I also really appreciate how in the 40's version, it was the second time that Pinnochio ran into honest John. He wasn't exactly tricked, because he kept telling them how he should go back home, as opposed to the first time he ran into them where he was taken in by their charisma cause he was literally born yesterday. If anything, they kinda swept him up and made a fake diagnosis, and Pinnochio kinda goes along with it cause he didn't know any better. And by the time he's with the other kids and lampwick he kinda gets swept up in the moment. I appreciate that character development.
Pinocchio said no to going to pleasure island in the original and honest john and gideon just yanked him as a hostage - pretty much the whole "dead men tell no tales" charade.
I always find it interresting that generally the main thinking behind a live-action remake is to make it more adult, but the animated original version always ends up feeling more adult.
Note that wicked grin on the Coachman's face as he overhears Lampwick. He, (the Coachman) knows what's in store for Pinocchio, Lampwick, and all those other boys.
There's also the fact that he's whipping donkeys that are driving his cart . It doesn't seem like much until you realise those donkeys may well be the children from another trip that didn't completely change . He gives a sadistic grin as he does it ,as if to say to the donkeys " This is what those boys are going to get , mark my words ".
The 2022 Pinocchio was more relateable when he didn't feel comfortable partaking in the destructive behavior in Pleasure Island, which is exactly how I would feel.
I'd further add to this by saying that Aladdin (1992) is 90 minutes long while Aladdin (2019) is 128 minutes long, 38 minutes longer. This movie like Aladdin adds new characters, a major character gets their own song, provides backstories on major characters, edits some things not suitable for today's audience, and has its own originality. Pinocchio (2022) is 17 minutes longer than the original, but it needed to go on just a bit longer to further to provide a coherent narrative for some scenes, have characters like Honest John, Gideon (who were fabulous) and the Blue Fairy return again, and have the Coachman receive comeuppance. This movie feels a bit rushed and if I was a test audience member I would not accept this as the final product; it's if a runtime of 105 minutes was the absolute maximum runtime. I'm giving this movie a 7/10, but I was very close to calling it bad. The Coachman's song, Luke Evans' performance, Pleasure Island, and the ending are what saved it for me.
2022 should have included the donkeys wailing for their mothers and perhaps the Coachman making a monologue like "Now you want Mummy? Now after binging on candy and root beer? Shoplifting? Vandalising? Cursing? And now you suddenly want your mummies and daddies to take you home? Well that's not how it works on Pleasure Island! You little buggers belong to me now and soon to these who pay me solid dough for your innocent naughtiness! You little bounders had your fun! So now you're gonna pay for it, like your new owners will pay me!" And he cackles evilly as the donkeys continue to sob, beg and bray as they continue to be loaded.
If you ask me? They even botched Lampwick's transformation sequence. Though they did add *one* element that makes thing a touch more horrifying. Boys *and* girls can go to the island. This means they'll have jacks *and* jennies. ... You can't tell me that a donkey breeding program isn't off the table in this version. I really like your comparison video.
For people saying that the kids aren't misbehaving by shoplifting and breaking clocks because there is a place made specifically for shoplifting and breaking clocks is part of the game, therefore the kids are being punished for essentially having fun/being kids. The message is NOT that eating candy, drinking root beer, going to amusement park rides and doing fun things which are part of the game is bad. Pleasure Island's message is that kids need to be aware that things which are too good to be true are a scam/probably false and if they're gullible enough will believe to be real. If they're not careful bad things can happen -- not turn into a donkey or anything like that, but still bad things can happen or it's not what they thought it was. The kids only learned about it either from flyers or from a COMPLETE STRANGER, not from anybody they know who has actually been there and experienced it. If Pleasure Island is such a wonderful place for kids to go to and so close to home then why haven’t these kids heard of it before? Parents would see an exotic Disneyland or Disneyworld like place (essentially in their own backyard which they probably never heard of before) with no rules or adults where kids can have all the candy and root beer they want, and has places where shoplifting, stealing things from each other, vandalizing schools, breaking clocks, insulting each other, and play with firecrackers is legal and can do it at will is very fishy, but the kids won't think this is fishy and if they don't suspect anything fishy bad things can happen to them. Even in the original, Jiminy finds the place to be phony and wants to get Pinocchio off the island. The saying "stupid little boys" doesn't necessarily mean they're misbehaving little boys, but they're very Very Gullible. In real life there have been children or people in their late teens-early 20s have been lured to someone or into their house for reasons which are not wrong, they are duped and killed. One example being John Wayne Gacy. Don't talk to, go anywhere with, or take anything from a stranger. As for why Pinocchio doesn't become real on Pleasure Island, it's because he's still in some ways misguided by temptation and only after he declines to go with Fabiana and Sabina as part of their show in order to find his father do his donkey ears and tail disappear. When he finds his father and they get eaten by Monstro, Pinocchio devises a plan to get out and afterwards he pretty much becomes real as he's proven himself to be brave, truthful and unselfish.
