban message was extremely immature. So just because I'm a furry, due to the fact that I can't draw humans, that means I can't feel uncomfortable about something? Good to know I'm not allowed to feel my feelings, and I have to bottle up all of my negative emotions, I guess. They probably think all goths are depressed too if they're this hateful over what subculture somebody falls under.
I thought it was funny that in tier three out of nowhere he shows battle block theater footage with no context
The fact that MatPat made me associate wholesome owl boy Stolas to the bald egghead twist villain of Dragon Age Inquisition should be a punishable offense
Thank you for all you do👏