That is a good point . Tho it does need better writing and execution at least to me, like maybe show the coachman in the background with a girl or boy, showing them a flyer, that way it can make more sense on why there is a flyer. better yet show a scene between lampwick and the coachman, and shows how they worked together, maybe add honest John try to talk to pinocchio, using his gaslighting skills and manipulation. I didn't watch the movie yet tho.
@@janeannpenaverde1767 I agree with you on these points. I think the people behind the movie did this to set the tone of Pleasure Island being all fun, the Coachman is a mysterious character you whom you don’t know his true intentions, and then you suddenly find out he’s an evil man and Pleasure Island has a sinister purpose, instead of in the original where you learn during the meeting between him and Honest John that Pleasure Island is a place where boys never return as boys but you don’t know why exactly that is until they turn into donkeys.
1: I think the original point is "do not ruin your future by having a wild youth." You could argue that college students falling to the Greek life and ending expelled have a similar fate (just replace salt mines by low wage jobs). 2: I think it refers more to grooming into sex work / gang membership. You could also make parallels with satires on army recruitment. 3: "The gift of fear" makes a point that "stranger danger" is preventing kids to ask for help.
Wow, it's quite amazing how much of the subtlety was erased in order to create this schloky non-sense. Makes sense, apparently this film was only made so that Disney could maintain it's copyright on Pinocchio and it shows.
Lmao Pleasure Island in 2022 is above and across that island from their hometown, that’s very suspicious at all lmao! In the 1940’s it was hidden in cave . Looks like the remake director wasn’t thinking at all and really ruined everything
And also how does Gepetto know about it in the remake? It’s just that easy to go to now? If you can just ride a boat there, then why does the Coachman need to round anyone up at that point?
Yeah, in the 1940 version, they have to ride the coach for quite some time to get to the boat, then ride the boat for a while as well. It’s pretty far away.
The lesson learned here is never trust strangers when they say they're going to take you to a place you will never want to leave, much less accept rides from strangers as Pinocchio, Lampwick, and all those other boys did.
I knew I wasn’t the only one. Pleasure Island was my favorite part of Pinocchio (1941). It did an excellent job of showing the message of having fun and being risky. It can be fun but too much of it can lead to big issues. In Pinocchio (2022), Pleasure Island is easily the weakest. The big problem is that Pinocchio knew Pleasure Island was untrustworthy, which in result, fail to develop him as a character. To be honest, the movie could have scrapped this part and the movie wouldn’t change much. Since Pinocchio already knows what right and wrong, what’s the point of going to the island to learn a lesson that he already knows. I know it’s a hot take, but it felt like a waste of time.
3:27 Even before seeing this movie l knew that nothing was/is free even if you're told, when someone tells you something is free 9 times out of 10 completely untrue.
This Coachman is WAY better than his animated counterpart! Plus, Luke Evans is my favourite actor. It seems that the Enchantress had turn Gaston into another Disney Villain!
The entire Pleasure Island scene in the remake is the perfect example of everything wrong with the remake. It’s uninspired. It’s toned down. It’s pandering. It talks down to its audience like they’re stupid. It’s badly animated. Our protagonist doesn’t make any mistakes or have any consequences for his bad decisions, making his character completely bland and stale. Jiminy has no purpose in this film other than to be there for fan service. And most importantly, the storytelling is completely off.
I didn’t think the animations and visuals were bad; Pinocchio does make a mistake after being kicked out of school by not going back home and having Geppetto confront the headmaster and by deciding to become famous despite Jiminy telling him a few minutes ago not to. He also lies to get himself out of trouble instead of admitting his wrongdoings.
I think Spider-Man and the Avengers would go in fight all the coachmen's goons then Tom Holland Spider-Man be all like "it's too late I already called shield they'll be here any minute. With the local authorities to pull the plug on your little operation." But the Coachman would reply with "YOU WON'T TAKE ME." then he disappear in a cloud of smoke and escape through the balcony and reply with "hahaha you haven't seen the last of me." Just then Nick Furry and Colson would show up the Coachman escape his minions where defeated and with Dr. Strange's help all the donkeys where turned back into kids with shields help all the kids where reunited with there families as for the Coachman himself shield sent in Leo and Jema from Colson's division track down and capture Coachman there the best Agents Shield has they need to be if there going him.
Listening to the voices between both versions… Honestly, I feel bad for the child actors playing the characters in the remake. The dialogue sounds so unnatural and forced, which hurts because they’re obviously trying their hardest.
Pleasure island is my absolute favorite story in pinnochio. Even though I didn't care for this PC remake, I will give robert zemeckis credit. This pleasure island looks so friggin amazing! Too bad they had to replace the beer, cigars and fight clubs with harmless root beer. Pinnochio even had to be a goddamn party pooper. But in the 1940's Being bad is a lot of fun! smh 😅
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I also really appreciate how in the 40's version, it was the second time that Pinnochio ran into honest John. He wasn't exactly tricked, because he kept telling them how he should go back home, as opposed to the first time he ran into them where he was taken in by their charisma cause he was literally born yesterday. If anything, they kinda swept him up and made a fake diagnosis, and Pinnochio kinda goes along with it cause he didn't know any better. And by the time he's with the other kids and lampwick he kinda gets swept up in the moment. I appreciate that character development.
Pinocchio said no to going to pleasure island in the original and honest john and gideon just yanked him as a hostage - pretty much the whole "dead men tell no tales" charade.
I always find it interresting that generally the main thinking behind a live-action remake is to make it more adult, but the animated original version always ends up feeling more adult.
Note that wicked grin on the Coachman's face as he overhears Lampwick. He, (the Coachman) knows what's in store for Pinocchio, Lampwick, and all those other boys.
There's also the fact that he's whipping donkeys that are driving his cart . It doesn't seem like much until you realise those donkeys may well be the children from another trip that didn't completely change . He gives a sadistic grin as he does it ,as if to say to the donkeys " This is what those boys are going to get , mark my words ".
@@28098610wHe doesn’t actually whip them, funnily enough. He just cracks the whip.
The 2022 Pinocchio was more relateable when he didn't feel comfortable partaking in the destructive behavior in Pleasure Island, which is exactly how I would feel.
It's amazing how the 80-some minute movie has way better pacing than the one that's nearly two hours long.
I'd further add to this by saying that Aladdin (1992) is 90 minutes long while Aladdin (2019) is 128 minutes long, 38 minutes longer. This movie like Aladdin adds new characters, a major character gets their own song, provides backstories on major characters, edits some things not suitable for today's audience, and has its own originality. Pinocchio (2022) is 17 minutes longer than the original, but it needed to go on just a bit longer to further to provide a coherent narrative for some scenes, have characters like Honest John, Gideon (who were fabulous) and the Blue Fairy return again, and have the Coachman receive comeuppance.
This movie feels a bit rushed and if I was a test audience member I would not accept this as the final product; it's if a runtime of 105 minutes was the absolute maximum runtime.
I'm giving this movie a 7/10, but I was very close to calling it bad. The Coachman's song, Luke Evans' performance, Pleasure Island, and the ending are what saved it for me.
2022 should have included the donkeys wailing for their mothers and perhaps the Coachman making a monologue like "Now you want Mummy? Now after binging on candy and root beer? Shoplifting? Vandalising? Cursing? And now you suddenly want your mummies and daddies to take you home? Well that's not how it works on Pleasure Island! You little buggers belong to me now and soon to these who pay me solid dough for your innocent naughtiness! You little bounders had your fun! So now you're gonna pay for it, like your new owners will pay me!" And he cackles evilly as the donkeys continue to sob, beg and bray as they continue to be loaded.
I wish that line was in there
Lampwick last word was just that,but in this version is totally a bray.
@@sionworld9662 A reprise of “The Coachman to Pleasure Island,” too?
1940's Pleasure Island = Free Beer and Free Cigarettes for Bad Boys
2022's Pleasure Island = Doing Bad Things for Naughty Children
If you ask me? They even botched Lampwick's transformation sequence.
Though they did add *one* element that makes thing a touch more horrifying.
Boys *and* girls can go to the island. This means they'll have jacks *and* jennies.
... You can't tell me that a donkey breeding program isn't off the table in this version.
I really like your comparison video.
Hold up
@@KCandFriendsUSA yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah...
Damn…
@@KCandFriendsUSA i know, right?
For people saying that the kids aren't misbehaving by shoplifting and breaking clocks because there is a place made specifically for shoplifting and breaking clocks is part of the game, therefore the kids are being punished for essentially having fun/being kids. The message is NOT that eating candy, drinking root beer, going to amusement park rides and doing fun things which are part of the game is bad.
Pleasure Island's message is that kids need to be aware that things which are too good to be true are a scam/probably false and if they're gullible enough will believe to be real. If they're not careful bad things can happen -- not turn into a donkey or anything like that, but still bad things can happen or it's not what they thought it was. The kids only learned about it either from flyers or from a COMPLETE STRANGER, not from anybody they know who has actually been there and experienced it. If Pleasure Island is such a wonderful place for kids to go to and so close to home then why haven’t these kids heard of it before?
Parents would see an exotic Disneyland or Disneyworld like place (essentially in their own backyard which they probably never heard of before) with no rules or adults where kids can have all the candy and root beer they want, and has places where shoplifting, stealing things from each other, vandalizing schools, breaking clocks, insulting each other, and play with firecrackers is legal and can do it at will is very fishy, but the kids won't think this is fishy and if they don't suspect anything fishy bad things can happen to them. Even in the original, Jiminy finds the place to be phony and wants to get Pinocchio off the island.
The saying "stupid little boys" doesn't necessarily mean they're misbehaving little boys, but they're very Very Gullible.
In real life there have been children or people in their late teens-early 20s have been lured to someone or into their house for reasons which are not wrong, they are duped and killed. One example being John Wayne Gacy.
Don't talk to, go anywhere with, or take anything from a stranger.
As for why Pinocchio doesn't become real on Pleasure Island, it's because he's still in some ways misguided by temptation and only after he declines to go with Fabiana and Sabina as part of their show in order to find his father do his donkey ears and tail disappear. When he finds his father and they get eaten by Monstro, Pinocchio devises a plan to get out and afterwards he pretty much becomes real as he's proven himself to be brave, truthful and unselfish.
That is a good point . Tho it does need better writing and execution at least to me, like maybe show the coachman in the background with a girl or boy, showing them a flyer, that way it can make more sense on why there is a flyer. better yet show a scene between lampwick and the coachman, and shows how they worked together, maybe add honest John try to talk to pinocchio, using his gaslighting skills and manipulation. I didn't watch the movie yet tho.
@@janeannpenaverde1767 I agree with you on these points. I think the people behind the movie did this to set the tone of Pleasure Island being all fun, the Coachman is a mysterious character you whom you don’t know his true intentions, and then you suddenly find out he’s an evil man and Pleasure Island has a sinister purpose, instead of in the original where you learn during the meeting between him and Honest John that Pleasure Island is a place where boys never return as boys but you don’t know why exactly that is until they turn into donkeys.
1: I think the original point is "do not ruin your future by having a wild youth." You could argue that college students falling to the Greek life and ending expelled have a similar fate (just replace salt mines by low wage jobs).
2: I think it refers more to grooming into sex work / gang membership. You could also make parallels with satires on army recruitment.
3: "The gift of fear" makes a point that "stranger danger" is preventing kids to ask for help.
Wow, it's quite amazing how much of the subtlety was erased in order to create this schloky non-sense. Makes sense, apparently this film was only made so that Disney could maintain it's copyright on Pinocchio and it shows.
2:36 Honest John and Gideon didn't shown in town for a second time, only Lampwick used a net to catch Pinocchio to get on the coach
Lmao Pleasure Island in 2022 is above and across that island from their hometown, that’s very suspicious at all lmao!
In the 1940’s it was hidden in cave .
Looks like the remake director wasn’t thinking at all and really ruined everything
And also how does Gepetto know about it in the remake? It’s just that easy to go to now?
If you can just ride a boat there, then why does the Coachman need to round anyone up at that point?
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 But Geppetto never reaches Pleasure Island in both the original and the remake
Yeah, in the 1940 version, they have to ride the coach for quite some time to get to the boat, then ride the boat for a while as well. It’s pretty far away.
Bad joke with the 2022 Coachman: Let me guess, a pirate that looks like Gaston LeGume killed the old Coachman and took his place?
Luke Evans
Did you know he's a singer?
@@Shojo-SkipSchmandy_the_HottieDidn't know the singer part of it
@@broden4838 Look up one of his albums!
The lesson learned here is never trust strangers when they say they're going to take you to a place you will never want to leave, much less accept rides from strangers as Pinocchio, Lampwick, and all those other boys did.
I knew I wasn’t the only one. Pleasure Island was my favorite part of Pinocchio (1941). It did an excellent job of showing the message of having fun and being risky. It can be fun but too much of it can lead to big issues. In Pinocchio (2022), Pleasure Island is easily the weakest. The big problem is that Pinocchio knew Pleasure Island was untrustworthy, which in result, fail to develop him as a character. To be honest, the movie could have scrapped this part and the movie wouldn’t change much. Since Pinocchio already knows what right and wrong, what’s the point of going to the island to learn a lesson that he already knows. I know it’s a hot take, but it felt like a waste of time.
The movies are written by studio executives now. They don't care if it makes sense.
Well then why didn’t you direct this movie?
Oringial: free beer, free drugs
Remake : free root beer free rides
3:27 Even before seeing this movie l knew that nothing was/is free even if you're told, when someone tells you something is free 9 times out of 10 completely untrue.
There is no free lunch, somebody always pay.
7:16 THAT'S where I learned the "behind the back" trick when I play pool!!
I would make sure everything in the 1940 version was in this, and make the donkeys more terrifying
“With a sticky wickey of a boy joy”
When you realise that the worst nightmares are actually true!
This Coachman is WAY better than his animated counterpart! Plus, Luke Evans is my favourite actor. It seems that the Enchantress had turn Gaston into another Disney Villain!
2:02 poor pinocchio
The entire Pleasure Island scene in the remake is the perfect example of everything wrong with the remake.
It’s uninspired.
It’s toned down.
It’s pandering.
It talks down to its audience like they’re stupid.
It’s badly animated.
Our protagonist doesn’t make any mistakes or have any consequences for his bad decisions, making his character completely bland and stale.
Jiminy has no purpose in this film other than to be there for fan service.
And most importantly, the storytelling is completely off.
I didn’t think the animations and visuals were bad; Pinocchio does make a mistake after being kicked out of school by not going back home and having Geppetto confront the headmaster and by deciding to become famous despite Jiminy telling him a few minutes ago not to. He also lies to get himself out of trouble instead of admitting his wrongdoings.
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rw:when i saw a clip of the live action film ,where Jiminy finds out all the boys are donkeys i saw real Heartlesses from KINGDOM HEARTS! 😨
That 2022 Coachman looks a bit like Lorenzini, at least similar charisma.
Luke Evans
Wheres the part where Pinocchio catches some guy cruising at mannaquins?
Yeah, i remember the scene where Limpwick & Pinocchio BOTH got Donkey ears AND a tail.
You forgot to do the last 2 Chapters to comparison both Pinocchio 1940 and 2022, Chapter 5: "The Transformation" and Chapter 6: "The Escape".
Jesus, the original kicks the remake down the stairs and takes its lunch money…
What's the song that played at the beginning?
The intro is from the TH-cam Audio Library called Just Us League. Here's the link to it.
th-cam.com/video/lL0y4H780W0/w-d-xo.html
The song that plays afterwards, where it reads "what's up TH-cam"
@@richclarkson8917 ah. Monkeys spinning monkeys by Kevin macleod
Children are gangsters
JIMINY: Hold On!
I think Spider-Man and the Avengers would go in fight all the coachmen's goons then Tom Holland Spider-Man be all like "it's too late I already called shield they'll be here any minute. With the local authorities to pull the plug on your little operation." But the Coachman would reply with "YOU WON'T TAKE ME." then he disappear in a cloud of smoke and escape through the balcony and reply with "hahaha you haven't seen the last of me." Just then Nick Furry and Colson would show up the Coachman escape his minions where defeated and with Dr. Strange's help all the donkeys where turned back into kids with shields help all the kids where reunited with there families as for the Coachman himself shield sent in Leo and Jema from Colson's division track down and capture Coachman there the best Agents Shield has they need to be if there going him.
Too bad Luke Evans’ Coachman didn’t even say “THEY NEVER COME BACK AS BOYS!!!!” or “QUIET! YOU BOYS HAVE HAD YOUR FUN! Now pay for IT!!”
I agree that’s stupid,
The original 1940 is better.
J’aime les deux
Where's doctor Strange when you need him.
2:27 too bad Honest John didn’t have any dealings with Coachman in the remake.
0:36
Listening to the voices between both versions…
Honestly, I feel bad for the child actors playing the characters in the remake. The dialogue sounds so unnatural and forced, which hurts because they’re obviously trying their hardest.
2022 Pinocchio is so cringe
Pleasure island is my absolute favorite story in pinnochio. Even though I didn't care for this PC remake, I will give robert zemeckis credit. This pleasure island looks so friggin amazing!
Too bad they had to replace the beer, cigars and fight clubs with harmless root beer. Pinnochio even had to be a goddamn party pooper. But in the 1940's Being bad is a lot of fun! smh 😅